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whooh new game yeah sick so excited
anyways good night see you in 14h

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cant argue that defense
VOTE: not_mafia

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the only reason i'm even in this game is because not_mafia is here
this'll be fun

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did you not see that god tier defense

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no u

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i can't believe you just crumbed Sy Tumtok
that's my role

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i never leave rvs

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hyi perkele

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no kyl mä osaan vähän ennemmän kuin sitä :p

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^(i know a bit more than that), in case there are rules against foreign languages

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i can't believe you're the protagonist of mafiascum

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split up, gang

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we can search for clues
zoinks, scoob

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alright lets see where this goes
VOTE: overkill

[Clemency]

fair

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Persivul vs Overkill who's been scummier give me a straight answer

Both are a
Fine lynch.

Overkill
Fake claim
Was weak.

does this guy always talk like christopher walken

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oof i've been prodded
this game is really boring

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What do you get when you combine two fish and an elephant?

Swimming Trunks

now this is what i came here for

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wow i cant read this game for the life of me

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why are we voting persivul again¨

i'm really fucking tired

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where's the rest of it

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god gless

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definitely no normal role

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VOTE: stanley

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a50's town dont lynch him

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a50's town dont lynch him

Stanley is town and we arent lynching them either.
Xtoxm or me are the lynch today. Choose one or im taking it as a scumclaim.

ok sure lol
VOTE: overkill

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yeah i was gonna say that just sounds like wifom

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okay lynch overkill

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xtoxm first

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okay i gotta say this before i get accused of tmi but a50 is town because i healed him, hence no death tonight
look who's conveniently spinning a narrative where we lynch a50
dont read into the wifom

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i've realised you present as really good town so people are always likely to shoot you

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oh no i didnt believe you for a second there

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i find it helpful to claim my power roles early since i dont see myself as someone who could contest a cc

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i also did it because i felt comfortable about my story against overkill but i'll definitely take that advice

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okay now i get it
VOTE: xtoxm

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and with that one quick move you've gone from townlean to scumlean

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you say you "know things", yet you needed an ingame post to confirm?

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guys i found our next lynch

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tell me about it

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quite honestly i dont even care about persivul's alignment right now because i wanna settle this overkill-xtox mess and if he's bussing that's something we can be vary of later

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i've already confirmed my own death this night so if i'm alive tomorrow go ahead and hang me

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it's not a 100% and you know it
it's not a matter of whats true or not, it's how you represent your case
your arrogance will be your undoing

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the entire case you've presented on persivul is
-your word
-
-

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this is my biggest pet peeve honestly

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i'm going to defend persivul till the grave unless you give me a reason not to

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I agree that this is persivuls scum game

why

is it? the burden of proof stands with you

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i'm going to defend persivul till the grave unless you give me a reason not to

100%
Not
Town

lynch this

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okay, that's already better than anything chateau has said so far

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christ

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if persivul flips town i'm spamming the shit out of dead chat VOTE: persivul

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man this game gets me heated sometimes

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mafia in general i mean
and in the best way

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why the hell does everyone have some sort of super mystery role

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I'd be surprised if cl is scum

Its probably his self imposed post restriction confusing you

wait a minute


his what

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jeez i need to hear more opinions on this turn of events

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jesus what did i miss with persivul
i'll admit i remember like 15% of day 1

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right but what scummy actions did i miss

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Cl said he's "not town" and his "night action payed off" that's pretty heavy hinting

The time for hints is past. He's hinted enough that scum already have him marked as a PR. He needs to explicitly claim now. I'll gladly give myself up today to lynch scum tomorrow, but I don't want to see a town mistake result in two town deaths. And, if he's scum, I don't want him to have any weasel room tomorrow. Hell, if he makes a full claim and it shows me 100% guilty as he's said, I'll vote myself.

^i'm still really reluctant on this wagon in the first place

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UNVOTE:
stop being uncooperative

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You're wrong.

No, I'm not.

What was your night action? You've already softed enough that if you're town scum have you marked as a PR. There's no benefit in hiding it now.

