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[Chateau Lobby]

Less is more.

[Sashaddin]

Where are we at?
Who should I vote next?
Do my reads count for anything?
Who believes me?

1. Many small uncommital wagons.
2. The one you want to pressure I guess.
3. I'm reading you and find you credible.
4. I tried hard to scumread you, but I can't. So I believe you.

[joges]

Why do you give (very small) cases on your outside scum reads, but don't provide anything on me or NM? If scum read us more than them, surely you have reasons, right?

Or maybe Chateau could actually make a case on me...

Let me give a hint to those "not in the know" about how serious (i.e. dangerous)

as scum

some of the players in this game are:

Almost50:

Not to be arrogant, but many consider me a very dangerous scum player, and I'm often the N1 investigation check. The downside is when I'm Town I am also often the N1 kill, so you should decide whether to take that risk and check me on N1 or wait to see if I'm dead anyway.

Not_Mafia:

He's dangerous as scum because he's charming. half the players on MS want to policy lynch him for his play, while the other half (myself included) enjoy his company to the point they won't vote him unless he is mod-confirmed scum.

Chateau Lobby:

I don't know exactly who this is, but the play style reminds me of a few dangerous players. (I won't list them so as to not out his true identity according to his wish).

Xtoxm:

Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort.

This is NOT to say the others are not good at scum, but I'm pointing out players who probably can win it single handedly for their team.

I'd also keep an eye of Persy, despite my own narrative about him replacing out often as scum. I've seen him do it like 3 times before, but I'm not 100% he'd do that everytime he rolls scum.

I looked at this post and made my choice about you two. Also you two are the only two in the game that I've played with before (unless someone is on an alt account I'm not familiar with) and from my mind set think that it would be one of, if not both of, you that would make someone want to play "seriously." This is also the post that made me decide A50 was scum.

[joges]

Joges

People are afriad to lynch
A50.

Move your vote to Persivul
or
overkill

for more impact.

We can get A50 later
if we need to.

No need to be scared.

I'm fine on A50 for now. He is my biggest scum read. I will help you with those wagons if A50 becomes futile.

[Persivul]

Spoiler:

Why do you give (very small) cases on your outside scum reads, but don't provide anything on me or NM? If scum read us more than them, surely you have reasons, right?

Or maybe Chateau could actually make a case on me...

Let me give a hint to those "not in the know" about how serious (i.e. dangerous)

as scum

some of the players in this game are:

Almost50:

Not to be arrogant, but many consider me a very dangerous scum player, and I'm often the N1 investigation check. The downside is when I'm Town I am also often the N1 kill, so you should decide whether to take that risk and check me on N1 or wait to see if I'm dead anyway.

Not_Mafia:

He's dangerous as scum because he's charming. half the players on MS want to policy lynch him for his play, while the other half (myself included) enjoy his company to the point they won't vote him unless he is mod-confirmed scum.

Chateau Lobby:

I don't know exactly who this is, but the play style reminds me of a few dangerous players. (I won't list them so as to not out his true identity according to his wish).

Xtoxm:

Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort.

This is NOT to say the others are not good at scum, but I'm pointing out players who probably can win it single handedly for their team.

I'd also keep an eye of Persy, despite my own narrative about him replacing out often as scum. I've seen him do it like 3 times before, but I'm not 100% he'd do that everytime he rolls scum.

I looked at this post and made my choice about you two. Also you two are the only two in the game that I've played with before (unless someone is on an alt account I'm not familiar with) and from my mind set think that it would be one of, if not both of, you that would make someone want to play "seriously." This is also the post that made me decide A50 was scum.

You're scum reading me because A50 isn't playing seriously, and because he said "I'd also keep an eye of Persy"?

Am I understanding this correctly?

[0verki11]

Homesite is Town of Salem forum btw.

[Rob14]

Vote Count #1.6:

0verki11:

Not_Mafia, Clemency, Gamma Emerald (3)

Persivul:

stan1ey, Chateau Lobby (2)

Springtrap:

Persivul, UnaBombaH (2)

Almost50:

Xtoxm, joges (2)

Chateau Lobby:

Almost50 (1)

Not Voting:

Springtrap, 0verki11, Sashaddin, GuyInFreezer

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

V/LA:

None.

Deadline:

(expired on 2018-12-13 18:35:00)

[Rob14]

Clemency has been prodded.

