The Fifth Fortnight (Game Over!)

[xyzzy]

VOTE: Firebringer

[xyzzy]

wow, rude much?

[xyzzy]

wow, rude much?

wow, rude much?

wow, rude much?

[xyzzy]

VOTE: SirCakez

[xyzzy]

Marquis, Shoshin, and Gorkington are town. SirCakez is scum. idk about everyone else but my reads are all correct

[xyzzy]

I considered writing "p-edit: hey same hat" but I was too lazy

[xyzzy]

SirCakez is scum.

Why?

all of his posts just give off this super fake tryhard vibe to me, like he doesn't actually fully buy into what he's posting but he knows posting will look good

[xyzzy]

posting for the sake of posting, rather than actually trying to accomplish anything.

yeah this is p much how I feel

[xyzzy]

To me, xyzzy's posts feel "super fake tryhard," not SirCake's. Also, xyzzy just finished modding a game where town Cakez started the game off the same, mostly posting for the sake of posting.

I don't think this is correct but I also don't think it's even possible to compare the two. like that was a closed setup with a bunch of weird public mechanics involving lots of secret info and most of his first few posts were like 5 pages into the game. open setups are a completely different experience and it's a lot harder to fake feeling invested in the things you're saying

[xyzzy]

also I can't believe you made me go reread my own game. my favorite thing is immediately forgetting literally everything from any game as soon as it ends. how dare u

[xyzzy]

lots of shitposts
No effort
Act like you don't care

[xyzzy]

Vote: Cogito Ergo Sum

is this just RVS or do you have actual feelings behind this vote?

[xyzzy]

SirCakez is a perfectly valid wagon I’m just saying it’ll be boring if he’s scum

This is my first game in like 4 months I want it to be worthwhile!

this is a dumb argument. why would it be more fun to have a series of bad, useless wagons?

[xyzzy]

SPiffeh is town.

what makes you feel that way?

[xyzzy]

SPiffeh is town.

what makes you feel that way?

What scum solicits attention to their posting?

scum who's self-consciously trying to appear town??? I don't necessarily think things like 119 and 123 are scum posts, but I don't feel at all confident calling them town posts

p-edit: I haven't bothered reading any of the other fortnight games, but that's a clever strategy, and I don't think scum would bring that up.

[xyzzy]

BrightEyedFish, you haven't actually given any explanation of why you find DGB scummy. could you provide that? right now it feels

super

arbitrary.

[xyzzy]

BrightEyedFish, you haven't actually given any explanation of why you find DGB scummy. could you provide that? right now it feels

super

arbitrary.

Well it is arbitrary. What's wrong with that?

we're on page 10, and you could have some real reads for which you offer specific evidence.

[xyzzy]

BrightEyedFish, you haven't actually given any explanation of why you find DGB scummy. could you provide that? right now it feels

super

arbitrary.

Well it is arbitrary. What's wrong with that?

we're on page 10, and you could have some real reads for which you offer specific evidence.

Don't hate on my vote. Join me in getting information out of Goofball.

my vote is sticking on SirCakez, but you're not looking good here. if you're gonna vote someone this far into the game without offering a real explanation, you're doing it wrong.

[xyzzy]

I guess I should put my vote on Cakez because you say so.

I said absolutely nothing of the sort. tell me where I said you needed to vote the same way as me.

[xyzzy]

I don't care where you vote right now as long as you're offering a meaningful argument for why that's the right vote to cast. you have failed to offer any argument at all, and you've followed it up with completely misrepresenting my complaints.

I'm totally fine with you voting DGB or SirCakez or even me or anyone else as long as doing so contributes to the game. you have failed to do that.

we're not at the beginning of the game anymore. we're two days into a two week game with 10 pages so far. you need to play the game.

[xyzzy]

I've seen AtE from town mirroring cakez's play here, i wouldn't take that into account when sorting him.

if you're gonna vote someone this far into the game without offering a real explanation, you're doing it wrong.

VOTE: kuribo

EP how come you did this... I want to trust you but then you just do a vote like this and even quote me in it

[xyzzy]

Is the vote bad or is it just my lack of justification?

I just don't like votes that don't come with a clear reason behind them. this setup is one that encourages scum to coast and not contribute much, because inevitably some town players will get scum read, so scum really only need one of the two of them to be on absolutely no one's radar to win. votes without added context are a really easy way to avoid getting on folks' radars if they're not treated seriously.

[xyzzy]

also I was about to say I wanted to check CES' iso because BrightEyedFish's new vote is a lot better but it turns out that the whole damn thing

[xyzzy]

i have plan for round 2 - we all roll 1d14 and accuse whoever we get, so someone very likely will hit scum

...you understand only the people who actually hit the remaining scum will win in that scenario, right? my goal isn't just for mafia to not win the game, it's for me to win it.

[xyzzy]

I almost asked the question of who folks think SirCakez is partnered with earlier today but I realized it's kind of a moot point if he ends up being the one lynched -- it's a good idea to have a strong sense of who is most likely partnered with any given player, but by definition it doesn't matter at all who might be partnered with whoever gets lynched, unless somehow figuring that out makes it more likely to actually hit scum (which I don't think is the case in SirCakez's case). it's a good idea to go in with a plan of "if this person flees, this person is their partner", but if we're wrong about SirCakez being scum and we lynch him, any analysis of who his partner might be is 100% irrelevant.

