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OBVIOUSLY I don't have access to scum chat. OBVIOUSLY. Guys, look at me OBVIOUSLY not scum.In post 51, Creature wrote:In post 48, Leodanny wrote:
What do you mean?In post 45, Creature wrote:In post 31, Leodanny wrote:Kaythanks, but why?In post 27, YyottaCat wrote:Wow is there seriously more than four scums in this game?
I think you derped here.In post 28, Leodanny wrote:I hope not.
Not buying it.
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What RQS questions are you proposing then?In post 38, OkaPoka wrote:If everyone is willing to answer my questions and a serious version of RQS-
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Engagement level = highIn post 68, Suka wrote:Walls suck.-
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@rb- are you like... breadcrumbing with your 'wow's everywhere?
Is this your scumtell?
As for the Yyotta lynch- she won't come back except to basically 'prod-dodge'.
She pulls this stuff in her other games with her acting surprised an RVS vote, and the resulting 'why meeee?'
I'd support the policy lynch on her, but it's very much NAI, and her flip either way won't give us anything (unless we jackpot a scum PR )-
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So you're allowing that newbie!town slip to slide?In post 229, mbaki wrote:This could be on the awkward townie side I think.
I'm not happy without further scrutiny but fine.
I had the same impressionIn post 233, Varsoon wrote:As for my YYotta vote, that was never a serious vote and was only meant to highlight Oka talking out of their ass.-
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The scrutiny will apply to your future posts.
I just want it on record that I view what you're doing as trying to consciously establish yourself as clueless newbie!town, and that pings my scum radar.
I also really don't like how others are letting you get away with it- it means that you're succeeding.-
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Can you TL;DR them into 1 nice concise post as your ISO is a bit difficult and flip-floppy to read?In post 241, Creature wrote:Even 10 townreads feel bad tbh (specially if the three remainning don't all feel like scum),
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mbaki wrote:but 252 is townie.
So..... what you're saying is... that it could also be not so townieIn post 223, Kmd4390 wrote:My scum game is just me trying to match my town game.-
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I'm willing to jump on the DDL wagon (when/if he comes back) even though it doesn't really make sense to me..
Pretty much this- I think scum is way too classy to AtE, especially come D1...In post 374, BrightEyedFish wrote:I don't know if he is trying to use AtE to get people off of him and its having the opposite effect or what-
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And how is NC obv scum?
TvTIn post 348, Nero Cain wrote:Dual ISO us and tell me what you think.-
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I'd like to push for a Yyotta D-1 lynch.
-She'll basically only stop by to prod dodge
-Completely refuse to interact with us
-and If she says LITERALLY ANYTHING in her defense I'll drop it.
It's an extremely frustrating slot to deal with, and if anything the support for/against her will give town something to go on.
In post 180, OkaPoka wrote:where did YyottaCat goIn post 338, OkaPoka wrote:Yyotta could you walk me through your thought process?In post 292, OkaPoka wrote:Yyotta how are you feeling about this game?-
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And I don't claim otherwise. It's just as you say-In post 382, mbaki wrote:YYotta on policy rather than scumhunting principles.
I could dig up quotes that dinged my scum radar on almost every player here and that just makes this game waay too hard to figure out. I don't see the grounds or the foundations for the nc, suka, DDL, and fish, scum accusations. Maybe there's way too much friendly/meta interaction going on (disclaimer- played only with varsoon and yyotta here in newbie games before before) but I can't find anyone to build up my town core with.In post 381, mbaki wrote:I could lynch every one of the posters from the last two pages
So I'd like to get a quick lynch and move on to night stage for when PRs can truly shine.
Bring the hate-
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Sorry, that was just me wagon hopping.In post 382, mbaki wrote:you are currently voting Suka, the person you're dismissing as town, and not YYotta
If I can get a Yyottapolicywagon going, then I'll get on it.
