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[BrightEyedFish]

Good morning

Do you wish me a good morning, or mean that it is a good morning whether I want it or not; or that you feel good this morning; or that it is a morning to be good on?

[BrightEyedFish]

If Dough says it's morning then it's morning.

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

[BrightEyedFish]

Experience with Werewolf with my friends in real-life, mainly. Played ToS for awhile but I decided i want time to think and to actually discuss with people. Found this site over another one because the queue system seems more organized then other sites.

Forgive me if I have to look up some of the acronyms you throw out. If you can out the regular form next to it so i can get accustomed, that would be nice.

Mod Note: This might help

I don't think you are new to MS.
You signature is too much of a hint.
The letters in your name...

I'd bet you are a reincarnation of Shortaru/House.

amirite?

How can we check this?

Oh dear god not Shortaru/House again!

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Ceejay vote for Tex with me

Why ceejay and not me?

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VOTE: Vote: Profii

Good afternoon. That was very passive aggressive of you, Profii.

no, I think Springtrap is legit being deceptive. I'm happy to say that straight.

I dunno man. It's day 1, the party's just gettin' started.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TexdoesHalo

Speaking of gut plays this post feels really gross to me but I'm evidently incapable of articulating why

Bruh, gross? I dunno about you but I'm just here to have some fun and hopefully not die. I'm genuinely new to this site and I'm simply trying to learn how to play this damn game. I have experience with Mafia/Werewolf in real life but I've never played it online before. Imma fucking noob.

Playing the noob card isn't always a scum tell but this feels off. Off enough in fact that I feel confident with this vote.
VOTE: Texdoeshalo

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UNVOTE:

I just did an ISO of TeX. There's really nothing there yet besides his noob claim. But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt right now.
@tex
Who do you think isn't looking too good right now.

[BrightEyedFish]

Elbirn is this your mother's intuition or your sense of smell at work?

Hopefully I can figure something out here, but it seems flips are the main way to know what to look for afterwards.

I'll open myself up to talk and ask questions I guess, so ask me anything.

I have a question.
Are you shortaru?

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Who is shortaru? Do they type like I do? This is my first time here, and playing forum werewolf in general.

Short is a banned player who apparently keeps coming back under a new name. You're signature seems telling.

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Who is shortaru? Do they type like I do? This is my first time here, and playing forum werewolf in general.

Short is a banned player who apparently keeps coming back under a new name. You're signature seems telling.

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I totally missed that post. Sorry.

Also I have no idea what fnaf is.

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UNVOTE:

I just did an ISO of TeX.

There's really nothing there yet besides his noob claim.

But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt right now.
@tex
Who do you think isn't looking too good right now.

But what about his iso made you

not

want to vote for him? Why did you vote for him in the first place?

I explained why in the quote.

[BrightEyedFish]

Damn I missed the pagetop again :<

sorry

:3

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UNVOTE:

I just did an ISO of TeX.

There's really nothing there yet besides his noob claim.

But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt right now.
@tex
Who do you think isn't looking too good right now.

But what about his iso made you

not

want to vote for him? Why did you vote for him in the first place?

I explained why in the quote.

Then why vote for him in the first place? Still haven't answered my questioned.

I got a little trigger happy and voted. Directly afterwards I went through his ISO and I found nothing of note to warrant my vote hence the unvote.

[BrightEyedFish]

Tex's silence is starting to look bad.

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VOTE: Vote: Profii

Good afternoon. That was very passive aggressive of you, Profii.

Shit. I'm new to this. UNVOTE: Vote: Profii

VOTE: Profii

VOTE: Vote: Profii

Good afternoon. That was very passive aggressive of you, Profii.

no, I think Springtrap is legit being deceptive. I'm happy to say that straight.

I dunno man. It's day 1, the party's just gettin' started.

VOTE: Vote: Profii

Good afternoon. That was very passive aggressive of you, Profii.

no, I think Springtrap is legit being deceptive. I'm happy to say that straight.

