Open 738: Purgatory | LA FIN

[Keyser Söze]

I strongly want to go to heaven today now (which in turn, means I don’t want TW in heaven THIS heaven phase).

[LabRat01]

why d0 y0u want t0 g0 t0 heaven? y0u're aIs0 TRing TW, right?

[LabRat01]

if y0u think that y0u're g0nna get Iynched t0 heaven anyways, why d0n't y0u want t0 wait with it

[LabRat01]

I mean, I d0n't kn0w ab0ut the rest, but it d0es matter t0 me, s0 if y0u c0uId st0p y0urseIf fr0m 0sting Iike that, I'd be gIad

[LabRat01]

I would like to send volxen to heaven please

how does volx play as scum?

without nuance
haha to explain further he seems to really struggle as scum to come up with thought-out reasoning for his reads. His reads aren't perfect but the amount of thought that goes into them shows a lot about his alignment (I think he's almost certainly town here)

stupid internetttt let me postttt


Still don't really understand volxen's scumread of labrat? Like it seemed like it came from "there has to be 1 scum in {tw, labrat}" and imo tw is scummier here

Tbh returning t0 that p0st it s0 satisfying
I kn0w that I might be reading a bit t00 much int0 the “taIking in 3-rd pers0n” thing, but it d0es feeI 0ff t0 me that Irre w0uId change his t0ne when interacting with v0Ix with0ut any read-change

Pr0b n0t the str0ngest argument ever, but it makes m0re sense t0 me as a SvS distancing interacti0n
As SvT, that w0uId be just shade…

[LabRat01]

Tw is probably town based on the lack of any wagon - while I don't doubt scum could be WIFOMING there, I think thats much less unlikely than them leaving a wagon sit there.

I think this is a pretty meh wagonomics read, only three of us have shown any interest in voting him and I pulled it together really quickly by asking them to vote him i.e. I think it's definitely possible tw is scum with 2-3 town on-wagon. Actually if he's scum it's probably always with one of keyser/labrat given scum would not feel in-danger at all if they can shift momentum at their leisure
meh maybe that's too picky a read but overall I still think this is a bad reason to townread tw

I also have definitely gotten pocket-y vibes from him regarding your slot

("so pure!!!!" iirc?).

Ima0, Irre distancing fr0m DrJ whiIe saying that "TW has been sucking up/trying t0 p0cket DrJ" w0uId feeI reaIIy b0Id as SvSvS

besides, Irre was SRing TW hard since the beginning 0f the game and TW didn't reaIIy seem t0 be giving a shit and was just f0cusing 0n his 0wn reads

I'm n0t g0nna qu0te the p0sts rn, but that's n0t SvS
it w0uId have been pure cha0s as SvS im0

[LabRat01]

tbh that argument is weaker than the individuaI read, but the m0re, the merrier, s0 /shrug

[LabRat01]

this is what i feel needs to happen for heaven phase

Heaven 1: send the towniest person we can spare(basically mislynch bait)
Hell 1: hopefully scum, but if town its ok
Heaven 2: this is when it gets interesting with this amount of players, ESPECIALLY if we put town into both heaven and hell phase 1.
IF we send another mislynch bait we can spare to heaven, then thats 3 townies down and puts us into judgement day, with the experienced players left and only the inexperienced ones to solve in judgement day, where the thread is closed.
IF we send a super towny experienced player(im not naming any names but Irrelephant for example) they will do better in judgement day, but we will have a mislynch bait player in the thread maybe? but hopefully we feel good enough with it how it is.

IF we lynch town to hell Phase 1, i suggest putting experienced player to heavem
IF we lynch scum to hell Phase 1, i suggest putting towny/spareable player to heaven and continuing from there.

sorry if any of these offend you, im just using the words for lack of better

I stiII think that Erag0n “n0t wanting t0 sh0w 0ff their kn0wIedge” and f0rgetting ab0ut it during the first heaven phase is t0wn indicative
Tbh it pr0b d0es matter m0re t0 me than it sh0uId, but it reaIIy d0es make much m0re sense t0 me t0 c0me fr0m t0wn!erag0n than scum!erag0n

N0w that I think 0f it, it's unreIated, but rick did it in the T0S purgat0ry as weII :/ If I remember it right, that was the main reas0n f0r the heaven-scum Iynch Heav2

[LabRat01]

So what do you think about Dr.J?

I feel some of their pushes have been opportunistic and surface leve scummy, although I haven’t gone deep.

[written just right after repIacing in and IS0ing creat)
Tbh that is rather t0wnie :/
He 0bvi0usIy hasn’t read the thread yet back then, s0 it w0uId have been a rather b0Id m0ve t0 just start p0inting fingers at their teammate with0ut having any kn0wIedge 0f what the 0ther pIayers think ab0ut them

He w0uId have been perfectIy fine with n0t d0ing anything tiII he catches up, cuz he just repIaced in and n0 0ne was expecting anything fr0m him yet anyways, yet he decided t0 suddenIy start a c0nversati0n ab0ut their teammate...

I mean, he c0uId have been t0Id t0 bus by the 0ther scum 0n the scum chat, but it stiII feeIs m0re Iike a t0wnie thing t0 d0

Ok.

Yea, I can see that, i’ll Look into it when I have time.
One thing, what do you mean “timing between the push”?