Otherwise I'll just park my vote nowhere until someone registers on my scum radar beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Sure- let me just hop on the Suka wagon and make it L-1!!!In post 426, Leodanny wrote:Vorkuta you should vote!
No.
Not until I have even the slightest idea of who MIGHT be scum/town.-
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In post 435, Suka wrote:His posts. Especially the one where he votes me.
Well you realize that you aren't exactly scoring brownie points with that reasoning?In post 436, Suka wrote:I'd also be willing to lynch Vorkuta at this point.
With my vote on you, that'll make 6 (4 as per VC, 1 from mbaki right after).
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It's like with most things this game- I'm hoping that the process of jumping on said wagon would help me understand the wagon better.In post 438, Kmd4390 wrote:If it doesn't make sense to you, why are you willing to jump on it?
I really don't like the way she responds to things, but likewise I think that even if she were scum she'd show the bare minimum effort in TRYING to defend herself.In post 438, Kmd4390 wrote:What would be the reason for jumping off? Do you no longer scum read Suka?
To see where the wagon would take me.In post 438, Kmd4390 wrote:Why were you even voting a town read in the first place?
What does this even mean..? Where do I even begin?In post 444, Suka wrote:Vorkuta, why are you playing so much worse than your initial newbie game?
-I replaced into my initial newbie game that already had like 3 L-1 wagons worth of feuds to analyze.
-I didn't do jack that game. We won because ofdivinePR intervention.
-you're all meta reading each other more than you are actually... deducing stuff.-
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Suka made more postsIn post 455, Kmd4390 wrote:Has something changed?
But seriously- in all fairness, I want to see the Yyotta wagon go through as she'll stonewall the game otherwise. (prove me wrong!)
If it won't happen at all, then
In post 385, Vorkuta wrote:So I'd like to get a quick lynch and move on to night stage for when PRs can truly shine.-
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Because I don't think that it will throughIn post 452, Suka wrote:Vorkuta, why don't you vote Bright with me?
His ISO only gives me:
Yyota RVS and bit of pressure
sorry afk
sorry what'd I miss
wow guys, hating on me for asking for help
varsoon stop bully
DDL AtE = don't get the scum hread
Suka wagon
and that gives my literally no grounds to vote on him
Like- what am I supposed to say when asked for why I would be voting for BEF- Suka told me to?-
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Ok I'll play ballIn post 458, OkaPoka wrote:I think suka has a chance of being scum
Suka's posts come off as very pushy for whatever wagon she's feels like pushing and have a very mean time.
Based on the way she posts, I doubt that she's a newbie, and hence I think she's fishing for things.
Like there's no way good scum!suka ends up at L-2 THIS EARLY ON.-
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You see- that's my problem with this game in particular.In post 464, Nero Cain wrote:this is really the only Vork post that seems scummy to me.
scum!vork would have such an easy pass right now, that it's not even funny.
I think the same goes for a third of the entire player cast.-
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In post 469, Nero Cain wrote:What if she's just not good?
So you'd rather conclude that you're playing with bad players, rather than potentially 'overestimate' someone?In post 470, OkaPoka wrote:I think that's reaching a bit.
Maybe I'll change my mind with more games under my belt, but I don't buy it.
I don't know- I didn't roll scumIn post 473, Nero Cain wrote:how would a scum Vork navigate this game?
There's no answer I can give you that will satisfy you.
I'm not going to make claims like:
But the fact remains- there ARE people for whom the winning strategy as scum is to lay low, bus if necessary, and just not draw attention for as long as possible and win by lurking. I've 'idled' around in the game for long enough to realize that with the way this game is going, a third of the player cast could literally get away with that.In post 223, Kmd4390 wrote:My scum game is just me trying to match my town game.-
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She literally has to do the exact opposite of what she's doing right now (playing Suka against the world) to not get caught.In post 478, Nero Cain wrote:I'm saying she could totally get caught.
Like this is D-1.-
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-Unfortunately we can't prove that as she has only 1 other game on site.In post 480, Nero Cain wrote:but what if she just plays the same way regardless of alignment?