I dunno man. It's day 1, the party's just gettin' started.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TexdoesHalo

Speaking of gut plays this post feels really gross to me but I'm evidently incapable of articulating why

Bruh, gross? I dunno about you but I'm just here to have some fun and hopefully not die. I'm genuinely new to this site and I'm simply trying to learn how to play this damn game. I have experience with Mafia/Werewolf in real life but I've never played it online before. Imma fucking noob.

This is Tex's complete ISO. I'm having troube deciding if I should give him the noob pass or if I should treat his play like the rest of you.

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Do you actually have an opinion or are you sheeping so people don't have a problem with you?

Are you directing that post towards me?

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I like wagons.

Same here!

I haven't made a decision on Tex yet, that's my dilemma.

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That quote in my last post shouldn't be there

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I don't think Tex is coming back.

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thinking about putting the inaugural vote on bef

Can you talk about why and/or actually vote for him?

cause bef gets voted day 1 and his posts are strange and therefore seems scummy (c.f. the whole vote unvote business rn)
but i think he might be town today.

Ya know reading this again I realized

None of this was a reason for why dolittle would have been thinking about voting bef. Its...the opposite. Its reasoning to not vote for bef.

"I'm thinking about voting for someone who I know has a tendency to appear scummy when town and who I also townread"

HaHA nah B you're going to the shadow realm

VOTE: Dr Dolittle

I appreciate your defense of me, if thats what it is, but DDL never voted for me. He just thought about it. Hell, I tend to think about voting for most players as I tend to SR everyone at some point or another.

[BrightEyedFish]

Flaking this early is NAI even for veteran players.

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If Tex comes back I'll put my vote back there, if he gets replaced I'll start from scratch on the slot.

I have a new read. trivium pings scummy

I kind of get that feeling too. Let's try some new avenues while we wait on Tex's return or replacement.

VOTE: trivium

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Your other vote was just the same, are you looking for scum or are you just voting whoever is being talked about? You don't have any posts that analyze anyone at all

That's just the way I do Day 1. Unless I get a solid read on someone.

The best information on Day 1 usually comes from vote reactions and you are reacting.

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@lolwagons

If I read your post right, you are voting me because

someone else

didn't answer

my

question... Why not vote the person dodging the question if it's that important to you?

and/or

you are voting me for focusing a few posts on a flaking slot? Was I the onl one doing this? Why not give the same suspicion to others talking about it or one's that were actually voting on the wagon.

I guess the vibes people got from tex may have been warranted.

VOTE: LolWagons

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I like the look of #245. It doesn't seem particularly fluffy/agendary to me.

245 might not be fluffy/agendary but it does come across as calculated. I don't know what lol could know to have such certain and solid reads on so many players. And these reads don't seem like gut reads from him.

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BEF, my point was that he quoted your post and you didn’t think to push him again for the answer. Because I don’t believe you were all that interested in it. Stop misrepresenting my argument.

I wasn't interested in his answer.

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Also, I was quite clear on my reads. Elgin and ceejay both focused on the slot but the manner in which they approached it was much more directed at sussing out noob vs scum motives. You and Sheep however focused more on the absence itself and didn’t focus much on the rest of the game You were focused almost exclusively on that slot, and only voted Trivium after someone else express interest in a vote on him.

I was focused on that slot because it was the top wagon. His absence is what kept me from jumping back on his wagon besides there was nothing in his ISO that was a scumtell to me. Now you are the one who should stop misrepresenting my posts.

So if I have understood you correctly, you believe sheeping is scummy... No one is allowed to vote anyone unless they come up with there own reasons?

Sometimes I like other's reasoning better than my own, and I sheep along, I don't need to make up an excuse if I think someone else has said it best.

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VOTE: BEF

The move on and off of Tex is just something I can't look past.

That would make Tex the planned mislynch and BEF doesn't want to be caught on wagon.

I was on the wagon for like 5 minutes. I just jumped on the wagon to move things along. Directly afterwards I read the ISO and unvoted.
My fault that I just jumped on the wagon without researching but I got off as soon as I read his 4 post ISO.

Also, are you sure it would be a mislynch?

