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Post Post #9 (isolation #0) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:44 pm

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In post 8, Springtrap wrote:I hope I can be interesting
You are to me.

VOTE: Springtrap
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Post Post #24 (isolation #1) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:03 am

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In post 17, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Not_Mafia
WAGONOMICS
Loooooool! Still funny!
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Post Post #64 (isolation #2) » Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:09 am

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In post 63, Clemency wrote:i never leave rvs
True.
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Post Post #109 (isolation #3) » Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:47 am

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Imho: Almost 50 is a serious account while AP is where he'll roleplay Austin Powers and fill the thread with spam. Maybe he rolled something good and to be more serious to go along with it he switched accounts.
Let's try to see which side he's on now.
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Post Post #111 (isolation #4) » Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:53 am

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In post 110, Gamma Emerald wrote:imagine scenario that fit what you described that might make your vote not good.
Pressuring a town power role into exposing himself tooo early, I guess. I'll go make coffee.
UNVOTE: Late40's :lol:
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Post Post #121 (isolation #5) » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:23 am

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In post 113, Chateau Lobby wrote:That unvote is scummier than the vote.
You know it's true.
Probably. I'm beginning to think I don't understand this game anymore.... :facepalm:
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Post Post #123 (isolation #6) » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:36 am

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The "probably" referred to the
perception
my post might create. Sorry for being not clear enough.
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Post Post #311 (isolation #7) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:52 pm

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In post 260, Persivul wrote:How about sash and springtrap? I don't see any significant scumhunting from their ISOs, and that's what you're scumreading me for.

Why aren't they in the conversation?
Because I have a day job and it's my wife's birthday today. I had to prepare it yesterday.
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Post Post #312 (isolation #8) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:55 pm

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I went through the ISO, and can't figure out why 0verki11 got wagoned this hard this early. Can I have a heads-up please?
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Post Post #313 (isolation #9) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:04 pm

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In post 181, Chateau Lobby wrote:Let's consolidate our 4 wagons.
Those on spring, move to overkill.
Those on Gamma, move to Persivul.
I imagine this post is extremely towny or very very scummy, but I can't figure out which one it is. Any opinions? :?:
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Post Post #314 (isolation #10) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:06 pm

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In post 313, Sashaddin wrote:
In post 181, Chateau Lobby wrote:Let's consolidate our 4 wagons.
Those on spring, move to overkill.
Those on Gamma, move to Persivul.
I imagine this post is extremely towny or very very scummy, but I can't figure out which one it is. Any opinions? :?:
Didn't see 304 sorry.
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Post Post #315 (isolation #11) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:08 pm

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In post 301, Springtrap wrote:It appears shutting up is a legitimate strategy around here. That doesn't really work with my friends.
I get scum read often because I post less than average. Your mileage may vary.
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Post Post #354 (isolation #12) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:37 pm

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In post 312, Sashaddin wrote:I went through the ISO, and can't figure out why 0verki11 got wagoned this hard this early. Can I have a heads-up please?
In post 353, Xtoxm wrote:People who have failed to have any impression at all on me so far:

Gif
Ubh
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Clemency

I can prob think about purging/pressuring these soonish if this doesn't change
Help me out with 312 and I'll be able to contribute more. It's my first large game and I'm overwhelmed by everything that's going on.
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Post Post #356 (isolation #13) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:16 am

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In post 109, Sashaddin wrote:Imho: Almost 50 is a serious account while AP is where he'll roleplay Austin Powers and fill the thread with spam. Maybe he rolled something good and to be more serious to go along with it he switched accounts.
Let's try to see which side he's on now.
VOTE: Almost50
Some wanted to vote him, some did and never had the same reaction I got.
In post 134, GuyInFreezer wrote:Voting your null read is always a good start.
See above.
In post 142, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 136, Almost50 wrote:In sum, I can't find one good reason to vote Overkill over half the players list.
I mean it'd still be better place to vote comparing to where you have your vote on right now.
In post 236, Almost50 wrote:The mere shear of willingness to preemptively end the day here is alarming, and with everybody ganging up on Overkill I am confident he is Town. Not gonna touch this wagon.
In post 246, Almost50 wrote:My theory is Scum ARE pushing Overkill, but it's far from "to lynch them". It's a role fishing scheme to get a claim if that's the case.
I'd like to know what to think about 0verki11, the opinions on him are pretty diverse too, it gets confusing. Above is A50 townreading him against the flow.