I'm not JK.
So you're wrong.

stop being uncooperative

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give me one actual reason to trust your word over persivuls

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what exactly is your night action

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sigh
i have two tests
dont explode for an hour thanks

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dont vote anyone until chateau feels like cooperating

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i'm going to fucking scream

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oh boy i just realised we have a50's play-by-play to look forward to

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VOTE: xtoxm

finally

[Clemency]

when was the last time we even got a vote count

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i mean i don't blame the mod
this game blew up
i love it

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killer queen has already touched this Large Normal

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wait what does the loyal modifier do

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the entire case you've presented on persivul is
-your word
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-

Aren't you, by voting Xtoxm, also taking 0verki11's word? Haven't you also asked us to accept your word on A50? I don't see why this is any different.

the context was different with the xtoxm vote, it was just a decision on which goes first
i'm asking you to accept my word because i straightforward claimed a town protective after a no kill night and didn't get cc'd
i did it because i felt having a50 conftown would be beneficial enough for the game to be worth it

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wait what does the loyal modifier do

brb going to wiki

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the entire case you've presented on persivul is
-your word
-
-

Aren't you, by voting Xtoxm, also taking 0verki11's word? Haven't you also asked us to accept your word on A50? I don't see why this is any different.

the context was different with the xtoxm vote, it was just a decision on which goes first
i'm asking you to accept my word because i straightforward claimed a town protective after a no kill night and didn't get cc'd
i did it because i felt having a50 conftown would be beneficial enough for the game to be worth it

Well, if you haven't been counter claimed yet, i'm just done with page 30, then yeah it does push you town. But your action doesn't completely town confirm A50 imo, but I can see how it would make you think he is town confirmed.

i agree he's not 100% confirmed, i'm just saying it's incredibly likely

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Clemency why did you target A50 if he claimed macho?
And why did the protection work?

it's a50

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oh no i didnt believe you for a second there

Alright then, so you

are

good at reading my bluffs (I gotta keep that in mind in case I roll scum in a game with Town you in the future)

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Pers is town af.

UNVOTE:

Wait the what. HUH?

WHY ARE SO MANY PEOPLE LYING?

'twas a gambit

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god bless

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get with the times old man
it's hypermodernism

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^
scum can be mislead just as much as town can

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For better I'm sure. Scum lie all the time and try to deceive the Town. If we were supposed to act like innocent children we'd be eaten by the wolves 101% of the time. We had to develop our own deceitful ways to survive and catch scum. One of mine is to bait the NK as a VT which indirectly protects the TPRs for one extra night. It works fine, so I have no reason to stop doing it.

Sometimes it's done to trick Scum into inadvertently claiming Scum. Like, once I faked BG to bait the SK to claim they shot me rather than the Town Doctor (he claimed Vig and we had only one NK). He did, and

I outed he was 100% lying

because I was NOT BG,

so we lynched him.

OK, you're against Lynch All Liars, and you give an example in which you lynched someone...for lying.

"when a woman buys a vibrator it's a little bit of naughty fun but when i buy a Buttblaster Xtreme 9000™ with Double Turbo Action Nanobots™ suddenly i'm a "pervert" and "not allowed on school grounds""

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VOTE: overkill
i agree with the above
if n_m is right he's clear

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it was on xtoxm

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i think

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woo day long twilight time

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mafia have a roleblocker

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and here i thought my bait worked too

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I’ve looked it up. I don’t realy believe you.

@Clemency - Why do you think there is a roleblocker for scum?

i healed chateau

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VOTE: xtoxm

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So why didn't the mafia kill the doctor claim? It seems more likely they would kill a doctor and roleblock a Loyal fruit vendor instead?

because i made it that way with a50
i baited towards the idea that if i lived to day 3 "you could lynch me" and a50 said "if chateau is dead and clemency is alive lynch clemency"
i saw it as a way to potentially save myself and chateau if scum was dumb enough but i didn't account for a roleblock

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So why didn't the mafia kill the doctor claim? It seems more likely they would kill a doctor and roleblock a Loyal fruit vendor instead?

because i made it that way with a50
i baited towards the idea that if i lived to day 3 "you could lynch me" and a50 said "if chateau is dead and clemency is alive lynch clemency"
i saw it as a way to potentially save myself and chateau if scum was dumb enough but i didn't account for a roleblock

idk if a50 was playing along or meant it but i'm assuming the former

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i'm going to defend persivul till the grave unless you give me a reason not to

You're lucky I'm thinking mechanically. If I did what most people do here I would actually pair you up with Persy for real.

