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[UnaBombaH]

Two scum found already.
Guess I'll start a wagon on town then.
VOTE: Not_Mafia

[UnaBombaH]

LYNCH-LIFE!
IT'S THE BASIC WAGONOMICS!

[UnaBombaH]

@UnaH: your avi was a static image, what happened?

It got un-static-ed. I think.

[UnaBombaH]

I personally hate emojis, if anyone here cares to know.

Then I must apologize beforehand, because I'm notorious for using them in every post..

My special favorite here is the -smile, I like it far better than or because I feel like can be used in a more sly and sometimes even sarcastic manner.
Not even trying to be funny here, seriously explaining a quirk I have.
I only have one alt on site, and I try my hardest every time I play on it to NOT use any emojis as to not have my cover blown!

[UnaBombaH]

Overkill + Gamma are scum. Easy game, easy life.

VOTE: GammaEmerald

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: Springtrap

...aaand this is scum for wanting to create a third equal wagon in their first post.

[UnaBombaH]

Oh my..another Finn in MafiaScum, or just the usual "these are all the words I know in Finnish"?

[UnaBombaH]

Sashaddin is scum.
The above 121 is something only scum would post.
No townplayer on site is uncertain about themselves.

[UnaBombaH]

I played in the most recent BoonieToonz with Chateau Lobby.
I had an irking feeling I knew who he was, but never got a confirmation nor felt certain about any account.
He flipped town last game after a very similar show, but I have no trouble seeing him as scum either.
I feel like he is the type of player I will have trouble trusting in any and every game. Just something about the way he plays I guess.

[UnaBombaH]

A50 needs to be taken seriously as well.
I've been busy at work, so I haven't been posting much myself, but I always play better when I'm a little behind and read multiple pages at a time and do these sort of mini catch-ups.
But from what I have read so far, I do not see Chateau and A50 ever being scum together this game.
CL would have no reason to push the focus on this whole account-switching A50 pulled if they were both scum.
However... It could very well be SvT either way around.

Already two good options to potentially check for investigatives IMO. But leave it at that for now.

[UnaBombaH]

Let's consolidate our 4 wagons.
Those on spring, move to overkill.
Those on Gamma, move to Persivul.

This would be a VERY bold move from a scum, but I could see this also being a brilliant way to posture.
Basically moving town around from/to scum and therefore either covering for buddies or creating distance for later.

What's even more, I'd abandon voting Persivul at this point, and prefer splitting the wagons to Overkill and Springtrap instead.
Why?
Because neither of them are voting atm, and at least Persivul is on Overkill now (and was on Springtrap).
I like the idea of getting any one of the three to flip, but for now I'd prefer Springtrap and Overkill as wagons over Persivul.

(and apparently the movement was already made on this latest page to make it a leading wagon on Overkill, so...)
VOTE: Overkill -

L-1

[UnaBombaH]

I think that's only L-2. 8 to lynch.

Why the freak would you point this out NOW? Couldn't you just wait to see who will attempt to hammer and/or if Overkill will claim already??

Would've asked the same thing..
I MIGHT HAVE done that false L-1 on purpose.

[UnaBombaH]

Does nobody else think Persivul is a better lynch than Overkill? his iso consists of 2 RVS votes, irrelevant questions and throwing shade at LHF for answering a question

Well, now that you have pointed it out, we also have the added potential of you being scumbuddies with Overkill, right?

[UnaBombaH]

How is that "fair" or even remotely logical?

[UnaBombaH]

Im self confirmable btw, will confirm tommorow.

Ok you're probably town now

Or just a strong scum!PR worth to keep alive if only for one night.
Or the "self-confirmation" isn't actually a town-confirmation. Calling that now.
UNVOTE:

[UnaBombaH]

I mean I realised there maybe a scum varient of my role. But I can atleast confirm my ability exists.

[UnaBombaH]

Overki11 is likely never able to conf.town to us anyway, so delaying their lynch until ??? seems stupid.
I can get the argument of not wanting to lynch a claimed PR, but the way this situation has been formed/worded - by themselves as well - I do not see a role/situation where Overkill is able to ever conf.town themselves.
Hope I get proved wrong at the start of D2, but I'm seriously not going to leave that slot hang any further than D2 unless we get a realiable result.
But moving on from that now.

[UnaBombaH]

This is NOT to say the others are not good at scum, but I'm pointing out players who probably can win it single handedly for their team.

I'm so stupidly arrogant that I really want you to add me to this category..
I'm currently 6W/3L as scum I think, and I think at least two of those have been me in LyLo/MyLo to win it.
Please notice me senpai..

[UnaBombaH]

Funnily enough, I was going to ask how Springtrap suddenly got COMPLETELY excluded from the lynchpool, but of course they had to come around and say it themselves.
They stopped posting, and nothing else.

I'd rather see us go there now if Overkill is off-limits for D1.
VOTE: Springtrap

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: Overkill
Until he clears up what the fuck his role is I’m not moving

I'd normally join in on this for principle alone, but since I have a scummy hunch about you Gamma, I think I'll just note this down.

