Mini Normal 2045: Boba Tea Mafia [Game Over]

[Elbirn]

Hate to go against the grain here but what you're saying about doughboy is half baked

VOTE: BreadEyedFish

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

I'm a sucker for puns
And wordplay
So let's uh...watch..the yeast...rise? On this wagon?

Yeah.

Hi everyone btw

[Elbirn]

Good morning

Do you wish me a good morning, or mean that it is a good morning whether I want it or not; or that you feel good this morning; or that it is a morning to be good on?

If Dough says it's morning then it's morning.

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

You have quite a lot of faith in Dough despite not understanding his meaning. Why are you so quick to take his side?

[Elbirn]

Real question though, who voted to make it start on Friday but hasnt showed up yet? Seems counter productive.

Do you think it'd be scummy to vote for an after Thanksgiving start and not be here yet? Or are you just saying words?

[Elbirn]

Spring, just for future reference and so I can see what your mindset is coming into this, is this your first game on site? Have you played mafia before? Are you by chance an alt (if you're willing to say?)

I just mention cuz I see you have like 7 posts on your account and I wanna make sure beforehand so theres no misunderstandings

[Elbirn]

Gut seems like a weird reason to use at the moment. Or is this still in the RVS stage? (Thanks again to the Moderator).

RVS I feel is really..subjective. theres not really a defined start/end per se, its just the "content" that's being made before anyone has anything solid to latch onto. RVS basically ends for you as soon as you decide it does. I'm an advocate for moving out of it as quickly as possible.

As far as voting based on gut goes, boy are you gonna hate me when I start playing based on my mother's intuition and sense of smell

Profii is a good vote.

This sounds like someone who has moved out of RVS - because?

Are you discouraging dolittle from ending RVS, or should this be read as just a complaint about a vote on you?

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Vote: Profii

Good afternoon. That was very passive aggressive of you, Profii.

no, I think Springtrap is legit being deceptive. I'm happy to say that straight.

I dunno man. It's day 1, the party's just gettin' started.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TexdoesHalo

Speaking of gut plays this post feels really gross to me but I'm evidently incapable of articulating why

[Elbirn]

it's either Tex chainsaw defending Springtrap (meaning they're both scum)
or
Tex just doesn't scum read Springtrap (meaning at least Tex is town)

surely?

I thought about the first, yeah, but I dont read spring as scum and I'm wary of making associations this early and without a flip. It's the sort of thing I'd look back on later but aside from that *shrug*

I more so get a feeling that it's really sketchy to be so dismissive of someone with "well its early, it's still day 1, etc." Because its counter productive to having good conversation and setting a bar for discourse that cant be crossed. Suddenly we're all standing around staring at each other like "dude idk, it's only day 1, so theres no info!". Not to mention that he does this without engaging with what you said, just chucks it out like "nah b"

[Elbirn]

If I'm scum I'm looking to shut down conversation, and if I get to defend newbtown while I'm at it then all the better

[Elbirn]

Ceejay vote for Tex with me

[Elbirn]

thinking about putting the inaugural vote on bef

Can you talk about why and/or actually vote for him?

[Elbirn]

Elbirn is this your mother's intuition or your sense of smell at work?

Hopefully I can figure something out here, but it seems flips are the main way to know what to look for afterwards.

I'll open myself up to talk and ask questions I guess, so ask me anything.

This ones my mothers intuition, aka gut. And for reasons I elaborated on earlier.

Flips are going to be basically all the concrete information we have; but mafia is about playing with assumptions, beliefs, and hunches based on plausibilities. I'm sure this sentence meant nothing, because nothing turns on my pompous pseudointellectual side like mafia does. The point is, you're not going to have all of the puzzle pieces, and you have to do some guess work at times. Therefore, dont do nothing because you have no info, because unless you're scum youre not gonna have much of it.

Hey lets make this post something instead of waxing philosophic: youre voting for Proffi right now. Apologies if I've missed why that is; can you elaborate on your vote? Is it just because he voted you, or do you have reasons for thinking hes scum?

[Elbirn]

Bruh, gross? I dunno about you but I'm just here to have some fun and hopefully not die. I'm genuinely new to this site and I'm simply trying to learn how to play this damn game. I have experience with Mafia/Werewolf in real life but I've never played it online before. Imma fucking noob.

I'm also here to have fun, and I'm certainly not here to be a meanie doodie head to anyone, I'm hoping we all have a grand old time and I apologize if I come across otherwise. That being said, im not gonna shy away from twisting someone's arm if I think they're scum, and I think you might be :/

I think its telling that your mindset right now is on "not dying". And making emotional appeals based on being a noob. Scum are invested in self preservation; townies are invested in finding scum.

If I shouldnt be voting for you, who should I be voting for?

[Elbirn]

for the record I am voting the person I would most like to be lynched so i am already doing stuff.

Meta. This isn’t town profli based on my personal experience and games I’ve read from him.

What is it about profii that you dislike this game? I understand gut and first impressions and all of that but you should be able to follow your gut and elaborate on it.

Is it profii's push on springtrap?

