Mini 2039: uPicketyPicketyPick Mafia Endgame

[Elbirn]

Hello I need to be added to any type of PT thank you.

Any... guess you already belong to the Mafia PT?

I become death proof.

Nearly impossible to verify without wasting a nightkill - and by far not guranteed to be town-ish...
talking about things and avoiding reading/rvs...

This is not the town version of MariaR!

VOTE: MariaR

>"Nearly impossible to verify without wasting a nightkill"
>"Wasting a nightkill"
>NK15 is thinking from the perspective of a night kill not working as being a bad thing

Gg ez
VOTE: NK15

[Elbirn]

Let's uh
Let's try that again.

HI VARSOON ARE YOU TOWN? ^_____^

[Elbirn]

mutant is town along with a hidden sr and tr I do not feel to name atm.

It's me.

I'm the hidden townread.

[Elbirn]

Oh no

Mars is a very bad place for love

[Elbirn]

Yeah, this is kind of funny if true.
Please don't try to greentext on forums where you can't.
It's unbecoming of you.
Do you really believe in this as a slip?
What about NK15's play otherwise?

Its unbecoming to greentext anywhere, I just operate on so many levels of ironic self awareness that I can't be bothered to care

Yeah if NK's reaction to someone claiming kill immunity is "well we cant know for sure until scum shoots them", and thinks that's a *bad thing and a waste*, like nah son you're grounded

That shit should be evident from when this post finally goes through.
Yeah you better fuckin build a house and get a job in me 'cus I'm town as heck.
What about you, Elbirn, my pal?
You town?
Thoughts on other slots, pls?

Sorry babe, but effort =/= alignment *fingerguns*

I dont have much concrete yet. I like Maria and whatshisname, mutantdude?

Yeah.
I'll get there eventually you know me

That is absolutely frightening. I have a stupid guess to what Varsoon chose as his flavor. Kudos, dear sir. That might be the easiest wall to read because it responds to literally every post.
I'll actually answer questions, just gimme a sec to process

Is his flavor "man who has to respond to every post" cuz I love varsoon but I dont love that wall :c

[Elbirn]

If Varsoon makes another wall post or anyone quotes one again I'm replacing out. I dont know what kind of stupid bullshit this is but I refuse to believe that any mod gives the post restriction of "you have to quote and reply to EVERY post". I also flat out refuse to read any of those because the ratio of meaningless noise to actual information is astronomical. I'm on mobile and it takes me a few minutes to just scroll past them, let alone bother to read them, and I couldn't even reply until we got to a page without a wall on it because there was so much fucking text on my screen that it slowed my phone to a crawl and only allowed me to type about 1 character per 5 seconds.

So yeah that's basically where I'm at thanks for letting me rage I love you all but no seriously stop it

[Elbirn]

Like really we're on page 8 and I feel like nothing meaningful has transpired yet and I'm just really lost in a vast chasm of unending white noise

[Elbirn]

@Kokichi: You're SURE your role lets you unlock a second person on the FIRST minigame win?

Yes. 100% sure.

So when you win a minigame, you will unlock your own minigame role, AND someone else's minigame role?

Not to beat a dead horse but I cant see that you've stated this explicitly.

[Elbirn]

It ONLY triggers if someone quotes THE WHOLE WALL or, somehow, makes a post longer than THE WALL.

Otherwise, I can just post normally.

@Elbirn: My second wall is way more fruitful than the first. Read it on PC sometime, please?

1. I promise to be less of a pissbaby now that I see this isnt going to be happening with every one of your posts and hopefully won't happen again unless someone decides to be a troll, thanks for your patience you are a good noodle

2. Maybe. Someday. Not now. No promises. Yes. Totally. Maybe.

3. Varsoon why is your primary flavor Donald Trump?

[Elbirn]

@Kokichi: You're SURE your role lets you unlock a second person on the FIRST minigame win?

Yes. 100% sure.

So when you win a minigame, you will unlock your own minigame role, AND someone else's minigame role?

Not to beat a dead horse but I cant see that you've stated this explicitly.

Yes

Thanks babe I'm sure I seemed redundant to even ask but that helped me lots

Giving me the minigame role may or may not be useful, mostly I feel that it's not worth picking me over someone else. Just for future reference.

[Elbirn]

Varsoon is by far my top scumread for the record.

Varsoon is always a hard read for me because he seems to tryhard as all alignments, especially because I think I've seen him playing as third party (but aiming for town wincons) and multiball scum (but playing like town hunting for scum) but not as solo scum or town. So I'm like *shrug emoticon*

So yeah basically what I'm getting at is uhh help me

Tell me what you *see*

[Elbirn]

I'd like to get the minigame role because I think the flavor could lead some cool places

Well so does everyone

[Elbirn]

So are we all in agreement I should win so I can unlock someone who we TR role?

The trouble with this is I dont think theres anyone who's very much townread at this stage in the game

...I don't want Kokichi to win.

I have mixed feelings. If hes lying about his ability to give the minigame role to himself AND a second person, then he either has to give the ability to someone else at the expense of empowering himself, or else be outted as a liar. So I think it's safe to say that's not an issue. The problem then is that if hes scum he'll empower a scumbuddy I guess..but that seems a bit unlikely because it's too obvious? Doing that would give us a 2fer1 if kokichi flips scum.

I'm not about to troll through your iso on mobile, varsoon, but I recall you saying very early on that powering up everyone asap would be pro-town. This seems at odds with your resistance to Kokichi's plan, no?

[Elbirn]

If I may play Devils advocate

Do you think scum-kokichi empowers a scumbuddy? I'm not sure if that's the play or not, it's a risk especially considering the scum team wont know their tertiary roles and therefore if it's worth it

Do you think town-kokichi picks the wrong person? Picked at random thered be better than average chance of selecting town, which I think you alluded to earlier

Pedit: I get what you're saying but the possibility of two powered up towns sounds enticing + I mostly wanna pick your brain

[Elbirn]

The fact you start in a neighborhood makes me think you're likelier scum than town.

Are you...not the guy who modded a game with an all town neighborhood, or did I make that up/misremembering something?

...My point being neighborhoods dont (or shouldnt) have any bearing on alignment and I think you should be aware of that :/

[Elbirn]

Also who is the utter T H O T who didn't add me to a neighborhood

Somebody masonize me those are fun

[Elbirn]

Also who is the utter T H O T who didn't add me to a neighborhood

Somebody masonize me those are fun

No u didn’t even say hi to me u jerk

Did someone say something?

It must have been the wind

Also who is the utter T H O T who didn't add me to a neighborhood

Somebody masonize me those are fun

I'm a cult leader though can I recruit you tonight?

I promise my cult thread is a nice place to hang out

Yes considering my despair and dejection from society at large I am a ripe target for a murder cult this is fine

[Elbirn]

On topic though, hot take: varsoon and RC, I've gathered you both have a masturbation contest at each other every game you play and I'm content to ignore the both of you so long as this goes on because I don't think anything AI can be gathered from the two of you interacting with each other. Hopefully you both start to chafe and give up soon and we can move along

[Elbirn]

we actually don't, at least not from my point of view. he was trying his best to mislynch me in our last game and I said that he was a near 100% townread.

i did say he was playing fucking terribly but I never thought he was scum.

Then perhaps I'm way off base, and if that's so then I apologize. I do feel that the way you're both interacting doesnt seem productive to me

On topic though, hot take: varsoon and RC, I've gathered you both have a masturbation contest at each other every game you play and I'm content to ignore the both of you so long as this goes on because I don't think anything AI can be gathered from the two of you interacting with each other. Hopefully you both start to chafe and give up soon and we can move along

do u think varsoon is acting normal for him in this game?

Well he's trying hard and being slightly abrasive to those he disagrees with and those are very Varsoony traits? I don't know what he's doing that's not normal

[Elbirn]

I hate to reward this kind of behavior but I dont know that scum-Varsoon acts like this much of a twat.

[Elbirn]

Actually I've kinda been swayed into thinking we should all just play the game, I just like to play both sides of every argument even when my minds already made up

[Elbirn]

Yeah I'm 100% against "leashing" the person who wins the minigame, Nibbui you can go kick rocks

[Elbirn]

Yeah I'm 100% against "leashing" the person who wins the minigame, Nibbui you can go kick rocks

When I said I'm actually wanting to do that?

I'm just saying that if majority agrees that Kokichi must win, we need to lynch anyone that steal the win.

I can't care less about this mechanical talk tbh.

The implication as I understood it was that we should be having a secondary vote on who gets the minigame power. I'm not about that. Let's all play the game and go from there.

[Elbirn]

I mean, if we do let kokichi win, then we are 100% doing the secondary vote.

Nah

[Elbirn]

elbirn why would you rather have it that kokichi pick himself rather than it being decided by vote?