[xyzzy]

btw, one small addendum to my last post: "who is X's scum partner if they're scum?" is not the same question as "if X flees, who is their scum partner?"

we can probably make guesses at the former based on associative behavior, but for any given pair of players who are scum, they have a choice between two options when it comes to fleeing, there's one that's probably better for them, and they'll almost certainly pick that one. therefore, if we mislynch and someone flees, if there are, say, 2 people who you think are decently likely to be their partner, one question that's worth asking is "why would this person flee instead of their partner?" -- if you think one possible partner would've been a better option for who to flee, it's probably the other one. (and it's not really a good idea for scum to try to WIFOM this and intentionally have the one who they consider to be the worse option flee, because that only works if they believe literally everyone will be analyzing the situation completely identically, which obviously isn't the case.)

[xyzzy]

me: says I'm gonna write a "small addendum"
me: addendum is longer than the post to which it is an addendum
y'all, I assume:

[xyzzy]

probably

hey, DGB, what makes you say that?

also,

mod:

you have SirCakez listed as voting for EP in the most recent vote count, but that doesn't appear to actually be the case; could you double check to make sure the rest of it is accurate?

[xyzzy]

if you really want that, make a vote and tell us why we should.

[xyzzy]

"content"
It was more then a sentence

Ohh is content now determined by length of posts?

Wow mastina would have a field day.

We can all just become content generators the same way I was generator of long essays in school. Arbitrarily make long drawn out statements that repeats the same ideas in different ways while not adding anything creatively new or meaningful. Hell we can turn this thread into mafia discussion. That’s gonna be fun.

What topics could we talk about?
Should town self hammer?
What is best way to scumhunting?
Is townhunting good here?

The options are endless!
We can also theory talk about theory talk.
Is theory talk useful?!?!

Can you generate reads from it?

You tell me cakez

hey this is a pretty good post

[xyzzy]

UNVOTE:

hey EP tell me about this unvote

[xyzzy]

sorry for the triple post but if it turns out SirCakez is town then BBmolla is deffo scum I think. I think the fact that momentum has slowed down on that wagon is a sign that either he's scum or there's already scum on the wagon, and BBmolla is the best candidate for the latter.

[xyzzy]

BBmolla - slight mafia
BrightEyedFish - mafia
Cogito Ergo Sum - slight mafia
DrippingGoofball - slight mafia
Errantparabola - town
Firebringer - slight town
Gorkington - town
Katsuki - town
xRECKONERx - town
Marquis - town
Mewtaph - slight mafia
Ramcius - town
Shoshin - town
SirCakez - mafia
Spiffeh - eh
Untrod Tripod - slight mafia

that's more scum reads than I'd like to have right now, but I'm thinking that'll work out okay in the long run.

I'm not opposed to a BBmolla lynch but I don't feel like there's compelling evidence that it's

better

than a SirCakez lynch.

[xyzzy]

BBmolla - slight mafia
BrightEyedFish - mafia
Cogito Ergo Sum - slight mafia
DrippingGoofball - slight mafia
Errantparabola - town
Firebringer - slight town
Gorkington - town
Katsuki - town
xRECKONERx - town
Marquis - town
Mewtaph - slight mafia
Ramcius - town
Shoshin - town
SirCakez - mafia
Spiffeh - eh
Untrod Tripod - slight mafia

that's more scum reads than I'd like to have right now, but I'm thinking that'll work out okay in the long run.

I'm not opposed to a BBmolla lynch but I don't feel like there's compelling evidence that it's

better

than a SirCakez lynch.

Why do you have me as mafia?

oh I meant to list you as slight mafia. whoops

[xyzzy]

let's get this bread

[xyzzy]

it really could be Gorkington which is fucking me up

Gorkington, what are

your

thoughts?

[xyzzy]

although tbh I cannot imagine a scenario where scum actually win if it's Gorkington, and I think scum would be smart enough to realize that that's the case and, y'know, not do all the things they've done

[xyzzy]

I don't think it's Bbmolla. I read Firebringer's iso and the amount of bussing he'd've been doing if that were the case is pretty extreme.

[xyzzy]

i put my guess in yesterday

who?

[xyzzy]

anyone who's decided who they're accusing, you should really let everyone know. there's basically no downside to the town having that info at all.

[xyzzy]

I'm working on it, Gorkington. I haven't made a decision

[xyzzy]

this is a kind of weird choice but I think I'm gonna submit Mewtaph. there are people who feel more obvious as possibilities but I think scum went into this game with a specific plan in mind, and I think picking someone like UT or Gorkington would be playing into that plan. Firebringer's play throughout this whole game only really makes sense if the plan was for the other mafia to win by being totally inconspicuous and dry, and a player for whom pretty much everyone's read is "eh, whatever" (almost no one besides me expressed an actual scum read on him before day 1 ended) might make more sense than accusing someone who might've been set up to take the fall.

[xyzzy]

seems like accusations are all over the place

that's not a bad thing. the fact that no one's really come forward to say "here's why you shouldn't accuse me" is concerning, though.

[xyzzy]

I already sent my accusation, but I didn't reread the thread for it, only did a few cross-ISOs with Firebringer, so idk we'll see how it goes.

who'd you accuse?

[xyzzy]

I accused a person and I do hope they were scum

this post really makes me want to switch to you because it's

not great

[xyzzy]

OBVIOUSLY TOWN:
DGB
Katsuki
xKuribox
Coggy
EP
Marquis
zedzee
Shoshin
Molla

Who is zedzee?

Why is Marquis town to you?

zedzee is me

[xyzzy]

very fun game. I don't think there was any scenario where I actually made the right choice there at the end. at some point during day 1 I convinced myself that it was impossible that SirCakez was still alive unless either he was scum or there was scum on his wagon, and I think that assumption was my biggest mistake.