What is your read on springtrap?

[Elbirn]

VOTE: ceejay

Ceejay vote for Tex with me

Why ceejay and not me?

and why not me

VOTE: texdoeshalo

I like wagons.

Same here!

....Oh.

You're an alt that only sheeps and joins the largest wagon.

[Elbirn]

....Oh.

You're an alt that

only sheeps and joins the largest wagon

.

meticulous and perceptive!

but regarding the bolded part, you'll just have to wait and see!


at times, I have problems deciding who to vote and what wagon to join...so I resort to

sheeping

a townread!

FOUR LEGS GOOD
TWO LEGS BAD

[Elbirn]

I think we scared Tex away.

[Elbirn]

I think I realized what i was doing wrong and am now correcting my course. Reading text makes it harder sometimes to tell serious from silly, but I don't know if Tex is the right option at the moment. I think we got enough time for more discussion.

Do you have a townread on Tex? What are your thoughts on him?

[Elbirn]

Hi Doughboy!

for the record I am voting the person I would most like to be lynched so i am already doing stuff.

Meta. This isn’t town profli based on my personal experience and games I’ve read from him.

What is it about profii that you dislike this game? I understand gut and first impressions and all of that but you should be able to follow your gut and elaborate on it.

Is it profii's push on springtrap?

What is your read on springtrap?

[Elbirn]

TBf I can understand Doughboys meta read on me - in the games we’ve been in together I’ve not been this driven this early

I’d probably just point out I saw an oppurtunity to move us out of RVS with the initial spring push & if you don’t push with conviction what’s the point

But town read for doughboy from me

Kinda in 2 minds about tex being legit new or not rn but will look at the wagon when I’m not VLa as I think some people have show their hand a wee bit

Well that's fine and well but I'd like to hear that from Doughboy, respectfully. Tryna engage with the boy..

Why do you townread doughboy tho, just his suspicion of you?

[Elbirn]

It’s ok. I can wait for an answer

You are supposed to answer...

How am I supposed to answer my own question?

Hi Doughboy!

for the record I am voting the person I would most like to be lynched so i am already doing stuff.

Meta. This isn’t town profli based on my personal experience and games I’ve read from him.

What is it about profii that you dislike this game? I understand gut and first impressions and all of that but you should be able to follow your gut and elaborate on it.

Is it profii's push on springtrap?

What is your read on springtrap?

Hey yeah this but I'll restate it more clearly.

Why do you scumread profii. what about his meta is different? Is your read only meta based, or are there other things you dislike?

[Elbirn]

Meta. This isn’t town profli based on my personal experience and games I’ve read from him.

What's different about his play here so far?

Idk. Hard to put into words.

This you mean?

Pedit: I see your last post and that does help answer my questions, yes yes thank thank.

If I can ask you another question though, what do you think about Springtrap?

[Elbirn]

the people voting text, can you tell me why please?

Now can I sit and wait for this to be answered?

I still haven’t caught up yet. I don’t even have a good excuse for why I haven’t. Lack of cares right now and pot are keeping me from reading. Let me get past Wednesday and I’ll force myself to sit down and deal with sorting people. It is day 1 so no rush imo.

You're a lot more coherent stoned than I am, no worries, come back clear headed when you can friendo.

I'm voting for Tex for two reasons

1. He had a gross post earlier that I latched onto as being scummy, where he chainsawed for spring and tried to shut down conversation. Really didn't like that and it seemed a good starting point for conversation

2. I want him to play the game

Reason #2 is really counterproductive seeing as how Tex's response to pressure is to disappear, apparently..

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:

Wait for a replacement I guess.

This games a weird start for me. Very slow paced and not very much progress being made, and I can't tell if that's the fault of lurkers or if this is just how mini games are and I've just been used to playing frantic large themes where I cant seem to keep up with the pace :/

[Elbirn]

thinking about putting the inaugural vote on bef

Can you talk about why and/or actually vote for him?

cause bef gets voted day 1 and his posts are strange and therefore seems scummy (c.f. the whole vote unvote business rn)
but i think he might be town today.

Ya know reading this again I realized

None of this was a reason for why dolittle would have been thinking about voting bef. Its...the opposite. Its reasoning to not vote for bef.

"I'm thinking about voting for someone who I know has a tendency to appear scummy when town and who I also townread"

HaHA nah B you're going to the shadow realm

VOTE: Dr Dolittle

[Elbirn]

I'm not really in the mood to play today but I've been lurkylurky

Happy to see theres actual conversation, I'm proud of all of you, for a little while there I of all people had the highest post count and that is always a reason for ~*worry*~

Lolwagons can be town today, even if hes trying to tie me and BEF together based on my not answering what was clearly a rhetorical question

Idk what I think about Trivium

Okay bye thats all today ily all

[Elbirn]

I hope not, I spent a lot of time waxing philosophic to the boy hoping he'd be useful, maybe learn a thing or two

[Elbirn]

...that was in response to ruby, a lack of pedit ruined my post

I'm not capable of being useful right now but I see that 3 day deadline and I solemnly swear to give a fuck about it

[Elbirn]

You walked into this game going for me, which is weird, but everyone gets an opinion. I guess i can ask you who'd be my partners if I did flip scum, Ruby.