Oh I dont want Kokichi to pick

I want <winner of minigame> to keep their power for themselves or make the decision themselves to offer up the power to the will of the people or do whatever the hell they want with it. I *Don't* want a crowd of angry people going "u NeEd tO GiVe tHe rOLE tO wHo wE sAy" and then throwing a hissy fit and policy lynching them because they disagreed.

[Elbirn]

Also I dont understand this game. Are we playing it now? Is the scavenger hunt "PM jj a list of 40 absolutely random words and hope they're on the list", because that's bizarre

[Elbirn]

the winner of a minigame this time will always keep it for themselves

kokichi is the only one who, if he wins, will be able to also unlock someone else's minigame role PM.

with that in mind, if he's the one to win i would prefer that the one he unlocked was decided collectively rather than by himself. do you think it would be unreasonable to suspect someone who picked someone else after explicitly offering to let town decide his pick?

And here is my goldfish brain on full display, did Kokichi explicitly say he would let town vote on his pick, or did he say he'd pick a townread, or what?

Either way that's the winner of the minigame deciding for themselves what's what so no complaints.

[Elbirn]

I did not at any point claim to be a brilliant man

[Elbirn]

Can we stop talking about the minigame now and start playing Mafia?

Someone help me I'm very lost

[Elbirn]

I'm on mobile at work and legit scared to open your iso

And same, I think I'm voting someone for a weak sauce scum slip that I was pretending to believe in with all my might for the sake of discussion, as I am wont to do, but it's done nothing for the game.

I think mutant is town for some reason, does that help?

UNVOTE:

[Elbirn]

It's cus they are posting a lot, I think.

Aw man, did I townread for effort after telling you effort is NAI?

I'm really bad at this

Lowkey I only play mafia for flavor and shitposting at work

[Elbirn]

Hello.

VOTE: Firebringer

Because there can only be one pirate in these seas. Ahoy, matey!

Firebringer I just wanted you to know how much your continued support has meant to me through all these years and I've thought about you from the sidelines but until this moment I've never really realized just how much I want to be with you.

Would you do me the honour of a dance?

Someone is being unfaithful.......

Oh, and I am a Miller.

@Varsoon Why is me being Miller hard to believe? Also, why does casting a RVS vote make me anti-town?

Oh, and I am a Miller.

Why have you decided to claim this?

Because claiming it right in the beginning is the right thing to do?

Uhhhhh kill the lurker scum that claimed Miller

KILL KILL KILL

VOTE: Nicorobin

[Elbirn]

NicoRobin needs a prod

Reading the Nibbui vs Mutant discussion is hurting my brain. This might be bias seeping over from my initial townreads of both of them, but that whole thing feels like it could be TvT. I think that there is very little chance that Nibbui could be scum at this point.

Can you elaborate on why?

[Elbirn]

Hot take, between RC vs. Varsoon arguing and pages of mechanic spec, scum has largely left us to bang pots and pans and make tons of demoralizing and unproductive noise

Let's all hold hands and then get this Nico wagon going

[Elbirn]

[Elbirn]

{northsidegal}
{Nibbui, mutantdevle}
{Gamma Emerald, ChibiBear}
{Elbirn, Varsoon}
{NK15, Maria, RC, Kokichi, NR} - null
{Firebringer}

i feel like i completely get ur scumread even though u haven't said why.
u are now town ms northgal

Oh no FB is scum

[Elbirn]

Oh no FB is scum

u are my secret scumread elbirn.
don't tell anyone

*kissy face/winks*

[Elbirn]

Maria I thought I liked you but I've realized I dont like you I only like your avatar

[Elbirn]

Maria I thought I liked you but I've realized I dont like you I only like your avatar

That's fine not a lot of people like me I can add you to the list. Any good ol game info you wanna share?

I should have been more clear, I meant that solely in a game related sense. As in I had townie feelings of you but now I'm kinda sitting here waiting for you to do the good town things but they're not forthcoming. Maybe I'm expecting too much, who's to say.

I'm sure you're super cool do not despair

[Elbirn]

Should we not encourage RC to engage with the game at large and just...you know. Not with Varsoon?

Surely even if Varsoon is scum he has partners that RC can hunt for?

[Elbirn]

Okay so I know you've all been waiting very patiently for this list which is why I'm delivering it right on time.

Yo so I definitely have a winner

Sure am glad we spent all of this day phase bickering over something that was started and settled in the span of time in which I was asleep

Dont think I'm gonna bother with any of these, I'd rather play mafia than "dont sleep: the game"

[Elbirn]

You know who co-ordinates that level of making sure other people don't get power?

Internet boygenuises who insist on being the center of attention and getting as many good boy points as possible to stroke their own e-peen?

This is RC. Regardless of alignment it's not out of character for him. He almost certainly manipulated and strong armed his neighborhood, beating them into submission until they all agreed to be his little bitch. He demands control and power, I reiterate: regardless of alignment.

[Elbirn]

Betcha didn't even read my walls.
Go hang out with Elbirn in the 'finding an excuse not to engage with content' table.

What did I do? :c

[Elbirn]

@Varsoon, why are you simultaneously pushing RC as scum while also hypothesizing that he's masons with FB?

[Elbirn]

If you really think they're both scum softing masons, why wouldn't you let that develop so you can catch them in a more definitive lie later on? If they're actually scum, with what you've done you've just bombed their fake claim so it cant be used later, and I dont see why that's a better alternative

[Elbirn]

Varsoon are we going to have yet another game where I want to be your best friend but instead wind up having an incurable murder boner for you that I hide behind 7 layers of irony and shitposting for the sake of having a fun game?

[Elbirn]

Oh thank God a friend I've wanted to play the game all day

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Firebringer

Why are we voting firebringer maria?

[Elbirn]

We aren't lynching Varsoon until at least day 2 because I want to play the game with my boy

Stupid logic but I give not a fuck

[Elbirn]

There's a depressing lack of actual content in FB's iso, but I think that's true of literally every slot in this game. It's almost entirely alignment neutral shit posting

I thought at first that his mediating in the RC vs. Varsoon spat could be scum indicative but he doesn't really go about it in a way that I would expect of scum. If he were scum mediating a TvT he'd be a lot more diplomatic to both sides. If he's scum defending a buddy..uhhhhh I guess that works? Idk. I need more research.

{northsidegal}
{Nibbui, mutantdevle}
{Gamma Emerald, ChibiBear}
{Elbirn, Varsoon}
{NK15, Maria, RC, Kokichi, NR} - null
{Firebringer}

i feel like i completely get ur scumread even though u haven't said why.
u are now town ms northgal

This is super scummy shit tho to me. Tonally fucky and illogical

[Elbirn]

i could explain it if u want to, because i actually had some reasoning behind why i thought she scumread me and why it made sense in my head, but was still wrong.

i don't see how that post was scummy that i thought i understood what someone was thinking of me based on my interactions with them?
do you think it was a case of "OHh i am scum i have super indepth knowledge of why people think the way they do"

If you have an explanation for it I would indeed like to hear. I don't think it's for the reason you suggested, it's just like...idk it's a whole thing, I'd rather hear you explain first

[Elbirn]

If he were scum mediating a TvT he'd be a lot more diplomatic to both sides. If he's scum defending a buddy..uhhhhh I guess that works? Idk. I need more research.

i want to punch u for this.

Not sure if you're pissed or telling me I'm being dumb

elbirn if u don't move ur vote of me, i am going to death tunnel u because ur seriously on my "possible scum list" and this vote thing without talking to me is really irking me.

I would do same to maria but i am not going to even bother engaging her about this.

It's been 10 minutes and I'm at work, be chill pls

[Elbirn]

i thought nsg was scumreading me for sarcastic poke at her for what i believe as bad reasons to townread someone, which i have done as scum in games where she modded. I think she has seen me do that at least 2 times and might think "scum tell". So her responding with a scumread on me completely made sense to me.

I'm having difficulty finding this event :c

[Elbirn]

That’s a needlessly convoluted way to say if one of RC and FB are scum you don’t think it’s FB

FoS: mutantdevle

Can you actually vote for Mutant if you think hes sus? I dont like weak-ass suspicion flinging, this game needs hard stances and wagons like yesterday

[Elbirn]

I really can't see why people scum read firebringer tbh. I don't recall anything overly town about him but he's never said anything that's irked me. I'm currently of the opinion that if FB AND RC != scum team then FB != scum.

Actually, I think a NSG-FB scum team would make sense but I don't scum read NSG so that's not anything to apply to FB. So basically I'd rather RC be lynched before FB unless NSG flips scum. But I have no interest in any of that right now and my point is that I don't think we should be voting for FB.