If there's another Doctor in the game DO NOT CC today

. We already have our lynch.

If Chateau dies on N2 Clemency is likely Scum, but as long as there's no CC to his Doctor claim I'd still be inclined to believe he healed me last night because it makes most sense and especially so in the absence of a NK. (Which can only be explained by the existence of another Doctor or a BP, or a Town RB/JK)

Anyway, Persy eats rope and I will see if I can do some VCA before the end of the day (not too beneficial at this time so I'm not desperate that the day doesn't end, just as long as it ends with a Persy lynch).

this post

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So why didn't the mafia kill the doctor claim? It seems more likely they would kill a doctor and roleblock a Loyal fruit vendor instead?

because i made it that way with a50
i baited towards the idea that if i lived to day 3 "you could lynch me" and a50 said "if chateau is dead and clemency is alive lynch clemency"
i saw it as a way to potentially save myself and chateau if scum was dumb enough but i didn't account for a roleblock

But it always makes more sense to kill a doctor whenever possible. And Loyal acts like a roleblock if used on mafia, right? Scum would have killed the doctor and roleblocked the vendor to frame someone else they tried to give the fruit too.

Of course I'm still going to hang xtoxm, but now I'm doubting you could actually be a doctor.

you're making the assumption that x always has to be true where that's not necessarily the case

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urge to omgus rising

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yeah seriously dont claim
early claiming is my thing and it only works if you play as dumb as me

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i wish i could play a bluff that good
either way if i fake-claimed doc this early it'd put me on a timer if i keep living through the night
assuming xtoxm flips scum it'd be really dumb to make myself the next lynch up if i was his scum-bud

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i'm waiting with bated breath for n_m's unending wisdom

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god bless

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dope

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I'm a Town Jack of All Trades. I had the following 1 shot abilities. Follower, Watcher, Motion Detector.
N1 I Motion Detector Springtrap, I did not sense motion.
N2 I Watcher Clemency, got No Result.
N3 I Follower UnaBombaH, they did not motion.

I think Clemency lied about being roleblocked because I was roleblocked on N2.

My claim looks shit thanks to N3. But, that's what I've got this game.

VOTE: Clemency

this is a lie
i healed una tonight and got rb'd again, and someone's conveniently here to take the claim against me

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VOTE: joges
he's likely the rb in question, or gamethrowing

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oh i didnt even notice the watcher claim on me
yeah he's definitely lying

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we're not voting persivul over joges today

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@joges: Why would Clemency lie about being RB'd when he could've simply claimed he protected me again?

I felt this post:

mafia have a roleblocker

Was a role fish. Specifically because there are other reasons a person protected could die. Strongman comes to mind without looking it up too much. But Clemency specifically stated "roleblocker" which explains the specific "No Result" that I got. I was roleblocked, I think Clemency knew I was roleblocked, and wanted to see if I would counter them. I'm not sure if maybe they got a result off me from Xtoxm but I saw that post and my first reaction was to counter it. But then I stopped and thought better of it because I had one more ability. I figured they wanted me to counter it to see if I had more than one shot at whatever role they were told I would have.