Or are You only saying I'm scum and not looking elsewhere?

Oh

Wait are you scum?

[Elbirn]

alright idk if someone told you about what i said in scumchat or something but you're towning it up a lot more than before

could you take a look at spring's slot and let me know what you think? i think there's decent odd's he's wolf here

I hope not, I spent a lot of time waxing philosophic to the boy hoping he'd be useful, maybe learn a thing or two

This is gross

Like oops I posted in the wrong thread gross

*presses hands against face, blows raspberries*

[Elbirn]

I'm just going to put this out there, granted this happened almost 9 years ago, but I looked a little into lol's meta as slaxx and here is an interesting post I found.
Note the linked post is a game where lol (slaxx) subbed into a scum slot and his opening post is very similar to his opening post in this game with a full reads list.

viewtopic.php?p=2057883#p2057883

Same to you, you can color me unsurprised that someone replaced into a game and had a catchup reads list. Not to mention that Meta only works if you can verify that someone only does something as one alignment and not the other.

[Elbirn]

Like if hes scummy because of his reads list it's going to be because of its content in this game, not because 9 years ago he played scum and replaced in with a readslist. What about his post smells like scum to you?

[Elbirn]

But that's a little bit like if you went into one of my previous games and went "aha! Elbirn only plays inebriated when hes rolled scum, let's get em boys!", without verifying that I've done it in other scum games and not done it in town games. It's essentially a useless tidbit that's used to mislead.

If you really think that it could be a hint as to lol's alignment then you should be using that as a starting point and looking for something fishy in lol's reads post, instead of doubling down on "it's just meta".

[Elbirn]

Still need to work through some ISO’s but for now I still want profli lynched.

VOTE: profli

Mala is a good lynch also.

Ruby and lol read town today me. The rest idk yet.

The longer you push me for the simple reason of different meta the more I will think you are scum clinging on to one 'legitimate' read that you are 'getting away with'

Mainly because I don't know Lolwagon, but they summed it up perfectly here in 245

profii
Post 19 I like the early aggression here. Nice attempt to leave RVS quicker.

I was aggressive to get us out of RVS and actually play the game - if you meta dive me properly I think you will find examples of that.

Do you have any actual reasoning for thinking hes scummy or are you just being passive aggressive?

[Elbirn]

malakitty probwolf

who are you voting and why isn't it springtrap or malakitty

zzz someone come talk to me

Hewwo
Why do you think Mala is probwolf?

just because someone's lurking doesn't mean you ignore their contributions when they actually are here

and mala's posts when she does post are really bad

early on they're alright, but these are pretty fucking wolfy, especially in context:

Hm

setup speculation on page7 is a new one

Never seen that before

i mean you can call it a policy lynch if you want but i think it's just a scum lynch lmao

VOTE: malakitty

i wasn't joking about talking in scumchat

i was saying that someone, in scumchat, might have told

malakittens

about what i was saying (in the main thread) and so that could've caused a change in her play

but i don't think that's likely, she's towny

What is this progression I dont understand it help

[Elbirn]

...you are sheeping doughboy while criticizing his reasoning for voting trivium.

[Elbirn]

Dr do little and doughboy come in and shade me then both vote Trivium

Looks like they are trying to start a counter wagon to me

What would be gained from starting a counter wagon to you? I'm really not sure what you're trying to imply, if you're town then there cant really be a nefarious agenda to forming a counter wagon, scum would just let your mislynch happen.

[Elbirn]

He's flailing, I just dont know what if anything to make of it

Profi/doolittle/trivium

I'm feeling a lynch in those three

[Elbirn]

Dr do little and doughboy come in and shade me then both vote Trivium

Looks like they are trying to start a counter wagon to me

What would be gained from starting a counter wagon to you? I'm really not sure what you're trying to imply, if you're town then there cant really be a nefarious agenda to forming a counter wagon, scum would just let your mislynch happen.

Not quite

BEF is one of the top wagons - I’m happy he’s scummy and I said recently no ones convinced me otherwise.

Doughboy tried to shade me with DDL - to get people away from BEF - didn’t take off
Then they both vote Trivium - again to get people off BEF

It’s about saving BEF

I want to note real quick that I didn't understand the meaning of your original post, which I thought was "looks like they're forming a counter wagon to me (the wagon on me", and not "it looks like they're forming a counter wagon, in my opinion"

So I apologize for that. Honestly thought you were saying that others were trying to redirect pressure off of you, which there absolutely is even if theres not necessarily a wagon on you. Are there really no votes on you cuz I'm sure doughboy is voting you

As for the rest of your posts this morning, when I say you're flailing it kinda has something to do with how unabashedly reactionary you are. I stink eye in your general direction and now I'm one of your top 3 scumreads?