I'm sorry but what even is your read on either of these two. Without tying them together please, I dont do pre flip bullshit

[Elbirn]

Nah it's all wishy washy crap and tying together two people you dont explicitly scumread and hypothesizing them as a team for idk what reason

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mutantdevle

Get gone

[Elbirn]

Nah it's all wishy washy crap and tying together two people you dont explicitly scumread and hypothesizing them as a team for idk what reason

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mutantdevle

Get gone

u just jumped past varsoon as my biggest scum read now elbirn.
nothing in those posts were scummy

Vote me nerd

[Elbirn]

If I'm your biggest scumread then you should vote me instead of sitting around doing fuckall

[Elbirn]

That's not my objective

Gladiate: Firebringer

Fight me

[Elbirn]

Spicy. But is it real?

You can start doing shit too, you're on my naughty list

[Elbirn]

i was literally looking for an alternate gif that would say i have no power here instead of "you".
couldn't find one.

should have photoshopped it.

You need to find a gif of the ending scene of labyrinth where Sarah says "You have no power over me" and then David Bowie turns into an owl and fucks off

Goodluck

Actually, these switches off RC towards a lurker lynch is very suspicious from the ones who advocate it - and it does make a scum RC ... more likely.

That would make sense had Varsoon not been pushing RC before then. Maybe fact check who is making each push?
Honestly this feels suspect based on that

I think NK15 is spilling the real tea about RC vs. Varsoon being SvS

But that's a tinfoil hat conspiracy straight out of my wet dreams and I'm not ready

So you don't think NSG or FB are likely to be scum, but you think they may be a scum team together? Can you elaborate on why you think they're connected in such a way?

I also don't think that NSG is scum btw, I get a similar feeling from her posts as I do from Nibbui's, it's a nice towny feeling (although to a much lesser extent) :3

I don't think they are in a scum team together because I don't scum read either of them but if it turned out that they were in a scum team together than I do think that would make sense and the main thing that I think would make me reconsider my read on them is if either of them flip scum. I can't remember which page it was on but they had some interactions that made me think that they were probably the same alignment. Currently, I think that alignment is town.

I tried to rant about this same shit earlier and these two posts seem more succinct so I'm just gonna reply to this. Maybe I suck at communicating and that's why I got people shitting down my neck with my posting on Friday idk.

You have two people that you think are town. But you're hypothesizing about them being scum together. I dont see where this thought process comes from. If I have two townreads, nowhere in my brain does the thought process exist "these two are town, but if one of them flips scum they're both scum", because I'm not...scumreading either of them? And I don't really believe in making associations without a flip in the first place. RC and FB have claimed neighbors. If they seem to be linked together to you, surely that's why.

I dont think I actually have a question for you right now idk I just woke up I'm not myself yet and I need to refresh and coffee and shower and pick my nose and go grocery shopping and maybe then I can come back and say words that are actually intelligent

[Elbirn]

I'm tempted to tell the RC vs. Varsoon debacle to kick rocks because I dont think I can make a proper choice

I want to vote RC but that decision is literally based on personal bullshit. I think RC, while surely a respectable player of mafia, as either alignment will control the game in a super unhealthy way. Even if town I'm going to have a miserable time having him boss everyone around and insist on having his way. The only other person here who seems willing to act as a balancing effect to this is Varsoon, but RC is so threatened by another strong willed personality that he csnt do anything else but will it out of existence, and it doesnt help that they've got personal beef with each other

I dont want RC vs varsoon because I want to actually play mafia, not...whatever this is.

[Elbirn]

It's all personal vendettas and I just dont care

[Elbirn]

elbirn is varsoon's scumbuddy btw

Oh no someone is dissenting from me REEEEEEEE

[Elbirn]

Actually I'm less sure of Elbirn now that I think about it. Might just be bad town.

More sure ? of NSG scum.

Oh good then can you actually stop being a a lying assbag towards me? You can take your spin and shove it

[Elbirn]

this entire game he's been making excuses for not voting varsoon in spite of the fact that he agreed that varsoon's opening was extremely toxic
starts by saying 'oh I dont think that varsoon would be toxic like this as scum'
then he made the excuse of 'oh i dont think that RC is actually reading varsoon, it feels like a personal vendetta that happens every game!'
now he's simultaneously saying 'oh I think that NK15 is right that Varsoon/RC is SvS (giving him an excuse to not clear me after varsoon flips)', saying that I should be lynched first, but saying he doesn't want to vote in this pairing because it's all 'personal vendettas'
he's trying to hide behind my push being some imagined personal vendetta as opposed to varsoon's scummy as fuck ISO to justify not voting is partner and giving himself an excuse to vote me if it comes to it

also before some dumbass says I'm saying this reactively because I'm annoyed that he's fighting my wagon, my neighbourhood can verify that I called this pairing fairly close to the beginning of the game based on elbirn's interactions.

1. The proliferation of "THE WALL" and the subsequent "THE WALL 2" was real annoying and that's all I said about his opening. Then I thought he was being a dick to you and that was a separate event

2. You both absolutely have an NAI dispute with each other. Full stop. You might be town and you might think hes scum but you absolutely came to a conclusion that he needed to die and then justified it with reasons afterwards. And vice versa.

3. Re:NK15, said literally the exact opposite, you know the part where I called it a crazy conspiracy theory. So this is just an outright lie. And I at no point said i wanted you lynched so what the fuck do you call that but a lie

also elbirn portraying varsoon as the hero standing against RC's tyranny is fucking bullshit given that elbirn said earlier in the game, and I quote, "i don't know if scum-Varsoon would be this big of a twat"

If I think scum-varsoon wouldn't be toxic to you, then shouldnt that reinforce the point that town-varsoon is here and not taking your shit? Like I literally dont understand your post, you're trying to claim for one that I'm being illogical and therefore scum but my thought process is rational and I dont see what you're not following here.

Also, Hot take: I can think Varsoon is being toxic towards you while also thinking you're being toxic and in need of checking yourself before you riggity-wreck yourself. I at no point implied he was a hero.

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All of the above is just...you, if I'm being generous, putting the worst possible interpretation on events. Its lies and spin cuz you got bigmad that I'm against you.

[Elbirn]

I dont want RC vs varsoon because I want to actually play mafia, not...whatever this is.

Hence why we should get it out of the way on day 1 so the rest of the game can be spent doing exactly that.

I have this problem

I'm philosophically opposed to lynching for any other reason than "this person is scum"

I don't do policy lynching, or personal vendettas, or whatever

And its gonna take some convincing if today's lynch is going to be one of rc/varsoon

You have two people that you think are town. But you're hypothesizing about them being scum together. I dont see where this thought process comes from. If I have two townreads, nowhere in my brain does the thought process exist "these two are town, but if one of them flips scum they're both scum", because I'm not...scumreading either of them? And I don't really believe in making associations without a flip in the first place. RC and FB have claimed neighbors. If they seem to be linked together to you, surely that's why.

Okay so first of all I began thinking that NSG and FB were the same alignments before I actually read them both one way or the other. Secondly, them being a scum team is not something that I'm pushing or even care about but just keep mentioning because other people keep bringing it up. And the only reason I even mentioned it in the first place was to emphasise how I don't think it's a good idea to lynch FB.

There's also nothing wrong with making associations without flips. It's just preparations for the what ifs.

I'm willing to just drop this because maybe I'm off base and I can see you're not really pushing this. But I dont think its wise to read someone based on someone else's actions, the way you think fb==rc and rc==town so don't vote fb.

I dont mind preparing for what ifs but I'm philosophically opposed to them being the basis for a read

[Elbirn]

i think that scum varsoon absolutely would be this toxic to me and i've explained how it suits his game plan to do so. if you're going to oppose this wagon i'm going to assume you're scum with him and lynch you later.

I dont negotiate with terrorists.

[Elbirn]

RC I want to step out of game for just a second and say that I dont want to be shitty to you as a person, but in the game of mafia you really piss me off

[Elbirn]

I'm philosophically opposed to lynching for any other reason than "this person is scum"

We aren't lynching Varsoon until at least day 2 because I want to play the game with my boy

Stupid logic but I give not a fuck

Killing someone and not-killing someone are opposite things

elbirn you're creating your own problem. I will lynch varsoon. you won't stop it. you can only force me to invest more and more of my time and make me more and more frustrated with you to the point I don't care about your alignment anymore.
I'm going to judge you based on the results of your voting. choose carefully who you vote for. i don't care how you feel about me i am holding you accountable for your decisions in this game so don't whine tomorrow if you die for defending varsoon.

don't appeal to me otherwise because I think it's unhealthy for us to interact anymore. I am going to ignore everything that you post and judge you solely based on your votes.

Okay cool I'm probably going to do my level best to ensure I never end up in a game with you and I'd appreciate it if youd extend the same consideration my way.