[UnaBombaH]

Right now, I'd go for Overkill or A50. The first one because I trust some on the wagon and his situation seems murky.

OK.
"Trust some on the wagon".

0verki11: Not_Mafia, Clemency, Gamma Emerald (3)

So..basically trust N_M, or didn't bother to check who was actually on the wagon?

Town leans: Chateau Lobby, Not_Mafia, Stan1ey, Percivul

Out of these, neither stan1ey or Percivul have been actively pushing on either of your scumreads.
So the townlean comes from something other than a shared opinion/scumread.
Can you try to elaborate on any reasoning?

After rereading the latest posts: add xtoxm, jorges and Gamma.

Well, after you added this, Gamma makes more sense in the above, because he is sticking to Overkill.
But you said here "after rereading the latest posts" - meaning that Gammas involvement in the wagon isn't the key point, and meaning that the earlier "trusting some on the wagon" could've only been meaning N_M and/or Clemency.

EXCEPT YOU DIDN'T ADD CLEMENCY TO YOUR TOWNLEANS

(which btw, you have quite a few already)

MEANING THAT ONLY N_M FITS THE ABOVE.

VOTE: Sashaddin

I feel like this was scum trying to provide content for contents sake, and this is how scum actually get caught D1.

[UnaBombaH]

I'd say Sashaddin named one teammate in the beginning, so probably still scum!Overkill over scum!A50, but I very much think one of them is surely scum.
Similarly I feel certain that Chateau Lobby, Not_Mafia, Stan1ey, Percivul are 3/4 or all town. Sasha named two potential mislynches as town here (Stan1ey and Perci) to be able to try and salvage townpoints for himself should one of them flip.
And the lates addition to his "townleans" has one scum - probably the one slot where he fumbled with the sorting - Clemency.

Let's lynch Sasha today, and get a scumflip.

[UnaBombaH]

..and if we get a townflip forget I said anything.

[UnaBombaH]

I have an idea.

EVERYONE VOTE SASHADDIN!

[UnaBombaH]

Una,
Why R U protecting Overkill?

My current lynch order is Sashaddin -> anyone and everyone else.

Assume Sashaddin flips town -> I'm going to default back to Overkill, especially if he goes through with a stupid fakeclaim for N1 actions.
(I'm good at sniffing Tauruspoop when it comes to fakeclaims and claimed actions. )

Overkill ought to be lynched because of a shaky claim and next to no town-posts.
Sashaddin should be lynched because of a very telling and obvious scumpost.

[UnaBombaH]

Overki11 is likely never able to conf.town to us anyway, so delaying their lynch until ??? seems stupid.

Last post quoted strange.
Stupid phone posting.

This is quote I wanted.

I made this post with the idea of "Overkill is going to be lynched D2 anyway".
Not that he should be rushed down D1.

[UnaBombaH]

Sashaddin should be lynched because of a very telling and obvious scumpost.

I'll be snickering in the dead thread when you take that cop hat off.

Sure, you can do that no matter what you flip.
I don't have much of an ego when I play Mafia, although it might sometimes seem like I do.

Hey, UnaH, look at my meta and tell me if I had a game with a good Day 1. Hint: I never do.

Posts like these only make me want to lynch you more.
And that is even while I often have shaky D1's myself and I used to be very lynchbait-y every D1/D2.
Simply because there was so little to push and scumhunt, so I ended up generating content which got me scumread.
But it still helped ME find the actual scum while I was the target for their pushes.
Your post pinged me straight away as scummy, and none of the posts you have made since, have been able to shake that read.

Assuming you are town however..
You now have the unique position to get to scumhunting based on the content people are now actually providing ABOUT/AROUND YOU, and help town find the real scumsters.
Until you are able to do that, I'll stick to my read on you.

[UnaBombaH]

Doesn't matter if he's the scummiest scum who ever scummed. He literally has bought himself 1 day. If he's scum he has scumbuddies we can lynch today. And he comes with bullshit tomorrow we turbo lynch him. No big deal.

Basically this.
I know what ChateauL is driving at, but I think it's still correct to not rush the lynch on D1.
We have a luxury we wouldn't have later in the game, so let's use it here.

[UnaBombaH]

Can we compromise
on Persivul instead of sash.

Why are you protecting Sash?

[UnaBombaH]

2 votes is a little early to start the ate

Yes.
I also think I have my first solid-ish townread on Bronn here.

[UnaBombaH]

I played a game with UnAh where he was mafia and it was incredibly easy to spot and he is playing a lot differently here.

And here I was feeling good about my scumgame.

He was acting very confident and his posts were patronising and suggested he knew more than others even though his arguments made no sense and were clearly manufactured, very very different to how he has played this game

I'm willing to bet it was a Newbie?
Or one of my earliest scumgames?

[UnaBombaH]

That's a dirty hammer!

[UnaBombaH]

Can't close out ChateauL+Overkill as a team based on this guys!