[Elbirn]

He's flailing, I just dont know what if anything to make of it

Profi/doolittle/trivium

I'm feeling a lynch in those three

You know what I lied

Give me BEF or Doolittle, I'll compromise on a dead BEF just to sort out this shitshow but I'm more enthusiastic for a dead Doolittle, sitting over there all high and mighty in that sweet spot of "Nobody likes him, plenty of people are shading him, but nobody's pressuring him"

[Elbirn]

I can respect needing to take a breather, but if you pop in tomorrow that leaves us with less than 24 hours to settle on a lynch

I'm very uncomfortable with playing with the deadline at less than a day, especially when we've got the possibility of claims/counter claims and all. I think we need to sort a lynch out like yesterday

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BrightEyedFish

L-2

[Elbirn]

he's pretty much universally acknowledged as an easy target to push on, and

we still are having trouble getting votes on him.

Could say the same about DDL, theres a lot of vocalized support in the direction of ddl being scum, or bef and ddl being scum together, but no votes are materializing on DDL.

I gave up because I'm fine compromising on BEF, but the inability to get a wagon there is like....why?

[Elbirn]

Doughboy is town and trivium pushing him is dumb, lolwagon is town and pushing him is dumb

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DrDooLittle

Let's make this happen, I dont know whether or not to believe BEF claim but I'm tired of seeing "I'll vote DDL if possible" but nobody does. Swing this wagon here, I'm really feeling this is the play and I'm gonna be really upset if we no lynch because some people are getting bigmad over vanity wagons on town

[Elbirn]

Yeah... wanted someone to fake hammer for reactions

It's okay profii I'll help

VOTE: DrDooLittle

[Elbirn]

Threadly reminder that all scum are going to claim a PR at L-1

I'm not really impressed by either of the claims we've gotten and I'm not surprised that both of the players in my scum pool claimed PR

[Elbirn]

I can.....sorta get that yeah. I'll be frank, I'm not sure which one is more optimal to lynch. If BEF is our jail keeper, that's probably our protective and investigative role right there, whereas DooLittle is either A. Scum, and you can color me unimpressed that he picked a killing role, it's not even a lie, or B. Town who is insisting right now that hes going to kill players I believe to be town. Vigs are nearly anti-town utility without confirmed guilties regardless.

[Elbirn]

Smh town is going to lose.

request replacement.

None of the PR claims should be lynched today. That’s just straight up common sense.

If both of them are actually town this confirms profli and triv are scum like I said.

Good riddance to this game.

Yeah you can go ahead and un-request replacement right now, sit down, and quit having a hissy fit because your vanity wagons are going nowhere. Theres scum in them there hills.

UNVOTE:

I'm a blithering idiot because vig is confirmable and the presence of one makes mafia likely to have a roleblocker/jail keeper. This is my intent to hammer BEF

[Elbirn]

Fuck it let's double day up VOTE: bef.
To compromise let's make this a double day and you can decide where I shoot

This tho idk what you're saying

[Elbirn]

Does anyone object to me hammering now? Nothing left to discuss? Kinda wanna do it now before I forget because my mind is the opposite of a steel trap, as evidence by me forgetting this game existed for 5 hours

[Elbirn]

Actually nah sorry I'm going to bed

VOTE: BEF

Hey Doolittle shoot mala

[Elbirn]

Spoiler: VoteCounts

LolWagons has replaced TexdoesHalo!

Ruby Red has replaced PenguinPower.

^ For Reference ^

VOTE COUNT 1.1

ceejayvinoya (3)

- BrightEyedFish, Egix96, Sad Sheep

BrightEyedFish (3)

- ceejayvinoya, Doughboy, Elbirn

profii (3)

- Springtrap, DrDolittle, TexdoesHalo

Springtrap (1)

- profii

PenguinPower (1)

- Malakitty

Not Voting (2):

PenguinPower, Trivium

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2018-12-04 00:00:00)

VOTE COUNT 1.2

TexdoesHalo (4)

- Elbirn, Trivium, ceejayvinoya, profii

profii (3)

- Springtrap, TexdoesHalo, Doughboy

ceejayvinoya (2)

- BrightEyedFish, Sad Sheep

Springtrap (1)

- Egix96

PenguinPower (1)

- Malakitty

Egix96 (1)

- DrDolittle

Not Voting (1)

: PenguinPower


With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2018-12-04 00:00:00)

PenguinPower has been prodded.

VOTE COUNT 1.3

TexdoesHalo (5)

- Elbirn, Trivium, ceejayvinoya, profii, Sad Sheep

L-2

profii (3)

- Springtrap, TexdoesHalo, Doughboy

Springtrap (1)

- Egix96

PenguinPower (1)

- Malakitty

Egix96 (1)

- DrDolittle

Not Voting (2)

: PenguinPower, BrightEyedFish


With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2018-12-04 00:00:00)

VOTE COUNT 1.4

TexdoesHalo (4)

- Elbirn, Trivium, profii, Sad Sheep

profii (4)

- Springtrap, TexdoesHalo, Doughboy, PenguinPower

Springtrap (1)

- Egix96

PenguinPower (1)

- Malakitty

Egix96 (1)

- DrDolittle

BrightEyedFish (1)

- ceejayvinoya

Not Voting (1)

: BrightEyedFish


With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2018-12-04 00:00:00)

TexdoesHalo has been prodded.