"I'm calling all the shots and people who dont agree die and I dont care about their alignment, now dont speak to me after all the lies ive spewed about you the conversation is over because *I* said so" is not how literally anyone thinks or acts

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:

I think I'm still voting mutant and I dont want to be

[Elbirn]

@mod unless Kokichi ona is double voting thered only one vote on
Mutant

[Elbirn]

Did rc give me power?!

Why lie about that though?

[Elbirn]

Uhm I didn't mean to multi quote that
Weird flex but okay

[Elbirn]

If I knew I was a multi voter I would have swung my vote dick around a lot sooner

Are you saying you got your minigame power but you were not informed of that or what it does?

[Elbirn]

Chibibear

It may be the *non-soberness* happening but you may be my spirit animal

We may be in the same karass

[Elbirn]

Well then. That’s kinda obnoxious that you can’t confirm effectively (read: I am in doubt mode)
Do you not find NK15’s vote hop just a little too trigger-happy though?

NK seemed quite willing to believe the claim and that seems really sus to me

if we got a massive contingent of the game to agree "okay we will powerlynch varsoon on day 3 if he is not confirmed town at that point" i would consider voting elsewhere. no other reason to vote elsewhere.
but the fact that Varsoon isn't even trying to get that for himself makes it even more certain that he's scum than it already was. he's just trying to take me down with him.

[/quote]

RC I'm probably voting you today. How about a promise that if you flip town I power lynch Varsoon *tomorrow*?

[Elbirn]

idc you're dead before endgame either way elbirn and I doubt you can actually get my lynch through. i don't think town is actually so fucking bad that it's possible to lynch me this game.

See I cant see a world where you hear "I promise to carry out the death of your sworn adversary and top 100% scumread" and your reaction is a bunch of bluster about how great you are and not agreement

But no I guess that's how you are and I'll just fuck off then

[Elbirn]

Hey Elbirn
Real talk
How much of the game have you read?

Everything but your second wall *fingerguns*

[Elbirn]

and frankly your promise is meaningless. varsoon will die tomorrow wherever your vote goes. i'm not going to dignify your worthless offer to vote and treat it like you aren't high being willing to vote me in the first place.

like too little too late bud. you can't be voting me here and expect me to give a fuck about anything else you do in this mafia game except ensuring you die.

OH THE TASTE OF YOUR LIPS I'M ON A RIDE

YOU'RE TOXIC

[Elbirn]

@Elbirn: Sweetness.
So join me on RC?
Or do you think it's worthwhile to hunt elsewhere and suss a bit more info out?

Im waiting for minigame results first

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Radiantcowbells

I'll just sit on this regardless in protest, if varsoon is scum and I'm wrong go ahead and power lynch me because I dont want to be a part of...whatever this is. I'm actually low key really pissed I spent nearly *two months* waiting for this game to start, just for it to be like this

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Radiantcowbells

I'll just sit on this regardless in protest, if varsoon is scum and I'm wrong go ahead and power lynch me because I dont want to be a part of...whatever this is. I'm actually low key really pissed I spent nearly *two months* waiting for this game to start, just for it to be like this

Nah I think you’re just wrong town. You don’t seem to be coordinated with Varsoon like scum pushing together probably would be.

Oh but it doesnt matter what you think. RC will dictate every lynch regardless of alignment and you will all accommodate and encourage it.

Gamma when you show a record of consistently not lynching people who hard defend scum you encourage scum to hard defend each other and that hurts towns that you're in.
I don't think Elbirn would be like super mod confirmed scum or anything but his slot definitely needs to die.

I mean it wouldn't be the first time you mislynched me

Or the second

It would in fact be the third time.

The first two you were IC. Hopefully this time you're scum, would be a bit embarrassing for you to be so unable to determine my alignment when you're supposedly infallible

[Elbirn]

Elbirn's voting me if he's town because Varsoon is his friend and he doesn't like the idea of someone strongarming a lynch on said friend when he doesn't like it.
No one else is defending Varsoon, a shit ton of people have pointed out that individual things are scummy, but they generally just haven't voted him because..................?

I'm voting you because it's going to be one of the two of you, I think it's more likely you than varsoon, and he sorts himself later by either being proven a liar tomorrow if his IC doesnt pop, or made confirmed town

[Elbirn]

ah, but he didn't say that he was going to be IC tomorrow. he said he was going to be IC by day 7. he refused a binary lynch if not conftown by day 3 and suggested that we keep him to lylo, at which point if town its gg if we lynch him.
feels like these things are really scummy and really out of line with the role he claimed, on top of the role he claimed being a load of crock, and I feel like you should recognize that if you were genuinely trying to sort him.

From what I've read, what you're saying here is hyperbole. He claimed a load of abilities..But has confidence it's one of two roles. Unless my reading comprehension took a shit and died he did not suggest being kept till day 7, and everything in this post is conclusions you've deduced on a fault premise.

I'm also not dumb enough to keep a fakeclaim-IC in game and neither is the rest of town so really this should not be a worry of yours

[Elbirn]

From what I've read, what you're saying here is hyperbole. He claimed a load of abilities..But has confidence it's one of two roles. Unless my reading comprehension took a shit and died he did not suggest being kept till day 7, and everything in this post is conclusions you've deduced on a fault premise.

I'm also not dumb enough to keep a fakeclaim-IC in game and neither is the rest of town so really this should not be a worry of yours

Do you remember when I brought up the possibility of him shutting the fuck up until either he conftowns himself or Day 3 (the confidence it's two roles) and he was like NO I SHOULDNT BE LYNCHED UNTIL LYLO?

And Day 7 is the point which every single ability is exhausted so he can keep making excuses until then without literally falsifying his role.

I was gonna babble some more but I dont want to argue semantics and reading comprehension. If Varsoon does not IC Day 2, I'm gonna be livid. If he does not IC Day 3, he dies 100% of the time.

[Elbirn]

Dw chibibear Day 2 will be better






I hope

[Elbirn]

Hi fire

I forget why I was cranky at you earlier

I read some other thing of yours that I also forgot and decided it made you town

I hope these nondescript anecdotes are useful ily

[Elbirn]

Any pressing thoughts you'd like to share?

Ex, NK15 jumping off of varsoon real quick after his IC claim seemed sus. He was a little quick to believe it I think? Whereas most everyone else displayed skepticism he just wordlessly unvoted. If Varsoon flips town I'd push NK

Your turn!

[Elbirn]

Yo guys I'd really prefer it if I didn't have to step in here but it'd be great if you could stop with both the active and passive aggression towards each other

This is a little too far beyond heated so at least make an effort to keep it more clinical when you're addressing each other- otherwise I'm probably gonna have to send this higher up the chain

Oh btw I had to step in to tell Varsoon to chill in a past game, and in that game his antagonism was tobally different so like I’m pretty sure he’s just scum.

How do you tell the difference between Varsoon's town-rage and his scum-rage?

[Elbirn]

Hey Varsoon

Would it be prudent to maybe back off RC until your IC triggers? Cuz I dont think you're going to win this 1v1 with a triple vote against you. What other scumreads do you have?

[Elbirn]

-encouraging content from other players is pro-scum

Weird flex but okay


Pedit: ugh pedits

[Elbirn]

You say that this isn't about him being your friend

But don't lie to yourself and say that after all of this, you wouldn't be defending him if you didn't like him more than me.

And liking him more than me is fine! Everyone chooses your friends

But in mafia you don't choose your teammates

I think I've been rather pragmatic in all of this and I'm not interested in S'ing Varsoons D anymore than I am yours.

I honestly dont see scum Varsoon claiming a funky ass IC role that gets him lynched 100% of the time, after forcing a disgustingly toxic 1v1 with you when he knows that you deathtunnel him all game for it...like he could have just kept his mouth shut, and, you know....Shot you?

Or hell, and dont take this the wrong way, but with what you do to a games atmosphere, why would scum want town-rc dead anyway? Respectfully, dude, because I dont want to take the piss at ya and I'm sure there are times where you really know your shit, but I've seen you make mistakes and I've seem you drag games down before. If I'm scum and you're town derp-tunneling, you make it to endgame 100%

[Elbirn]

And his alignment wasss?

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: NK15

How about this thing

[Elbirn]

Chibi played the minigame but hasn't posted for several days despite vote parking me. Wonder if that's a buddy

NSG completely flaked when Varsoon got wagoned

Dunno how anyone thinks this is the gamestate in a town Varsoon world

These arent points in the "Varsoon is scum" bucket, they're "things worth considering with a varsoon scumflip". As it stands they're useless points if varsoon flips town

[Elbirn]

Do you think nk15 is scum with anyone besides Varsoon?

I dont hypothesize scum teams or preflips. I go by individually scummy people until we have actual scum flips to work with.

