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well good morning everyone VOTE: springtrap It was I who voted for starting thanksgiving and still managed to show up late

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Eh, I actually think it's stupid to assume someone is being deceptive just because they didn't check who had posted or whatever. Not scummy, just dumb, unless the point was to spur conversation and get out of rvs as fast as possible.

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Ceejay vote for Tex with me

not ceejay but VOTE: TexdoesHalo

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post 28 was strange and I think that's a better reason to vote than what we know about springtrap who was my rvs vote

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I wanted to let my push on Spring play out a bit to give people a chance to react but I think Spring is legit new rather than LAMIST
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I was a bit suspicious of Elbirn as I was like - he must know what a chainsaw is (for those who are new - hypothetically- town!profii attacks scum!spring, so scum!pal attacks profii to discredit a good push ~ or thereabouts)

But Elbirn came and quite clearly expressed where he was at so

VOTE: Tex

VOTE: Vote: Profii

Good afternoon. That was very passive aggressive of you, Profii.

no, I think Springtrap is legit being deceptive. I'm happy to say that straight.

I dunno man. It's day 1, the party's just gettin' started.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TexdoesHalo

Speaking of gut plays this post feels really gross to me but I'm evidently incapable of articulating why

Bruh, gross? I dunno about you but I'm just here to have some fun and hopefully not die. I'm genuinely new to this site and I'm simply trying to learn how to play this damn game. I have experience with Mafia/Werewolf in real life but I've never played it online before. Imma fucking noob.

>tex reads a post where profii talks about how he's less sure springtrap is a good vote because he (springtrap) seems new.

>tex then claims to be new in order to get people off his back

Of course town could have that same motive as well, and I'm not entirely comfortable with how fast this wagon happened, but something about the way this is veiled makes tex being mafia make way more sense than not.

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I just did an ISO of TeX. There's really nothing there yet besides his noob claim. But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt right now.
@tex
Who do you think isn't looking too good right now.

But what about his iso made you

not

want to vote for him? Why did you vote for him in the first place?

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I just did an ISO of TeX.

There's really nothing there yet besides his noob claim.

But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt right now.
@tex
Who do you think isn't looking too good right now.

But what about his iso made you

not

want to vote for him? Why did you vote for him in the first place?

I explained why in the quote.

Then why vote for him in the first place? Still haven't answered my questioned.

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Doughboy, what do you think of tex?

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Do you actually have an opinion or are you sheeping so people don't have a problem with you?

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Do you actually have an opinion or are you sheeping so people don't have a problem with you?

Are you directing that post towards me?

VOTE: Vote: Profii

Good afternoon. That was very passive aggressive of you, Profii.

Shit. I'm new to this. UNVOTE: Vote: Profii

VOTE: Profii

VOTE: Vote: Profii

Good afternoon. That was very passive aggressive of you, Profii.

no, I think Springtrap is legit being deceptive. I'm happy to say that straight.

I dunno man. It's day 1, the party's just gettin' started.

VOTE: Vote: Profii

Good afternoon. That was very passive aggressive of you, Profii.

no, I think Springtrap is legit being deceptive. I'm happy to say that straight.

I dunno man. It's day 1, the party's just gettin' started.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TexdoesHalo

Speaking of gut plays this post feels really gross to me but I'm evidently incapable of articulating why

Bruh, gross? I dunno about you but I'm just here to have some fun and hopefully not die. I'm genuinely new to this site and I'm simply trying to learn how to play this damn game. I have experience with Mafia/Werewolf in real life but I've never played it online before. Imma fucking noob.

This is Tex's complete ISO. I'm having troube deciding if I should give him the noob pass or if I should treat his play like the rest of you.

How does our opinion of tex factor into your decision? That smells

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Eh, I'm not going to unvote tex. The fact that he left after being pressured actually cements my vote, so if there's a replacement or if he comes back I'll be analyzing that closely.

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so you think he site flaked because he was scum? why not consider that he did this as town?

Scum is usually more susceptible to that kind of pressure,

especially

if they're new.

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Newbies site flaking is NAI.

We shouldn't pretend there wasn't any pressure, though. If he'd just left randomly sure it'd tell us nothing, but he left after being pressured. Scum is more focused on staying alive, so that pressure is more impactful and might cause them to leave, a bit like how they tend to flail near the end. I'm not changing my opinion on this; in my experience it's a scummy thing to do to leave under pressure.

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VOTE: Vote: Profii

Good afternoon. That was very passive aggressive of you, Profii.

no, I think Springtrap is legit being deceptive. I'm happy to say that straight.

I dunno man. It's day 1, the party's just gettin' started.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TexdoesHalo

Speaking of gut plays this post feels really gross to me but I'm evidently incapable of articulating why

Bruh, gross? I dunno about you but I'm just here to have some fun and hopefully not die. I'm genuinely new to this site and I'm simply trying to learn how to play this damn game. I have experience with Mafia/Werewolf in real life but I've never played it online before. Imma fucking noob.