VOTE COUNT 1.5

Trivium (4)

- BrightEyedFish, Doughboy, Egix96, PenguinPower

TexdoesHalo (2)

- Trivium, profii

profii (2)

- Springtrap, TexdoesHalo

DrDolittle (1)

- Elbirn

PenguinPower (1)

- Malakitty

Egix96 (1)

- DrDolittle

BrightEyedFish (1)

- ceejayvinoya

Not Voting (1)

: Sad Sheep


With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2018-12-04 00:00:00)

Searching for replacement for TexdoesHalo.

VOTE COUNT 1.6

BrightEyedFish (3)

- ceejayvinoya, LolWagons, profii

LolWagons (3)

- Trivium, BrightEyedFish, Sad Sheep

Trivium (2)

- Doughboy, Egix96

DrDolittle (1)

- Elbirn

Ruby Red (1)

- Malakitty

Egix96 (1)

- DrDolittle

Springtrap(1)

- Ruby Red

Not Voting (1)

: Springtrap


With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2018-12-04 00:00:00)

VOTE COUNT 1.7

BrightEyedFish (4)

- ceejayvinoya, LolWagons, profii, Trivium

Trivium (3)

- Egix96, Doughboy, DrDolittle

LolWagons (2)

- BrightEyedFish, Sad Sheep

DrDolittle (1)

- Elbirn

Ruby Red (1)

- Malakitty

Springtrap(1)

- Ruby Red

Not Voting (1)

: Springtrap


With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2018-12-04 00:00:00)

VOTE COUNT 1.8

BrightEyedFish

(5): ceejayvinoya, LolWagons, profii, Trivium, Elbirn

L-2

Trivium

(3): Egix96, Doughboy, DrDolittle

LolWagons

(2): BrightEyedFish, Sad Sheep

Ruby Red

(1): Malakitty

Springtrap

(1): Ruby Red

Not Voting

(1): Springtrap

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2018-12-04 00:00:00)

VOTE COUNT 1.9

DrDolittle

(5): Egix96, BrightEyedFish, Trivium, Elbirn, Ruby Red

L-2

BrightEyedFish

(3): ceejayvinoya, LolWagons, profii

Springtrap

(1): DrDolittle

Trivium

(1): Doughboy

Ruby Red

(1): Malakitty

LolWagons

(1): Sad Sheep

Not Voting

(1): Springtrap

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2018-12-04 00:00:00)

ceejayvinoya has been prodded.

VOTE COUNT 1.10

BrightEyedFish

(6): ceejayvinoya, LolWagons, profii, Springtrap, DrDolittle, Trivium

L-1

DrDolittle

(3): Egix96, BrightEyedFish, Ruby Red

Ruby Red

(1): Malakitty

Trivium

(1): Doughboy

LolWagons

(1): Sad Sheep

Not Voting

(1): Elbirn

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2018-12-04 00:00:00)

Due to the fast-approaching deadline, I will begin to look for a replacement for Doughboy after Night 1 officially begins. Until then, he may still return to the game if he wishes to do so.

VOTE COUNT 1.11

BrightEyedFish

(7): ceejayvinoya, LolWagons, profii, Springtrap, DrDolittle, Trivium, Elbirn

LYNCH

DrDolittle

(3): Egix96, BrightEyedFish, Ruby Red

Ruby Red

(1): Malakitty

LolWagons

(1): Sad Sheep

Trivium

(1): Doughboy

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.


Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2018-12-04 00:00:00)

[Elbirn]

Counterwagons to BEF

1.1: ceejay, profi (depending on how serious you take rvs)
1.6: lolwagons
1.7: Trivium
1.8: trivium
1.9: Drdoolittle

Ceejay, lolwagons, and profi: consistently on BEF at the ending votecounts there.

My gut reaction says the scumpool is *drumroll*

egix/ruby/doughboy/trivium

But I need to think more, this is just off the top of my head. I see these 4 pushing counterwagons to BEF. I have reservations regarding trivium being in that pile due to VC's 1.7 and 1.8 so that's pending review.

More importantly, with ceejay/lolwagons/profi being on BEF super consistently while also being counterwagons at times, I'm feeling really good about them. I feel more concrete about them than I do that scumpool tbh

I need to think this over more but now I need to sleep I think

[Elbirn]

VOTE COUNT 1.3

TexdoesHalo (5)

- Elbirn, Trivium, ceejayvinoya, profii, Sad Sheep

L-2

profii (3)

- Springtrap, TexdoesHalo, Doughboy

Springtrap (1)

- Egix96

PenguinPower (1)

- Malakitty

Egix96 (1)

- DrDolittle

Not Voting (2)

: PenguinPower, BrightEyedFish


With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2018-12-04 00:00:00)

This is the texdoeshalo wagon at its height, reminder that he was replaced by lolwagons.