I think that his unvote off of Varsoon after his IC claim indicates too much of a willingness to believe, i.e. he had no skepticism because of inside knowledge that his claim must be true because hes town

I know you won't follow that cuz you are in "Varsoon is confscum" mode but yeah that's where I'm at

[Elbirn]

Meh

Riveting commentary

[Elbirn]

Yeah that’s what I. Thought of all of chibis posting
It was very meh and I didn’t want to correct her regarding how she is hunting scum isn’t useful in this regard to rc she is applying her standards but I went with meh

Not really sure I follow this. You're saying that conventional scum hunting doesnt work on RC? Wouldn't it be wise to let her know? Hell I'd like to know for my own info what you think makes RC ~special~

[Elbirn]

Like I follow her assertion that RC misrepresents things to suit his points. He did it to me earlier and hes been doing it to Varsoon all day. Do you not find that scummy?

[Elbirn]

Dont worry chibi I like your posting, we can be stupid together

[Elbirn]

Just according to keikaku

[Elbirn]

Oh ok so I was gonna say that having read (ok, skimmed) the last 20 pages, I still think RC feels like the more likely scum between them but I guess that's the hammer? Tbh I'm just glad this is over.

Just out of curiosity, Nibbui if he flips scum who is your strongest town read? And if he flips town?

Who is your strongest scum read*

Threadly reminder that the one time Varsoon tried to focus attention anywhere but at RC he ate a shitstorm for it

[Elbirn]

You know

I didn't multi quote that

[Elbirn]

I'll be back when varsoon and rc stop going back and forth

The ride never ends

Literally the game is held hostage until one of them is dead

If you have anything game related to say I promise I'll engage because I really would like to actually play mafia

[Elbirn]

Elbirn, who do you think is non-Varsoon scum?

I'd have a better answer if content in this game existed that wasn't the two of you going at it

I think NK15 reads tonally fucky and I actually don't like his implication that you and Varsoon is SvS. Because while I could absolutely see you agreeing to cross bus if you rolled scum together, I just...the way yall have been you'd have to both be literal sociopaths to keep this up for so long. So uh basically he postured into a position where he could easily take either side? His unvote off varsoon kinda sucked.

NicoRobin probably needs to go if they're lurk-scum meta holds as much water as some of you have said

Gamma has been pinging my radar for a bit now because he doesnt really...do anything. He makes some pointless asides, commentary, and witty remarks, but theres not really any actual content or analysis. Hes been going with the flow voting with you against varsoon and that's about it. I think varsoon also made some good points about him earlier.

[Elbirn]

VOTE: NR

She's been far more active elsewhere on site and the actual content that she has made leans towards scum for me

It's a Christmas miracle

UNVOTE:
VOTE: NicoRobin

[Elbirn]

ftr Chibibear held the exact same position and I could have totally seen it at the time.

Hm. So she did.

I mean at least she picked a side and committed to a belief that the interaction was TvS. Idk, I need to go to bed I can mull this over later

[Elbirn]

Hey RC if you could double lynch but not one of them on Varsoon, who would be joining NicoRobin on your corpse pile? Asking for a friend.

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: GammaEmerald

[Elbirn]

I'm at work?

Why is that your criticism?

[Elbirn]

Does that take away my triple vote?

....UHHHHH how many votes were on gamma before you voted? I think you derp hammered?

[Elbirn]

Well alright then. Have you already disclosed what those are, if not dont respond I suppose (pedit happened, I'm gonna assume that's a no and keep quiet)

Wanna double lynch NK15? You posited him or gamma earlier, how confident you feel about both? *rubs hands together*

[Elbirn]

Right

Elbirn wanna use that second Lynch on fire if the first one is used?

Mmmm fires a tougher sell for me cuz I think hes just a silly willy walnut head

We'll also need more support there in all likelihood

In fact I'm just gonna stop being cute about it, I'm talking about literally a second lynch, not a vig shot or anything. My minigame role gives me a 1 per game use of idkwhattocallit, the game thread stays open at night and we can lynch again.

I feel like using it asap because reasons

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:

What does this say about gamma then? You think hes town?

[Elbirn]

Use it tonight

[Elbirn]

VOTE: FireBringer

I think we get a lot out of this and I'm inclined to agree with RC and also we need dead bodies

BLOOD4THEBLOODGOD

[Elbirn]

No it's hi how are you officer

I've slowly blossomed into the douchebag stoner I was meant to be and I say this to everyone out of context every time I'm baked

[Elbirn]

Is that a high thing that I didn’t know about
I thought I had stoner cred

Officer: Sir, how high are you?
Stoner: No officer, it's high how are you?

[Elbirn]

BOOOOO *throws popcorn*

Lynch Fire, if hes scum we basically town clear gamma and RC

[Elbirn]

BOOOOO *throws popcorn*

Lynch Fire, if hes scum we basically town clear gamma and RC

Okay I agree with u on rc but gamma?
Why wouldn’t I buss gamma here?

There’s nothing in my iso that says we aren’t abs nor in his.

Makes no sense

No way you derp hammer/bus your scumbuddy with a triple vote, or get bigmad when it doesnt work because you didn't post the right thing so the mod didnt accept it.

The latter half of your post doesnt make sense to me?

[Elbirn]

BOOOOO *throws popcorn*

Lynch Fire, if hes scum we basically town clear gamma and RC

Okay I agree with u on rc but gamma?
Why wouldn’t I buss gamma here?

There’s nothing in my iso that says we aren’t abs nor in his.

Makes no sense

Actually, why are you making this post at all as town

Are you caught scum FB?

[Elbirn]

Yeah I would
You saying I won’t is not understanding how I play

Failing to lolhammer your scumbuddy is not an anger inducing event. It's a "darn, I really wanted that town cred, oh well" moment

[Elbirn]

I just

You're arguing that I just dont understand your 4D chess scum playstyle, which isnt making sense to me if you're town.

Why does town-fb get upset about not carrying out a lolhammer?

[Elbirn]

So why do you think RC is town, then, for forcing a weird restriction, PT, and triple vote on you?

why do u think any of that makes him scum?
or why he would turn on me when he can use my votes to get him to mislynch u and is now calling me scum?
what scum motivation is that mr varsoon?

WIFOM.

Varsoon are you a lyncher or what?

[Elbirn]

starting to feel like gamma is town

Did you not already decide that when fire failed to hammer, or have you changed your mind about that whole event?

[Elbirn]

I'm not sure what you expect differently from me. I'm trying to sort your alignment to the best of my ability. I'm sorry if I'm not as good at it as you want me to be?

It honestly doesn’t feel like ur trying.
And I am starting to think you hooded me only because you believed I was the only person you could easily convince to vote with you regardless of alignment and time thinking that was ur goal there thinks I don’t want to help you.

Presume you're town. Why does scum-rc give a triple vote to anyone but a scumbuddy?

[Elbirn]

If you think that's an out of game appeal

You think that I'm town

So why are you voting me?

This doesn't logically follow, a scum-rc still has a feud with varsoon...

RC I had a lot easier of a time working with you when you and varsoon werent at each others throats. Can ya put that boy on ignore and look elsewhere? I still dont grasp your mariaR scumread and I dont know that you've ever elaborated on it, can we go there?

[Elbirn]

I'm not sure what you expect differently from me. I'm trying to sort your alignment to the best of my ability. I'm sorry if I'm not as good at it as you want me to be?

It honestly doesn’t feel like ur trying.
And I am starting to think you hooded me only because you believed I was the only person you could easily convince to vote with you regardless of alignment and time thinking that was ur goal there thinks I don’t want to help you.

Presume you're town. Why does scum-rc give a triple vote to anyone but a scumbuddy?

Elbirn, I townread RC.
I am just not voting with him

If you think that's an out of game appeal

You think that I'm town

So why are you voting me?

This doesn't logically follow, a scum-rc still has a feud with varsoon...

RC I had a lot easier of a time working with you when you and varsoon werent at each others throats. Can ya put that boy on ignore and look elsewhere? I still dont grasp your mariaR scumread and I dont know that you've ever elaborated on it, can we go there?

I gave him his chance. I'm not letting him live.

Remember that there is a second lynch occurring this night. Who's lynch #2 and why?

[Elbirn]

Didnt mean to quote fb, I have a bad habit of smashing that mother fucking multiquote button and then forgetting

[Elbirn]

If NSG flakes out then MariaR

Maaaybe nk15

Can you walk me through NSG, or MariaR because I've been slightly town reading her. I'd search your iso but I dont know that you've gone in depth on that one, and your iso size is daunting.

[Elbirn]

My role PM says nothing about extended night, but I've PM'd the jjh just to be thorough.

@Mutant, I kinda agree that maybe claiming/using my ability straight away wasnt the smartest or timeliest decision, but I want dead bodies for us to analyze and who knows how long I'll be alive. What better time than now?

