Open 738: Purgatory | LA FIN

[the worst]

whatcha mean?

[Keyser Söze]

Did she replace out?

[the worst]

yeah, manatee's on the prowl for a replacement now :c

[ManateeDude]

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Votecount 4.01

the worst (1) - Eragon
Keyser Söze (3) - volxen, Keyser Söze, the worst
Not Voting - LabRat01, Ausuka

Time till end of heaven phase 2: (expired on 2018-12-04 21:30:00)

[the worst]

you've got volxy twice and I'm voting keys Manatee

[ManateeDude]

you've got volxy twice and I'm voting keys Manatee

Whoops! Fixed now

[Keyser Söze]

TOWN-ALIGNED TEAM ASSEMBLE

[the worst]

TOWN-ALIGNED TEAM ASSEMBLE

dude I've been here for weeks

[Ausuka]

hi

[Eragon]

TOWN-ALIGNED TEAM ASSEMBLE

hi.

ignore my prodge

ignore me saying fuck fm

uhh

volxen doubtcasting tw as scum(from what i saw in the skim) was ??? but i still overall think volxen is town(Re: my wall read post thingy)

ive liked ausuka's boldness, but honestly off the top of my head they seem different from WW, where they were town. correct me if im wrong plz.

lab has had a lot of good moment but also quite a few bad

tw and keyser are both like always town.

bye again

[volxen]

I still think Eragon is town, I need to look at Ausuka though.

[the worst]

ive liked ausuka's boldness, but honestly off the top of my head they seem different from WW, where they were town. correct me if im wrong plz.

I'm kinda reading it as a different stage of burnout more so than wolfy

[the worst]

skip over sorting me for now; let's just not heaven me today. we can sort each other in hell 3 pretty easily.

how do you feel about Eragon Ausuka and Labby?

OK, I'll start with those 3. I had Eragon and Keyser as strong townreads on day 2, but I'll take another look at Eragon. Then I'll look at Ausuka next and Labrat last.

I still think Eragon is town, I need to look at Ausuka though.

sorry dude I was looking for like... a lot more on this... what did you reevaluate and why are you confident eragon is still town?

if you're not teh scumz who is and why? + allow we have two lynches that CAN BE MISLYNCHES.....before judgement day

who's towny enough for heaven besides keyser and why am I not?

[volxen]

skip over sorting me for now; let's just not heaven me today. we can sort each other in hell 3 pretty easily.

how do you feel about Eragon Ausuka and Labby?

OK, I'll start with those 3. I had Eragon and Keyser as strong townreads on day 2, but I'll take another look at Eragon. Then I'll look at Ausuka next and Labrat last.

I still think Eragon is town, I need to look at Ausuka though.

sorry dude I was looking for like... a lot more on this... what did you reevaluate and why are you confident eragon is still town?

if you're not teh scumz who is and why? + allow we have two lynches that CAN BE MISLYNCHES.....before judgement day

who's towny enough for heaven besides keyser and why am I not?

At the moment I am convinced that {Keyser, Eragon} are town which means scum is among {TW, Ausuka, Labrat}.

If I become confirmed town via flipping, is Eragon your next top suspect? You seem to be convinced that both Ausuka and Labrat are town.

I could ask you the same regarding why am I not towny enough for Heaven. I was your top pick for Heaven, even above Dr. J., until Irrelephant flipped red.

[the worst]

ye you just ducked my question and I still don't have a good sense for your reads except that you've randomly got eragon as town...

I think if we lynch you we probably win the game atm. I've swung around to a net townread of everyone else but my strongly recommended lynch path is still

Heaven 2 : keyser
Hell 3 : volxen
Heaven 3 : mee
Hell 4 : eragon/labrat
Judgement day : {era, labby} vs. Ausuka

[the worst]

I could ask you the same regarding why am I not towny enough for Heaven. I was your top pick for Heaven, even above Dr. J., until Irrelephant flipped red.

I really clearly would have preferred to send you to heaven over Dr. J d2 ye but partially that was because at the time I very seriously worried that scum!Keyser was rolling us all and that Dr. J was a scum motivated lynch (I had minor Dr. J wolf tinfoil but it wasn't worth airing; wolves clearly preferred his heaven lynch whatever)

You have poor associatives with Rel and Dr. J has no real associatives. your d1 contributions were pretty good but you read fairly frozen atm the moment we press down and try to get more out of you

I feel like I've spoken about my changed read on you a fair bit whereas the sum of yours is "your read on me changed ergo I don't think you're town anymore"? and you can't provide a read on Ausuka at all and you're townreading eragon 'just because'?

[volxen]

Maybe we should send you to Heaven today, because if your solve is "lynch Volxen = town win" then we are seriously in trouble. Especially if you push for Eragon's lynch following my green flip.