Post 78 focuses on not wanting to die rather than saying anything about wanting to find scum. Weird "damn" and "fucking" irk me as he seems to be responding poorly to pressure,

something that I find to be one of the best scum tells on this site.

Tex then claimed his newness was a reason not to think he was mafia like two posts after someone was talking about how they didn't like the idea of voting springtrap because he seemed new. That rang out as opportunistic as hell, even without the weird diluting post 28. I also don't trust springtrap at all so that seems like an almost solid chainsaw to me. My vote is here unless I find someone else to be even more likely scum.

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If Tex comes back I'll put my vote back there, if he gets replaced I'll start from scratch on the slot.

I have a new read. trivium pings scummy

I kind of get that feeling too. Let's try some new avenues while we wait on Tex's return or replacement.

VOTE: trivium

This is pretty opportunistic. What are you trying to do, get me to talk more? I'm talking enough. Give a reason to vote me or get off before I scumread you even more.

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Your other vote was just the same, are you looking for scum or are you just voting whoever is being talked about? You don't have any posts that analyze anyone at all

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Your other vote was just the same, are you looking for scum or are you just voting whoever is being talked about? You don't have any posts that analyze anyone at all

Scratch that, you said tex's silence was starting to look bad. So would you agree that his leaving is scummy?

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Give a reason to vote me or get off before I scumread you even more.

his reason is implied and what's with the fear tactic?

If it was implied, what is it?

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Give a reason to vote me or get off before I scumread you even more.

his reason is implied and what's with the fear tactic?

If it was implied, what is it?

your push on tex pings scummy

What does that even mean? Pings scummy? I disagree with you, that's no reason to scumread me unless you yourself are scum.

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VOTE: Vote: Profii

Good afternoon. That was very passive aggressive of you, Profii.

no, I think Springtrap is legit being deceptive. I'm happy to say that straight.

I dunno man. It's day 1, the party's just gettin' started.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TexdoesHalo

Speaking of gut plays this post feels really gross to me but I'm evidently incapable of articulating why

Bruh, gross? I dunno about you but I'm just here to have some fun and hopefully not die. I'm genuinely new to this site and I'm simply trying to learn how to play this damn game. I have experience with Mafia/Werewolf in real life but I've never played it online before. Imma fucking noob.

Post 78 focuses on not wanting to die rather than saying anything about wanting to find scum. Weird "damn" and "fucking" irk me as he seems to be responding poorly to pressure,

something that I find to be one of the best scum tells on this site.

Tex then claimed his newness was a reason not to think he was mafia like two posts after someone was talking about how they didn't like the idea of voting springtrap because he seemed new. That rang out as opportunistic as hell, even without the weird diluting post 28. I also don't trust springtrap at all so that seems like an almost solid chainsaw to me. My vote is here unless I find someone else to be even more likely scum.

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and you have not provided me the evidence I have asked for twice now.

lmao that's not a reason to scumread me either, try harder

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VOTE: DDL

why

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Weird "damn" and "fucking" irk me as he seems to be responding poorly to pressure

Are you trying to imply that his use of profanity is alignment-indicative? Because if you are, that's reaching IMO.
You never know, Tex might be one of those kinds of people who just swears like it's nothing, because that's their personality. In fact I have personal experience of playing with at least one such player: BBmolla.

Oh yeah, there's plenty of people who swear all the time, that's not alignment indicative. But just the way they flow into the post is strange and fake to me

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VOTE: DDL

why

Why not?

You find something wrong with it?

Nah, I just want to see your justification for it

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First sentence = calling someone else's vote opportunistic in an attempt to deflect suspicion.
Last sentence = Seriously when does town ever say that?

pedit: Uh huh okay...

Am I wrong about brighteyed? The only analytical post he's made was a suspicion of tex for leaving under pressure, and both of his votes were sheeped, including the relevant one on me.

EDIT: What makes you think I'm frustrated?

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This is pretty opportunistic. What are you trying to do, get me to talk more? I'm talking enough. Give a reason to vote me or get off before I scumread you even more.

lmao that's not a reason to scumread me either, try harder

I disagree with you, that's no reason to scumread me unless you yourself are scum.

These posts don’t come from a calm rational townie. You’re either frustrated scum or frustrated town imo.

Don't they? Prove it, I need evidence

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Nope, your reasons are terrible and not alignment indicative but I can tell you've already made up your mind and will find anything I do to be scum. It takes more than votes to frustrate me, but let me tell you you're certainly getting there. I think brighteyed has been opportunistic all day, not just with my post, and presented a case for it. I think you'll find not a lot of people this game have done anything of the sort or provided the kind of analysis I have: killing me would be wasting a valuable town and you know that. I did not say you can only be scum to scum read me, I said it's more likely, I have barely a clue whether you are or are not, though I like sticking to my clues. Your scumread on me consists of "I don't agree with you, you're scum." This game is about more than votes to me, I suggest looking at the patterns of conversation around the places I say there's pressure rather than just votes, unless you are being entirely disingenuous and just want me dead.