Pedit: holy mother of town I tried to post this like 4 hours ago and it got stopped by yall posting, I ain't reading that rn

[Elbirn]

My role PM says nothing about extended night, but I've PM'd the jjh just to be thorough.

@Mutant, I kinda agree that maybe claiming/using my ability straight away wasnt the smartest or timeliest decision, but I want dead bodies for us to analyze and who knows how long I'll be alive. What better time than now?

Pedit: holy mother of town I tried to post this like 4 hours ago and it got stopped by yall posting, I ain't reading that rn

My role does not extend the night. I hope yall are prepared to ram a 2nd lynch through in 72hrs when we cant even come to terms on a 1st

:^)

[Elbirn]

Elbirn have you submitted for the second lynch yet?

This was done yeah

I mean she's literally the 1 person who took the PoV that Varsoon was townies than I was and I find it real hard to believe that's an actual perspective particularly considering similarities between this game and FGs fane from my play

Leave Chibi alone you monster she's in my pocket

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: NK15

Choo-choo fuckers it's ya boi "Lil Compromise" comin' at ya on the microphone

[Elbirn]

This isn't about Varsoon being my boi

It's about lmao I'm not lynching an IC claim. No more or less. I literally have no confidence in his alignment either way so congrats on beating me down to the point that I give not a fuck. But no seriously, I'm not voting a claimed IC because its a problem that solves itself.

[Elbirn]

we gave him his chance.

Giving him his chance would be letting him live another day.

If he doesnt pop IC at Day 2 start I'll vote park him. Fair?

[Elbirn]

See I continue to be stuck on "If Varsoon == scum, he claimed a role that guarantees his own death just for the sake of trying to tell RC to go fuck himself, which doesnt even make sense because even if he were IC that says nothing about RC's alignment"

Where is the motivation for the claim? What does it accomplish?

[Elbirn]

*sighs deeply forever*

[Elbirn]

I am 99.99% sure rc is town and everyone and their mothers can call me bad after the game if i am wrong.

Ah, but therein lies the rub. We dont even know this. Like RC spent all of Day 1 death tunneling town, but they were both death tunneling each other for out of game reasons while pretending they werent, and the one was fake claiming out of his ass for some reason, and what have got? 90 pages of noise propagated by the top post in our game and it's all basically NAI cuz "lol he lied and we just dont like each other"

What content do we have of RC to point to as AI? What did we *learn* today?

[Elbirn]

You can't say that I was tunneling Varsoon for out of game reasons when the actual reasons that I was so sure that he was scum were correct.

No you were evidently not correct, because he flipped town. That's kind of how that works, logically. You can argue he needed to die regardless if you want to but you dont get to say that you were right about him being scum when he flipped town.

[Elbirn]

This isnt productive.

VOTE: NK15

[Elbirn]

I say again, this isnt productive. We've got two days to figure out another lynch.

I'm looking NK15/Nico. I feel this opportunity we have here needs to be used like a vig shot, and take out a lurky nullscum

[Elbirn]

NK15 postured himself to where he could vote for either RC or Varsoon while calling the thing SvS

Make him eat rope

[Elbirn]

my ability redirects anything that targets NSG towards me or removes the ability if i'm no longer alive. you can confirm it by using a targeted action on her.

Oh, cool. You and I have some unspecified role interactions to take care of, you may be upset with me Day 2 start but it's for the greater good. Specifying more would be anti-town. Shhh bb

[Elbirn]

if you're going to vig me then you probably shouldn't.

I dont want to keep bringing attention here but I will promise that you're not being shot.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nicorobin

[Elbirn]

I'm just gonna keep haphazardly flinging votes about until someone I dont care about dies

Kokichi sounds like some real tea right there but I just committed to this nico thing

[Elbirn]

Lol what?

[Elbirn]

the big 180 for me has been Elbirn. I'm going back to my original read there of disliking him tonally and there's not really any interactions with either me or the varsoon wagon that say that he has to be town.
this nicorobin lynch being blocked off thing is also extremely sketchy to me given the context and I'm wondering if his role gave scum the ability to block off certain lynches for the night so that he is responsible for NR not being lynched

So I used my one shot role to keep the thread open at night but it also made someone immune to a lynch and the person I chose for that was someone i then voted for?

This is pretty contrived considering abilities...you know. Do one thing.

also of all the people who kept like pointing out that there were problems with varsoon's play he was the one who just... wouldn't vote there. going through his iso there's so many times where he called out varsoon for different things but he always went back to nah I'm not doing this, then the "hey I am compromising" bullshit after Varsoon cancelled the peace treaty. Of the people calling me potential scum today he also did so in the most scummy way by simply calling all my content NAI and not trying to take a stance from there. I don't have any positive feelings about the way he interacted with Varsoon and his willingness to point out scumminess in his play but unwillingness to vote there strikes me as white knighting now.

I'm frankly never going to claim to be the best communicator so before I get cranky at you, if I've not made myself clear that's my bad. I think you've misunderstood me entirely though. I've never had a scumread on Varsoon, and as far as your claim that I've "pointed out problems in his play", no I told him he was being a twat towards you and that's it. Then we had a sketch IC claim and I turned my brain off on him because it became the problem that solves itself.

Legitimately, RC, if we have to go back to that 1v1 I'll tell you exactly where my head was and is at. You two were having your dick measuring contest and while I don't condone Varsoon's behavior either, I thought that you were going about it in the scummiest way. (Not morally, gameplay wise.) And maybe on top of that, you caught me, Varsoons someone on this site I happen to enjoy the existence of so maybe I was a little bit biased. And maybe on top of that...fuck I hate to rock the boat but you're..not really someone I like. Sorry. It's an entirely in game thing, we've played several games together and its near always not a healthy experience, and the way you talk to people pisses me right off at times. I dont want to be shitty towards you, or hell anyone for that matter, we just dont mesh well. I'm sure your an irl GoodDude.

I got sidetracked and I tend to ramble. Uh the point is this: BFF varsoon fought that guy I dont care for and emotion ruled the day, and while trying to be peaceful with you later on I subconsciously accidentally started to like.. organically townread you and wanted to work with you, and when I realized that I felt like I made a deal with the devil and didnt want to really divulge that. If you read me again that should be pretty obvious

n-not that I like you or anything, baka

Tldr you're not in my potential scum pile and after varsoons town flip I was shitty towards you a bit cuz I was frustrated and while yeah I think your spat with him is NAI cuz you just hate each other I've been secretly townreading you for a while

I wrote a lot because I'm caffeinated and I want you to know how I feel

[Elbirn]

(Also its anime so I assume that's Nicos role keeping her alive, she even posted the weird flavor thing in thread)

[Elbirn]

Someone tell me what to do

This player list has like 2 people I'm not wanting dead

Maybee 3

And that makes me feel like I'm doing everything horribly wrong

[Elbirn]

Nah fuck it I know what to do

VOTE: Kokichi Oma

In the words of internet scumsucker alex jones, Destroy the child

[Elbirn]

I am at L-1 btw.

Like I'm supposed to hammer the guy who points this out while I'm on a violent indiscriminate rampage?

Wait maybe I am

I'll go get baked and think about it!

[Elbirn]

VOTE: kokichi

Fine I have no read on kokichi.

You have to be tsundere you baka

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Kokichi


Fire what happened with your vote last night?

[Elbirn]

jjh didn't count it. not sure why, did my vote need to use the tsundere thing? I didn't know that was still in effect during a night vote.
my bad if it was.

Ugh, we're running out of time.

I dunno, I think that I was slightly townleaning Kokichi earlier because I feel like scum wouldn't ultra focus on the minigames and ignore everything else like he did, but I'm not sure how valid a 'read' that really is. He actively avoided taking a stance on the 1v1 and during tonight he seems to be jumping on the most popular wagons, which I'm not too sure about but it's not necessarily scum motivated? If he really is town and telling the truth though, then we could be lynching a pretty big potential asset, but even if that’s the case, I'm not entirely sure that I'll ever trust him enough to allow him to use his ability without question. I don't think his claim is a lie as it’s so easily provable, but I reckon it's entirely possible that it is a half truth and there's more to it. At the moment my read on him is null at best.

If NK15's strange logic is characteristic of his play regardless of alignment then he's gonna be a pain to sort with any kind of certainty. His push on Nibbui is very interesting though, would scum start a push against a widely townread player? Or rather more importantly, does his push seem genuine? At the point where he started pushing Nibbui, there were already quite a few votes on him, I feel like if he were scum looking to get out of a lynch, he wouldn't decide to go for Nibbui of all people, I think that his push is more likely than not to be genuine.

Ughhhhhhhh I'm taking a stance here I guess, feels bad to just waste Elbirn’s ability.