I don't have a problem with his claim per se, he may have been clumsy to get where he's at, so for the moment I stand with A50. Overkill got to L-1 pretty quick and didn't stay long.

The three last votes for the wagon were: Clemency and Unabombah (who faked a L-1) and Stanley. I assume none of those could be scum, those are risky votes to make so close to lynch.
The first two unvotes were: Chateau (switching to Stanley), Percivul (but it took a long time).
This is what I'm focusing on right now.
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Post Post #358 (isolation #14) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:21 am

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In post 355, Gamma Emerald wrote:It’s 14 players, not that much more compared to a mini. And Overkill isn’t the only wagon. Step it up.
I didn't see your post as I was fiddling with mine. Well this is what I'm trying to see through here.

P.S. Having 1.5x more people than a mini makes my Excel sheet 2.25x bigger! :lol: :evil:
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Post Post #359 (isolation #15) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:23 am

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In post 357, Xtoxm wrote:It's the first wagon of the game, it's not going to have a serious case behind it. You wagon people to get reactions from them/see how others react.
Ok, I thought he really had made a huge mistake that I didn't see or something. Thanks.
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Post Post #370 (isolation #16) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:12 am

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In post 360, Gamma Emerald wrote:1.5? It’s ONE person past being a Mini.
Oh. I'm playing micros then. 9-10 players.
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Post Post #376 (isolation #17) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:46 am

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In post 362, Chateau Lobby wrote:Where are we at?
Who should I vote next?
Do my reads count for anything?
Who believes me?
1. Many small uncommital wagons.
2. The one you want to pressure I guess.
3. I'm reading you and find you credible.
4. I tried hard to scumread you, but I can't. So I believe you.
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Post Post #389 (isolation #18) » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:46 am

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In post 384, stan1ey wrote:@Sashaddin you're playing in a way thats hard for me to get a read on you. how comes you arent voting? whos most likely to be mafia in your opinion
If you look at my meta, I often have no vote when Day 1 ends. I'm just this way, I'm more of an observer early on.

Right now, I'd go for Overkill or A50. The first one because I trust some on the wagon and his situation seems murky.
A50 because of his saga around his account change. Sounds weird.
VOTE: 0verki11

Town leans: Chateau Lobby, Not_Mafia, Stan1ey, Percivul

You're not the first to having trouble reading me, I don't have an orthodox style. I also made the mistake of joining this game when I still had one going on. I regret it a bit, that's a lot of players to keep track of at once. :(
I'll get more active pretty soon, work will be less hard on me and I'll be in vacation soon.
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Post Post #390 (isolation #19) » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:51 am

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In post 388, GuyInFreezer wrote:Hmm unless it changed Normal games suppose to include the info if daychat is enabled, right?

Because if daychat is not enabled, then few of the things I read become juicy.
I never played a game where it wasn't. I thought "enabled" was the standard. Must be hell to play without.
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Post Post #393 (isolation #20) » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:53 am

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In post 389, Sashaddin wrote:Town leans: Chateau Lobby, Not_Mafia, Stan1ey, Percivul
After rereading the latest posts: add xtoxm, jorges and Gamma.
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Post Post #412 (isolation #21) » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:15 am

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At work, so I'll try to remember without my notes at home.

Not_Mafia: third game with him iirc, I trust him the way he posts again. I don't see why he's not trustable (well I thought that the first game but now I know him).

My townleans don't come from who pushes in the same direction than I do right now. I prefer relying on posts than to analyze the credibility. So... I liked Chateau's posts, Perci's, and yours too!

You are right I didn't add Clemncy. Must I absolutely townread everyone on my wagon? You said yourself that there could be scum on it...
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Post Post #413 (isolation #22) » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:21 am

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In post 410, Xtoxm wrote:#407 makes me wanna sheep it.
Yeah, it's a good post, that's why I got him in my town bunch. I'd vote myself if I didn't know better :lol:
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Post Post #414 (isolation #23) » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:31 am

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In post 356, Sashaddin wrote:The three last votes for the wagon were: Clemency and Unabombah (who faked a L-1) and Stanley. I assume none of those could be scum, those are risky votes to make so close to lynch.
The first two unvotes were: Chateau (switching to Stanley), Percivul (but it took a long time).
This is what I'm focusing on right now.
I didn't like Chateau unvoting quickly, but his reads are very towny to me, so I can't scumread him really.
Clemency voted early enough to hop on without too much suspicion and didn't unvote. That's why I'm not townreading him.
I like Percivul in general, he let his vote on long enough to make me think he wanted pressure. He also posts well.
Unahbombah gave me a weird feel with the fake L-1. I know it's a common tactic, but I couldn't tell from wich allegiance it could come from or if it was a genuine error or not.
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Post Post #482 (isolation #24) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:32 am

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In post 437, stan1ey wrote:UnAh makes a very good point in 407. Sasha says he scumreads Overkill because he trusts those on the wagon but his post suggests the only one he trusts is NM:
In post 412, Sashaddin wrote:Not_Mafia: third game with him iirc, I trust him the way he posts again. I don't see why he's not trustable (well I thought that the first game but now I know him).
@Sasha why do you trust him?

