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In post 32, OkaPoka wrote:I’ve been thinking about this for a while now, while playing and reading other games. On the subject of the whole RVS thing, why do we do RVS and is it really the best? I was wondering if we could find any alternatives to RVS because the whole thing is kinda well, random, and Day 1’s feel a bit too random in my taste.
So here’s my thought process behind the point of RVS. It’s not really supposed to be random, your supposed to vote people you know to sort of reaction test them or do an early wagon, something along those ideas to basically sort the awkward people from the smooth and suave. But playing a bunch of newbie games, where half the player list is unrecognizable and awkward no matter what, because they are newbies leads me to the belief that day 1 really is just a newbie/not_mafia genocide of sorts, not a good place to kill scum, you know what I mean? And voting people you are familiar with, it’s not really fair right? People should always shake up their meta a bit to find what’s optimal, at least I do it a lot because I’m still trying to find that successful style, and I doubt anyone has perfected their game. Voting your friends and not getting the right reaction is punishing them for trying to do better, or voting your friends and getting the right reaction can lead to bad townreads (because the point of scum is to look town!)
So then I was thinking, does RVS provide anything more? There exists the claim about interactions in RVS to find associatives and stuff, but I feel like we’ve evolved as site enough to understand that RVS is too jokey to be taken seriously, it's all wifom, people who claim they found the scum team in RVS are most likely full of themselves.
Considering all of these reasons for why RVS kinda sucks, I read the wiki and some articles on RVS, and they mostly pointed to the same ideas: RVS sucks but it’s alternatives are worse. Don’t do RQS blah blah blah.
But what makes RQS garbage? Looking at the wiki article, the disadvantages are that the questions suck, but is it really that hard to create some good questions rather than begin the game with lighthearted and low pressure playstyle? If we ask the right questions, maybe RQS won’t lead us to scum, but it’s a great way to philosophically start the game, get to know how each person plays and processes the game so we don’t genocide the unfamiliar. Maybe for people unfamiliar with the player list, it’ll help a lot, and it’ll establish some basic guidelines of how people process games so in the future of the game, town can come back to the beginning and look for inconsistencies and the scum override-al of normal town behavior relative to the person.
Anyways this post was a roundabout attempt of starting a better, “enlightened” RQS rather than going with the same old RVS. Let’s start a discussion on why RQS sucks, why we do RVS. But let’s get down to the meat of the reasons why, like the fundamental ideas of your beliefs. You’ve seen my thought process of RVS and RQS, so what’s your thought process?
Pedit: I know people don't like reading large blocs of text and skip to the end, but please just read this one.Sigh- Creature
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In post 31, Leodanny wrote:Kaythanks, but why?In post 27, YyottaCat wrote:Wow is there seriously more than four scums in this game?
I think you derped here.In post 28, Leodanny wrote:I hope not.Sigh- Creature
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Obviously there wouldn't have more than four scum-aligned players in a 13-players mini, it wouldn't be normal.In post 48, Leodanny wrote:
What do you mean?In post 45, Creature wrote:In post 31, Leodanny wrote:Kaythanks, but why?In post 27, YyottaCat wrote:Wow is there seriously more than four scums in this game?
I think you derped here.In post 28, Leodanny wrote:I hope not.
The way you responded is unlikely to come from scum.Sigh- Creature
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You don't know the theories I pull while in mafia games...In post 67, Varsoon wrote:If you want to have a theory thread, do that in General Mafia Discussion.Sigh- Creature
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Vorkuta probtownIn post 22, Vorkuta wrote:mbaki told us to do this in scumchatSigh- Creature
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In post 27, YyottaCat wrote:Wow is there seriously more than four scums in this game?
Already explained why Leodanny is town here.In post 28, Leodanny wrote:I hope not.Sigh- Creature
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Pocketing attempt?
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In post 62, OkaPoka wrote:even if you think my wall post is a disaster and my ideas suck could u all still respond to it tho
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Okay, I shouldn't straight off townread OkaPoka as this is not game-related contentIn post 64, OkaPoka wrote:I want to first go with the why do you like RVS over RQS and what fundamental beliefs led you to that. Then we can go deeper.Sigh- Creature
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Wow such a damning question scum shouldn't answer this
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Because we have the highest postcount here?In post 76, OkaPoka wrote:Honestly all I feel like is that rb and creature are going to be a pain the ass to read.Sigh- Creature
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idk, try game-related questions instead?In post 83, OkaPoka wrote:im just sad because i want to test out rqs over rvs but ive been denied basicallySigh- Creature
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*stares at it*In post 90, rb wrote:scum trying to pocket me by townreading me for saying wow
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In post 118, Varsoon wrote:VOTE: DrDolittle
Also a good vote.
I don't like how this guy's playing.
Feels opportunistic.In post 118, Varsoon wrote:Feels opportunistic.Sigh- Creature
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He moved from me, a vanity wagon, to another vanity wagon.In post 120, Varsoon wrote:He's specifically taking this vanity wagon and also downplaying a different one.Sigh- Creature
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In post 135, Nero Cain wrote:So if I have an opinion on my wagon its a scum reaction. Got it. That's some shit logic there.
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because he didn't answer your "are you a newb?" question?In post 150, OkaPoka wrote:he's ignoring me/selectively ignoring certain questionsSigh- Creature
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Reads happen first, explanations will eventually come some time later.In post 157, OkaPoka wrote:It's clear who you are scumreading/voting
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I think players tend to scumread non-mellow players.In post 166, DrDolittle wrote:man i dont understand. every fucking game i play im scumread by half the people by page 7 regardless of alignment. is it cause im playing too loose or is my logic too poor?Sigh- Creature
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So you believe the scumteam is Yyotta, Oka and Vork?In post 186, mbaki wrote:Oka and Vork kinda kinda feel like partners trying to force interactions.Sigh- Creature
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Bad, because if you know there are 3 scum and you have like 11 townreads (including yourself) in a 13p game, it's a sureness you're wrong.In post 239, Leodanny wrote:Good or bad?Sigh- Creature
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Usually it's town that start revealing their cards first.In post 242, Leodanny wrote:Hopefully the scum will slip up, yeah?Sigh- Creature
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Reads are harder to explain than you think. You need to swim around until you find something to land your feet on.In post 258, OkaPoka wrote:what do you mean by reads coming before reasoning?Sigh- Creature
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Thought about this.
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The typical "OMGUS, you're not townreading me!"In post 283, rb wrote:
wow why leaning scum imoIn post 278, Nero Cain wrote:iI think he's a bit null but leaning scum.Sigh- Creature
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