VOTE: Kokichi

This is a weird post because she states that she's running out of time. Implying that the vote on me is because it's running out of time. Then explains that her read on me is null at best, and nk15 is scummy based on the push she feels like is not genuine. At the point of this vote, NK15 had 6 votes, and if she was serious about being upset about running out of time, I don't see why she would vote me in that moment when I had less votes and she null read me and scumread nk15. I feel this post needs an explanation and I'm surprised no one else pointed it out. NK15 flips scum, this would be my next lynch

while i am at it:
VOTE: Elbirn

I am coming for u sir, u are still my biggest scumread.

Chibibear did anything invigorating happen to you last night?

[Elbirn]

YA KNOW

I MULTIQOUTE SOME POSTS 3 HOURS AGO

THEN DECIDE IM NOT WANTING TO RESPOND RN

AND WHERE ARE THE QUOTES

THERE THEY ARE

[Elbirn]

I'm preoccupied but I wanna be a part of things

NSG I believe in you and I wish you could have played like this Day 1

I made the mistake of trying to read this thread last night while inebriated and while I thought I was on some next level shit at the time today I'm like ehhh

I have misgivings about FB that need to be thought about

I'm doubting my chibi town read, but I'm also scumreading Kokichi and I need to sort the post he made pushing chibi for not voting NK and what that all means, both like...what this means for chibi and what it means for the two of them as a pairing

Uhhm

Hi everyone how are you?

[Elbirn]

VOTE: NSG
That was the dumbest night kill and seeing NSG try to take advantage of it right away speaks volumes.
People who were in RCs poe don't just kill RC to conf his said poe.(At least I wouldn't and I don't think people are dumb enough to do that) So it came from people not in said poe or enough scum outside it

I dont think it was the worst.

@NSG and Gamma: is this the post in question?

I dont know that I see this as AI. Why does scum make this post? How proud to you have to be to defend your own nightkill?

[Elbirn]

[*] I can't die so I don't need to worry about getting nightkilled.

Feel free to ignore me if explaining is anti-town. How is this? RC claimed some things I didnt quite follow and if you could dumb it down for me like I'm 5 that could help me a LOT

Because while I see nothing in Maria's play that's scummy, I certainly see her trying to claim potential death proof as a CC to you being death proof, so that explains RC's scumread on her.

[Elbirn]

I'm not sure how much better I can explain my vote on Kokichi, seems like a lot of you guys aren't getting where I'm coming from.

Also can someone please explain where these Nico townreads are coming from? Is it just from familiarity? She is still the nullest of the null for me.

Hi chibi! Did something invigorating happen to you last night?

[Elbirn]

, but I'm also scumreading Kokichi and I need to sort the post he made pushing chibi for not voting NK and what that all means, both like...what this means for chibi and what it means for the two of them as a pairing

VOTE: elbrin

I've asked you to clarify why you scumread me and you've ignored it

You're a cutie pie <3

[Elbirn]

Someone who townreads chibi can sway me. Shes my weakest read in there.

UNVOTE:

If anyone wants to discuss any specific person let me know

Talk to me about your MariaR read

[Elbirn]

To head off this holiday season, I'm just gonna throw out my PoE because why not:

Towniest - Nibbui, Mutant
Town? - NSG, NK15
Eh - Elbirn, Maria
Null at best - Kokichi, Gamma, Fire, Nico

This list is missing something

What is it?

[Elbirn]

Moi?~ uwu

I never agreed with people who include themselves in their read list, seems dumb and pointless. No offense.

I didnt mean yourself, but yes I agree we should gather those who put themselves in their own reads lists and we should put them on a small boat and gently push it out to sea where they can find their own happy little island to play mafia on away from us normal people

Your list is still lacking something vital. Not a someone.

[Elbirn]

Scumreads then?

Oh. Is this going to be a repeat of Open 740? Fantastic. Just what I wanted to deal with.

Correct! Why are you not suspicious of anyone at all? No pressure. Big smiles. Friendly people playing games. No but really who's scum?

[Elbirn]

...uhhhhh mmmm I'm no longer interested in bullying right now

But if I may; cuz I also generally have the goal of finding townie town and then going from there. Having frends to cooperate with is a great plan. But that doesnt mean you dont also try to determine who's scum, because that's how you achieve win con

"You're still aiming to hit the most-likely scum player, but that can sometimes be a secondary objective compared to the primary of not lynching town."

I'm not gonna harass you for reads you dont have, but if you're town you need to play both sides of the ball. You have "eh" and "null" categories, surely you have a bad gut feeling about at least one? Do a soul search on them, think about stuff. Get down in the dirt with the rest of us homie

[Elbirn]

Oh

Wait what the fuck I quoted the same thing you did *but I read it backwards*

[Elbirn]

Okay cool be bitter when I'm trying to be a pal

I THOUGHT WE WERE POCKET-BUDDIES CHIBI

[Elbirn]

The only by logic scumread I managed on Day/Night 1 was RC which turned out to be completely wrong.

My gut scum read on Day 1 was Fire but I'm now starting to wonder if it's really mechanically likely that a scum player would be given a freaking triple vote, even if that triple vote is dependent on a town player's actions.

What's got me is that + do scum shoot the player who's been pocketed AND grants your team a triple vote?

"buT wIfOm" lol shut up everyone else scum does things for reasons and gets away with it when you overthink things

[Elbirn]

I think a lot falls into place with a kokichi/maria flip and that's what I'm looking for today

[Elbirn]

NSG dont do this I'm like your biggest fan

Pedit: Nibbui shhhhh

[Elbirn]

Just waiting at this point weee

For what?

[Elbirn]

Do you always roll over and die when you're being scumread orrr?

[Elbirn]

Not at all. I'm just mostly at a loss at what to say. Could be my lack of enjoyment for this but meh. Nothing posted has made me want to comment. It's pretty obvious I wouldn't be scum in this situation but for some reason this magic Poe is born. If lynching me wakes people up so be it I won't fight it.

Asking a loaded question but
What makes you obvtown?

[Elbirn]

elbirn i don't know what to say to u right now cause i don't think a lot of ur posts have been scum hunting in the way i should expect and you have felt so reactive to everything in the game that i don't think those reactions should be considered AI. Like my mind goes back to the rc vs varsoon and i think you had the most "omg this is a terrible tvt lets not do it" kind of mindset and it was done in a way that i think you were trying to keep the game lighter and not toxic and it was more scum mind who doesn't like seeing that. Now why can't u be town and doing that too? Good point, could be. Just felt more like non-comital and trying to be passive observer to it while pushing away from it knowing that it wasn't healthy.

I DONT GET UR READS AT ALL AND U FEEL LIKE A SHEEP OF CHIBI AND I CANT SEE ANYONE THINKING LIKE CHIBI EXCEPT CHIBI.

Chibi mindset can't be naturally mimicked. I refuse to believe it.

1. How WOULD you expect me to be scumhunting? Are you trying to say you know how I play because I refuse to believe you think that when I haven't played with you in years and when we did play it was a small sample size of games

2. Your description of the RC vs varsoon tvt WOULD be correct..if youd, you know. Swap out my name for yours.

Whereas I actively tried to push rc away from varsoon and to so focus his energy on other reads...you kinda just popped in, told varsoon to fuck off from time to time, or tell them both to stop, but didnt really do anything constructive with it.

Literally the way I feel about your interactions with the whole thing is how you claim to feel about my interactions with it so like what?

Not to mention that scum damn near certainly wanted that toxic dumpster fire to rage on for as long as possible considering how crippling it was to the game state, so why would I mediate in a constructive manner as scum? It makes sense for you *pretending* to mediate for good boy points while not really helping

3. How am I sheeping chibi when I've made it very transparent where I stand today and it has nothing to do with chibi, quite literally what the fuck is this?

[Elbirn]

Elbirn has ur meta shifted a lot since last we played btw? Cause this playstyle ur doing just doesn't seem right.

I'm an outrageous shit poster with occasional moments of genius, so no

[Elbirn]

I haven't felt like playing sorry
Maybe later tonight

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:

I need thinky time and its Merry Crisis time so I'll deal with this later

[Elbirn]

la la la

Sniped my page top.

But

[Elbirn]

You got the page top. From whence do your complaints arise?

[Elbirn]

Wouldn’t your time be better spent working on the main thread rather than shouting at me though?

Not when I am too tired to work on the main thread.

You've probably never been swarmed by irl responsibilities to the point you cannot provide content because you're too tired. I envy you.

I even provided two examples of the games that prove that I CAN'T READ PLAYERS UNTIL LATE GAME, and you know this too.

Yet you somehow expect me to magically be able to sort people in early game despite this? Yeah, no.

If you're too busy irl to play this game, you have my sympathy, and for your own health and the health of this game, you should replace out.

If you're incapable of playing the game until some nebulous "late game" appears, you're making excuses that I really just have no time for.