Just dropping this ^^ here in case I die over night and they try to drive something like this home.
We will have a solid result on Chateau tomorrow.

[UnaBombaH]

I was suspicious of Gamma yesterday, but since A50 is apparently conf.town (??), I have reason to believe town!Gamma as well.
I also have no trouble seeing Overkill and Xtoxmxmomx going for a silly "play" here given that they knew Overkill was likely going to be the lynch for today.

The fence goes up like *BoP!*
A50 / Gamma / Clemency }I--------------------------I{ Overkill / Stanley / GuyInAFreezer

[UnaBombaH]

Notable as well that nobody went for a push on me at the start of the day even though I'm the main reason why the wagon diverted from Overkill.
-> Makes me think that the people pushing for Overkill are legitimately trying to lynch scum instead of just jumping on any easy lynch.
->Makes me think Milkytank is town because why not.
->Makes me think we should def. lynch Overkill first, but not conf.town Xtoxmxomx even if Overkill flips scum.
->I'm off to work

[UnaBombaH]

No, wait.
Overkill could be speaking the truth, and Xtoxmox could be multitasking scum, BUT Stanley and GiF aren't automatically paired in alignment. (think scum!Doc healing scum!Stanley but trying to kill GiF or whatever)

So we lynch Overkill, but all he has said today is actually WIFOM and doesn't help us at all.

[UnaBombaH]

Guys, let's sit down for a moment and let CL and Pers clear the air.

*grabs popcorn*

[UnaBombaH]

No, wait.
Overkill could be speaking the truth, and Xtoxmox could be multitasking scum, BUT Stanley and GiF aren't automatically paired in alignment. (think scum!Doc healing scum!Stanley but trying to kill GiF or whatever)

So we lynch Overkill, but all he has said today is actually WIFOM and doesn't help us at all.

P-Pardon?
Are you saying to ignore his result if he flips Tracker?

Well, if he flips town!tracker, we should obv. turn our heads towards Xtoxmoxax here, and once THEY then flip we can move onwards.
But Overkill flipping scum!anything doesn't mean we can outright trust XtoxMoxMax - Overkill was the designated lynch for today and any charades around that slot we need to be wary of.
This could all be just for distancing theater.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm thinking lynching Xtoxmax first might be dangerous.
It might give the impression that Overkill is to be trusted, because people will think his claim is confirmed with a scum!Xmas.

[UnaBombaH]

Hold ya horses btw.
Assume Xtoxmas is a multitasking scum.
His other action would still always be a kill, right?
I have never heard of a JOAT that can use two of their abilities the same night (sounds OP).

If we accept this to be true ^^
Then Clemency protecting A50 is neither here nor there.
It would've been a kill-attempt on either of Xmaxtox's targets. Right?

[UnaBombaH]

UnaBombaH - can be scum, I have some suspicion here mostly gut

I do have some health-concerns with my gut, yes.
Good of you to have some suspicions there.

[UnaBombaH]

If I were scum, your gut would say absolutely nothing..

[UnaBombaH]

Also..mind commenting your opinion on Clemency+A50?

[UnaBombaH]

Good to see logic works.
VOTE: Overkill

[UnaBombaH]

L-1 on OVERKIRRUUUU!

[UnaBombaH]

Are we entering the Twilight Zone?

[UnaBombaH]

..listening to Ensiferum now..

[UnaBombaH]

Una, In a universe where me and overkill aren't doing some weird scum theatre, who are his buddies?

I thought you would be more mad we hung you as the Tracker? If you are/were tracker obviously he's evil. But the way you said that implies to me you aren't Tracker.

Overkill is the one who claimed Tracker..?

[UnaBombaH]

I'm thinking that might have been a "queued" post from Springtrap, and he messed it up.
Meaning it could be very simply Overkill/XtoxMuxMax/Springtrap..

[UnaBombaH]

Una, In a universe where me and overkill aren't doing some weird scum theatre, who are his buddies?

In a universe where you are town, Overkill didn't name two townies as your target. At least my own mentality would be to be "safe" (hard to be really safe with the type of claim he threw anyway) and not name all townies.
Mix it up you know. Maybe get people into a weird mindset where both of your "targets" get townlocked for being a part of his gambit. Something like that.
So even with scum!Overkill flip here, I'd say we look into the trio of

Xtoxm visited Stanley and Guyinafreezer

And if Overkill goes against the odds and flips town here, we still go Xtoxm->one of Stanley/GiF, so we aren't terribly bad off..

Overkill flipping town would also mean that I'd put A50/Clemency under surveillance.

[UnaBombaH]

Yea, I haven't claimed anything yet.
Sad that CL died Last Night.
I'm thinking Xtoxm - Springtrap -??? Or Xtoxm - Clemency - A50.
If Xtoxmax doesn't flip JOAT, I'm thinking Clemency is next to confirmed as scum.

[UnaBombaH]

Good modding Rob - no explanations needed!

Thx for the game.