Starcraft Mafia -- Game Over!

[Krazy]

Votecount 1.6

Shoshin(3)

~ teacher(1), Xtoxm(5), Performer(9)

Performer(3)

~ Shoshin(48), Irrelephant11(32), Nauci(17)

Xtoxm(1)

~ skitter30(18)

Varsoon(1)

~ the worst(48)


Not Voting (7): Creature(26), Keyser Söze(24), Not_Mafia(0), Mitillos(15), Saudade(15), Varsoon(35), AlmostNancy(38)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-12-13 17:13:43)

MOD REMINDERS

I believe I have identified the issue I noticed with the last vote count; this one should have accurate post counts.

FLAVOR

Spoiler:

[Nauci]

It's kind of baffling that you propose a policy lynch on me and when Irrel + The Worst + Performer deny it outright

Fixed.

I dont like policy lynching (and for that matter I dont believe in the notion of "too scummy to be scum")

Further self conscious posting that makes me suspicious af

[Nauci]

VOTE: shosin

I was already getting scum vibes from calling a bunch of different people town for no reason and campaigning for a policy lynch is just a dick move

This is the least original post in the game

Varsoon are you going to call out this plagiarism

My naughty list is currently xtoxm, performer, and possibly Keyser but that's just for having been relatively quiet for keyser

[Nauci]

Bad vote from teacher.

Good votes on Varsoon.

Varsoon, I'm confident this is his scum game. His response to my vote is also pretty damning imo, since he's not even trying to sort me but instead just wants to start a pointless back-and-forth

I dont like the way shoshin voted skitter, later voted me, then when vars came back to talk about shosh, shes still on me while saying votes on vars is good (sounds like setting up) , soon after she flies straight from me onto scatman without addressing posts. Makes me think, "coasting mafia. "
And her confidence in scatman being scum and saying he's doing a pointless debate - the posts from vars dont look like pointless debate, it actually looks like shoshin is just writing vars off as scum.
VOTE: Shoshin

TW ever get to having a natural flow and carefree attitude. I feel like I'm pretty confident at reading scum worst at this point and there's no hint of the nervous YOLOing and showboating I've seen (unfortunately for our poor ducky) too many times. Town lean.

He seems to always have a carefree attitude between his scum and town play though .... I dont see how it's AI.

Anyway, I think the information I have is good for the town to have in advance, and unlikely to be something that scum don't already know (since they have daytalk per post 0), so I will go ahead and share it:
There are no roles with the ninja modifier.

@Shoshin: I would still like an explanation for your Performer vote, please.

I like mitil for town

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People throwing up these "X is town" posts I think is NAI to me, partly because the game is moving so fast, partly because of so many people in this game.

Lynch this, TIA

Mmk that's all for now folks toodaloo

[Irrelephant11]

good

nauci

naughty list

[AlmostNancy]

Creature should be a null read for everyone right now.

I thought the humor in his posts around 250 were townish.

I don’t think he’s done anything so far that scum-Creature couldn’t easily replicate (that’s not me saying I’m an expect on Creature scum-meta)

Except for the survivor claim. Creature isn’t one to fake claim - especially as scum. Take it from me, I was scum with him in Heroes Wanted and he was terrified to even post in the scum PT, for fear of slipping up. However, that role in general is easily fakable but Creature really dislikes lying.

[Irrelephant11]

viewtopic.php?p=10493177#p10493177 - replaced into a game I'd been barely skimming in which shoshin was pretty widely scumread (and not playing very well) but I was correctly >80% sure she was town

That was an impressive read, actually.

it was sad it got you killed

inb4 varsoon tries to "suspect" me after shoshin gets nightkilled and flips "not a mason"

[Nauci]

Perhaps TW and Nauci could chip in here too...

I outright withhold judgement on Irrelephant11 for the time being

[AlmostNancy]

Votecount 1.6

Shoshin(3)

~ teacher(1), Xtoxm(5), Performer(9)

Performer(3)

~ Shoshin(48), Irrelephant11(32), Nauci(17)

Xtoxm(1)

~ skitter30(18)

Varsoon(1)

~ the worst(48)


Not Voting (7): Creature(26), Keyser Söze(24), Not_Mafia(0), Mitillos(15), Saudade(15), Varsoon(35), AlmostNancy(38)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-12-13 17:13:43)

MOD REMINDERS

I believe I have identified the issue I noticed with the last vote count; this one should have accurate post counts.

FLAVOR

Spoiler:

Seriously? 3 votes on Shoshin? I think there’s probably at least one scum on that wagon.

[Shoshin]

Hey AlmostNancy, can one of you sign your posts? I can't tell which of you is posting.

[Nauci]

the caveat on my reads is that I have townleaned friends who do not deserve it before because I like them

When you post stuff like this, Irrel, it feels like you're scum giving yourself wiggle room to later be okay with a lynch on your townreads, 'cus you were just 'friendreading' them and could be wrong.
:/

good thing I wrote other posts huh

I love this new sassy Irrelephant, regardless of alignment

[AlmostNancy]

Hey AlmostNancy, can one of you sign your posts? I can't tell which of you is posting.

Sorry, this morning it’s all been me.

~Nancy

[Irrelephant11]

honestly all votes should be on xtoxm and performer (one or both are trying to take advantage of varsoon + teacher's suspicion of the slot)

pedit: haha I've gotten a lot more comfortable playing town
also nauci not providing a read on me is maybe towny? I can't decide if it's AI

[AlmostNancy]

It's like people are actively making it hard for me to keep up in this game...sigh

I am not an alt. I just haven't played in a very long time. Also worst posted before irrelephant.

