Open 742: C9++ (Game Over)

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VOTE:

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ahaha, might as well vote out the list mod!

VOTE: MariaR

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VOTE: Egix96

This guy is vaguely scummy

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VOTE: Egix96

This guy is vaguely scummy

With only 2 posts?

With the rate this game is moving, sure

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Asking for a vote count is pretty weird at post 26 - you can't count up 1 page of votes? Doesn't make it scummy though

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VOTE: Egix96

This guy is vaguely scummy

With only 2 posts?

With the rate this game is moving, sure

Why?

Because I said so Lovebird

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VOTE: Egix96

This guy is vaguely scummy

With only 2 posts?

Hence the word vague.

You're answering for Dunnstral because...?

"answering for Dunnstral"

What? I already responded to that

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VOTE: Egix96

This guy is vaguely scummy

no u

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dunnstral

0/2 on votes so far

Statistically likely to be scum, from my point of view

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^You don't believe this

Ahahaha, be quiet, don't tell me what to think

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Because he was adding on to the discussion and to the game?

It's not like we were waiting for me to respond to something

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^You don't believe this

Shade noted btw, 1 scum point

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I'm not allowed to have vague scummy feelings on someone for bad voting on page 3?
Do I have to firmly believe what I'm saying to place a vote? Why not go hound ejix or whatever his name is


And 1 scum point is nothing, you need 7

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Because he was adding on to the discussion and to the game?

Was it just an offhand observation? Could he be scum trying to buddy you? Maybe he's nervous and felt the need to say something but couldn't think of anything else. If so is that townie, scummy, or NAI?

It's not like we were waiting for me to respond to something

My initial comment was aimed solely at him. It had nothing to do with you. But now your defensiveness is interesting.

Keep pushing me

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I'm "defensive" but I'm also one of the few people being proactive instead of reacting to what I say

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I think Sherma is towny. Other site, you can get votecounts without mod. So, it makes sense to ask. Plus, shows he's looking at the thread and wants to play :)

This is a bad read btw

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You're either scummy or you're not, seems pretty black and white to me. I didn't say it was a reason to be tr, people are trying to paint me as defensive with the implication that it's scummy

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Alright some of the stuff I've said was pretty wild but barring other leads voting the guy that voted town twice seems decent to me

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It seems MariaR knows me too well

On an unrelated note I'm out of here, vote ejax69

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Shema doesn't deserve votes

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What does it mean to deserve votes in this context

It means what I said

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I don't think they deserve votes in the current gamestate, over other players

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How does a 3 headed hydra not have anybody logging in to post for 3 days

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This seems like a bunch of statistically retarded mud-slinging. Do we have to lynch someone on the first day?

-PraiseTheLordBiggieCheese

This slot is scummy too, would vote

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Also reasoning behind Lovebirds and Dunn's vote on lovebird would be good. (Apolgies if I missed them)

Assuming you mean Egix96

Everything they post looks like he's trying to fit in rather than contribute to the game, or just useless posts like #177 and #178 - oh wait, those are Gamma's posts, yeah that guy is a little scummy too

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No worries Maria, you've been making fluff posts from the start anyhow

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You don't think scum would remember who the IC is?

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I think I like all your reads LolWagons, except I'd say A50 leans town as well

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VOTE: Almost50

Then do something about it.

VOTE: Clemency

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You posted a reads list that 3 people in a voice call made. Am I suppose to be impressed?

???

What is this post supposed to mean?

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Also, Gnelf is the one in the voice call, what are you talking about

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I don't understand why you're suddenly aggressive MariaR

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You posted a reads list that 3 people in a voice call made. Am I suppose to be impressed?

I gave reasons behind them and have been more transparent and active already in four posts than you've been the whole game.

Okay buddy! So sorry let me just go make up a reads list and that gives me the right to be on my high horse all game.

Don't think I'm playing all that well, to be honest. even said so in my post. Just better than you.

Keep thinking that buddy. When I get scum lynched we'll see who's talking lol

Your tone and play got really weird after he posted that reads list

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Also, Dunnstral's on this wagon and you guys know I'm not a fan of him.

Got any reasoning that isn't just "I voted for you"?

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Lolwagons is a bad wagon

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Lolwagons is a bad wagon

What's a good wagon, Dunn?

I've given opinions on this already

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I think Reaper's last post alone is probably more indicative of an anti-town alignment than what I have done so far but then again I'm biased.

I agree

I also think Egix last post is indicative of an anti-town alignment

I'd like to get one of those two

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VOTE: ReaperOfSouls

I'm not thinking a50 is scum either so

[Dunnstral]

[mocking voice] For your sake I hope this is correct

[Dunnstral]

Also, Dunnstral's on this wagon and you guys know I'm not a fan of him.

Got any reasoning that isn't just "I voted for you"?

Okey dokey then, it's time for me to get my big boy pants on and make an effort to engage with you here.

