Open 742: C9++ (Game Over)

[ReaperOfSouls]

Votecount 1.1

ReaperOfSouls(2)

~ Almost50(4), Gnelf(2)

MariaR(2)

~ shema(7), Lovebird(10)

Egix96(2)

~ Clemency(4), Dunnstral(18)

shema(1)

~ Gamma Emerald(14)

No Lynch(1)

~ MariaR(9)

Gnelf(1)

~ 0verki11(6)

Gamma Emerald(1)

~ Persivul(10)

Dunnstral(1)

~ Egix96(7)


Not Voting (2): ReaperOfSouls(0), VeridianCleric(0)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-12-08 19:32:47)

Note: this one used the automated vote counter and I don't have time to verify it rn. Let me know if you notice any discrepancies.

Edit: Prodded ReaperOfSouls and VeridianCleric

Didn't even remember I was signed up. I just have to ask, since Gnelf has 3 heads is that one vote or 3?

[ReaperOfSouls]

i'd like to announce that this account is actually a 12 person hydra which means i control 12 votes

and also i have 5 different power roles, including double doctor allowing me to self heal every round

You always get all the good roles.

[ReaperOfSouls]

Didn't even remember I was signed up.

Oh, I bet this makes him town. Scum might ask mod to prod missing buddy during pregame

Though, I wouldn't be sure.

How sure are you that ROS is telling the truth there?

Because I heard that guy was as honest as they come.

[ReaperOfSouls]

What are the numbers in parens after the voter's name in the VC?

The player's name is a link to that vote. The number in parens is the player's number of posts in the game at the point of the vote count.

Edit: Prodded MariaR, Gnelf, & Shema

Was wondering that myself. Thanks.

[ReaperOfSouls]

As I recall...Open 668, but I was scum and you replaced in and ruined it for me.

So...

There you go. So, IF you're Town you are following a trend of SRing me anyway.

My advice is for you to ISO me and point out (to yourself) what scummy things I did so far, and IF you can find any, try to think why Town!me could do them too. If you can't find a Town motive, then and only then can you come back to me with your homework and if you're not satisfied with my answers you can glue your vote on me for the rest of the day.

Did you really just emphasize "if" I'm town?

Hell I know I'm missing alot; but come on.

[ReaperOfSouls]

Shema has not posted after being prodded, seeking replacement. They can continue in the game if they post before a replacement is found.
Prodding Lovebird.

I'd add another 2 votes on this one to force the replacement to catch up and play rather than play for time.

I am willing to be one of them.
VOTE: Shema

[ReaperOfSouls]

Shema has not posted after being prodded, seeking replacement. They can continue in the game if they post before a replacement is found.
Prodding Lovebird.

I'd add another 2 votes on this one to force the replacement to catch up and play rather than play for time.

I am willing to be one of them.
VOTE: Shema

Cast a full 8 hours before you replaced in.

[ReaperOfSouls]

Started as a wagon to ensure pressure. But lol hasn't given me a reason to remove my vote. Quite the opposite.

[ReaperOfSouls]

[ReaperOfSouls]

So when I flip town, the explanation for the connections between some of you will be?

[ReaperOfSouls]

VOTE: ReaperOfSouls

Bonzai

VOTE: Reaper
For your sake I hope this is correct

VOTE: Reaper

And again.. this is WEIRD! I mean, if this is literally the scum team they've got some ball to do this right after I said what I said.

UNVOTE:

I think I'm reading something backwards!

This^^^^

[ReaperOfSouls]

I am still suspicious of Clemency, besides snarkily posting wikipedia he hasn't make a legitimate defense

What legitimate defense had Reaper made at that point?

What am I making a defense for again? For adding my vote to a inactive slot when asked?
For being the target of the replacement for said inactive slot, merely for playing the same way I always play? (And when I say always, I mean in the few games I have played here.)
Where's the same out front town Persivul that is in everyone's face busting everyone's chops talking himself into circles and out of his own reads?
Not saying anything other then exactly what I am saying but Clemency plays in this range. Fluff and nothing. It takes a few to figure out if there is substance behind his slot or not. Almost50 seems pretty close to same I have had experience with(again limited.) Most I haven't played with before.

[ReaperOfSouls]

i wouldn't say my fluffposting makes me towny just because i always do it
i'm just trying a more aggressive style this game

And I am by no means vouching for you being town, just that it takes me a period of time to determine your alignment. I am trying to figure out if it is a concentrated effort to change styles or because the alignment is different.
Egix96 is in one of those also. Or maybe it's just that he hasn't been targeted as of yet.

[ReaperOfSouls]

What am I making a defense for again? For adding my vote to a inactive slot when asked?

