Micro 834 : Vanilla 8-Ball : Game Over

[Gamma Emerald]

Hello all. To those on mafBlack, maybe try to branch out, to everyone else, what up suckers.

VOTE: Jingle
Bell and ball are 1 letter off, so you’re probably mafia

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If no lynch includes a deadline no lynch I’d consider it
Towns are notoriously slow these days

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VOTE: Saudade best vote, everyone join this

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Cant believe these suckers haven't realised this is a hidden bastard game yet.

Oops, this was meant for the mod chat

...my head hurts.

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Who is viví btw

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I didn’t know the original black mage had a name

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Gamma are you going to play with me or will you come back at page 10 to unvote me and hammer mafia

Why can’t I do both? Also what do you mean by play with you?

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I'm sorry that I suck

I just don't check ms regularly and missed the pm about accelerating the game

We are now destined to be mortal enemies!

(It's cool. I suggest accelerated nights to pretty much every mod in every game I play as an option and they almost never actually happen, so I'm used to it. I just personally find night phases super boring and never want them to last the full 48 hours.)

Honestly night 0 for this shouldn’t have been so long

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No lynching D1 is bad for town (Actually, no lynching purposefully on any day is bad for town), regardless of whether the 8 ball is on No Lynch. No if's and's or but's about it. I can explain why if necessary, but I think the reason is obvious enough that you as the setup creator can be assumed to have seen it. Your pushing of that particular strategy is inherently scummy.

In hindsight, maybe not so obvious.

No lynching is always bad for town in this setup.

In the case where scum chose No Lynch as the 8 Ball, it's a free shot for scum.
In the case where scum didn't choose No Lynch as the 8 Ball, it lets them change the 8 Ball. They inherently have more information at this point in the game, meaning they can choose a player who is likely to be lynched.

Both cases are proscum, so No Lynch isn't a real option.

Thought the 8 ball couldn’t be changed until the original is lynched

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Btw mafia has full daytalk
Curious if anyone’s theorizing could townclear them early

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About what
I just quintuple posted, I’ll need more than that

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Thought the 8 ball couldn’t be changed until the original is lynched

Changed after every lynch.

Btw mafia has full daytalk
Curious if anyone’s theorizing could townclear them early

Interesting angle. Have you come to any conclusions about it?

Not yet, currently stuck in a TvTropes Tab Explosion

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Okay I’m not at a concert/movie so I’m going to look at the thing I talked about

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Relly's setup spec has been wrong

this has literally always been true about every bit of setup spec I have done, I think
I can provide examples (two schadd games come to mind) but the most relevant one is:

In retrospect, based on your and nsg's responses to me, this question I posted in my original Setup Idea post was idiotic:

Perhaps more importantly, would scum actually use their 8-ball, or would it reveal too much information to town to be worth it?

Of course scum want to lynch their 8-ball, it helps them win twice as fast/takes away a lynch, etc.

But I didn't think it through, I just had the idea and posted it so others could figure it out for me
Unless you think my long game is "I have a setup I have thought through completely and know is

so good

tw will run it, but I'll pretend to be dumb so that

if I roll scum

in the game based on my setup, I can play dumb to

get setup spec from Jingle

who will presumably sign up for the game" then the simpler answer is I'm bad at setup spec and let others do it for me

But I *did* think through how bringing forward a setup idea would get people talking and voting quicker, so I did that

While reading back I hit upon this
I agree with Relly, if he’s scum playing dumb is not part of his plan

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so I could discuss my extensive scum strategies with my partner in crime =]

Ok so this was the only post connecting the unskipped night to talking with buddies
I feel like this joke could be made even with daychat and as such isn’t clearing
I would have cleared someone if they used serious spec based on that idea to accuse someone or make theories
Obv not doing that anymore as the thought process is out there

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Busy as hell today, probably no real contribution til tomorrow.

Would like GE to elaborate on 144 and 145 if possible.

144: given Relly created he setup idea I’d believe any questions to be genuine. So they’re not playing dumb, making playing dumb not his plan. That was poorly written out earlier as I wrote it on the fly without fully sequencing the logic behind it.
145: Mafia has daychat, but some might not realize. I wanted to see if anyone tried to connect the long night to no daychat so I could give them townpoints. The only person to do it was Saudade, in a joke post which I feel scum could still make.

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I think every time someone gave me any townpoints whatsoever it was followed by "...BUT hes not out of his scum range"

Where everyone were saying this newbie is way out of his scum range, but it wasn't so, for I was scum within his scum range!

Hm I wonder why...
When you roll people as scum, they distrust you. Simple fact.

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Also, in case that the player who hasn't posted is scum, getting serious without them posting gives them some space to make effortless content when he/she arrives.

for the record, i disagree with this pretty strongly and have historically actually had very decent success catching scum who have an awkward time being serious coming into the thread when rvs is already over

anyone can joke around in rvs green or red role pm and it's basically indistinguishable, when you start getting serious is when you can start noticing tells.

Do it’s not RVS or the serious stage that is best to analyze but the transitional period?

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as a sidenote, given that mafia has full daytalk, this setup doesn't actually

need

night phases: you could simply have it where the scumteam decides the next 8-ball while the current day is going on.

perhaps runs into issues considering a possible deadline scramble where they're unsure as to who gets lynched, but i imagine they could always have conditional instructions.

