Open 73 - Assassin in the Palace (Game Over!) before 595

[Oman]

/confirm

[Oman]

ZOMG SCUM KORLASH YOU DIE NOW!

[Oman]

FARSIDE IS PLAYING

Vote Farside

OMGUS!

[Oman]

Wait, I forgot you were the king.

Vote Korlash

[Oman]

@dahill:

No talky about ongoing games even though we are both dead there.

Vote: Shamrock

St. Patrick's Day was in March. Its May, Get with the Program!

oops sorry

unvote

Vote Pokerface

for going all /in on his first hand

lames.

[Oman]

Oh page two, right.

uhhh...still like my vote on....someone.

[Oman]

Shhh scum.

[Oman]

I'm short on time. Can anyone (pref. not scum) give me the lowdown on the other game's strats.

[Oman]

Thats the best they've got? Why would I read a game then?

FOOLS!

Uhhhh, someone is scum, and this korlash wagon sucks.

NEW WAGON!

*Reads vote count*

Uh....

Unvote Vote Shamrock

[Oman]

Why aren't you wagoning Shamrock with me, we need to take this sucker down!

[Oman]

Gives the scum less information. Remember, lynching scum does nothing if we reveal the king in the process.

[Oman]

I don't believe in starting a bandwagon against someone we have no idea of their alignment is a good idea, even for the sake of speedlynching. That's why I voted Oman, he understands the game and is trying to use it to his advantage (that is, if he's the assassin)

Okay look. We all know who the king is, right?

The longer we talk, the more information we give the asssasin. The easier it is for him to hit the king on his suicide.

Unvote Vote Voodoo

For that reason Voodoo is hindering the lynch, thus he is my current #1 scum suspect.

[Oman]

Can he be d2?

[Oman]

unless we get this right the first time then D2 doesn't matter.

Unvote:, Vote: voodo

Explain?

[Oman]

There is a reason not to speedlynch which I just picked up off Korlash's last post.

Vote Farside22

You're setting off scum bells.

[Oman]

dahill is creeping up the scumlist.

[Oman]

To tell you the truth, Korlash could've been fakeclaiming guard as king.

NOTE: I am not saying he is or isn't, just that he could've.

[Oman]

The above is correct.

[Oman]

Vote Farside

[Oman]

why farside22 is scumbags

confirm

No slash.

Oman is playing!
vote: Oman

? did you think I was scum when you voted me?

unvote:
vote: the Jester
something needs to get started with these slackers.

votes someone who can't fight back.

BW quick strategy is the way to go.
unvote:
vote: shamrock

Is also trying to get as many lynched as he can so that he can NK endgame the rest.

unless we get this right the first time then D2 doesn't matter.

Unvote:, Vote: voodo

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?!?! THIS:

There is only one person trying to kill the king. Once we figure out who the game is over.
vote: Korlash

?? LIES! Once we lynch him he gets to kill.

Am I reading this right or is this sarcasm?

What does it matter? He's saying he's fakeclaimed guard which would make him king (I assume cause he's dead I can say thes).

Yet you actually ask him if ythe's serious that he fakeclaimed, cause you want it to say that he's king?!?! SCUM!

So farside is scum. Please vote him kktnxbai.

[Oman]

No I realised speedlynching is bad because if we speedlynch, then all the guards go and the assasin has a smaller pool to work from. If I was assasin, I would've riden the "speed lynch ftw" thing until dahil and korlash were dead.

[Oman]

Okay. The second point is WIFOM.

But what about the first point? Do you not agree that speedlynching tons of guards and watching the assasin's pool for king shrink continously is BAD?

[Oman]

I see...

Your logic escapes me, and I have a real wish to vote you now. I'm going to review your position on the other wagons.

Why do you think i'm the assasin?

[Oman]

3rd on the first wagon and first on the second.

Hmmm.

You're creeping up, but I don't want to lynch another guard willy nilly today.

"We're going to have to lynch, might as well be you" is a terrible, terrible logic.

[Oman]

That doesn't have "No apparent reason" Its obvious. I said it because you are.

Setting up lynches ahead of time,

Our "speedlynch" strat would have suggested this is optimal

starting a bunch of wagons (The second assassin wagon hoped insane style in the large AiTP2),

Hey, for once a game that encourages wagoning like I enjoy doing. How do I not take advantage of that. Also, as assasin I'd be wary of starting wagons. Especially because starting a wagon on a king can give away an assasin in a heartbeat. Even though it could be a guard throwing the scum off.

giving suspicion lists (see the first assassin in AiTP1),

I find them as good. For one thing it can point to assasin in the wrong direction. I don't think you understand we can't just lynch guards from now.