No, for this:

Started as a wagon to ensure pressure. But lol hasn't given me a reason to remove my vote.

Quite the opposite.

The bolded means you have positive reasons to vote the slot. Yet when asked for those reasons, you can't give them.

I have them. But as I have witnessed in game with you, my methods and your's are different. Where as you will talk yourself in circles analyzing the same posts backwards and forwards until you change from one day to the next the meaning of what you are reading. I rely more of gut and feel. And because my way isn't your way, you will tunnel your thinking.

lol had applied pressure when they replaced in. And instead of going after the starters of the wagon, they went after the low hanging fruit. The lynch bait. Because it was easy. First Clemency, and now me.

[ReaperOfSouls]

lol had applied pressure when they replaced in. And instead of going after the starters of the wagon, they went after the low hanging fruit. The lynch bait. Because it was easy. First Clemency, and now me.

Well, yeah, the people who jump on a wagon without reasons are frequently scum read.

Also a scum tactic to pick low hanging fruit and tie up the rest of the phase.

[ReaperOfSouls]

Shema has not posted after being prodded, seeking replacement. They can continue in the game if they post before a replacement is found.
Prodding Lovebird.

I'd add another 2 votes on this one to force the replacement to catch up and play rather than play for time.

I am willing to be one of them.
VOTE: Shema

You're really not in a position to charge others with going after low-hanging fruit.

I added my vote to apply pressure on an inactive slot. So yes in that sense I am guilty. But I was the third vote. Which is what 2 less than is on me now? Wasn't in any danger of lynch.

Am I going to be you're first this game?

[ReaperOfSouls]

I added my vote to apply pressure on an inactive slot. So yes in that sense I am guilty.

Yep.

But I was the third vote.

You're new and apparently haven't heard it yet, but there's an old rule of thumb that third person on the wagon is scum.

Am I going to be you're first this game?

Maybe. The Wagons wagon is shit - three people have old Shema votes sitting there, and the fourth made a shit argument. IMO Wagons did well enough to not get lynched today. That leaves you as the only other currently viable wagon, with less than 1.5 days left in phase.

After our interactions I don't really want to lynch you at this point, but I'd lynch you before Wagons.

Do you have another target to consider?

Not that you'd support. Just curious, how many mislynches do you average leading in a normal game?

[ReaperOfSouls]

I added my vote to apply pressure on an inactive slot. So yes in that sense I am guilty.

Yep.

But I was the third vote.

You're new and apparently haven't heard it yet, but there's an old rule of thumb that third person on the wagon is scum.

Am I going to be you're first this game?

Maybe. The Wagons wagon is shit - three people have old Shema votes sitting there, and the fourth made a shit argument. IMO Wagons did well enough to not get lynched today. That leaves you as the only other currently viable wagon, with less than 1.5 days left in phase.

After our interactions I don't really want to lynch you at this point, but I'd lynch you before Wagons.

Do you have another target to consider?

Not that you'd support. Just curious, how many mislynches do you average leading in a normal game?

You won't need support from Persi if enough other people will give theirs.

I understand that. But given that all the time I can afford to allot to this game has been occupied recently, I do not have an alternative other than where my current vote resides. When I feel like it would be better served to be someplace else, I assure you I will move it.

Play on ToS? Nothing to do with game jc.

[ReaperOfSouls]

Votecount 1.6

ReaperOfSouls(4)

~ Dunnstral(39), LolWagons(57), MariaR(28), Persivul(39)

LolWagons(4)

~ Gamma Emerald(46), ReaperOfSouls(11), Clemency(38), 0verki11(14)

Egix96(1)

~ Lovebird(26)

Dunnstral(1)

~ Egix96(23)

Clemency(1)

~ Gnelf(9)

Almost50(1)

~ PenguinPower(9)


Not Voting (1): Almost50(60)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-12-08 19:32:13)

I'd hop on either but think I would prefer RoS.

For anyone who has seriously not considered RoS...that ISO is super bad. Even if you think I'm scum just do me a favor and humor me, and look at it. It is low post count but it is not null.

Yyyeah it really doesn't seem to me like he's making much of an effort to solve the game.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Reaper

That's L-2 I believe

VOTE: reaperofsouls

L-1, Reaper claim your role

-blooblobby

Shouldn't I wait for intent?

When I flip just a few observations. Persivul isn't playing as 'town' as I have experienced and even if he is, watch the mislynches with him. And anyone else notice how Maria came to life and sheeps lolwagons. Learn from the flip.

[ReaperOfSouls]

Yeah, that reasoning applies to a seasoned player, but I don't think you can accurately apply much of that to a newbie like Reaper.