-I think (MY judgement call here- look at her arguments, and she's not playing the newbie card her) she has a few games under her belt, and I doubt she could be effective at mafia with having an alignment non-indicative playstyle that basically gets her lynched at D-1.-
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I wanted to confirm whether she knew exactly that she was almost at L-1 and was... 'ok' with it.In post 493, mbaki wrote:439 sounds weird.
Like 'wouldn't change anything about what I've been doing up until now' ok.-
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I invokeIn post 494, Suka wrote:Nope. Vorkuta's town.potatoLeodanny's
Like you guys are just handing town reads out like participation trophies.In post 31, Leodanny wrote:Kaythanks, but why?-
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Just.. not disagreeing with anything you've said... loved the whole speech... but....In post 503, mbaki wrote:so keeping my vote parked on that slot does nothing
Isn't the answer 'more votes on Yyotta'?
Like that slot is unresolved, and will stay that way until something/someone does something.-
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Sorry Yyotta, but that doesn't qualify as
My vote is still on you.In post 379, Vorkuta wrote:-and If she says LITERALLY ANYTHING in her defense I'll drop it.-
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How's that going for you?In post 600, Creature wrote:We should probably coordinate a quickhammer on Vorkuta
Seriously though- what for?
I find myself agreeing withIn post 445, Nero Cain wrote:Creature's content is ass-
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That's uh.. very aggressive herding coming from you.In post 655, Nero Cain wrote:and your wagon choices are
Like this comes of as scum!nc basically proclaiming "as scum, I allow you to pick these 4 wagons to jump on as my scum partners aren't at risk"-
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Oh wow- that's how you get people to reply to you?
We still have 4 days left- that's enough time to start an NC wagon, don't you think?
I don't think you approach of herding votes by deciding what wagons can or can't go through on D-1 is very town friendly.
It's narrow in scope and it feels like an anti-town thing to say.
I mean sure- you can go down the entire player cast and give a reason for why a wagon on the SHOULD exist, or why a wagon on them WON'T go through today, however urging 4 lurking players to explicitly PICK one of the 4 'NC-approved-wagons' still strikes me as scum. Like they see the VC and the general state of town. Why the herding?-
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I'm still dying from this quote- is it a shitpost if I defend myself?In post 103, rb wrote:every post someone makes that isn't voting the wagons i'm on is a shitpost tbh-
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see what I mean?In post 655, Nero Cain wrote:and your wagon choices are
mbaki wagon is a thing now, and it wouldn't have been if people listened to your herding-
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You know you're not changing your vote right? Like what are you even trying to emphasize?
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I'm not even understanding the wagon on me- I try and push for a policy lynch on Yyotta early on because LyLo reasons, it gets more or less shot down. So I back off and try and focus on my actual scum reads and call out plays that people make that ping my scum radar and now bam: the Yyotta wagon is being reconsidered and I'm being scum read.In post 815, OkaPoka wrote:maybe im misunderstanding vorkuta wagon-
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Thanks for... the town read?In post 1081, mbaki wrote:Done posting here. Good luck town.
Are you replacing out? Is this is a scum play?-
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Hi hi how can I help explain things?In post 1079, OkaPoka wrote:overboard with the push
The yyotta push? That would also have to do with a previous game I had with her.-
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What happened to...?
Look if you're going to base your entire theory that I'm scum simply on me jokingly asking rb 'what's with the wows' then... like... wow.In post 981, mbaki wrote:I believe that means Vorkuta is town?-
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If you're going to cherrypick rb's posts and """crumbs""", let me help with thatIn post 17, rb wrote:mbaki confirmed scum-
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Ok I have like 50 questions now (most of them towards mbaki because what he says makes no sense and just comes off as anti-town)
-How am I at L-1? It takes 6 to lynch and I count 4 (DDL, mbaki, nc, & fish). Fish put me at L-2, not L-1.
-Ok really: was I the ONLY person annoyed at rb's wow's so much that I wanted to call them out on it?