All he is done all game is push for overkill and post memes, and youre scumreading overkill based on this? i cant see how anyone can have anything other than a null read on NM so this looks like youre covering up for 407
In post 412, Sashaddin wrote:You are right I didn't add Clemncy. Must I absolutely townread everyone on my wagon? You said yourself that there could be scum on it...
Ofc you dont, but its what you said here:
In post 389, Sashaddin wrote:Right now, I'd go for Overkill or A50. The first one because I trust some on the wagon and his situation seems murky.
Im also pretty sure UnaH is town this game based on my (albeit limited) experience playing a game with him before
, and at first I didnt think much of Sashas reply to my question but UnaH has made a very good point in 407 and sashas reply didnt do him any favours so id be willing to vote here
I trust Not_Mafia because in the games I've played with him, he had a really good eye. His style is unorthodox, but so far I'm sure he's town and can be relied on. Call it 50/50 experience and gut feeling. But I admit he's hard to read.

But... you say yourself above you trust UnaH playing 1 game with the guy; while this is at least the 3rd time I play with N_M. Yet you scumread for all this? Come on.
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Post Post #483 (isolation #25) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:34 am

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In post 409, UnaBombaH wrote:..and if we get a townflip forget I said anything. :roll:
...and if we get a townflip I get a free t-shirt with this mislynch.
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Post Post #487 (isolation #26) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:00 am

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In post 485, stan1ey wrote:I played a game with UnAh where he was mafia and it was incredibly easy to spot and he is playing a lot differently here.
What was different? :?:
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Post Post #489 (isolation #27) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:35 am

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In post 488, stan1ey wrote:He was acting very confident and his posts were patronising and suggested he knew more than others even though his arguments made no sense and were clearly manufactured, very very different to how he has played this game

Now since you asked me and I answered, what makes you think NM is town this game based on your experience?? Because it seems to me he plays the exact same way every game
So far he's done exactly the same as before: piling on good wagons and pointing out the bad ones; the guy got good reads usually. I imagine if he were scum one of these would change and since he plays a lot someone would probably have had some doubts on him too. It's more of a environmental situation than an isolated read on the guy, if you can understand what I'm trying to express (English is my second language).

This is my first large game, I only played minis before. When I asked if I was ready to play larges, I was told to spot a read you trust and sheep. I tried to scum read Chateau, couldn't. Same with N_M and Percivul. Of those 3 , only Chateau is new to me. Percy plays the same as last game so I can trust him as well. That's why I felt good on that wagon, even though I didn't fully understand Overkill's claim and what it meant.

Trying my best to answer you.
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Post Post #492 (isolation #28) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:40 am

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In post 490, Not_Mafia wrote:What's the most sensible river in France?

The seine
You're not helping my case, dude! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post Post #494 (isolation #29) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:10 am

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In post 493, UnaBombaH wrote:Sashaddin should be lynched because of a very telling and obvious scumpost.
I'll be snickering in the dead thread when you take that cop hat off.
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Post Post #495 (isolation #30) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:11 am

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Hey, UnaH, look at my meta and tell me if I had a game with a good Day 1. Hint: I never do.
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Post Post #509 (isolation #31) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:54 am

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In post 497, UnaBombaH wrote:Assuming you are town however..
You now have the unique position to get to scumhunting based on the content people are now actually providing ABOUT/AROUND YOU, and help town find the real scumsters.
True, thanks for reminding me this. Being a target can indeed tell a lot. I'll get on it tonight when the kids and wife are asleep; there is much to assimilate in this game.
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Post Post #510 (isolation #32) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:57 am

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In post 504, Almost50 wrote:Not like I'm SRing Sasha, but I don't mind voting her either.
<------------------- he, not she; ;)
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Post Post #512 (isolation #33) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:10 am