Ok, let's play.. why does moob-Scum!RoS choose to follow me unto Lol over FoS'ing me for requesting more votes on a practically vacant slot? He had a choice between two different/opposing options, so why did he see it more beneficial to him/his team to take one over the other?

Er, because an absent slot isn't going to defend, whereas you would?

I'm not crazy about the Reaper wagon, I just dislike it less than the LOL wagon. I gave Reap an opportunity to name someone else to wagon. I was hoping he'd go for Gnelf actually. I would have gone along with it.

Yeah for there to be three heads there..yeah hmm

Used all my alloted time for this game dancing with you.

[ReaperOfSouls]

Is this where you put all the blame on the guy who gets miss lynched? I forget that's your m.o. It's all good. This wagon is in your words shit to. Getting to be a habit I'm seeing with you.

[ReaperOfSouls]

Shouldn't I wait for intent?

Yep.

Let me qualify that. Yes, generally intent should come before the claim. But, note that there's only about 21 hours left in phase. If you're going to wait for intent, you need to be available to play as deadline approaches.

I didn't want to say this before because I don't like to tip off scum, but after a bit of our discussion I suspected you might be a TPR who's frustrated at the prospect of claiming or being lynched. That's why I asked you to name someone else to push. I wanted to work with you. But you made that impossible.

I have told you my guts. Are they right, time will tell. And you can blame me for whatever. But while you were pushing me, you could have been being more productive and going after Gnelf, or whomever else you have a read on. Or am I the only one you have read in how many days of this game? dunn and lol threw shit at the wall and it stuck with you. So on the flip, know you did the heavy work on it.

[ReaperOfSouls]

It's a team game. My mislynch will hopefully enable my teammates to help themselves towards victory.

[ReaperOfSouls]

Hrrm. These interactions don’t feel right.
@Persivul why are you telling RoS to take things less personal, I don’t see where he has been?

It seems to be his style. Let's put it this way. My experience with him he's been wrong more than he's been right.

[ReaperOfSouls]

Maybe if we play more games together he would get better at reading me.

[ReaperOfSouls]

So you’re saying his INexperience with you means he’s wrong.

His participation on this wagon is proves he is wrong...

[ReaperOfSouls]

That’s not very convincing to anyone not you.

I am aware. Just thinking that at some point I can prove to be a plus for the town.

[ReaperOfSouls]

Deadline extension.

[ReaperOfSouls]

Town
PP
A50
Dunnstral
Clemency

Lovebird
Gamma Emerald
Persivul
Overki11

Lolwagons
Egix96
MariaR
Gnelf

Scum

This where I am.

[ReaperOfSouls]

VOTE: Gnelf

Can we just kill this?

As they are in my scum tier. I would vote this way. Do we have enough time?

[ReaperOfSouls]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Gnelf

[ReaperOfSouls]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Lolwagons

[ReaperOfSouls]

Hth have they not been prodded?

[ReaperOfSouls]

This is the part where gamma and pp take over the game k thx bye

Asking for informational purposes. What are odds of GF in game. You guys are more familiar with this setup and percentages than I am.

[ReaperOfSouls]

This is the part where gamma and pp take over the game k thx bye

Asking for informational purposes. What are odds of GF in game. You guys are more familiar with this setup and percentages than I am.

646 should have what you're looking for.

So three most probable scenarios.

[ReaperOfSouls]

Tbh I do think Egil's reaction to the assumed guilty was pretty awful so I'm gonna stay there rn

VOTE: Gnelf

The feeling didn't go away.

As much as I don't like Gnelf's playstyle(who the hell ever is calling the shots) I tend to lean towards Gamma vote. The whole thing looked like two scum fighting with each other. Egix always looks scummy to me.

[ReaperOfSouls]

I didn't say I was inclined to vote for you. I said the opposite.

[ReaperOfSouls]

VOTE: ReaperOfSouls
Better vote actually

How do you figure?

VOTE: Egix96

[ReaperOfSouls]

I think you have that flipped.

Im speculating that GF is in top half (potentially gamma but I investigated him bc i didnt think so) and that SK invest immune would be in top half as well.

And other two mafs would be in bottom.

Basically they would be incentivized not to block me.

@A50 what do you mean when you weren't surprised that i did whatever i did?

That's ass backwards. They wouldn't want to risk you finding their teammates.

[ReaperOfSouls]

Meaning?

[ReaperOfSouls]

VOTE: ReaperOfSouls

Bonzai

VOTE: Reaper
For your sake I hope this is correct

VOTE: Reaper

3 dead townies voted reaper yesterday *yawn*

Only 1 was on at eod.