VOTE: Egix96

This guy is vaguely scummy

Now that quite a lot has happened since you wrote this, do you still stand by it? Could you elaborate on this read?

VOTE: Egix96

This guy is vaguely scummy

With only 2 posts?

With the rate this game is moving, sure

Why?

Because I said so Lovebird

You obviously didn't have a concrete reason at the time.

I'm not allowed to have vague scummy feelings on someone for bad voting on page 3?
Do I have to firmly believe what I'm saying to place a vote? Why not go hound ejix or whatever his name is :)


And 1 scum point is nothing, you need 7

How can you say it's 'bad voting' when a) I voted the Cleric slot WELL before the IC reveal and b) I don't know if you're town or not?

I think Sherma is towny. Other site, you can get votecounts without mod. So, it makes sense to ask. Plus, shows he's looking at the thread and wants to play :)

This is a bad read btw

Shema doesn't deserve votes

What changed?

This post reads as trying to justify their push after the fact rather than having that as a rea doriginally, when they could have just said they were rvsing or something

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If I was scum I would just hang back until I could join a bandwagon to get a lynch asap.

until I could join a bandwagon

Like yes just ignore this part of the argument

-PraiseOurLordBiggieCheese

What part of the argument? The part where you lead with "If I was scum"...?

If this is self meta then I'm not impressed since you're not only a 3 headed hydra, but you've also never played on this site before

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weak af "uhhhh look at my meta" argument, then get into some kind of slapfight

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we would have joined one of the wagons already

What if you're scum with ROS?

If you vote Lolwagons then based on your contributions you would be reevaluated a little harshly, otherwise you're stuck bussing your partner

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Long twilight

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I'm opposed to voting Gnelf

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LolWagons is still town

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My logic from THIS GAME has NOT changed. It was the same setup, and I argued we lynch the first person to claim a VT, Nobody listened, and we ended up lynching the SECOND one (they were Town). Had we lynched the FIRST one we would have got the GODFATHER on D1.

I don't see how any of this is relevant

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OkaPoka is stepping in and hardclaiming cop. Sorry guys.

Interesting, Persivul was a cop, meaning there were 2 C's in the setup, for you to be a 1-shot cop in addition to that...

Let's look at what we know:

From the Wiki:

The moderator randomly chooses 7 numbers from 1-100, repeating permitted. Then, each number is turned into a letter as follows:

1-50 = T (Townie. This actually directly influences scum powerroles.)
51-65 = C (Cop)
66-75 = D (Doctor)
76-85 = V (Vigilante)
86-95 = M (Mason)
96-100 = B (Blocker)
The mod then notes how many of each letter is generated.

So we're at C C C _ _ _ _ if we believe your claim
We know there is at least a 1-shot vigilante, and an innocent child, this means the setup would be:

C C C V M _ _

...What I'm saying is, it's more likely that you're fake claiming here than that you're actually cop

This is not an invitation for people to start claiming their roles

VOTE: Gnelf

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Actually, if vig is 1-shot they can claim if they want

[Dunnstral]

Actually, if vig is 1-shot they can claim if they want

I take this back

Vig is our hidden IC for now

[Dunnstral]

50% chance of being a serial killer actually

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VOTE: egix96

Hold up. Did you get a result, or not? This is important

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Why are you voting me Egix?

Did you get a result?

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Almost50 you don't have an excuse to be an absolute idiot in the game thread today, shape up or get lynched out of policy

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Egix can you stop the runaround and just answer already

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That is the answer - egix is voting gnelf because he thinks gnelf is claiming a guilty on him

Now can gnelf explain

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I guess I'm the only one who actually bothered to read the setup?

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Gnelf I'm not sure where this 20 questions with Egix got you but you didn't get a result on them, right?

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Is there anything else you think I'm missing?

What are the possible scum role setups, based on what we already know?

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Is there anything else you think I'm missing?

What are the possible scum role setups, based on what we already know?

TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker
TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)
TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather
T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)
0 Ts = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather

So we have a RB for sure, and we have at least one goon. We may or may not have a GF and may or may not have a SK.

If I'm understanding your point you think Gnelf got a clear due to GF or SK Investigative Immune? Or do you think he was RB'd? If that's the case I still don't know why he votes Egix out of the gate then states he thinks he's scum slipping. Maybe it's because I would've done it a different way though.

But if this is not what you're saying then please feel free to enlighten me.

He claimed cop yesterday, there's a scum roleblocker in the game 100%, and he wasn't targeted with a nightkill

So yeah, wouldn't have a result

He's also likely scum because of three C's being unlikely

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Is there anything else you think I'm missing?

What are the possible scum role setups, based on what we already know?

TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker
TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)
TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather
T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)
0 Ts = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather

So we have a RB for sure, and we have at least one goon. We may or may not have a GF and may or may not have a SK.