The only other explanation I can think of is if Mafia have another multitasker and roleblocked me and Clemency the same night. But when my action went through N3 I came to the conclusion me not calling out Clem for her RB claim was what caused me to live and not be targeted again.

i know it's a roleblocker because i claimed day 2, my n2 and n3 heals didn't go through
a roleblocker would be perfect to throw shade at my claim, so rather than having to spend a nk on me, you could drive an eventual mislynch against me while you scout out other powerroles

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not to mention you have no other way to explain why nobody died n1, and i doubt anyone has the co-ordination to plan such a high effort, yet incredibly bold bluff as to not use the first nk to then claim doctor day 2

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joges is disputing my claim now and not earlier because a lynch on me opens up their roleblocker and sets up for mylo/lylo with a clean mislynch
i'm sure he's ready to die tomorrow to set up for his scum partner to win

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Personally, I find it hard to believe that scum guessed your night kill three nights in a row.

i'm very good at knowing who's gonna get shot

but bragging aside, the reason i healed those people is because their deaths were all foreshadowed, and if those people died it would put perfect shade towards me to do what you're doing right now
1.almost50 claims macho, he has a tendency to bluff and even then the nk was going there no matter what so i was ready to take the risk
2.chateau presented themselves as a power role and a strong townie, and he was someone who i was pushing for most of day 2, so again, perfect target for scum
this is where i made the mistake of not realizing scum could take advantage of my power role claim with a power role of their own
3.una was dying because he was quite clearly ready to push me down the next day, so again it's a perfect method to shade my role and make it look like i'm trying to clear out people suspicious of me
though the mistake there is, as scum i'd never kill somebody so clearly ready to oppose me, that'd be incredibly shady

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joges is disputing my claim now and not earlier because a lynch on me opens up their roleblocker and sets up for mylo/lylo with a clean mislynch
i'm sure he's ready to die tomorrow to set up for his scum partner to win

If I'm scum, and we have you on roleblocking lockdown, why would I bother lynching you?

because it's a mislynch on day 4?

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this is the perfect day for a scum setup like this to capitalize on the mistakes i've made this game

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so you're out of arguments
cool
lynch him pls and thank

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you really think he'd put someone as reckless as me in charge

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Lynch me, I've done my part.

idc who you are, this will always be a scumclaim to me
it's the simplest wifom in the book

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persivul this is awful scum play coming from you
you do realise you're setting yourself up to get lynched back to back with your buddy joges, right

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that's a generalization and you know it
if you're gonna try to shade me, try harder

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because i don't need to flip in the first place? joges flips red, i get to soak the nk, the rest of the town gets one extra day to act on as town

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why would i be happy with the second best case when the best case is available

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that's a horrible argument

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ugh i hate having to be the driving force of the town this game
why can't everyone else do my job for me like always

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sigh
would you rather have a 1 for 1, or a 0 for 1

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you're clearly trying to get me to back down so i don't defend myself against these claims

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because i'd still be a confirmed townie?

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this is so fucking obvious
he's repeatedly telling you to lynch him simply so you don't
it's simple fucking psychology

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this is so fucking obvious
he's repeatedly telling you to lynch him simply so you don't
it's simple fucking psychology

If I'm wrong about you, I'll join you soon. You have to break a few eggs to make an omelet.

why are you so comfortable about the prospect of two townies dying

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important question
does a loyal fruit vendor know if they try to give fruit to somebody from a different alignment
this is crucial

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nvm my theory is disproven by overki11

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persivul is town being mislead by joges

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yeah i realized it doesn't matter

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my theory was far-fetched anyway

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i targeted a50, i didnt lie about that
i have a very bad feeling about this

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there has to be a second protective because xtoxm visited two people and nobody died

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i'm so confused

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i'm trying to figure out if this means a50's scum somehow
i have no idea whats happening

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oh my god it could totally be joges and a50

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i dont know

why

, i know he's lying about getting roleblocked

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i'm starting to feel like joges isn't lying either

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oh well
idk
he was lying about being roleblocked
i'm so lost

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joges why are you so damn willing to be lynched today

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^if the man wants to be lynched, let him have it

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fuck it
VOTE: gamma

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jeez a50 you're really not in it today
maybe take a small break? you're playing really reckless and spiteful
joges is scum btw

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i bid you all farewell, and may the rest of your game be fruitful

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ah, probably be wary of persivul too

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calm down buddy
i already got hammered
i know you like your hammers but you're late

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i was a tad unsure earlier but now i'm 100% certain joges is scum

do that for me at least, yea?

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yeah that sounds reasonable

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sorry that i played bad

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well this was wacky