If theres a wagon on someone probably town, I'd assume thered be scum in it. The only odd one out here is trivium.

I guess the question is how hard would scum really want to push a wagon on town on the basis of lurking..? Trivium went kind of balls deep and that seems odd considering there was probably not a chance of the wagon going through and he would seem to have done so as a solo project with none of his scumbuddies

Idk, does a wagon like this possibly contain all town because that sounds stupid

VOTE COUNT 1.4

TexdoesHalo (4)

- Elbirn, Trivium, profii, Sad Sheep

profii (4)

- Springtrap, TexdoesHalo, Doughboy, PenguinPower

Springtrap (1)

- Egix96

PenguinPower (1)

- Malakitty

Egix96 (1)

- DrDolittle

BrightEyedFish (1)

- ceejayvinoya

Not Voting (1)

: BrightEyedFish


With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2018-12-04 00:00:00)

TexdoesHalo has been prodded.

Profi as a counterwagon to lolwagons slot as pushed by egix and ruby slot. +town for profi maybe?

VOTE COUNT 1.5

Trivium (4)

- BrightEyedFish, Doughboy, Egix96, PenguinPower

TexdoesHalo (2)

- Trivium, profii

profii (2)

- Springtrap, TexdoesHalo

DrDolittle (1)

- Elbirn

PenguinPower (1)

- Malakitty

Egix96 (1)

- DrDolittle

BrightEyedFish (1)

- ceejayvinoya

Not Voting (1)

: Sad Sheep


With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2018-12-04 00:00:00)

Searching for replacement for TexdoesHalo.

Trivium being pushed by BEF and the rest of my scumpool

Is trivium just town at the wrong place at the wrong time and 5 townies pushed a stupid lurker wagon? Science says maybe

[Elbirn]

Refreshing my memory with a doughboy iso, he heavily resisted trivium specifically pushing the tex wagon. I'm not sure if scum tries to dismantle a wagon on town being pushed by 5 town

Maybe my hypotheses here are counting my eggs before they hatch, making a bunch of leaps and assumptions I shouldnt, but idk i just dont get this right now.

Egix/RubyRed seems most likely scum. Trivium and Dough are tinfoil hat edge cases? I'm guessing 3 scum are appropriate for a game this size. My lazy guess taking the path of least resistance and thought is

<BrightEyedFish/RubyRed/Egix>

K now I'm going to bed you night owls have fun picking this mystery apart

[Elbirn]

Why’d you leave off the counter attempt on me?

You sir are fake news

Looking through all of the vote counts, of which I made a handy dandy post that contained all of them, in none of them are you ever even voted.

Now I want to acknowledge right now that analyzing just the mods vote counts isn't exactly perfect, it relies on vote counts being done frequently and reliably, and it doesnt take into account stuff that happens in between them. Maybe, for example, idk you got flash wagoned and then unvoted by everyone within the span of an hour and my goldfish brain forgot and none of that is shown in a votecount. Me not noting that isnt me being dishonest, it's just literally not in the info I was working with.

If I decide I want to push you I'll be looking for a more full context because I'm not a scumbag, but yeah. Be chill.

[Elbirn]

Elbirn you're really staking a lot on lolwagons being town. At this point I agree it's very likely but if lol is scum most of what you said falls apart.

I am aware. But I'm working off probabilities and most likely scenarios and if I dont then I've got nothing mafia isnt real and we might as well RNG lynches

[Elbirn]

I'm not a scumbag, but yeah. Be chill.

being lazy makes you a scumbag so i won't chill.

it isn't difficult to remember there was a push on me.

"Being lazy" is your response to my analysis today that I stayed up late puzzling over, what the fuck have you done today?

Keep acting like a little bitch to me when I'm not even pressuring you, it's a great look for you

[Elbirn]

I’ll just refer to the 3 of you as Fucking liars until you apologize.

4 players flat out lied. I proved 3 of them wrong ad the 4th can’t even support his lie with evidence. I’m not dropping it until I get my apologies. So either they apologize or mod will directly interfere with the game and force me to leave. Until one of those things happen, I’m not dropping it.

If they want to call me scum, at least do so with shit I’ve actually done. No need to make up things.

K. This is the last time I speak to you. You're written off as pissbaby town and going on my foe list. I'm not going to apologize to you because I dont give a fuck about your childish ego and your blowing up of perceived grievances. You basically want me to verbally suck your dick because I dont have you as a townclear, or because I waved my hand over a group of four people including you and went "yeah idk these 4 were anti-bef I think" and for not taking note of information that was not under my consideration at the time, none of which is lying.

You're basically a whiny abusive manchild and I have no interest in playing with you. Just shut the fuck up, dont sign up for games I'm in, dont sign up for games I mod. Kick rocks, kid.

VOTE: RubyRed

This is what I'm doing today, I'm gonna go play my other game until day 3, dont really give a fuck

[Elbirn]

He's on my foe list but I still see his posts

How do I get him away? I really don't understand this feature this kinda sucks

[Elbirn]

Policy lynching doughboy wouldn't appeal to me frankly because I'm here to lynch scum, not carry out vendettas against bad people.