It makes sense overall, if surface level slight cherrypicking(using this instead of opportunistic based of combination) is normal for korina/lcPl/Dr.J then I think they might be a bit towny?

As I said I’ll look into t more later, but if that’s their play style than They’re probably town

And the 180 fr0m “sIight distancing“ t0 ”yeah, the I0gic makes sense, I'II I00k int0 it” feeIs naturaI
idk, pr0b n0t a str0ng reas0ning, but I Iike it

[LabRat01]

that's it as f0r page 1
3 m0re t0 g0, but that's n0t a thing I'm g0nna d0 rn

bye

[LabRat01]

I can stiII p0p in if s0me0ne wants t0 taIk ab0ut t0day's Iynch cuz there isn't much time Ieft tiII E0D, but if it's anything eIse, pIease ask me Iater
thx

[LabRat01]

Iast thing

@Manatee, Erag0n sh0uId get pr0dded

[and ausuka sh0uId be pr0dded in ar0und 4 h0urs)

...being an ass is weirdIy satisfying
yw

[the worst]

LAAABBBBYYYYYYYYY!!! welcome back

[the worst]

I would like to hear LabRats thoughts on me and you in the next 12 hours hopefully too.


@TW - describe your interactions with Relly and Dr J on D1...

what interactions?
I can't remember tbh

[the worst]

Was that a hammer?

[the worst]

Hell volxen tomorrow like 7 times out of 10. He might be town but he's doing nothing to show it atm.

Don't compromise on Keyser for heaven 3 either imo

[Ausuka]

Yeah, I didn't like Volxen's vote there on TW.
Volxen should be voting in:

"At the moment I am convinced that {Keyser, Eragon} are town"

This is no time to act in pride and prove a point to a player you're not even hard town reading... it's reckless...


Scum only need one more player in heaven, correct?

My concern is that if TW is town, he is wrong on one of Labrat or Ausuka, but I don't know if he will ever see that. His plan is to lynch me in the next hell phase, and then after I flip green he will want to lynch Eragon in the next one. That is his "plan" that he has laid out repeatedly.

Keyser you are my strongest townread, but I'm also concerned that TW might cost us the game because I believe he has locktowned scum. I don't want the martyrs to have to choose between lynching Labrat or Ausuka on judgement day.

If you and TW are both town, I would prefer for you to stick around in the game. And Eragon is hard townreading TW, so I'm taking that into account, and I do believe this could just be town!TW hard tunneling me as he has done this before as town.

This last part doesn't make sense though. If you trust Eragon's read on tw doesn't it logically follow to also follow tw, being town, on his Labby and me townreads? I don't see what's special about Eragon's read on tw and I don't like your turnaround on him just because he's likely to lynch you? Sending him up to heaven wouldn't eliminate him anyway. Worst would become a martyr and the final decision if we get there wouldn't be able to go ahead without his approval.

[Ausuka]

Yeah I'm planning to vote keyser for heaven 3 if we get there.

[LabRat01]

LAAABBBBYYYYYYYYY!!! welcome back

[LabRat01]

hehe, I knew I'd be right

[Keyser Söze]

Send me to heaven this phase ladies and gents x

[LabRat01]

I reaIIy agree with Ausuka's read 0n keyser btw
her read 0n him c0ntained Iike every singIe thing that ever bugged me ab0ut him. A bit m0re tbh

I d0n't kn0w h0w he pIayed scum bef0re, but if he cares ab0ut it, I d0n't think it w0uId be that hard f0r him t0 change it
if he d0es tend t0 think a I0t bef0re writing his p0sts anyways and unIess scum!he just gets fr0en, his scum game sh0uId jut impr0ve naturaIIy...
...i think
idk, I mean, that's h0w it w0rks f0r me, s0 it sh0uId w0rk simiIarIy f0r 0ther pIayers with a simiIar meta

and Irre's Iatest p0sts interacti0ns with him were reaIIy weird

After I flip make volxen explain himself, but he's still probably not the scum on my wagon

I wonder if the reason so many people were bothered with the strong meta townread on volxen was because scum knew he'd flip scum someday,

like the reverse of what xwing did when shading Shoshin in this game that just ended
I kept feeling like I was being asked to explain my townread volxen more and defend him harder while also simultaneously being scumread for it which never made sense to me

otoh it would be very very sad if both phase 2 wagons were scum and I do still townread volxen's early posts in retrospect (not his recent play though)
idek

it kinda feeIs as if he panicked at E0D, bef0re getting Iynched
0r idrk, but the fIip-fI0ps feeI just weird

the arguments I wr0te bef0re repIacing 0ut ab0ut V0Ix being scum weren't even that str0ng, s0 seeing such a str0ng fIuctuati0n did feeI a bit 0ff t0 me

and his Iatest p0sts were Iike a cherry 0n the t0p 0f a cake
seri0usIy, that was just s0 satysfying t0 read

[LabRat01]

Send me to heaven this phase ladies and gents x

:eye_r0II:

[Keyser Söze]

and Irre's Iatest p0sts interacti0ns with him were reaIIy weird

My posts were righteous
Relly had been caught

Do you want me ever in heaven?

[LabRat01]

tbh, rn n0, I'd rather send erag0n