But noooo it's scum!vork traitor hunting. How on earth is that a 'scum claim' or anything of the sort?
-Seriously- if you're going to use 'inexperience' as an argument for 'vork is scum', I'll do the same thing and say I'm so inexperienced I didn't even know traitor was a role. After all- 3 newbie games and no mafia 'traitors' in there.
-Why are you guys giving the lurksacks and fluffposters a huge pass and not pressuring them to say something?
Your entire game plan, reasoning, and logic basically hinges on ME to flip red, leaving you in a complete crisis with a third of the player cast unaccounted for when I flip green.
-Again: your claim to read rb's breadcrumbs is complete BS.
RB couldn't have '''crumbed''' me because I'm not scum.
How is rb's #17 ANY less valid than his alleged crumbing of me?
The way I see it: you found yourself an easy newbie scapegoat to lynch on D2.
It'll cause scum!mbaki no worries or issues whatsoever, it won't reveal ANY useful information ('oh noo suka's defending him' can go both ways and you know it), and scum is one mislynch closer to victory.
So please- can you explain to me (like I'm a complete newbie) how you got that I was """traitor-hunting""" and """scum-claiming""" from what I've said so far?-
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And if I'm not scum, I wouldn't have anything referring to a 'traitor' in my role pm.In post 1186, mbaki wrote:If you are scum, which you are, you would know traitor was a role because it would be in your PT chat and likely role pm that you have a traitor.
LIkewise- if I WERE scum, wouldn't I have like... instructions and things to do/not do coming from slightly more experienced members?
Ok fine- to any other parties:In post 1186, mbaki wrote:Again, all I have to say to this is "lmao".
How is rb's "crumbing" of mbaki and DDL any less valid than the alleged crumbing of myself?
This is cherrypicking at its finest. Let's ignore all the other things rb tried to share with us, and let's go focus on the newbie push.
You mean scum being 1 mislynch closer to victory?In post 1186, mbaki wrote:you reference it in this very post twice
You're twisting my words- there's nothing 'defeatist' about my attitude here.
I'd love to try but you're making it so damn difficult with YOUR defeatism/self-vote, then revival, and subsequent tunneling on me.In post 1186, mbaki wrote:you aren't making any attempt to sort my alignment
The fact that you're REFUSING to consider that scum might've easily pinned the ""blunder"" on a newbie townie like me is very anti-town of you, and seeing as this is the ONLY thing you've done (after self-voting) this D2, my vote still stands.-
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I have a problem reading players like Varsoon, Creature, Leodanny, and Kmd, so I'd like to wait until they get back here.In post 1183, Suka wrote:What're your reads, Vorkuta?
My entire case is that: I'm not scum, yet people have decided that for whatever reason #181 has been misinterpreted as 'scum!vork is traitor hunting'
I'd like to see who supports this stance and who doesn't. From that I can decide whether it's scum coordinating a mislynch on me, or genuine townies reading this as scum behavior.-
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.............In post 1190, mbaki wrote:You asked rb if he was your traitor, he said yes.
what is this I can't even
On one hand your logic and reasoning is bad and that's scum.
On the other hand your persistent tunneling (regardless of how bad it is) feels town.-
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Delete the 'ing' portion of that word.In post 1196, mbaki wrote:Vorkuta has never used the word breadcrumbing before that post anywhere on this site.
I don't know what case you're trying to build with that but ok.-
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Cool at L-1 now. Not claiming without an intent to hammer.
Remember who's on my wagon and who's not on my wagon.
DDL and BEF just passively jumped on it because 'meh why not'. Hell- in DDL's case this basically started off as a counter wagon so he'll gladly jump on any life raft offered.
Oka.... gave up on the mbaki lynch attempt.
Mbaki and NC are actively pushing it, and providing (bad) reasons for them.
Like NC goes line by line through my ISO and points out that I'm not doing 100% town things with every single one of my posts. Let me respond to some of them.