Starcraft Mafia -- Game Over!

[Creature]

VC here

<3 Creature -- Krazy's VC below:

Votecount 1.8

Performer(4)

~ Shoshin(61), Irrelephant11(49), Nauci(37), Varsoon(54)

Shoshin(3)

~ teacher(1), Xtoxm(8), Performer(13)

Xtoxm(1)

~ skitter30(27)

Varsoon(1)

~ the worst(61)


Not Voting (6): Creature(49), Keyser Söze(25), Not_Mafia(0), Mitillos(24), Saudade(15), AlmostNancy(57)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-12-13 17:15:26)

MOD REMINDERS

For the record, there actually haven't been any vote changes since the last vote count, but I think it's still handy to have one every few pages. Normally I wouldn't edit in a vote count, but since there's no changes anyway (other than in post count), I'll leave this here for convenience

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Spoiler:

[Varsoon]

@Varsoon: Is your calling Shoshin town sincere, or are you still upset about the policy lynch thing (or possibly something else)? If it is sincere, please explain your read on her.

Shoshin's 99.9% town, didn't you read Irrel's post?

[Nauci]

I don't know what you're talking about with PGE and arsons

It was all the result of the Camp Fire

I’m talking about it on a wider scale than just that Camp Fire in Butte County – in terms of the fires in CA. with so many wildfires even happening in cold weather, I , friends, and others, refuse to believe it's just "natural" - that's nonsense.
there was news about PGE messing things up too.

Is it really that hard to work out a system of having people monitoring and taking care of those areas , right? So poor management from PGE is 1 of the issues . They need to be held accountable (with actionable repercussions), JUST like the san bruno explosion . people's pets lost , lives lost , property lost, and so on. Imagine if your or my s.o. were lost due to the fire. It's outrageous for sources to say they're just natural causes.

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And uh - that was an actual mistake I made during rvs , which mitil made me aware of since I wasnt aware of.

Also FoS on tw, I don’t even understand his vote on me .

It's kind of baffling that you propose a policy lynch on me and when Irrel + The Worst + Performer deny it outright

Fixed.

I dont like policy lynching (and for that matter I dont believe in the notion of "too scummy to be scum")

Further self conscious posting that makes me suspicious af

What in the?? Self conscious, what are you talking about!???

sr added : nauci

Let's not talk get into a conversation about how federal/private forest land management or climate change works (☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞

[Creature]

Cool ms is eating my posts

[the worst]

shoshin, tw - teacher read?

very very null, but maybe slightly south of - given the pace I think I'm gonna need him for some real time interactions this game.

Tbf his opening post didn't have a lot to go by

how are you feeling about him?

also I'm getting bored of reactive catchup

what if I told you I just have a lot of townreads and want all my townreads to townread me...

as town

pedit: above is @keyser
I wasn't part of that mislynch
I'm neither townreading or scumreading varsoon here (as my readslists show)

fair af
I just had a ~~moment~~ because I think the defence of him I saw HERE is what I was waiting to see happen in THAT game if that makes sense

though in fairness I wasn't all that upset you didn't hard defend him last time

[Varsoon]

But that's clearly because I am threatened scum who must undermine your town efforts to consolidate power.
Definitely.
It's not because I suspect that there's scum in the block.

do you still think shoshin is scum? ifnot, who's scum in irrel's proposed townbloc?

I do suspect that at least one of Irrel, Shoshin, AlmostNancy, and TheWorst is scum, yes.

why do you think there's scum in this group?

@varsoon please

(i'm aware that you think shoshin is 99.9% town and that you will be following her to the ends of the earth, etc; i'm more intersted in who you think is scum and why you think there's scum in the group)

When I wrote that I figured it'd be between Irrel, Shoshin, and AlmostNancy.
Now though, I believe in all of them!
Viva la townblock!

[Creature]

the attitude coming from many players is totally disgusting

Had asked about this earlier

[the worst]

viewtopic.php?t=77508
here is my other game I played with varsoon, shoshin (aside from TAZ)

I will read up on more of his meta, though.

Tbf you mislynched Varsoon in this game where I thought he was substantially more towny than he is here.

How confident are you in your townread?

Krazy, a Night 0 Redshirt

, has been Killed in Pre-Game

Day One Begins

Town[//quote]
Krazy town irl

Your broken quote turned me a mod

VC here

This is hilarious :']

[Keyser Söze]

what if I told you I just have a lot of townreads and want all my townreads to townread me...

as town

I feel you should be more paranoid / town-cautious.

It's like you've thrown down a town block and you sit pretty within it (players also town reading you).

And then are a list of 4-5 players (probably me on the edge or dipping into it) in everyone's PoE right now. It doesnt feel right.

[the worst]

@Irrelephant: Aww, you ruined it now.
UNVOTE: Irrelephant11 222 was 100% town, and the previous stuff wasn't bad either.
I will note that ignoring SI games is valid, because you have additional... responsibilities if you will, which could easily affect your playstyle. Also, games where you joined late wouldn't have told me if you wagonhop in RVS. However, you're right, what I did was definitely agenda-y:
worst probtown for posts 116 and 159 (amongst others). I'm ambivalent about Nauci for post 179. To those who play with her a lot: Is she always particularly careful and deliberating, or is she more like this as one alignment than others? I want to townread her for it, but I don't want to be biased just because I like her playstyle.
Shoshin is still town.