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Hey people. Reading the thread now.

Disclaimer: This is an alt. My main username is Slaxx but I can't access that account because I haven't played in 4 years. So if any of you guys like Meta, go for it.

Hi lolwagons! Are you scum?

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Alright, woke up today feeling refreshed. Read over 245 a few times, and I have to say it does wonders for tex's slot. Looks like genuine town analysis to me, which is really what I wanted VOTE: BrightEyedFish

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>That would make tex the planned mislynch

Yeah, that's kind of my problem right now. TBH I'm almost back to a point where I don't have a clue about lol because if BEF is scum that makes lol probably town, but we don't even know if bef is scum. I guess either of those lynches would give us more information about the other and profii by extension, but I'd rather lynch brighteyed because if lol is town he would be more useful

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Of course they could both be scum bussing each other

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zzz someone come talk to me

Hewwo
Why do you think Mala is probwolf?

just because someone's lurking doesn't mean you ignore their contributions when they actually are here

and mala's posts when she does post are really bad

early on they're alright, but these are pretty fucking wolfy, especially in context:

Hm

setup speculation on page7 is a new one

Never seen that before

Ah I see. At first I thought the 'hm' was a catchup marker (for want of a better term, basically a post someone makes to let people know that they're catching up/to mark their place in the thread) but she never actually made any catchup posts afterwards. Problem is, she apparently has a very time-consuming job so we can't expect her to be online regularly.

#156 is very interesting in italics though. It doesn't really add anything, all she's saying there is that she agrees with page-7-setup-spec being a 'new' thing.

how do you feel about policy lynching Mala, she doesn't post much so getting a flip will give us some info, makes the average activity of the game increase which is good and given the severe amount of lurking (IRL busy person acknowledged) means there is a chance we get lucky and hit scum

Uhhh no. She doesn't post much so lynching her would give us zero information, and there are waaay better lynches out there.

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we're not lynching to gain "information", we're lynching to lynch scum

Okay, why is malakitty scum again?

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To be fair, the only way to “gain information” from a lynch is to let a wagon form. So shutting down a wagon is kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Not really a scum or town thing, just something to think about.

Yeah, I guess that's true.

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You and Sheep however focused more on the absence itself and didn’t focus much on the rest of the game

If I read your post right, you are voting me because someone else didn't answer my question... Why not vote the person dodging the question if it's that important to you?

and/or

you are voting me for focusing a few posts on a flaking slot? Was I the onl one doing this? Why not give the same suspicion to others talking about it or one's that were actually voting on the wagon.

I guess the vibes people got from tex may have been warranted.

VOTE: LolWagons

I agree
VOTE: LolWagons

Hey vote for brighteyed instead okay

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Gahhh you seem too confident that BEF is scum and I'm starting to think maybe, just maybe you're bussing or worse I could be wrong about bef, especially because I think sheep also looks scummy but they're voting you so ehh. I'm going to read through this game again sometime tomorrow, this is complicated.

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Elbirn seems logically consistent but does a lot of questions without a lot of substance and hasn't involved in any major wagons, but everyone seems to townread him, so that's worrying.

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And lolwagon wanting to keep me around after I start agreeing with them makes my skin crawl

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You walked into this game going for me, which is weird, but everyone gets an opinion. I guess i can ask you who'd be my partners if I did flip scum, Ruby.

Or are You only saying I'm scum and not looking elsewhere?

Oh

Wait are you scum?

Yyeaaaaahhhhhh that's not a very comforting post, it's like he's trying to get his partners info on who to wagon if he flips

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I get the case on profii but I also scumread BEF, so I'm not super sure where to put my vote, I'm starting to believe some crazy conspiracy stuff is going on here

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gah you think a scum would just blatantly say that, rather than shut their mouth since they have nothing to contribute?

VOTE: trivium
sheeping doughboy is a good bet

That's not trying to find scum. It's contradictory in a scummy way

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That's not trying to find scum. It's contradictory in a scummy way

That's a I'm going to sheep my town read for a wagon but I'm sleeping with reservations.

No, that's a I'm going to sheep a town wagon and have reservations so when he flips I can say I didn't mean it

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Everyone and their moms can make a push on BEF. You making a slight jab there does not make you scum hunting

Why can everyone and their moms make a push on bef? Could it be because he's acting scummy?

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He hasn't still provided any analysis on anyone but himself, with the exception of that "tex's silence is starting to look bad" and idea that apparently you scumread me for, but he didn't push it- I did because I wanted more from tex, and because I thought from the few posts he had that he very well could be scum. All of his votes have been on wagons that were already being pushed by other people; whether that be through votes or conversation focuses. I agree with profli, either you can't stop tunneling to the point you're useless, or you're scum trying to move a lynch away from your buddy.