In either case your slot is still basically locktown so if you could replace out and give us someone who actually wants to play that'd be very helpful. I'm not interested in harassing or sounding like a bully, I'm not gonna bring this up again. If the above is true, you're dead in the water and dragging us down.

[Elbirn]

Wasnt there something that made NK15 town

I've forgotten

[Elbirn]

Fire I still owe you a response and I wanted to talk to/about kokichi

This post is a reminder to myself

[Elbirn]

All right, if you have proof that I am good player in early game, then show it.

I dont have any proof, but if you're actually certain that you're that bad in early game, wouldn't it make sense to...play more in the early game so you can get better at it?

Like I'm honestly really frustrated with you because you say that you're better at late game,

but everyone is better at late game

. Theres more information and solid events to go off of. So basically you're putting a burden on the rest of your team to play the difficult part of the game when you don't feel like it, and also to leave you alive just because you say so, and you'll play when you say you will but not a moment sooner.

Like...come on. You've either gotta wade into the mud with the rest of us, or dedicate your mafia career towards being the worlds best replace-in so you can have your wish of only playing late games moving forward

And okay, have it your way. Before 24 hours are up, I will pull some reads out of my ass, since apparently that is what you want. But before I do, you must all promise not to object to any of them, no matter how silly or dumb they seem to you. You are trying to force me to spew reads before I am ready, so it's the least you can do.

Nico you dont have to have a single correct read. You can say I'm scum because the purple elephants in your brain start meowing when its raining in Vienna, I dont give a shit, I just want to know how you think and how other people react to how you think

[Elbirn]

I think I just realized that Nibbui is scum.

What fun!

[Elbirn]

I think I just realized that Nibbui is scum.

What fun!

What caused your realisation?

I'm not sure what cards I need to keep to my chest at the moment but I'll share with the class after I've puzzled everything out

[Elbirn]

Yes, thank you. Are there any reads youd like to talk about more in depth? I know you're busy so if you don't have time at the moment that's fine.

I think Gamma is town for a few reasons, is your scumread on him just based on his pressuring you for content, or do you see something I've missed?

[Elbirn]

Yes, thank you. Are there any reads youd like to talk about more in depth? I know you're busy so if you don't have time at the moment that's fine.

I think Gamma is town for a few reasons, is your scumread on him just based on his pressuring you for content, or do you see something I've missed?

Well, no, I kinda made that list using Random. org, because you said you'd be okay with me doing that.

I should have known better.

Well I'm gonna go ahead and take a deep breath

And ask you if youd like to talk about your "biggest town and scum read", because you just admitted they exist. If you've only got two reads, that's fine, I dont expect or want anyone to solve the game just because I snapped my fingers. Just share what ya got

[Elbirn]

[Chibi, NSG, Nico] - Town read
[Elbirn, Mutant] - Town lean
[Gamma, Fire] - Nulltown?
[MariaR, NK15] - Null
[Kokichi] - Scum lean

I feel I've nothing to do here but shitpost right now...

Do you have any other scumreads aside from the claimed IC?

[Elbirn]

mr Elbirn.

Fire I'm at work for one thing and for another I've had difficulty finding the energy to refute your bullshit over the holiday fun times and also when I'm thinking you're possibly scum so like why engage?

Like I'm trying to be current with the game and with what time I have and you're all "I'm mr messeeks look at me!" And I'm like "free shrugs today friendo"

I'll get back to you later but hey if you want a quick tldr I think you claiming to have meta on me is either 1. Bs, or 2. If true then you should have me as obvtown, and I think you having me as your supposedly top scumread but your reasoning is just "meta".. uh hoo boy you need to try harder babe. The rest of your post I dont remember so

[Elbirn]

I've been thinking and came to the conclusion that NSG isn't as obvtown as I superficially thought.

I don't think that a supposed scum!NSG acts much differently in a general sense, however, I think that her mysterious clearing on Nico might be very town indicative honestly.

I can't see very clearly why scum!NSG would do that at all with the info I've right now.

Not impossible at all but I don't find it very likely, and I don't think I can give myself the luxury to focus on her with so many shaky slots.

I'm not 100% sure, there is some doubts here, but I guess Chibi can be strong town read as well. She deserves to win here if scum compared to what would be supposedly townies.

[NSG, Chibi, Nico] - town

[Gamma, Fire] - town lean (I might be wrong on one of them, but never on both. I like to think of them as a pack)

[MariaR, Elbirn, Mutant, NK15] - null, nullscum or nulltown. Confusing feelings.

[Kokichi] - scum read

I know that what I said here is mostly scattered on my ISO but I'm starting to think more deeply about the game and giving this readlist is a good way to start.

Just a note that I dont understand where post 2890 comes from, nor the paranoia re:me and NSG. 2890 is just scumposting and I'm glad mutant noticed. Theres nothing said about a supposedly scum NSG, it's just...a townread disguised so it can be disavowed later, or something, idk what it is, ITS WEIRD OKAY

[Elbirn]

Fire might be frustrated town, dont tell him I said so

[Elbirn]

Well you dont seem to be interested in actually pushing me as a scumread/wagon, but you haven't backed off like I would assume scum would in such a scenario. So you're being belligerent but with no apparent motive and I'm over here like "what are you doing"

I'm not happy with what youre saying but I dont know what motivates scum-fire to say it, so regardless of alignment you've confused me congrats

Pedit: nibbui dont interrupt its rude

Jk ily

[Elbirn]

Dude idk what you want, if you think I'm scum then please vote me

[Elbirn]

my vote is currently on you.

Oh, I didnt realize. Good job fire!

[Elbirn]

What do you expect me to do here ftr?

Just vote you and not talk to you or what?

I think the point is that I really dont care.

I'm trying to do XYZ things and you doggedly insist on my paying attention to you but I really just dont care

[Elbirn]

Fire I think I made it very clear when I said I was going to respond that you were bottom of my priorities so stop twisting my words

Is there a reason for you being a pedantic needledick cuz I kinda just want you to fuck off right about now

[Elbirn]

Okay, here is my readlist then


Townleans: ChibiBear, mutantdevle, Not Known 15
Null: northsidegal, Elbirn
Scumleans: Firebringer, Kokichi Oma, MariaR
Scums: Nibbui, Gamma Emerald

There, you happy?

I don't know why you got all worked up for because this is actually a fairly decent reads list. There are some people that I'd disagree with your placement of them but I get that you probably haven't strongly considered many of these people.

Oh no you've fallen for the same trap I did

Do you have any other scumreads aside from the claimed IC?

Do you actually believe the claimed IC? Because this post feels like you're throwing shade at Nibbui for disbelieving the claim.

Considering Nibbui is my tin foil hat conspiracy that I'm working on, duh? Also if the IC is a lie then kokichi dies. EZPZ

I'm thinking you're possibly scum so like why engage?

...

Yall can give me as much shit as you want but if I'm being trolled hard by scum then clearly what is wanted by scumteam is for me to be dragged into conversations I dont want about things that dont matter to prevent from uncovering the T R U T H

Unless fire is town in which case I'm just a dildo

[Elbirn]

That replaceout was not what I was expecting :/

[Elbirn]

Why the rush? This isn't like Varsoon's claim where he said he 'might' be confirmed IC at some point in the game, Kokichi is outright claiming that he can be confirmed IC tomorrow, so if he's lying, we can just lynch him with confidence tomorrow.

If I

know

they're lying about their claim, why wouldn't I want them dead today?

Like I'm not desperate for their lynch right now, but I'm not opposed to it in any way.

One thing we do have to consider though is why would scum claim IC that they claim they can activate during the night? Answer: to get themselves one more night. The next question would then be why is that one last night so important?

1. How do you *know* hes lying?
2. How do you not want him turbolynched if you know that hes lying?

Unless I'm misunderstanding something, Kokichi unlocked this role as a result of not making any night actions, so he didn't know he could be confirmed IC until the start of Day 2 right? Unless you have a better reason to invalidate his claim, I'm willing to give him the benefit of doubt for today.

First of all, I'm under the impression from asking the mod about my own quest that quests are day things and can't be completed during the night. Secondly, what night ability does Kokichi actually have that warrants a quest to not perform it huh? The primary role they've claimed to us only activates upon winning a minigame.

So they don't even have a night ability to even perform.

So does that mean that their quest is essentially "hey, wait until night 2 and then you get this for free!". Think about that, Kokichi is basically claiming that their role is to become an IC on day 2 for free on top of a role that benefits from being let win all the minigames. Does that not sound incredibly fucking sketchy? So the options of what's going on here are A) He is lying about his role, B) The only night action that he could possibly have in order to not perform one for the quest is the factional kill (which means he is lying about his role anyway), or C) The mod is bad at game design. It doesn't take a lot to see that Kokichi is lying here.

1. My quest involved night phase
2. Actually wait all of this makes sense lmao

VOTE: Kokichi oma