...oo
this is really towny

[Performer]

does anything change if i told you that i saw town!varsoon and town!shoshin previously have a similar fight to this and she wrote him off as scum there and tried to lynch him?

hi skitter.

I dont see how a previous game changes what I'm seeing in this game, especially in regard to who's voting me & why. Also, vars fights as any alignment - scum, third party, town, you name it.

I'm not as familiar with shos - and what I saw from irrel's 2 games , the similarity I saw from skimming is that she bare posts a ton. Those were just from town games of hers but not scum game meta.

[the worst]

This is a post that only exists so that Krazy can take the pagetop on the next page

[the worst]

VOTE: shosin

I was already getting scum vibes from calling a bunch of different people town for no reason and campaigning for a policy lynch is just a dick move

which read/s do you disagree with?
I get policy lynches are frowned upon but given her explanation do you think it's wolf indicative?
Do you think wolf!Shoshin calls for a policy lynch on a widely liked/respected player like Harpoon?

[Nauci]

@Relly, I think I owe you this. Gonna dump it all down in one post on why I'm having bad feels with you:-

Expressing early/easy town reads (pocketing):

Creature is town

the worst is town, shoshin is town
skitter is more likely town than not
creature is probtown unless his claim is real, in which case lol

Because she's obvtown

Sheeping a vote/wagon (buddying):

Wanna wagon VOTE: mitillos with me though?

shoshin your point is fair but now who do I wagon

Too defensive of his own meta:

mitillos if you haven't figured it out I like wagons

So the scum game you found, I started the game as a lone Mafioso. I was later recruited by RCEnigma, so my unvote of him at the start of the game was uninformed (as uninformed as I am here) and not partner-indicative. Regardless, this is literally "I am cherry picking three of your games (excluding a bunch of them for no discernible reason - why would I play significantly different as IC, for example?) and you did this one thing as scum one time and you're doing it here; therefore, scum." Oh wait, also "an OMGUS vote". Do you believe in this read? You haven't tried to sell anyone on it. Are you just happy to feel like you can justify voting me, or?

Hard-defending 'town' - potential TMI'ing - pocketing attempt:

but I am here to say that Shoshin is scum .01% of the time here and you should find someone else to wagon

Vote me before shoshin, please - at least my role is negative utility

honestly I think the moral of the story is shoshin/almostnancy/theworst should be the unbreakable townblock for the entire game

{shoshin, the worst, almost nancy} always town

Keyser which of those three reads shouldn't be in the townblock?

the caveat on my reads is that I have townleaned friends who do not deserve it before because I like them

-if you're still talking about scumreading shoshin, lynch me. When I flip town, you are not allowed to place another vote on shoshin. This is @ the entire playerlist.

{shoshin, the worst, almost nancy} always town

This is my tin-foil hat suspicion:

oh nvm he's town
I super like 109, 150, 175 for town!him, though his paranoia of me is interesting and I'm curious to see where it will go

What's the best way to pocket someone suspicious of you...? Town read them.


Thoughts?

I've seen townrelephant exhibit these behaviors in every game I've seen townrelephant

He's infectiously cheerful to the point of paranoia driving pocketing as a personality

[the worst]

I dont like the way shoshin voted skitter, later voted me, then when vars came back to talk about shosh, shes still on me while saying votes on vars is good (sounds like setting up) , soon after she flies straight from me onto scatman without addressing posts. Makes me think, "coasting mafia. "
And her confidence in scatman being scum and saying he's doing a pointless debate - the posts from vars dont look like pointless debate, it actually looks like shoshin is just writing vars off as scum.
VOTE: Shoshin

This is the kind of thing that objectively never catches scum but I think it's actually a tiny bit towny

[the worst]

nnnhhhh I can't wait to catch up to that keyser v Irrelephant post

[Irrelephant11]

@Varsoon: Is your calling Shoshin town sincere, or are you still upset about the policy lynch thing (or possibly something else)? If it is sincere, please explain your read on her.

Shoshin's 99.9% town, didn't you read Irrel's post?

I don't have ill will towards you, and I came into this game excited to play with the Varsoon who is eagerly trying to improve his ability to get along with other players & play well by joining more newbie games. Please stop giving your best effort to get me to be angry with you.

Keyser, I agree that it's very possible that the gamestate is indicative of 1-2 wolves collecting townreads they don't deserve. I don't understand either (1) why that's more likely me than anyone else or (2) why did I set up this sentence to have two parts, I don't think I have a second part

[the worst]

P-EDIT:

Everything above the pedit is cringe
Everything below the pedit is locktown-irl

Varsoon I think you're really caught up on like holistic meta stuff and I'm like... not all that interested in it.... do you think the reads have been bad? maliciously intended? which ones? why?