And talk about flip flop. You are first to realize speed lynching is good. Then you say its bad.

You've never come up with a new thought during a mafia game? You've never established something then figured out its wrong?

Look at it this way:
Assasin lynched D1 - 1/8 chance of hitting king.

Speedlynch a few guards
Assasin lynched D4 (cause you'll lynch a guard today (me)) - 1/5 chance

Miss him for a while longer - 1/3, 1/2 etc.

So yeah, I figured out we can't just blindly speedlynch.

I think we can all agree that we need to hear from Shamrock before we proceed.

[Oman]

Why are you unsure about me now? I think I know, but tell me anyway.

[Oman]

*Wink*

[Oman]

BTW: Dahil is pretty much off my list now too.

Can we lynch Farside soon?

[Oman]

Dahill picked up that I was a guard. If he used the quite obvious crumb i dropped, he's guard as can be.

[Oman]

Yeah but quick != stupid.

[Oman]

Things that bug me about Poker:

So what we'll have to use is the same playstyle/strategy used in the other forum runnings of AiTP.

"We'll HAVE...."

Wow, thats not much.

Also, I don't want to lynch Poker for another reason. Its something the rules almost prohibit me mentioning, so I won't, but it has to do with Korlash's modkill.

[Oman]

PMed the mod.

[Oman]

Waiting for others to reread then.

I got nothing out of mine.

[Oman]

Unvote Vote Jester

You were asked for an explaition and you just switched wagons to an easier target.

[Oman]

You're still the lynch.

[Oman]

Hey, at least he said "the" jester.

[Oman]

Question here: would the assassin be on the guard wagon, or try to look good by not being on it?

Okay, well there is no reason for the assassin to NOT be on the wagon.

Unless he was trying to steer a wagon towards who he thought was king (but that would be silly).

Vote Jtdyer

[Oman]

Holy psychic farside.

[Oman]

EBWOP: Think about what we both recently said.

The we here would be me and madcrawdad. Carefully read what we each recently said

I understand. But please agree that jdtyer is a better choice.

[Oman]

I'm happy with

Vote Farside

[Oman]

EBWOP: farside is probably next, and in the small chance it's not one of those 2, then MCD

Put Dahill after MCD and you have a deal.

[Oman]

Well. I'm not going to answer either of those questions cause Dahill pretty much did it for me.

If thats a lynch....ahh regardless

Unvote Vote Poker

[Oman]

Vote Farside

[Oman]

Yeah, it was pretty tight. If we were speedlynching then he would've been lynched.

If he is the assasin it was lucky for him.

Actually, I suppose it was lucky even if he wasn't the assasin.

[Oman]

I felt pretty good that we had the assassin pegged with PokerFace. Knowing now that he was a guard, I recommend that folks read his arguments, and look more closely at Oman.

vote: Oman

I've read enough to be sure oman is not the assasin

Your role PM?

[Oman]

Oh shit. I AM the assassin

Unvote

Damn.

Vote Dahil

(BTW: I'll tell you a secret: I'm not the assassin)

[Oman]

Oh yeah, I did forget about that.

Unvote Vote Farside

[Oman]

But there is no-one to hammer.

Oh wait, dahill voted back there.

Unvote Vote MCD

[Oman]

If he isn't Tomorrow I'm voting....uh actually...hmm, how about I don't give any information in case he needs to make his kill

[Oman]

Yep.

I've been considering who has the most information here, its an interesting circle.

[Oman]

Yeah. My circle is like this:

The following people do not know who the assassin is:

King

The following do not know who the guard is:

King
Assassin(*)

The following do not know who the king is:

Assassin(*)

(*)The assassin has several day's worth of clues now.

Farside: I'd like to see you vote first, I'm getting huge scumtells off you.

[Oman]

You can put it in bold if you wish.

Vote Farside

[Oman]

Vote dahill

End. I win.

[Oman]

unvote vote dahill

[Oman]

Thank god I made that.

Slightly less dramatic. I won nevertheless.



I had Shamrock/MCD pegged as king from the start! All the way through 'till the wagon started and you guys wanted him lynched.

Holy hell, i thought I was screwed in that endgame cuase the guard knew who I was.

I thought Farside the guard quickly because he asked for my opinion, but when dahill responded the way he did, I knew the truth.

[Oman]

i basically cleared him at the beginning when he said "oh wait farside is the king"

It was a gambit I wanted to make early, he was my first king choice before I switched to shamrock.

The rules came in after that to save my arse.

[Oman]

Yep its true, you guys would've won if you'd speedlynched me when you suggested it.

The game was ruined at that point,

No it wasn't, I made a play that was not against the rules, and you guys cleared me too early. There were a few areas when you should've lynched me, but I got away from them.