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Ack, I didn't pedit. Previous post directed at doughboy

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That's not trying to find scum. It's contradictory in a scummy way

That's a I'm going to sheep my town read for a wagon but I'm sleeping with reservations.

No, that's a I'm going to sheep a town wagon and have reservations so when he flips I can say I didn't mean it

Everyone and their moms can make a push on BEF. You making a slight jab there does not make you scum hunting

Why can everyone and their moms make a push on bef? Could it be because he's acting scummy?

Shit town says: Episode 2.

Honestly. At this point I'm just about ready to vote DDL, who is obviously taking advantage of doughboy, though I'd rather see BEF gone first.

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Nope, your reasons are terrible and not alignment indicative but I can tell you've already made up your mind and will find anything I do to be scum. It takes more than votes to frustrate me, but let me tell you you're certainly getting there. I think brighteyed has been opportunistic all day, not just with my post, and presented a case for it. I think you'll find not a lot of people this game have done anything of the sort or provided the kind of analysis I have: killing me would be wasting a valuable town and you know that. I did not say you can only be scum to scum read me, I said it's more likely, I have barely a clue whether you are or are not, though I like sticking to my clues. Your scumread on me consists of "I don't agree with you, you're scum." This game is about more than votes to me, I suggest looking at the patterns of conversation around the places I say there's pressure rather than just votes, unless you are being entirely disingenuous and just want me dead.

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I’m not asking for one from you. You’re confirmed scum. I’m asking your most likely scum buddy profli to provide something more than the nonsense he posted when he voted. That was worse of a reason than what he says is so bad about my reasons for scum reading him.

Meta > he hopped off a mislynch so he’s probably scum.

Scum want to mislynch. They don’t hop off mislynches.

You both make sense as scum. If you both are town you and mr “I’m scum” all are killing our chances of winning this game.

No dude, I'm town and you are going to kill our chance of winning this game if you don't vote for the obvious scum. You just said that I didn't respond to you, I posted my response, and you said you didn't want to hear me respond to you. Fuck that. You want to vote for me while I'm town and tell me I'm the reason town is going to lose even if I was town? Why are you even considering the idea that I might be town in the first place?

VOTE: Doughboy

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Dammit, Triv. A DB wagon isn't going to happen in 24 hours, we will be lucky to get any lynch.

I don't want to play this game with doughboy. I'm not going to leave or anything, but I'm voting him

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Dammit, Triv. A DB wagon isn't going to happen in 24 hours, we will be lucky to get any lynch.

I don't want to play this game with doughboy. I'm not going to leave or anything, but I'm voting him

Besides I'm starting to believe he really is scum. Tunneling one person all day is a great defense to hide behind, especially because I know I'm town. I don't think I've done anything scummy, and if you notice, he hasn't really justified himself in any way that would satisfy his own conditions of "evidence", he ignores anything substantial that goes against his reads, like completely ignore it. I implore you to take another read through this game and focus on doughboy.

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Dammit, Triv. A DB wagon isn't going to happen in 24 hours, we will be lucky to get any lynch.

I don't want to play this game with doughboy. I'm not going to leave or anything, but I'm voting him

Besides I'm starting to believe he really is scum. Tunneling one person all day is a great defense to hide behind, especially because I know I'm town. I don't think I've done anything scummy, and if you notice, he hasn't really justified himself in any way that would satisfy his own conditions of "evidence", he ignores anything substantial that goes against his reads, like completely ignore it. I implore you to take another read through this game and focus on doughboy.

He has put pressure on Profii and you. By your own logic you should be voting BEF because he has tunneled on my slot, except for his one opportunistic vote on you.

And his wagon actually has a chance of leading to a lynch.

Doughboy's wagon also has a chance to lead to a lynch, if you hop on. BEF hsa at least moved around. Doughboy has not. You think he's going to change stances day2? day3? He's already shown himself to be completely and entirely ignorant, nobody has pressured him for this, and I think the lack of pressure on him all day is due to him being scum. It's happening.

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Lolwagons it's time to drink the Koolaid and get on this shiny new wagon because I promise you it's going places. Besides, doughboy lynch is more likely than a bef lynch if you move now.

PEDIT: LETS GOOO

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Uggghhhhhh fine but I want a doughboy vote tomorrow if he keeps this up

VOTE: BEF

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That's L-1 Give us a claim BEF

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Did we seriously both reference drinking koolaid?

lmfao

Yes, we did

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Trivium put your vote back on BEF so he has the chance to claim.

Also, he's been gone 24 hours.

I gUeSs HiS sIlEnCe iS wOrRyIng

PEDIT: LETS GOOOO

no, no, it's

brighteyedfish's silence is starting to look bad...

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That's a powerful role in a 9 player game, how are we going to confirm this?

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Oh yeah, it's mini not micro. Sorry I was reading the role in the wiki

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Yeaah that makes sense then

VOTE: Doughboy

Are you with me egix?