[Mitillos]

@Varsoon: Your response tells me that you really don't give a shit right now whether we figure out who is scum or not. You really are making it very difficult to take you seriously and not just dismiss you as functionally anti-town. Mafia is a co-operative game. If you are town, how about you try some calm sincerity? Then the rest of us can see and evaluate your reads, and either vote like you, or voice our disagreements. If you just want to go with what Shoshin says because you expect her to be wrong and want to gloat about it after the fact, then you're just screwing the rest of us over for your personal vendetta. If you're just upset now and you can make it pass, please hurry up and do. Either way, I await honest responses to my questions, once you are ready.

[Irrelephant11]

Keyser, as for my self-meta-stuff, what would your reaction be if someone was like "well Keyser is always easily townread by everyone in every game, and that's not happening here, so he's scum"
Like?? mitillos literally scumcased me by using meta that was just patently untrue, I wanted the record set straight

[the worst]

VOTE: Performer

I see why

pedit: VOTE: Performer

Interested to hear why you voted perf here rel

[Irrelephant11]

because shoshin did

[Nauci]

I'm town reading mitillos and Nancy

And I think that the less active players need a chance to catch up so maybe Irrelephant and your town block can slow down a little so saudade/teacher/etc. can't just cry "too much to read I give up" and continue lurking maybe? I'm going to actually stop now for said reason.

[AlmostNancy]

1b. Sexual innuendo toward other players will result in a moderator warning.

Right. No hinting or suggestive comments. How about the direct explicit ones though? I always go for the naked truth.

2b.

Do not state, whether honest or false, that you have not read your role pm

in-thread.

Now I'm confused. First you say no innuendo, but now you say no stating something. Which is it?

Scum can night kill their teammates, but I must see evidence that such a move is not game-throwing.

You mean like.. they should provide surveillance camera feed that they caught their teammates stealing from the gang?

4a. Gifs this size are ok, any larger should be spoilered:

i.e. gifs this size should be spoilered:

Spoiler:

Spoiler: U Can't Touch This

GOTCHA!

Breadcrumbs are generally okay.

I always follow the rules to the letter.

2. Do not edit or delete your post if for some reason you have the ability to do so.

I cannot follow this rule unless you give me editing rights. Only THEN can I willingly refrain from doing so.

5. Trust tells are prohibited.

Trust me. I won't tell.

7. No Bah! posts.

BAH! God, I HATE this rule!

1. Follow the spirit of the rules.

I got me a connection

8a. Do not state that you have not been reading the game.

What fool would believe me if I said that after this post??

Matt Horner

Oh, behave!



I loved the name though.

Spoiler: Off Topic / Irrelevant

Flips may in some cases include the kill action type.

So the 3P is a Serial Killer.

@Nauci:

Re 179 re 106 I think same team/side is the right usage here considering Xtoxm is indicating he doesn't know Varsoon's alignment. For one thing, if they were together in a non-Town team he'd know it already, and for another he says the 7th attempt which could mean they rolled scum in the same game but not on the same team. In short, that phrasing is NAI to me.

VOTE: Harpoon
first person to ask why I'm joining this wagon gets a broken nose xox

Did anyone ask that yet? Because I don't want a broken nose between my glasses and my bad teeth.

i did say on page 5 that im not reading the first 5 pages

Did you read the rules? You can ignore reading the whole damn thing but you can't

say

you're not reading. In other words LIE to get by.

Ах ты корова....

עד מתי נוב12

OK, I'll read the rest of the thread and leave notes (if any) for Nancy in the hydra PT.

[Performer]

Irrelephant, the worst, Nauci

As a starting point, does anyone disagree with my townreads?

Yes

she has the one scumgame,

can you link me it?

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Also FoS on

add irrel as well to FoS. In the game we were in, I don't remember him just naked voting like he did on me.

Spoiler: let me remind you :)

Hot take: vca tells me one or two of scum are in vex/skitter/enigma
Postcounts tell me skitter/ruru/the worst/vex are town
This is a cheap read but I want my slot to be readable and for this game to be playable as fast as possible

VOTE: enigma

hypo-claim no result (either roleblocked or checked A50)

I mean I don't think it is possible to get a lynch on duckling happening in <48 hours. I'm pretty sold that I want to see Frank and/or CJ flip at this stage and it would take a bit of convincing to move enough people onto counter wagons before EOD

Can we just lynch one of CJ and frank, and move onto other stuff the next day? There is no plurality this game. This day is nearly two weeks already....
If Frank/CJ flip town, my bet is on at least one scum in the lurkers/non-voters HWS, GE, BuJ

I think it's time for frank to claim

Someone 2nd this please

we still have to deal with vig things before eod

ceejay shouldn't claim before frank (or we should be lynching ceejay)

there are also a couple posts I want to make before eod and before ceejay claims and I'm busy tomorrow

VOTE: Alonzo

okay that time the misplaced quotes are definitely my fault lol

VOTE: enigma

Ps I think it’s best if town don’t cc today, or at least until the claim process has finished - we still need to decide if we will lynch or not today. Make an strategic decision on counter claiming, especially if you are investigative, based on other claimed TPRs.

^^ does scum post like this?

this is a good point
I think I'm ready for VOTE: BuJaber

none of those look like naked voting