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Here is a read list:

1. Doughboy - town
2. LolWagons - town
3. Springtrap - post more
4. Ruby Red - post more (Inc PP ISO in this read tbh)
5. Egix96 - I'm suspicious but not sure.
6. profii - is awesome.
7. Sad Sheep - Post more, but I don't like 146 - why pre-defend someone before they come back to the game?!
8. Malakitty - post way way way more.
9. BrightEyedFish - I don't like the jump off the Tex wagon
10. Trivium - a wee bit tunnelled on Tex but 196 indicates for the right reasons
11. DrDolittle - a little bit of shade coming out at times so I'm watching
12. Elbirn - seems ok.
13. ceejayvinoya - I'm getting pre-conf bias - I believe BEF to be scum which would suggest you are town, but a BEF Town flip would raise my suspicions greatly as it stands - be good if you could post about other slots a bit more

You tell 2 people who have posted more than yourself to post more... feeling forced?

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1) Focusing solely on the popular lynch
2) Focusing on the absence rather than the content of the lynch
3) Not engaging with the target directly

1) What's wrong with being focused on the top wagon if that is the top read?

2) Well, there were only 4 posts and I needed more before I voted on the wagon. Should I have just voted without waiting for his return/replacement?

3) The target flaked after 4 posts... how could I engage?

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I'm just going to put this out there, granted this happened almost 9 years ago, but I looked a little into lol's meta as slaxx and here is an interesting post I found.
Note the linked post is a game where lol (slaxx) subbed into a scum slot and his opening post is very similar to his opening post in this game with a full reads list.

viewtopic.php?p=2057883#p2057883

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Like if hes scummy because of his reads list it's going to be because of its content in this game, not because 9 years ago he played scum and replaced in with a readslist. What about his post smells like scum to you?

His read list isn't the problem. It maybe that I'm just being defensive and OMGUS because of his attacks on me.
I looked into his meta and meta research is something I practically never do on day 1 and I saw that similarity. An intro post with a reads list is typically NAI but I'm looking for something to verify my read on him.
Maybe I'm grasping but my gut is telling me scum.

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But that's a little bit like if you went into one of my previous games and went "aha! Elbirn only plays inebriated when hes rolled scum, let's get em boys!", without verifying that I've done it in other scum games and not done it in town games. It's essentially a useless tidbit that's used to mislead.

If you really think that it could be a hint as to lol's alignment then you should be using that as a starting point and looking for something fishy in lol's reads post, instead of doubling down on "it's just meta".

I get your point and I did go over his ISO and what stands out is his attacks on me and I've already commented on those. I'm not even a fan of meta but I just looked for something that stood out.

He seems to be purely focused on me and by saying I'm misrepresenting his posts while in fact he is misrepresenting mine.

I guess he knows how to push my buttons but I'm done with him.

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Pushing a counter wagon is not a scum tell. If scum were always so transparent then town would never win.
That being said, DDL and Dough could be scum but not for starting a counter wagon. With this logic I could also argue that you are trying to "save" either trivium or lolwagons by pushing a counter wagon on me.

I'm find it's strange that profii thinks he has the game already solved so early and this could be interpreted as scummy but I still don't put him as my top SR, maybe 2nd or 3rd.

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As you say - scum would let a mislynch happen - there is obvious resistance to me turning up and saying “I’ll stick on BEF” and BEF has gone suspiciously quiet. Check.

I've gone quiet? What about your boy lolwagons? Why is my silence scum and his is acceptable when he has been gone far longer than me.

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I've been trying.
Do you think it's possible for lolwagons to be scum?

And I know I did only find that 1 old posts but I didn't look for any other games after finding it. I know that sample size is too low and that old post can be NAI but lolwagons is still my top scum read just from his posts in this game alone.

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Bef are you really self voting? If so why?

@proli. Give me a case on why bef is scum and why you are town.

My vote should be on lolwagons. Don't know why it's on me...

Oh wow, sorry. I haven't been feeling well since yesterday and I just cannot concentrate. I'll triple check my counts.