[Chateau Lobby]

Joges

People are afriad to lynch
A50.

Move your vote to Persivul
or
overkill

for more impact.

We can get A50 later
if we need to.

No need to be scared.

I'm fine on A50 for now. He is my biggest scum read. I will help you with those wagons if A50 becomes futile.

We know you SR A50.
Me too.
But

Now is not the time.
His wagon will not gain momentum.

If he is scum
He is not the only one.

Make your vote count.
We can always
Move our vote
Back to
A50

When the time
Is right.

[stan1ey]

@Sashaddin you're playing in a way thats hard for me to get a read on you. how comes you arent voting? whos most likely to be mafia in your opinion

[Chateau Lobby]

@Sashaddin you're playing in a way thats hard for me to get a read on you. how comes you arent voting? whos most likely to be mafia in your opinion

Any reason as to why you are asking only sash?

[stan1ey]

Theres only a few players i dont have a read on, some of which i am not bothering to try with and some i think when i see them post more I'll get a read naturally but i can't see that happening with Sash

[Chateau Lobby]

Theres only a few players i dont have a read on, some of which i am not bothering to try with and some i think when i see them post more I'll get a read naturally but i can't see that happening with Sash

Who are your
current
null reads?

[GuyInFreezer]

Hmm unless it changed Normal games suppose to include the info if daychat is enabled, right?

Because if daychat is not enabled, then few of the things I read become juicy.

[Sashaddin]

@Sashaddin you're playing in a way thats hard for me to get a read on you. how comes you arent voting? whos most likely to be mafia in your opinion

If you look at my meta, I often have no vote when Day 1 ends. I'm just this way, I'm more of an observer early on.

Right now, I'd go for Overkill or A50. The first one because I trust some on the wagon and his situation seems murky.
A50 because of his saga around his account change. Sounds weird.
VOTE: 0verki11

Town leans: Chateau Lobby, Not_Mafia, Stan1ey, Percivul

You're not the first to having trouble reading me, I don't have an orthodox style. I also made the mistake of joining this game when I still had one going on. I regret it a bit, that's a lot of players to keep track of at once.
I'll get more active pretty soon, work will be less hard on me and I'll be in vacation soon.

[Sashaddin]

Hmm unless it changed Normal games suppose to include the info if daychat is enabled, right?

Because if daychat is not enabled, then few of the things I read become juicy.

I never played a game where it wasn't. I thought "enabled" was the standard. Must be hell to play without.

[joges]

Spoiler:

Why do you give (very small) cases on your outside scum reads, but don't provide anything on me or NM? If scum read us more than them, surely you have reasons, right?

Or maybe Chateau could actually make a case on me...

Let me give a hint to those "not in the know" about how serious (i.e. dangerous)

as scum

some of the players in this game are:

Almost50:

Not to be arrogant, but many consider me a very dangerous scum player, and I'm often the N1 investigation check. The downside is when I'm Town I am also often the N1 kill, so you should decide whether to take that risk and check me on N1 or wait to see if I'm dead anyway.

Not_Mafia:

He's dangerous as scum because he's charming. half the players on MS want to policy lynch him for his play, while the other half (myself included) enjoy his company to the point they won't vote him unless he is mod-confirmed scum.

Chateau Lobby:

I don't know exactly who this is, but the play style reminds me of a few dangerous players. (I won't list them so as to not out his true identity according to his wish).

Xtoxm:

Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort.

This is NOT to say the others are not good at scum, but I'm pointing out players who probably can win it single handedly for their team.

I'd also keep an eye of Persy, despite my own narrative about him replacing out often as scum. I've seen him do it like 3 times before, but I'm not 100% he'd do that everytime he rolls scum.

I looked at this post and made my choice about you two. Also you two are the only two in the game that I've played with before (unless someone is on an alt account I'm not familiar with) and from my mind set think that it would be one of, if not both of, you that would make someone want to play "seriously." This is also the post that made me decide A50 was scum.

You're scum reading me because A50 isn't playing seriously, and because he said "I'd also keep an eye of Persy"?

Am I understanding this correctly?

No, I'm scum reading you because when I play it out in my head I see A50 wanting to play seriously for a reason. So they I have to think, what reason would make him want to play seriously? And the reason I come up with is because he likes his scum team. So then, why does he like his scum team? Then I read his posts where he loves on all the great scummers in this thread and I've picked you and Not_Mafia as his partners. Until someone provides me information that gives me a reason to think something else, my head remains here.