At least you know I was noble when I was trying to get Oman modkilled for cheating. Distinction my ass.

There is a heavy distinction! Korlash said "Poker IS the king" I said that "Korlash could've been fakeclaiming guard as king. Not saying he is or isn't, only that he could've" it was more a game theory discussion than what he did.

We should have lynched Oman back on day three when I brought that stuff up on him.

Yup!

but if I had I feared I would let too much out especially after dahill unvoted him.

Yeah! I said Shamrock should chime in and dahill unvoted.

Dahill: why did you unvote me there?

It was 3 to lynch and Oman just put Farside at L-1 on day 6. No guard would ever put the King at L-1.

Damn straight! I would have gone after me right then and there.

The shenanigans rule should have been around from the start.

Yep, but it wasn't. I wasn't even aware that that was a rule on the other games.

Poker: you said you caught me with a trap there, what was that?

Oman I'm nominating you for best single killer. (or whatever comes close to that discription) for this game.

YAY!

In general I don't think I'll support Oman's nomination only because he got lucky in some respects with game rules.

Total Bullshit! I played this game well! There were times where I could've been lynched but I played out of them. Don't take this away from me because you're upset about this.

Hey Oman what did you PM rishi about earlier in the game? Rishi acknowledging that comment threw things off a bit too in your favor.

I PMed him Korlash's one, to get him modkilled.

[Oman]

I PMed him Korlash's one, to get him modkilled.

You dirty bastard lol...

Eh i woulda done the same to you I suppose... >.>

If you were the assassin you would've.

[Oman]

Ha! Nice.

[Oman]

BUT luck was a factor in your victory.

Isn't luck a factor in all victories?

Getting Korlash modkilled was shrewd. I would have waited for the mod to step in and not pmed him imediatly. The mod didn't imediatly kill you. Even though that rule wasn't around back then. Getting him imediatly killed was kinda hypocritical. Pot calling kettle black

I didn't break a rule, I make sure that all my gambits are within the rules. Korlash, however, made the play AFTER the rule came in, with full knowledge of consequences.

It wasn't hypocritical as I was unknowingly breaking a non-retroactive rule that was to come in a later date, where he was know exactly the penalty for his actions.

I did ask Rishi to sit on it for a while, I wanted to see it play out.

No distinction. In a sense there is, you say something tastes good, I say it's delicious. Still the same thing.

No, its really not. I made it very VERY clear that I was not suggesting Korlash's role, whereas Korlash came right out and said that someone was the king.

Key point: Saying King. If you mention king in that aspect it's WIFOMing who the king is/is not. Both of those go against that added rule.

Read the rule again:

Shenanigans that I won't stand for include:
1. Making a real or fake claim about someone being the king.

I did neither. I said that just because Korlash claims doesn't mean his is a guard.

To tell you the truth, Korlash could've been fakeclaiming guard as king.

NOTE: I am not saying he is or isn't, just that he could've.

I made it quite clear that it was a theory discussion and not a unique player discussion.


I applaud Rishi for having the head to ask Thesp, though I agree a reshuffle might have taken away this hollow victory.

Now it feels pointless.

[Oman]

Did you or did you not imediatly pm Rishi and suggest a Mod killing of Korlash? You said you did and thus you were making a judgement call that the mod should have soul privlage to control. And in retrospect asking him to sit on it for awhile is like saying "I want him to be alive longer to tell me more." You should have sent Rishi no message at all and let him deal with it by himself.

It was an assassin move. I will not say that as a guard I would have done that. I certainly wouldn't've. I took on the role of the assassin, and while it was probably arrogant I just wanted to point it out. As a mod, sometimes I don't read every word in a post like that, and I like it when players PM me and make my decision easier.

The Jester made the same play trying to get me modkilled

Luck is not involved in all victories. There are some games on this site where scum have won without being voted outside of random vote day. And all scum got run up with perfect town wins. BUT despite not supporting you for a scummy I will acknowledge that you put some hardwork into this game. Good job.

Luck in mafia is so my next mini-essay.

[Oman]

This was the PM:

1. Making a real or fake claim about someone being the king.

so unless someone screws up and tells him/her poker is the king

PLEASE don't attach my name to this. And if you can sit on this for a day or so so that I can pull some info from it.

I see what you mean about no player suggesting it though.

[Oman]

Yes. And no rule changes throughout

I'd play.

[Oman]

Given that I'm likely to NOT be the assassin I'd want to discuss the king. I think that kind of WIFOM really does take skill as its too easy to slip up and give away too much (Plus the assassin can say stuff under the branch of WIFOM i.e. my play in this game).

Its a different game, but I'll say yes, they should be allowed to.