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Fucking hell.

1. Its 13
2. We can't confirm it. The way to confirm it would be to have him protect a possible NK or jail a possible mafia but we obviously can't discuss that, because obviously mafia would choose a different person to carry out the kill and a different target. If we decide to believe the claim then we have to trust him to make a good decision.

Did you breadcrumb at all BEF?

Does anyone in their right mind think that this post comes from town?

See this is another reason why I SR lol.

.
Yes, yes I do believe this post comes from town, what about this is scummy?

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I think that Dough is town, I also think LolWagons is town, and Triv might have derpcleared himself right there.
Aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what do

The fact you caught that too, and the fact he did it, makes me think y'all might be both town.

Wait what did I do

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Why would a ‘15 player need to read the wiki about the JK role ?

I needed to know if it roleblocks and prevents targeting in normal games. It does.

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I'm pretty sure I said this before but I'm done with lolwagons.
Just so he knows I will not answer/respond to anymore of his posts.

Don't be a dick. What if I ask you?

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Doughboy is town and trivium pushing him is dumb, lolwagon is town and pushing him is dumb

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DrDooLittle

Let's make this happen, I dont know whether or not to believe BEF claim but I'm tired of seeing "I'll vote DDL if possible" but nobody does. Swing this wagon here, I'm really feeling this is the play and I'm gonna be really upset if we no lynch because some people are getting bigmad over vanity wagons on town

No yeah I get it. I just got kinda pissed off with doughboy, probably won't play any more games with him in them, yaddayadda. But I'll VOTE: DoctorDoLittle

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That's L2 right?

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Doughboy is town and trivium pushing him is dumb, lolwagon is town and pushing him is dumb

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DrDooLittle

Let's make this happen, I dont know whether or not to believe BEF claim but I'm tired of seeing "I'll vote DDL if possible" but nobody does. Swing this wagon here, I'm really feeling this is the play and I'm gonna be really upset if we no lynch because some people are getting bigmad over vanity wagons on town

You're right I need to stay objective. I still SR lol though. But it's not going anywhere today.

VOTE: DrDolittle

Wait didn't you say you didn't want a dolittle vote?

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I'm pretty sure I said this before but I'm done with lolwagons.
Just so he knows I will not answer/respond to anymore of his posts.

Don't be a dick. What if I ask you?

I just can't handle it right now. I get frustrated and get a grudge and it usually stays the whole game. I just hope I get some back claps when/if lol flips Red.

Hey man I understand that. But you want to win, right? If you do, take a look at other wagons and other votes and give a few thoughts of your own. That goes a long way. By the way if you're scum this is what they call a dick move.

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I think N1 will be a good time for a lot of us to take a break, this game is tense

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VOTE: DrDoLittle

Profli you already voted for DDL

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Yeah... wanted someone to fake hammer for reactions

Oh I'm stupid

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Dolittle is L2 lol can't hammer him anyways

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I'll be okay with a ddl or a bef lunch today so long as we don't no lynch. Consider this a real hammer threat after elbirn bef

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Trivium, go for BEF. We have the votes for that among our active people here now.

VOTE: BEF

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That's L1

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both been counterwagons to him

yeah i was the one initiating the triv countewagon.

now im paranoid scum's keeping me alive cause my shot target sucks.

Yeah. If BEF flips town you're going to kill me, that's two down.

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both been counterwagons to him

yeah i was the one initiating the triv countewagon.

now im paranoid scum's keeping me alive cause my shot target sucks.

Yeah. If BEF flips town you're going to kill me, that's two down.

wait wait back it up. If bef flips town you're scum, and probably so is lolwagons so it doesn't even matter anyways.

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Trivium anything to add before Mala hammers?

I think if BEF flips town there's no way DDL is actually the vig anyways, but it doesn't matter saying that to you because that would make you probably scum too.

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So there's no point postulating what the vig kill should be should that happen. If bef is scum I say kill doughboy because lmao chainsaw

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Mala's a lurker but I think it would be a waste of a shot

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Especially since mala's the one hammering

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If bef flips town you're scum,

why

Two big reasons, he'd be the counterwagon to you and there's no way we have a jailor and a vig found out day one in a thirteen player game, plus a bunch of little reasons but I can't be bothered right now. If BEF is town you're tomorrow's lynch, no doubt.

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Two big reasons, he'd be the counterwagon to you and there's no way we have a jailor and a vig found out day one in a thirteen player game, plus a bunch of little reasons but I can't be bothered right now. If BEF is town you're tomorrow's lynch, no doubt.

these are pretty bad reasons but we can discuss more tomorrow.

Nope, nope! If BEF is town you are scum, you are not going to backpedal from this before it even happens buddy

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Elbirn you're really staking a lot on lolwagons being town. At this point I agree it's very likely but if lol is scum most of what you said falls apart.