Ah ok, it's because you're the only person I haven't played with or even heard of.
the posting - I checked again and it was because of my pg dn key, it scrolled past the mod's wall posts all the way into Irrel's post so I thought that was his confirm itt.

Oh and we have a decent mod in this game.

oof burn

lol I somewhat agree with a50
though I would change "decent" to "superb"

Incidentally, I saw in post #1 a mention of "informed status" not being revealed on flip. I've never played in a game with informed players, so I was wondering if the information they have should be shared with the rest of the town. Thoughts?

Well, my first thought is I don't have any experience in ever seeing someone say something like this. But if someone is informed and wants to share it, I'd say it depends. I don't think it's a black and white one-size-fits-all solution.

Wrt the bolded, that was me.

~Nancy

[Nauci]

As a quick change of subject,

I claim paranoid gun owner

I went back and forth for 24 hours on whether or not I thought I'd be able to gambit scum into shooting me, but I couldn't think of a way to do it that wouldn't also get TPRs to accidentally target me, especially in this playerlist where I'm known to some as hard-to-read and my crumbs would never go unnoticed.
So, instead, here's my claim!

Keyser is not obvtown by any means
Actually the fact that I'm not quickly and easily townreading him should probably tell me he's scum, but maybe I just forget his posts, let me look

For the record I found this very slightly plausible just because I'd been tpr so many dang times and I almost invariably ended up checking Irrelephant, but also implausible because Irrelephant11 is usually a strong town read by people other than me

Also if I had a dollar for every time I said I was going to stop playing mafia but continued, I could afford groceries for another month

[Nauci]

gustavo

Irrelephant isn't Gustavo. Can't compare.

Understatement

[Nauci]

@Nauci: Baiting someone into exploding, especially when you know that player explodes and looks bad for it as town, is not great play and, is, in fact, really scummy play.

That's not what I did, nor is it what Nauci's talking about.

^

I thought the conversation was about shoshin blank voting and quick wagoning in the first 10 pages, not your back and forth

[Irrelephant11]

Well tbf I was primarily thinking of you as someone who'd investigate me, though I wouldn't be surprised if those who townread me easily would doctor me or something similar, and any of shoshin/tw/keyser/maybe others? would probably notice any crumb I dropped that was meant for scum

[Nauci]

Votecount 1.6

Shoshin(3)

~ teacher(1), Xtoxm(5), Performer(9)

Performer(3)

~ Shoshin(48), Irrelephant11(32), Nauci(17)

Xtoxm(1)

~ skitter30(18)

Varsoon(1)

~ the worst(48)


Not Voting (7): Creature(26), Keyser Söze(24), Not_Mafia(0), Mitillos(15), Saudade(15), Varsoon(35), AlmostNancy(38)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-12-13 17:13:43)

MOD REMINDERS

I believe I have identified the issue I noticed with the last vote count; this one should have accurate post counts.

FLAVOR

Spoiler:

Since I feel strongly about performer and/or xtoxm, this temporarily clears teacher in my eyes

[Xtoxm]

Lol @ having 2 strong instant scum reads in a large game. Get ove4 yourself.

[AlmostNancy]

I actually have (old) playhistory with Creature, Performer, Varsoon and teacher (?) so may dig up those games


I can definitely remember playing with Varsoon (I can remember swearing at him )

I would like to hear your teacher read in particular, also Performer, since I already have meta with Varsoon and Creature, although I wouldn’t consider myself anywhere adept at being a confident Varsoon reader at this point. I feel pretty confident I can read Creature though.

Anyway, I’m liking you so far.

[Irrelephant11]

{shoshin, the worst, almost nancy} always town
{skitter,

nauci

}
{

keyser

, creature}
{varsoon, saudade, teacher,

mitillos

} null
{performer,

xtoxm

}

bolded the ones that moved

[AlmostNancy]

Votecount 1.6

Shoshin(3)

~ teacher(1), Xtoxm(5), Performer(9)

Performer(3)

~ Shoshin(48), Irrelephant11(32), Nauci(17)

Xtoxm(1)

~ skitter30(18)

Varsoon(1)

~ the worst(48)


Not Voting (7): Creature(26), Keyser Söze(24), Not_Mafia(0), Mitillos(15), Saudade(15), Varsoon(35), AlmostNancy(38)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-12-13 17:13:43)

MOD REMINDERS

I believe I have identified the issue I noticed with the last vote count; this one should have accurate post counts.

FLAVOR

Spoiler:

Since I feel strongly about performer and/or xtoxm, this temporarily clears teacher in my eyes

How?

[Varsoon]

Varsoon, why do you treat early, 2-3 votewagons as if they must be accurate reads, or require extensive justification, or are in danger of leading to your lynch?

The fact that you're already talking about how you'd flip from having 2 page <10 votes on you gives me bad vibes, but maybe we just have wildly different early game philosophy. What's yours?

So do votes matter or don't they?
I'm of the mind they do.
So I will respond to them accordingly.

[Varsoon]

@Nauci: Baiting someone into exploding, especially when you know that player explodes and looks bad for it as town, is not great play and, is, in fact, really scummy play.

That's not what I did, nor is it what Nauci's talking about.

You literally called for my policy lynch on D1.
Did you not think I would respond to that?