Yeah the other 2 were on the third. JS

[ReaperOfSouls]

Well here is how I'm thinking about the game.

We had near deadline two competing wagons, Lol and Reaper. Reaper gets pushed up to L1, reaper spews.

Then I get CFD'd, within the span of a few hours, which is glaringly suspicious because this game has been plagued by activity concerns and slow building of wagons. I claim cop, wagon dissolves.

Then we turn back to Reaper and Lol again, but this time rather than returning to a Reaper lynch, Lolwagons gets pushed up.

Which makes me think that all this effort was to prevent a Reaper flip. Reaper flip incriminates Clemency as well because he was the breaking point to make the Reaper wagon inferior to the Lol wagon.

If Reaper is town though, then we have to look back further and consider A50/Egix/Clemency stuff.

A50 is in the right ballpark. My town flip won't answer anything.

[ReaperOfSouls]

basically i dont see why we'd go through the effort of CFD'ing my ass unless scum wanted to avoid something else

and we ended up CFD but we didn't revert back to the top wagon beforehand, we went to LOLWagons. Maybe I'm wrong.

anyways i still think egix is scum.

Yeah, that really is not a good look for ROS. I'd honestly be very surprised if he flips town.
Then again, since I know I'm town, I might be a bit biased.

Remains to be seen if you're town or not. And if you'd like to make a side bet on my flip the window is open.
Lolwagaons spent his whole existence in this game attacking lhf. When they countered he just went onto the next lhf.

[ReaperOfSouls]

Votecount 1.Final

LolWagons(7)

~ Gamma Emerald(63), 0verki11(15), ReaperOfSouls(32), Clemency(49), Persivul(61), Almost50(79), MariaR(38)

-- HAMMER

ReaperOfSouls(3)

~ Dunnstral(46), Gnelf(22), LolWagons(98)

Gnelf(1)

~ Egix96(30)

Egix96(1)

~ Lovebird(26)

Almost50(1)

~ PenguinPower(9)


Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-12-09 19:33:35)

Final vote count on Lolwagons lynch. Last three include the dead cop and the hammer was a nk'ed townie in Maria. Now the scum want to continue to push the same wagon that occupied the focus day one. Why? Because it keeps the focus off the scum.

[ReaperOfSouls]

PP is town. Gamma is either town or the worst of the worst. Right now I'll give benefit of doubt.

[ReaperOfSouls]

I’m SORRY?!???!? Is the concept of me deceiving you

THAT

disturbing you have to attack my character over it? I am

personally

offended by that statement Reaper.

Seriously?

[ReaperOfSouls]

I'll wait for a response before I give mine.

[ReaperOfSouls]

I'll wait for a response before I give mine.

You said if I wasn’t town I was “the worst of the worst”. Not sure what I did to deserve that.

Meaning you are the Don or the SK. If there is one. How about a total over reaction. You need a safe space?

[ReaperOfSouls]

I'll wait for a response before I give mine.

You said if I wasn’t town I was “the worst of the worst”. Not sure what I did to deserve that.

Meaning you are the Don or the SK. If there is one. How about a total over reaction. You need a safe space?

There are much less offputting ways to say that ffs
I don’t need a safe space, you need to improve your word choice

Are you having a bad day? Someone needs to chill.

[ReaperOfSouls]

PP is town. Gamma is either town or the worst of the worst. Right now I'll give benefit of doubt.

PP is the IC lmao. And your other read is just stupid.

What's stupid about it. Gnelf got a town reading on Gamma. Doesn't a GF and Sk, if they are in the game get same reading. I was in the middle of sorting when someone got their feelings hurt of something less than what you just said to me.

[ReaperOfSouls]

Because someone has spent their entire existence in this game diverting off the other two wagons onto mine.

[ReaperOfSouls]

with the power of a cop inno

u have the power to rise above the emotions of the common man

and secure us the key to victory

pp can do this too

Which ironically was what I was saying when Gamma got bent. I am not, nor was I doubting the innocent on Gamma. Just stating possibility. At the time we were on the same wagon.

[ReaperOfSouls]

So can we get back to scumhunting now?

[ReaperOfSouls]

>Town
PenguinPower
Gamma Emerald
Gnelf

Almost50
Dunnstral

Clemency

0verki11

TTTT
Egix96
>Scum

ATM

[ReaperOfSouls]

>Town
PenguinPower
Gamma Emerald
Gnelf

Almost50
Dunnstral

Clemency

0verki11

TTTT
Egix96
>Scum

ATM

yes i got my own section
i'm so cool

You always in a class by yourself.