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VOTE: Doughboy

Chainsaw defense of BEF + hiding behind voting me and not having to say much beyond me. You can already see it. I stated my case for his lynch yesterday and it still applies, time for a doughboy wagon.

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Doughboy was pushed yesterday. I did the pushing right before BEF was lynched.

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VOTE: Doughboy

Chainsaw defense of BEF + hiding behind voting me and not having to say much beyond me. You can already see it. I stated my case for his lynch yesterday and it still applies, time for a doughboy wagon.

Chainsaw defense is a lie. Having my own independent scum reads isn’t a chainsaw scum boi

You tried to run a counterwagon on me while saying BEF, who we know was scum, was town. That's textbook.

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I'm thinking doughboy is a bastard whether he's town or scum and I want to vote him for it, just like I did yesterday when he started pissing me off. He is entirely and completely useless if he's town, and trying to be unlynchable if he's scum. I don't think I can be more or less mad at him right now. Lolwagons is probably town, and I doubt he bussed, but I still feel wrong, something doesn't add up here and I'm not entirely sure what it is. For now my reads are profli hard town, lolwagons leaning town, leaning scum on elbirn/egix (but only one of those), neutral on mala, ceejay, and springtrap. Ruby's votes were obviously counter to the bef wagon and the interaction about and around bef coming from ruby was scummy, but I think doughboy's is more incriminating. Posts like 657 and 651 ring really town to me. 651 mostly. Ruby came in and pressured springtrap, but then town mala, I don't see why scum would want to talk about how town mala looks randomly like that, though I guess mala could be scum with ruby. I don't really get ruby's logic there. But that push on springtrap is really town, they could of switched over to one of the many counterwagons to BEF like a billion times. This wagon is moving quick today and I'm uncomfortable with that.

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scratch that on ceejay he's pretty town despite the few posts

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Why do you tie me to egix, where one of us is scum but only possibly one? It seems like a weird dichotomy and I don't see where it comes from. Walk me through the thought process, I'd like to see your brain working on full display

I'm going to have to pull up a lot of quotes and stuff because that one is a little complicated, give me a couple hours.

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To be fair I'll acknowledge that doughboy switch looks pretty bad. To elbirn- I was being stupid, I actually meant that if one of you/egix is scum the other is also likely scum. I knew I had your interaction with egix was weird in my head, but I got it flipped around.

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And the way you asked me that question kind of confirms that too.

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Honestly I think one of the scum here may have been on the wagon, but since half of the playerlist is on it, that's a given. So dividing that further, ceejay, Profii, and Sad Sheep are the 3 I want to look into more.

You seem to be assuming that Elbirn and Trivium aren't mafia. Why is that?

Honestly I think one of the scum here may have been on the wagon, but since half of the playerlist is on it, that's a given. So dividing that further, ceejay, Profii, and Sad Sheep are the 3 I want to look into more.

You seem to be assuming that Elbirn and Trivium aren't mafia. Why is that?

Since you wanted my opinion on this, I'll answer it.

Elbirm just seems genuine to me at least. I'll trust him for now. Trivium just isn't as bad as the other 3. I haven't gotten an opinion on him. I don't want to make a push there.

"Trivium just isn't as bad as the other 3"
"I haven't gotten an opinion on him"
Well I'm pretty sure that first snippet counts as an opinion, so... which is it?

Signing up for a game but deciding you don't want to play after a bit seems stupid.

Yeah, it does seem stupid, but people do it anyway. It's sad... but true.

Cue heavy metal riff

alright idk if someone told you about what i said in scumchat or something but you're towning it up a lot more than before

could you take a look at spring's slot and let me know what you think? i think there's decent odd's he's wolf here

I hope not, I spent a lot of time waxing philosophic to the boy hoping he'd be useful, maybe learn a thing or two

This is gross

Like oops I posted in the wrong thread gross

Call me naive, but I think you're taking that exchange a little too seriously. In my previous game with Ruby, they sarcastically joked that they were a goon at one point (their actual role in that game was Town Cop) so I'd say #333 is NAI.

As for #335 I think it' just Elbirn going along with the joke.

Like if hes scummy because of his reads list it's going to be because of its content in this game, not because 9 years ago he played scum and replaced in with a readslist. What about his post smells like scum to you?

His read list isn't the problem. It maybe that I'm just being defensive and OMGUS because of his attacks on me.
I looked into his meta and meta research is something I practically never do on day 1 and I saw that similarity. An intro post with a reads list is typically NAI but

I'm looking for something to verify my read on him.

Maybe I'm grasping but my gut is telling me scum.

This doesn't seem towny to me...

Like if hes scummy because of his reads list it's going to be because of its content in this game, not because 9 years ago he played scum and replaced in with a readslist. What about his post smells like scum to you?

His read list isn't the problem. It maybe that I'm just being defensive and OMGUS because of his attacks on me.
I looked into his meta and meta research is something I practically never do on day 1 and I saw that similarity. An intro post with a reads list is typically NAI but

I'm looking for something to verify my read on him.