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In post 511, Persivul wrote:It can, but you have to be very careful in interpreting the pushes.
That's why I'll need peace and quiet, and some time too. I don't think I'm good at this, but I'll learn...
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Post Post #518 (isolation #34) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:02 pm

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In post 514, Persivul wrote:
In post 510, Sashaddin wrote: <------------------- he, not she; ;)
So why do you hit from the red tees? :twisted:
A guy goes golfing alone and meets a fine-looking lady. He asks her to play the round together and she accepts. After chatting and golfing for a while, she decides to give him a blowjob. They finish the round and both leave happily.
On Tuesday, he sees that girl again. Another round, another blowjob. Same for Wednesday and Thursday.
Friday comes and the guy goes golfing again, and the lady is still there for him to play with. On the third hole, she says: "There is something I want to tell you. I'm not really a man, I'm a pre-op transsexual. Does that bother you?". The guy screams, throws a couple of balls around, goes apeshit for a few seconds.... then turn to the "lady" and says:" YOU MOTHERFUCKER! You've been playing from the red tees all week!"

Obvious, I know. But I love that joke. :lol:
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Post Post #520 (isolation #35) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:33 pm

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In post 511, Persivul wrote:
In post 509, Sashaddin wrote:Being a target can indeed tell a lot.
It can, but you have to be very careful in interpreting the pushes.
Here is how I see my wagon:

1. Unabombah votes first. Hasn't let go since.Very vocal and argumentative. +Town
2. Xtoxm sheeps Unah, and tries to distract from A50 I think. +Scum?
Post looks very scummy to me. +Scum to A50
3. Stan1ey: Solo vote. Tries to distract from Overki11. Could go either way, but the guy's post is serious. +Town.
4. Percival sheeps the wagon. +Town? If he's scum, then Almost50 is probably too.
5. Almost50 sheeps Percivul. I'd say +Scum because it's L-3 now, close yet far from the hammer. The timing of the sheeping is also intriguing.

Unah < Stan1ey < Percivul < null < Xtoxm < Almost50

But apart from #2 I townread xtoxm so

U < P < S < X < n < A
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Post Post #524 (isolation #36) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:34 pm

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I'm at L-2 I think. :idea:
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Post Post #525 (isolation #37) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:46 pm

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Post #502 by Chateau Lobby » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:55 am
In post 502, Chateau Lobby wrote:Stanley,
You played me.
Your cred is 0
To me.
I am so
Disappoint.
I will
Not listen
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VOTE: overkill
Post #503 by Persivul » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:58 am
In post 503, Persivul wrote:VOTE: Sash

Sheeping.
Post #504 by Almost50 » Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:12 pm
In post 504, Almost50 wrote:Not like I'm SRing Sasha, but I don't mind voting her either.

P-edit: @Chateau: weren't you already voting there?

@Percy: OK...

VOTE: Sasha
If I understand the mechanics, you p-edit when you were typing and someone else was being done. Here, Almost50 posts 17 minutes after Chateau's post and 14 after Persivul. I imagine them cooordinating in PT for number 4 and 5 spots on my wagon during those minutes.
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Post Post #526 (isolation #38) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:47 pm

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Above was for.
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Post Post #532 (isolation #39) » Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:39 am

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In post 521, Xtoxm wrote:Tries to distract from prior solo vote
Whilst mentioning his name
The sneaky scum move
I took this as some opportunistic distancing between you two. My bad if it's not. Some scums like to vote their partners at rvs or be aggro towards another on Day 1 for this. I don't take the naming thing as AI though.You're still a townlean to me btw.
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Post Post #533 (isolation #40) » Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:42 am

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@MOD: In post Xtoxm takes his vote from A50 to me
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Post Post #543 (isolation #41) » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:46 pm

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In post 312, Sashaddin wrote:I went through the ISO, and can't figure out why 0verki11 got wagoned this hard this early. Can I have a heads-up please?
In post 542, Springtrap wrote:Can someone explain the Overkill wagon again?
I was wondering too...
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Post Post #552 (isolation #42) » Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:18 pm

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In post 544, 0verki11 wrote:
In post 543, Sashaddin wrote:
In post 312, Sashaddin wrote:I went through the ISO, and can't figure out why 0verki11 got wagoned this hard this early. Can I have a heads-up please?
In post 542, Springtrap wrote:Can someone explain the Overkill wagon again?
I was wondering too...
Am I allowed to put this to L1 now?
I meant :I have been wondering (and got no answer at that time).

The wagon is because of your claim.
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Post Post #563 (isolation #43) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:29 am

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This was my worst game ever. Back to the minis.
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