Town should never quickhammer

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Post Post #10 (isolation #0) » Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:23 am

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doubt this'll work

"Active lurking should be a bannable offense"
"Being non-site-rule-breaking-ly rude as a strategy should be a bannable offense"
"Self-voting should be a bannable offense"

It's all just ways to play the game. They're unpleasant, and usually pro-scum, but not always both or either of those things, and sometimes they're game winning. It's playstyle, and I don't think it should be banned just for being unpopular.
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Post Post #47 (isolation #1) » Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:02 am

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easy fix, guys

whoever hammers also dies, always & in every game
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Post Post #52 (isolation #2) » Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:26 am

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yes that will help

Also I misspoke, anyone who quickhammers doesn't die, they just have to truthfully state their alignment in the same post (makes it fair)
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Post Post #55 (isolation #3) » Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:25 am

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as was 47, yes :P
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Post Post #68 (isolation #4) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:12 am

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but sometimes town quickhammers scum
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Post Post #76 (isolation #5) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:39 am

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There are times where a townie quickhammering another player is pro-town. As long as that is true, it shouldn't be against the rules to do.
It's not unreasonable to want, like, a setup where "L-1" causes a 24-hour period where no one can hammer (as long as there is time left before the EOD deadline), or something along those lines. But not a mod-enforced sitewide rule
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Post Post #85 (isolation #7) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:51 am

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In post 82, BNL wrote:
Just because the Townie randomly quickhammered scum there, mean that the quick hammer was pro-town
well then we will never agree on the definition of "pro-town" :lol:
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Post Post #90 (isolation #8) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:37 am

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Your example makes sense. But to continue the metaphor, I just think it's silly to say "any choice in the monty hall problem other than switching doors should be punishable by the mod". Not switching doors is the "wrong decision" only in 2/3 of scenarios.
Obviously it's not exactly the same (the probabilities here are probably more extreme than 1/3 v 2/3), but in the example I linked to, I doubt tw gets killed D1 if he's not quickhammered there. He's pretty charismatic and does well earlygame as both alignments; the first wagon of a game day is usually not a target for the lynch by EOD; and therefore quickhammering, though risky and probabilistically poor play, was pro-town there, and also fun for the players involved.

As long as this is the way it plays out more often than *not at all*, I think it's silly to make a rule that you're not allowed to play suboptimally, because suboptimally is still the winning way to play on rare occasions. I too get annoyed at quickhammers more often than not, and have never quickhammered onsite. But this whole conversation is still just wacky to me. Quickhammering can help town win more often than never, and as long as that's true, it should not be banned.

pedit: lol that "playing to town wincon" and "pro-town" aren't synonyms.

Alright, let's do it this way: A Town Rolecop in a Mini Theme claims they got a result of "Mafia Dayvig" on another player. Is it pro-town to quickhammer?
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Post Post #95 (isolation #9) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:42 am

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In post 94, northsidegal wrote:Trick question, rolecops don't get alignment results.
ooh you got me there

Cop and Rolecop Masons checked the same player? :lol: :lol:
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Post Post #102 (isolation #10) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:25 am

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So I’ve been waiting for this game to end to share:
In post 776, Persivul wrote:I was hoping for some more activity and a chance to town it up and avoid this, but after my unannounced hammer on Creature, and with just 4 needed to lynch and 1 vote on me already, I think it's best that I claim. Plus, with the modifier, it was likely to come out anyway.

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In post 778, Persivul wrote:
In post 775, Sashaddin wrote:@ Persivul:
I was puzzled by the hammer, I
usually
see someone announcing "intent" before doing it. Was there a reason for doing it right away?

**I'm a He, please :lol:
I was satisfied he wasn't a town PR. So, either he was scum, or he was lynchbait (as evidenced by the L-1) and needed to go anyway. I was also (necessarily) lynchbait but will likely need to be killed tonight (unless there's a RB), and my flip will conftown Reaper, the other lynchbait. That should make the game solvable.
This wuickhammer by the town’s loud cop was smart and pro-town imo. He hammered town, which is obviously unhelpful, but he was right that he may have been the lynch and/or had to claim of momentum had moved away from that wagon, which would have been worse. He rightly deduced that he was quickhammering a [vt or goon] and was able to explain his actions alongside his verifiable (because loud) cop claim the next game day. One of the best-reasoned, pro-town quickhammers I’ve seen, and imo one of the rare occasions it was potentially optimal to do so.
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