There’s a style called instantaneous night that resolves night once all actions are in
I myself advocated for the night 0 only to be shortened

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Weekend weak post
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Will answer other posts directly later

[Gamma Emerald]

Busy as hell today, probably no real contribution til tomorrow.

Would like GE to elaborate on 144 and 145 if possible.

144: given Relly created he setup idea I’d believe any questions to be genuine. So they’re not playing dumb, making playing dumb not his plan. That was poorly written out earlier as I wrote it on the fly without fully sequencing the logic behind it.
145: Mafia has daychat, but some might not realize. I wanted to see if anyone tried to connect the long night to no daychat so I could give them townpoints. The only person to do it was Saudade, in a joke post which I feel scum could still make.

Mine was apparently equally poorly written. I understood both of your original posts. I wanted to know if there was any other information you'd gleaned/thought could be gleaned from said posts.

Reading back just now after having figured this out through a solid few minutes of ogling over it, I do have one thing I want to know.
Relly, what's your Jingle read right now?

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You...are like an infant. Take that any way that you will.

Lemme try to break this into bite size pieces

Sorry. Let me try that one more time.

144: You say that Relly is not playing dumb, and that his plan isn't to play dumb as scum. Have you drawn any AI conclusions from that? Does it make you think Relly is town, or clueless scum, or what?

I don't have any conclusions yet but something in that post provoked me to ask the question I just asked. I was basically being a Yesman to Relly at first.

145: You say that the confirmed daychat means some people might be town based on speculation. Why?

Because I felt like if there was earnest speculation with that wrong idea it could be concluded that they were truly uninformed.

Why is Saudade's post not AI?

Because he's a troll and I could see him posting that as scum with daychat.

What about FA (The other person to admit to not voting to end night early)? Does it mean anything wrt anyone else?

It doesn't mean anything to FA or anyone else because I posted my thoughts before any of them said anything that would be used for it.

[Gamma Emerald]

can you summarize your scumread on pintu soon?

Vote on CJ immediately after speccing CJ 8-ball = gross. 184 is also really slayer's gambity.
Trusting in the NSG read.
Shade on me for WK-ing was very meh.
Argument that no one is voting the person he thinks is mislynch bait and therefore he's town for doing so is so LAMIST it hurts.

Why do you scumread something that looks like slayers gambit

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Jingle, do you think scum!Pintu plays this way after 8-balling CJ?
I don't see the relevance of slayer's gambit

I don't know if he 8-balled CJ. All I have is his assertion that if he were scum he would have 8 balled cj, which is entirely WIFOM if he's scum. What I do see is that he's 'worried' cj is the eightball, and that worry evaporated in less than a page.

And it's not exactly slayers gambit, but saying: 'I haven't done anything town, but you're suspicious for voting me because I haven't done anything town' is pretty damn close. The only difference is that he's not claiming to have outright acted scummy.

ok yeah that's sketch from pintu

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So I still find Pintu's reaction to being suspected sketchy even though Jingle described it wrong
like his avatar best represents how I think he reacted to the votes on him

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zzz

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Noteworthy that he namedropped me given the atmosphere
Anyone object to a hammer? Y’all got (expired on 2018-12-05 02:25:00) before I do.

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Spoiler: Groose.

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VOTE: pintu
Yeah.

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Hm I think a good strategy to start each day is actually a soft read reset at the very least, since the mafia are likely to try to play into pre-existing prejudices

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I would have gone with Jingle most likely

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Okay
I would have chosen that because a few people expressed interest, especially Saudade

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Nsg where you at

just frustrated about my mistake

Why so tilted?

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VOTE: jingle
Results from your questioning or die

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Who were you in org 13 tho

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Oof
I can see why you’d react that way

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UNVOTE:
I think that’s what he promised

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GDI. I'm having flashbacks to Geriatric Flag.

Gamma, what are your reads?

I think you’re town rn
Pretty much got jack else

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Wat

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Yeah, I think my problem with it is why doesn't he have any suspicions on me since he was voting me just before
that's some yikes posting
VOTE: jingle

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VOTE: Saudade

Reason being?

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Wanna know what Suka means in Russian or Hebrew?

I know it's a swear in Russian

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despite ceejay possibly being the 8-ball?

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I mean scum can be 8-ball
I also don’t know If scum come into this game day 8-balling the *most obvious* 8ball since town is probably aware of that possibility
I’d vote Penguin here
Nsg is still fairly underwhelming but so is everyone so that isn’t enough to nail anyone down as “underwhelming because scumhunting is fake, therefore scum”

If scum win this I feel it will mainly be from town’s lack of effort tbh
Who are you willing to vote here Gamma?

I mean I'm voting Jingle rn
I also felt a desire to lynch Sausage at one point, and those associations mentioned make me feel like he could be running a similar bamboozle to the DDU game I replaced into recently

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That wagon on me was absolutely awful

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Who were the 8-balls btw

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Also I think I got pocketed by Saudade again lol

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Actually no I wasn’t, I was onto him this game, I just never tried to push it

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Yeah I think you need to recalibrate how you read me cos that’s twice you’ve mislynched me

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That’s not meant to be mean, it’s actually intended constructively

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Wait what did he say

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Not sure what exactly was wrong there