[volxen]

VOTE: The Worst

[Keyser Söze]

Will be posting tomorrow guys and dolls x

[the worst]

Maybe we should send you to Heaven today, because if your solve is "lynch Volxen = town win" then we are seriously in trouble. Especially if you push for Eragon's lynch following my green flip.

so once again I'm forced to ask... what the hell is the solve? why are you so sure of Era flipping green?

even if you are destined to be lynched if you're convinced on Eragon being town we can send him to judgement day and safely nuke the other player alive. There's just nothing in your posts which convinces me or makes me think that you've spent much time forming that read (which gives me TMI vibes)

When I push back against you, you're deflecting the argument by resorting to attacks against either my intentions as a player this game (chainsawing yourself/Era) or my level of ability to form reads (fallacious reasoning).

I know that you're capable of #goodposting during a TvT situation like that one newbie game. The fact you're trying to duck out of this conversation without giving me much reasoning is making me really concerned this is TvS

[Ausuka]

I know I'm sounding like a broken record fam but there is a wolf left. who is it?

If you're asking me, volxen. I believe it makes more sense than anything else.

Except I'm not scum, so it's concerning that you've "settled" on me being scum as the explanation for everything. So why does me being scum "make more sense than anything else"?

Are you trying to imply that it's somehow a wrong or bad thing to have a scumread? I can't figure out what else I'm supposed to get from the first sentence.

As for why: Your play has generally felt worse than everyone else. I think you've made quite a few posts along the lines of "I'm pretty sure there is at least one scum among [TW, Rat, Keyser, and Rel]. - which is just empty speculation based on votecounts. I feel like your Rab push started from there and after that you were intending to scumread them, especially with the "Carmen wasn't scummy so can't be serious vote" thing; it was RVS so a vote like really doesn't need to be strong and I don't get why Labrat absolutely cannot feel like that post is sus. I also don't get why you don't think anyone could interpret 54 as LAMIST - 55 isn't a substantial post either. When you combine all of this with the complete lack of motivation for Labrat to actually chainsaw Keyser at this time and the fact that you started evading my questions about that subject, I think that you came into your first point from the viewpoint that you WANTED to vote for Labrat.

It seems like you came to that conclusion fairly easily, but if Creature is somehow obvious town, then several players (including myself) are missing it, so it's a bit concerning to me that he became your strongest townread so quickly and so easily.

I also thought this was suspect; there's no reason why someone can't townread a generally scumread player. That isn't scummy.

1152 is also suspect as I said earlier; it's an empty post just like "there is at least in this group of four people in a micro." that's trying to look like scumhunting but really isn't. Another thing I found suspicious is that he's like:

If we are sending someone off of Creature's wagon (Keyser, Labrat, Eragon) to Heaven, then I will need to ISO all three of them as I still haven't ruled out any of them from being scum.

@Keyser, would you send Labrat over Eragon to Heaven?

Except he seems to forget about that? Me, tw and Irre were all on the Creature wagon so I feel like he should've been confident in Labrat being scum out of his {lab, aus, tw, irre} scumpool but he isn't. Given this it seems like the whole VCA thing was merely a distraction to make it look like he was scumhunting.

I also just don't understand why he didn't want to be sent to heaven 1 as town; just saying he "wants to survive to endgame" which is ??

2122 is kinda just howling. This is a non-argument. And then he just tosses it out and decides me and tw can be scum after all? And then he tries to send Worst to heaven because he wants to lynch him? How does that ever come from a town POV?

Basically that's all the evidence I have for Volxen being scum. I don't think anyone else is nearly as scummy as he is.

[Keyser Söze]

Yeah, I didn't like Volxen's vote there on TW.
Volxen should be voting in:

"At the moment I am convinced that {Keyser, Eragon} are town"

This is no time to act in pride and prove a point to a player you're not even hard town reading... it's reckless...


Scum only need one more player in heaven, correct?

[Ausuka]

honestly off the top of my head they seem different from WW, where they were town. correct me if im wrong plz.

As worst said I'm kind of burnt out on mafia and it kind of feels like a chore. Also I think I usually play games differently based on circumstances.

[Ausuka]

Yeah, scum only need their final member in Heaven to win.

[volxen]

Yeah, I didn't like Volxen's vote there on TW.
Volxen should be voting in:

"At the moment I am convinced that {Keyser, Eragon} are town"

This is no time to act in pride and prove a point to a player you're not even hard town reading... it's reckless...


Scum only need one more player in heaven, correct?

My concern is that if TW is town, he is wrong on one of Labrat or Ausuka, but I don't know if he will ever see that. His plan is to lynch me in the next hell phase, and then after I flip green he will want to lynch Eragon in the next one. That is his "plan" that he has laid out repeatedly.

Keyser you are my strongest townread, but I'm also concerned that TW might cost us the game because I believe he has locktowned scum. I don't want the martyrs to have to choose between lynching Labrat or Ausuka on judgement day.

If you and TW are both town, I would prefer for you to stick around in the game. And Eragon is hard townreading TW, so I'm taking that into account, and I do believe this could just be town!TW hard tunneling me as he has done this before as town.