Maybe I'm grasping but my gut is telling me scum.

This doesn't seem towny to me...

Why?

The part that I bolded seems more likely to come from a scum mindset than a town one, at least that's my take on it.

Dr do little and doughboy come in and shade me then both vote Trivium

Looks like they are trying to start a counter wagon to me

What would be gained from starting a counter wagon to you? I'm really not sure what you're trying to imply, if you're town then there cant really be a nefarious agenda to forming a counter wagon, scum would just let your mislynch happen.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too...

I think BEF is scum
I think Doughboy is liable to tunneling and may be scum or may be just getting swept up in his scum read on me and scum are using that to their advantage.
if BEF flips scum DDL is highly likely to be scum as well - it would not surprise me.
Elbirn is entering the mix in a weird way so I'm watching carefully

I've struck a nerve in there somewhere -there will be scum in that pool for sure

I can agree with this for the most part.

During the Night phase I had another read through the whole thread and made some notes. Problem is they're on my laptop which I don't have access to atm. To summarise:
- LolWagons is 95% likely to be town based on interactions with BEF
- Ceejay also looks good by virtue of being on BEF for a large part of D1
- Elbirn is likely town because of the hammer, I don't think scum!Elb hammers his own buddy unless he's super sure that he can carry
- I think Ruby is town who just happened to be wrong about which PR claim was the better choice to lynch
- Doughby looks susp to me because he had BEF as lock town and tried to dissuade me from scumreading BEF

Apologies for any typos

VOTE: Doughboy

- Elbirn is likely town because of the hammer, I don't think scum!Elb hammers his own buddy unless he's super sure that he can carry

the only caveat I'd put to that is we were heading towards not lynching at all yesterday and we lynched a goon not a PR, which scum will have been aware of.
So whilst there are way better people to pressure right now, I'm not writing off Elbirn just yet

Okay seems good

Here's all of egix's interactions with elbirn. I'll split them up in my next post

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Under the assumption that egix is mafia, many of these posts point to Elbirn.

148: wants to know why his scumbuddy isn't being focused on, also breadcrumbing shade should elbirn ever be lynched

184: Elbirn responds directing focus on me, says nothing about elbirn

349: Defusing.

350: Light chainsaw.

355: Agreeing. This I actually think doesn't support my theory.

721: likely town, not solid town. If it were solid town it might be more incriminating.

726: Wants to respond to the post about his scumbuddy, again agreeing. Not sure this might be non indicative

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Now to be fair this is a bunch of bullshit I'm not certain of, but I'm explaining what boils down to a strong gutread so go figure.

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And there isn't a lot of interaction Elbirn - egix so that's also a bit incriminating in my book, but again to be perfectly clear there's a lot of gut here. I dunno maybe yall said something earlier without quoting each other that I can barely remember but I was like huh that's weird

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Thanks for the sound advice and not attacking me elbirn, it really makes my day less annoying.

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Ceejay how do you feel about elbirn right now?

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Alright I trust profli and lolwagons enough at this point to sheep that; ruby flips red and this is a town block with one scum left. I'm still pretty unsure especially because of that springtrap interaction but hell we'll have another day if this goes awry, intent to hammer, give us a role ruby.

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If ruby's replacing out we might want to wait for that hammer though.

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Or should we just hammer so whoever comes in doesn't have to just show up and leave immediately?

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Alright I trust profli and lolwagons enough at this point to sheep that; ruby flips red and this is a town block with one scum left. I'm still pretty unsure especially because of that springtrap interaction but hell we'll have another day if this goes awry, intent to hammer, give us a role ruby.

Idk Springtrap popped on the BEF wagon at a crucial point in it. I just don't see a newbie bussing like that. The only way I see that happening is if they didn't know better...but with day talk, I feel like they would have consulted first, and been told not to, or to hold off. Idk. I don't want to be cocky or waste a D1 scum lynch but I feel like we probably have this, and I don't see myself getting past Ruby being scum. I wouldn't forgive myself if we let that slot live and they wound up being BEF's partner.

Right, so lynch now then?

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I'm leaving that up to you.

1) I've had four beers and don't feel like I should be making judgement calls and
2) On the off-chance you are scum and I've made a terrible mistake I'm not letting you put the responsibility of your hammer on me

None needed, let's save the mod some trouble.

VOTE: RubyRed

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Welp I guess I have to claim now. I was doc and visited profli last night so ?? what's going on here

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VOTE: Mala because I know elbirn's telling the truth

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Yeah okay I’ll just not post for the rest of the game due to that comment so enjoy. Fuck you for calling it noise, but sorry I don’t want you confusing my lack of posting and cause a mislynch when it could be avoided. I’m not the greatest af communicating what I mean in anywhere though.

I work two job and I have two volunteer job. I’m ALS in the back of an ambulance for three of those things. I haven’t yet been able to figure out a good pace between mafia and RL yet.