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He hasn't still provided any analysis on anyone but himself, with the exception of that "tex's silence is starting to look bad" and idea that apparently you scumread me for, but he didn't push it- I did because I wanted more from tex, and because I thought from the few posts he had that he very well could be scum. All of his votes have been on wagons that were already being pushed by other people; whether that be through votes or conversation focuses. I agree with profli, either you can't stop tunneling to the point you're useless, or you're scum trying to move a lynch away from your buddy.

lol's silence is starting to look bad...

In regards to the profii v dough, I think they are continuing a fight from another game. It hard to tell if they are disagreeing with each other just out of spite. I want to say profii is the scum of the two but I'm trying to be objective and not just OMGUS this time so I won't place my vote on profii until lolwagons comes back. But honestly I don't know if anything can make me pull my vote from lol at this point.

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I've been pediting like crazy these past few minutes but with this roller coaster, I erased everything and I'll just claim then.

I'm a jailkeeper.

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And I don't support a Dough lynch

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And I don't support a Dough lynch

Who do you think we should lynch then?

Lolwagons

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Fucking hell.

1. Its 13
2. We can't confirm it. The way to confirm it would be to have him protect a possible NK or jail a possible mafia but we obviously can't discuss that, because obviously mafia would choose a different person to carry out the kill and a different target. If we decide to believe the claim then we have to trust him to make a good decision.

Did you breadcrumb at all BEF?

Does anyone in their right mind think that this post comes from town?

See this is another reason why I SR lol.

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Fucking hell.

1. Its 13
2. We can't confirm it. The way to confirm it would be to have him protect a possible NK or jail a possible mafia but we obviously can't discuss that, because obviously mafia would choose a different person to carry out the kill and a different target. If we decide to believe the claim then we have to trust him to make a good decision.

Did you breadcrumb at all BEF?

Does anyone in their right mind think that this post comes from town?

See this is another reason why I SR lol.

Did you breadcrumb?

No.

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I think that Dough is town, I also think LolWagons is town, and Triv might have derpcleared himself right there.
Aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what do

I've been so focused on lolwagons this game I haven't really formed a solid 2nd scum read.
If I had to compromise lynch which is something I hate, if there is support for DDL and profii I would take them into consideration

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BEF answer my damn question

What about that post reaffirmed your scumread on me?

Ask nicely.

[BrightEyedFish]

BEF answer my damn question

What about that post reaffirmed your scumread on me?

What does it matter anyways?

But hey if you want to play obvtown by posting OBVIOUS game mechanics, be my guest. I see through that.

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I'm pretty sure I said this before but I'm done with lolwagons.
Just so he knows I will not answer/respond to anymore of his posts.

[BrightEyedFish]

Doughboy is town and trivium pushing him is dumb, lolwagon is town and pushing him is dumb

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DrDooLittle

Let's make this happen, I dont know whether or not to believe BEF claim but I'm tired of seeing "I'll vote DDL if possible" but nobody does. Swing this wagon here, I'm really feeling this is the play and I'm gonna be really upset if we no lynch because some people are getting bigmad over vanity wagons on town

You're right I need to stay objective. I still SR lol though. But it's not going anywhere today.

VOTE: DrDolittle

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I'm pretty sure I said this before but I'm done with lolwagons.
Just so he knows I will not answer/respond to anymore of his posts.

Don't be a dick. What if I ask you?

I just can't handle it right now. I get frustrated and get a grudge and it usually stays the whole game. I just hope I get some back claps when/if lol flips Red.

[BrightEyedFish]

Doughboy is town and trivium pushing him is dumb, lolwagon is town and pushing him is dumb

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DrDooLittle

Let's make this happen, I dont know whether or not to believe BEF claim but I'm tired of seeing "I'll vote DDL if possible" but nobody does. Swing this wagon here, I'm really feeling this is the play and I'm gonna be really upset if we no lynch because some people are getting bigmad over vanity wagons on town

You're right I need to stay objective. I still SR lol though. But it's not going anywhere today.

VOTE: DrDolittle

Wait didn't you say you didn't want a dolittle vote?

551

[BrightEyedFish]

lolwagons = scum.

gg

you all just got played.

[BrightEyedFish]

I tried lol

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just for the record, I never "disappeared". I live in Europe so my times for playing are different from the high traffic times.