Really think the play is to agree as a group to ignore him until he replaces out again

[Elbirn]

Why do you tie me to egix, where one of us is scum but only possibly one? It seems like a weird dichotomy and I don't see where it comes from. Walk me through the thought process, I'd like to see your brain working on full display

[Elbirn]

To be fair I'll acknowledge that doughboy switch looks pretty bad. To elbirn- I was being stupid, I actually meant that if one of you/egix is scum the other is also likely scum. I knew I had your interaction with egix was weird in my head, but I got it flipped around.

And the way you asked me that question kind of confirms that too.

I ask questions primarily to dig inside of people's brains and lay my eggs there.

...i.e., I'm still sorting your alignment and I want you to prove that you're not just talking shit and you actually have a town thought process that you can share with the class.

As it stands yeah I guess you do, it's just wrong. You're utilizing a pre flip association, which I'd be giving you shit for under any circumstances; since I can tell you with 100% certainty that you're wrong, especially so.

I'm not interesting in haranguing you and giving you shit, but you need to change your approach. You think egix is scum, but only with me, and it's all based on his interactions or lack thereof with me. I'm town, so your theory is bunk. Analyze egix as an individual and in relation to BEF and let's try again, I'll do the same because my hail Mary throw is bef/rr/egix for the scumteam but I need to substantiate that as well

[Elbirn]

Actually honestly, rereading your wall of quotes and then you analyzing them (as opposed to super fast skimming at work) I'm not sure what conclusions you're reaching towards, it seems largely unrelated.

Egix lightly shaded BEF in 350 which could be indicative of scum partners distancing, particularly considering BEF was getting flak at the time for that post already..? That's about all I can glean from that wall

[Elbirn]

Oh no the voice in my head is going to start tunneling me and I'm going to have to talk to it

Ughhhhh

[Elbirn]

I get the impression the spring is mostly...lost and new? He was pretty adamant about BEF end of day tomorrow so theres that, unless you wanna argue that he was coached into bussing. More than anything theres just a lack of content and I have a hard time scumreading that from newbtown

[Elbirn]

*end of day yesterday

As in Day 1 phase thingy

[Elbirn]

Yeah that's really cute babe, but my posts arent directed towards the voice in my head, they're for the world at large. You're not the center of attention here.

[Elbirn]

Holy shit mala is in this game?

[Elbirn]

Ruby red isnt posting anywhere else on site, but then their topics show this is the only game they're in and they dont participate in any other threads? Probably an alt?

[Elbirn]

Hi I'm just going to claim this outright instead of being coy or playing this smart or whatever the fuck because I'm pretty sure theres only one scum left.

I'm a watcher, and last night I saw Trivium visit Profi. Gg.

VOTE: Trivium

[Elbirn]

Hate to go against the grain here but what you're saying about doughboy is half baked

VOTE: BreadEyedFish

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

I'm a sucker for puns
And wordplay
So let's uh...watch..the yeast...rise? On this wagon?

Yeah.

Hi everyone btw

This was my crumb btw

Join me my friends

[Elbirn]

Oh. And that’s the only person to visit him?

Correct

[Elbirn]

You probably saved the game with that. I wouldn’t have lynched Triv. If that’s really game, really well played Triv.

Thanks bb, profi seemed really obvtown to me and seemed the only likely nk target. I didn't expect trivium to be the guy tho, he played well and with profi's inno soft claiming i was half like...is there another soft/weak investigative type thing here?

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:

Let’s let him claim. Arguably there could be a Ninja Mafia and he visited Profii as a PR

Dont give him any ideas

Honestly? I think proper play is to lynch him regardless. I go by the simplest explanation, for one, and for another thing I dont want that shit hanging over us if hes allowed to live. If we all muck about with this, in a worst case scenario he absolutely cant get anywhere near mylo/lylo

[Elbirn]

Not me guys. Let’s not break the perfect lynch streak with a mislynch

VOTE: Elbirn

I think if I was scum partners with PP I would have tried to be a bit more active and excited

If game doesn't end with dead trivium I highly recommend dead mala

If you are town mala and I'm just making noise for no reason in a game that's been decided well uh I'm sorry I've just never played with you before and I'm not used to how you communicate and it all just reads really weird to me

Plus you're really lurky. Do you always play lurky or like what's up friend

[Elbirn]

Yeah I said *I* was the one making noise and I was trying to reach out but sure fuck me I guess

[Elbirn]

That only works if scum has a Ninja-Strongman, and I've been out of the loop for so long that I dont even know if such a thing exists

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Trivium

Doc and Watcher in same game plus a strongman ninja seems ridiculous.

Considering scum apparently had only goons, this setup was maybe kinda broken? Giving scum one role that hard counters town would have been...okay?

Eh, trivium you were a goon right?

[Elbirn]

This game taught me when to focus on town lynches over bussing. I don't think that means bussing is never a good policy, but I suppose there's times to do it and times not to. Not trying to throw shade at ruby but I felt like I didn't get a lot of communication there. Maybe could have won if that slot had been a liiittle more active, but hey I didn't exactly do my scummates any favors by losing this way so there's no problem.