Game aside for a moment. That's got to be a lot to handle mala. Let's all please remember nobody knows what anybody else's lives are like outside of the site. Elbirn doesn't know what's going on in your head and your life, and neither do you him. There's been a lot of tension this game and a lot of attacks and I just wish there didn't have to be, I just feel like between people who seem decent we can try to be civil

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Yeah whatevs I'm just going to ditch the hail mary and go ahead and selfvote at this point, you got me. I'm know I'm not fucking over any scummates so I guess it's okay, don't think that's against the rules VOTE: Trivium As for everyone saying I played well, I can tell you right now I played like a dumbass and got my scummates killed. I didn't think bef would go through and after that it was a downward spiral, especially after ruby just kind of left.

Congratulations doughboy, are you happy? I wish I wasn't scum so I wouldn't give you the satisfaction but such is life. You can do exactly what you did here and not be a jerk to everyone, though. You're a good player. I don't think you did anything here that was against the rules, or banworthy, or even bad play. Obviously you found me, and I'm scum. But there's more going on here than a game: there's people behind all of these accounts and this communication is just as meaningful as if you said it to someone's face. Because I don't want to be a hypocrite I apologize whatever names I called you in this game, asshole, idiot, useless, all that. That's not me, and I'm sorry.

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This game taught me when to focus on town lynches over bussing. I don't think that means bussing is never a good policy, but I suppose there's times to do it and times not to. Not trying to throw shade at ruby but I felt like I didn't get a lot of communication there. Maybe could have won if that slot had been a liiittle more active, but hey I didn't exactly do my scummates any favors by losing this way so there's no problem.

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Trivium you played extremely well. Seriously.

Thanks man, I think I did do a really good job lying and I'm happy to hear somebody else does too. Did you like that interaction I had with bef? I left that little gift for you

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Maybe it was profli who mentioned that

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VOTE: Trivium

Doc and Watcher in same game plus a strongman ninja seems ridiculous.

Considering scum apparently had only goons, this setup was maybe kinda broken? Giving scum one role that hard counters town would have been...okay?

Eh, trivium you were a goon right?

Yeah lol if I was scum pr I wouldn't have selfvoted just then. Might have been broken, who knows, a lot of it was the overbussing going on, and your watching obviously, though I'm not sure even I could have gotten to lylo like this

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Btw lolwagons the only reason you were so convinced I was town was because I treated you & profli like yall were smart and you were

Doughboy it's okay, I've got thicker skin than I make it sound like. Just look out for people who don't, same thing I said about mala, we don't know each other's situations. Have a good day dude.

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This game taught me when to focus on town lynches over bussing. I don't think that means bussing is never a good policy, but I suppose there's times to do it and times not to. Not trying to throw shade at ruby but I felt like I didn't get a lot of communication there. Maybe could have won if that slot had been a liiittle more active, but hey I didn't exactly do my scummates any favors by losing this way so there's no problem.

You guys were in a rough spot D1 and I'm not sure I would blame RR for their decision between 1. Lynch a scumbuddy and 2. Lynch a town PR, particularly when there were townies caught in a tossup between both options. Like, my dumbass would have lynched dr. Doolittle if the game would have allowed it, and I would have been monstrously wrong.

I think scum players dont really take good stock of the kind of shit they can get away with. You could have had all 3 of you hard pushing Doolittle and loudly controlling the narrative of the game and forcing that through. Theres a psychological effect to a bunch of people agreeing with each other and scum can use that to their advantage. And if it didn't work, and bef still got lynched, youd have townies going "well no way the whole scum team went all in on the same wagon, so theres probably only one scum there if any", or hell even "no way scum hard defends a doomed buddy" pops up sometimes. If you're active and argumentative you can do a lot of whateverthehellyouplease and talk your way out of bad situations and town will let it happen.

that's good to know. Actually I wanted to keep doolittle alive, the kill was ruby's at the end while I was at work

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Reason being I figured he'd kill the wrong people. I was right btw so lol

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Yeah tbh I though once Profii flopped VT that Triv was a friendly neighbor. So his fake soft claiming could have been very dangerous. Still really enjoyed playing with y’all though

Yeah I figured he was a pr who was just really sure I was town, I didn't want to risk it and I knew killing profli would make me look super town

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speaking of which lol I'd like to play more games with you in them, let me know when you plan on queuing for one if that's alright

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That’s alright but I truly had Triv as friendly neighbor who visited Pro N1. If I hadn’t gotten that watcher report and he had claimed that...

lol if I was friendly neighbor I would have immmmmediately visited doughboy just to fuck with him

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Interesting simple but fun setup
Thank you for modding and sorry for being an ass.

My best friend lost his battle to cancer and it’s been a long 2 years.

It's okay man, no hard feelings. I had some fun trying to dodge your lynch tbh.

Cancer's the real ass

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I have to think people were cussing me out in that Scum thread lol

Nah it was mostly egix

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VOTE: Cancer