If I'm understanding your point you think Gnelf got a clear due to GF or SK Investigative Immune? Or do you think he was RB'd? If that's the case I still don't know why he votes Egix out of the gate then states he thinks he's scum slipping. Maybe it's because I would've done it a different way though.

But if this is not what you're saying then please feel free to enlighten me.

He claimed cop yesterday, there's a scum roleblocker in the game 100%, and he wasn't targeted with a nightkill

So yeah, wouldn't have a result

He's also likely scum because of three C's being unlikely

I got an innocent on gamma

Take that for what it's worth

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I don't understand why you wouldn't be roleblocked

Investigation immune is only for sk, not regular scum - and we're not even certain that isn't a vig yet

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So you're thinking there's a godfather in the second half of players and that's why you pushed Egix

I'm happy to lynch in the bottom side of that list anyway

VOTE: Egix96

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VOTE: ReaperOfSouls
Better vote actually

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I think your logic points to gf being in the bottom half though

Why would they let you investigate regular scum?

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He never said he was investigating in the upper half - assuming that that's what he meant is dumb because that's the half with gnelf themself and penguinpower in it

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Plus, you know, he checked Gamma, so...

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Open 742: C9++

Player List

Gamma Emerald
ReaperOfSouls
Gnelf
Egix96
MariaR
Dunnstral
Clemency
0verki11
Persivul
Almost50
LolWagons

Shema

PenguinPower

VeridianCleric

Lovebird

This is the bloody list as dave posted it in Post #0

Gamma Emerald
ReaperOfSouls
Gnelf
Egix96
MariaR
Dunnstral
Clemency
0verki11
Persivul
Almost50
LolWagons
PenguinPower
Lovebird

in the case of more than one cop
ill be copping one in this pool

Gamma Emerald
ReaperOfSouls
Egix96
MariaR
Dunnstral

-okapoka

And this is Oka posting it as-as and listing the top half (excluding his own slot) and saying he'll cop in this pool.

Are you guys reading a different game??

H eliterally clarified it contrary to what you're saying here posts above

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Okay I don't know if people are understanding what I'm saying.

I announce I'm only going to cop one person in the

a pool of 5 people

because I don't want to repeat clears.

I cop Gamma, gamma is innocent.

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Or am I confused now?

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I don't see a reason to be voting Lovebird

[Dunnstral]

Fairly consistent meta

Looks to me like they site flaked

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VOTE: ReaperOfSouls

Bonzai

VOTE: Reaper
For your sake I hope this is correct

VOTE: Reaper

3 dead townies voted reaper yesterday *yawn*

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At this point I really just want to hear Dunn, Gamma, and Gnelf's take on Overkill

He seems towny to me, though voting lolwagons was bad

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I don't want to lynch TTTT

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I am opposed to a TTTT wagon - they seem clearly town to me

Rethinking reaper

UNVOTE:

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I'm against a ReaperOfSouls lynch and don't think they should claim

[Dunnstral]

We should be lynching Egix here, actually.

What are the chances that he fake claims something like doctor as mafia? At L-1? Likely fishing for a counter claim

'But what if he's actually the town doctor and we lynch him?' - once again, we have a confirmed roleblocker in the setup - claimed doctor is not only useless, it's not a confirmable role - at best he's just a named vt, at worst he's scum

Seriously, there's no benefit to leaving him alive. All that claim really tells us is that he's probably not a serial killer (because he was in the lower half of Gnelf's pool so him being bulletproof sk doesn't really make sense here)

VOTE: Egix96

Finally, this flip gives us wagon info to work with, and we're not forcing the entire town to claim

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We should not be massclaiming if that's what you're suggesting

[Dunnstral]

It's really not, it's a pretty bad play.

From your perspective you should have a hard time believing Egix' claim

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C C C M D _ _

This is where we're at with the claim

Of course, there might still be roles unclaimed.

50/50 on there being a vigilante or sk

Not forgetting how scummy you look right now Gnelf, you claimed cop then that switched to 1-shot cop after another cop flipped and were allowed to get a result with a roleblocker in play for no reason

How so

Scum have a roleblocker

Lynching Egix is already an ok thing

There's no reason we need to mass claim

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i dont want to lynch an un cc'd doc

That doesn't make sense

Him being uncc'd doesn't mean he's town, especially since the scum setup changes depending on what town roles are in the game giving the scum team knowledge of how many prs there are

[Dunnstral]

We're not massclaiming because that is bad play.

[Dunnstral]

We're not leaving Egix alive because it doesn't grant town any special advantage even if he's telling the truth, and if he's lying then he's mafia

[Dunnstral]

Guess what, Sk doesn't want mafia to gain a majority

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You don't get to call for a dictatorship as soon as things don't go your way, lynching egix brings valuable information on your alignment as well - considering he was in the second half of your list, if he were to flip godfather I'd be much more inclined to believe your claim, if he were to flip, say, not godfather but still mafia, then we can do the whole massclaim (likely to lynch you)