You guys were in a rough spot D1 and I'm not sure I would blame RR for their decision between 1. Lynch a scumbuddy and 2. Lynch a town PR, particularly when there were townies caught in a tossup between both options. Like, my dumbass would have lynched dr. Doolittle if the game would have allowed it, and I would have been monstrously wrong.

I think scum players dont really take good stock of the kind of shit they can get away with. You could have had all 3 of you hard pushing Doolittle and loudly controlling the narrative of the game and forcing that through. Theres a psychological effect to a bunch of people agreeing with each other and scum can use that to their advantage. And if it didn't work, and bef still got lynched, youd have townies going "well no way the whole scum team went all in on the same wagon, so theres probably only one scum there if any", or hell even "no way scum hard defends a doomed buddy" pops up sometimes. If you're active and argumentative you can do a lot of whateverthehellyouplease and talk your way out of bad situations and town will let it happen.

[Elbirn]

This makes 2 games where a dumb townie fakes info on scum. Yeah sure he baited the kill but he ruins his ability to be trusted down the road.

You've become caught in a mode of thinking where "lying always == bad", and it doesnt. His lie here (which was more of a wink and a nudge without ever claiming anything) drew the NK onto himself, a vanilla townie, when it could have gone onto an actual power role. If I were shot last night this game would still be ongoing. His lie was advantageous and well intentioned, and I hope he pops in post game so he gets his back pats.

You did well deducing Trivium for the record. In another timeline I'd like to think youd have saved the game from town reading the last scum like everyone was set to do

[Elbirn]

Reason being I figured he'd kill the wrong people. I was right btw so lol

That's a good point I didn't think about! I think of vig as being mostly anti-town utility, keeping him alive another night would have given you another dead townie. I would have picked him for a lynch over a scumbuddy but I certainly wouldn't shoot him after that failed to go through

Yeah tbh I though once Profii flopped VT that Triv was a friendly neighbor. So his fake soft claiming could have been very dangerous. Still really enjoyed playing with y’all though

Yeah I figured he was a pr who was just really sure I was town, I didn't want to risk it and I knew killing profli would make me look super town

Definitely would have gotten me if I didn't have my result, I read the flip before my result PM and was like "*math in head* okay so if triv was scum hed have known profi was lying about being investigative so he wouldn't bother shooting him, triv conf town".

[Elbirn]

I get people lie it basically claiming a power role is very risky. What if somebody cc’d? Sadly there are others like me who would c. If they were a PR. Thankfully that didn’t happen here.

I think theres a certain way that you lie as town, and profi got it. He didn't say "I'm a cop and trivium is town", he was just kinda slick about it, done in a way with deniability. Yeah an actual investigative role would side-eye him, but without a real fake-claim from profi they'd keep their mouth shut. Like me.

I get what you're saying that its risky. Theres a time to lie and a time not to, I think.

[Elbirn]

El who was your N1 watch

Also profi. I really thought he was getting shot apparently.

I should have watched Doolittle but for some reason I thought a protective role would be on him, so scum would shoot elsewhere...but then I should have watched Doolittle anyway in this scenario to countdown a doctor?

I'm not a brilliant man

[Elbirn]

Sure I get ya. But if profi dies, his VT flip means there is no inno on trivium. If profi doesnt die, he had damn well better be smart enough to explain his lie before lylo.

Pedit to dough, that's sound advice

[Elbirn]

Did someone else design this game?

I'm not a mod or designer either but I have to agree that scum needed a buff. Simple setups are beautiful and pure so I appreciate this one...but with no scum pr could a 4th goon have been in order?

[Elbirn]

4 in a 13 is crazy. That’s only two mislynches with town having to lynch 4. Not to mention most towns probably wouldn’t even think of 9 players remaining as lylo.

They really should have just had a buff. Some sort of limited roleblocker or ninja (novice, even night, 2-shot, etc) probably would have balanced it out and made the win feel a little less cheap.

You're right I didn't really do the math there. 4 scum would need a bigger game size. A ninja with a watcher could work but then town only gets utility if the ninja is lynched first, otherwise we have an entirely vanilla game. In fact at that point the mafia roles are just "you have no power and town gets a buff if a particular one of you is lynched" which is a double slap to the face and very swingy..

Hi I'm just going to claim this outright instead of being coy or playing this smart or whatever the fuck because I'm pretty sure theres only one scum left.

I'm a watcher, and last night I saw Trivium visit Profi. Gg.

VOTE: Trivium

Well, I guess my backup wasnt needed in the slightest.

I tried to hide I was a PR, so I guess I did decent? This game atleast shows I did decent for being busy IRL playing it.

I would have confirmed him being watcher as backup, by the way. Probably seemed like the best play if town was more behind.

Claiming backup would give me more credibility but I'd only do that if the real watcher was in danger of being lynched, otherwise I'd keep quiet, let scum shoot the real watcher, and then surprise them by being the new watcher and hero town deserves