[joges]

Joges

People are afriad to lynch
A50.

Move your vote to Persivul
or
overkill

for more impact.

We can get A50 later
if we need to.

No need to be scared.

I'm fine on A50 for now. He is my biggest scum read. I will help you with those wagons if A50 becomes futile.

We know you SR A50.
Me too.
But

Now is not the time.
His wagon will not gain momentum.

If he is scum
He is not the only one.

Make your vote count.
We can always
Move our vote
Back to
A50

When the time
Is right.

I will consider switching soon. Overkill has been a scum read of mine, definitely. But we've seen their wagon to L1 or L2 today already. Why do you think it lost it's grip?

[Sashaddin]

Town leans: Chateau Lobby, Not_Mafia, Stan1ey, Percivul

After rereading the latest posts: add xtoxm, jorges and Gamma.

[Persivul]

Hmm unless it changed Normal games suppose to include the info if daychat is enabled, right?

In a Normal, if scum have day talk (without an encryptor), it must be noted by mod.

[Persivul]

No, I'm scum reading you because when I play it out in my head I see A50 wanting to play seriously for a reason. So they I have to think, what reason would make him want to play seriously? And the reason I come up with is because he likes his scum team. So then, why does he like his scum team? Then I read his posts where he loves on all the great scummers in this thread and I've picked you and Not_Mafia as his partners. Until someone provides me information that gives me a reason to think something else, my head remains here.

OK, you're scum reading me because:
- A50 wants to play seriously, as evidenced by his switch from his alt
- He wants to play seriously because he rolled scum with a good scum team and wants the win for his records
- He just went ahead and openly named some players that would make a good scum team
- You picked two of those named players

Is that accurate?

[joges]

Hmm unless it changed Normal games suppose to include the info if daychat is enabled, right?

In a Normal, if scum have day talk (without an encryptor), it must be noted by mod.

So it's not in the rules of this game, that means scum either has an encryptor or doesn't have daychat?

[Clemency]

oof i've been prodded
this game is really boring

[joges]

No, I'm scum reading you because when I play it out in my head I see A50 wanting to play seriously for a reason. So they I have to think, what reason would make him want to play seriously? And the reason I come up with is because he likes his scum team. So then, why does he like his scum team? Then I read his posts where he loves on all the great scummers in this thread and I've picked you and Not_Mafia as his partners. Until someone provides me information that gives me a reason to think something else, my head remains here.

OK, you're scum reading me because:
- A50 wants to play seriously, as evidenced by his switch from his alt
- He wants to play seriously because he rolled scum with a good scum team and wants the win for his records
- He just went ahead and openly named some players that would make a good scum team
- You picked two of those named players

Is that accurate?

A50 keeps track of his stats, which means he cares about them. That tells me there's something about this game A50 likes. A50's post telling everyone how to deal with him at Night reeked of scum to me. Because of this, I'm scum reading A50. Because A50 is scum to me, I've decided that's his reason for switching. But I don't think A50 would just switch because he is scum, but rather because of who he is scum with. Maybe I'm wrong about it being BOTH you and Not_Mafia. But if I put myself in A50s shoes and think how I think he is thinking, I would switch accounts for a good scum team. To me, you and Not_Mafia are the two I know the most of, and make the most sense to me as being the people he would want to switch for. This is further proven possible by his post declaring you all good scum players. I believe this is the same post he tries to give orders on how to handle him at night. The same post that gives me my original scum read on him.

I feel like your questions have been hoping for me to give you a simple "Yep" answer to what you are implying. While you're not ever far from accurate, your wording looks like a trap.

For instance, if I just agree with this post, the final bullet makes it seem more like I'm "just randomly picking scum" which is not the case. Especially considering I've already given the reason I'm choosing you and Not_Mafia as his scum buddies in a previous post.

[Chateau Lobby]

I will consider switching soon. Overkill has been a scum read of mine, definitely. But we've seen their wagon to L1 or L2 today already. Why do you think it lost it's grip?

Because of this

Gonna stick to my guns VOTE: Persivul

We can vote him again.
Here I will help

VOTE: overkill

Joges,
now show me what you got