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[profii]

Good mid afternoon

VOTE: Egix96

this game is only big enough for 1 doggo

[profii]

Real question though, who voted to make it start on Friday but hasnt showed up yet? Seems counter productive.

VOTE: springtrap

If you were actually bothered you’d have just clicked activity overview or checked manually etc

LAMIST

[profii]

That shows people who have posted and when the last time they did so, yes.

It doesn't tell me who voted to start the game during thanksgiving or after, though. Only the Mod can do that, and whoever voted what.

So to start, you can look up the people that haven't posted and call them out. I stand by my LAMIST call.

[profii]

VOTE: Vote: Profii

Good afternoon. That was very passive aggressive of you, Profii.

no, I think Springtrap is legit being deceptive. I'm happy to say that straight.

[profii]

Real question though, who voted to make it start on Friday but hasnt showed up yet? Seems counter productive.

Do you think it'd be scummy to vote for an after Thanksgiving start and not be here yet? Or are you just saying words?

The fact profii twisted it into something weird is wrong considering I'm new. It was only a question to ask about their holidays nicely. Where's the Scum or Town in that?

There was no mention of me calling them bad. Just curiousity.

right, you know this is a game of informed minority vs uninformed majority, so the informed minority are going to tell lies to win, the game has also started so now we have to start finding those lies by asking questions - if we just let everyone say what they like when they like, scum are going to have an easy ride... agreed? good.

So obviously, when I see a half baked attempt to check something semi-game related (your query about the vote) I'm going to enquire if you are just being a polite dude introducing yourself to the group, or, are you trying to appear as if you are doing something.

The cynic in me said the latter and you haven't really convinced me otherwise

[profii]

Profii is a good vote.

This sounds like someone who has moved out of RVS - because?

[profii]

That’s basically what I’m trying to ascertain

[profii]

VOTE: Vote: Profii

Good afternoon. That was very passive aggressive of you, Profii.

no, I think Springtrap is legit being deceptive. I'm happy to say that straight.

I dunno man. It's day 1, the party's just gettin' started.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TexdoesHalo

Speaking of gut plays this post feels really gross to me but I'm evidently incapable of articulating why

it's either Tex chainsaw defending Springtrap (meaning they're both scum)
or
Tex just doesn't scum read Springtrap (meaning at least Tex is town)

surely?

[profii]

I thought you just picked me because I voted you and because of me saying bunnies are better then dogs.

Nah, that didn't factor into it at all.

Nah i said why i voted you - asking about the voting thing but not calling out the people who hadn't posted just seemed like you were trying to appear like you were doing something

[profii]

I wanted to let my push on Spring play out a bit to give people a chance to react but I think Spring is legit new rather than LAMIST
UNVOTE:

I was a bit suspicious of Elbirn as I was like - he must know what a chainsaw is (for those who are new - hypothetically- town!profii attacks scum!spring, so scum!pal attacks profii to discredit a good push ~ or thereabouts)

But Elbirn came and quite clearly expressed where he was at so

VOTE: Tex

[profii]

@Mod - I'm going to be limited access until Thursday - working away for a few days so I'll peruse in the evenings but I will be out with work people so wont have time to concentrate properly etc

[profii]

TBf I can understand Doughboys meta read on me - in the games we’ve been in together I’ve not been this driven this early

I’d probably just point out I saw an oppurtunity to move us out of RVS with the initial spring push & if you don’t push with conviction what’s the point

But town read for doughboy from me

Kinda in 2 minds about tex being legit new or not rn but will look at the wagon when I’m not VLa as I think some people have show their hand a wee bit

[profii]

I’m back, will catch up in a bit later tonight

[profii]

Nope, your reasons are terrible

So you’re is whatever worse than terrible.

I'm just getting round to my catchup but I'm going to start with these 2 sentences.

If you are both town, calling each other terrible will just mean scum will let you carry on to self destruct towns scum hunting efforts...

stop.

now.

[profii]

VOTE: BEF

The move on and off of Tex is just something I can't look past.

That would make Tex the planned mislynch and BEF doesn't want to be caught on wagon. That being said, Trivium is hard pushing Tex but I think it was 196 which looked like someone finding genuine reasons rather than fabricating an excuse to vote so TR there too.

Here is a read list:

1. Doughboy - town
2. LolWagons - town
3. Springtrap - post more
4. Ruby Red - post more (Inc PP ISO in this read tbh)
5. Egix96 - I'm suspicious but not sure.
6. profii - is awesome.
7. Sad Sheep - Post more, but I don't like 146 - why pre-defend someone before they come back to the game?!
8. Malakitty - post way way way more.
9. BrightEyedFish - I don't like the jump off the Tex wagon
10. Trivium - a wee bit tunnelled on Tex but 196 indicates for the right reasons
11. DrDolittle - a little bit of shade coming out at times so I'm watching
12. Elbirn - seems ok.
13. ceejayvinoya - I'm getting pre-conf bias - I believe BEF to be scum which would suggest you are town, but a BEF Town flip would raise my suspicions greatly as it stands - be good if you could post about other slots a bit more

[profii]

Here is a read list:

1. Doughboy - town
2. LolWagons - town
3. Springtrap - post more
4. Ruby Red - post more (Inc PP ISO in this read tbh)
5. Egix96 - I'm suspicious but not sure.
6. profii - is awesome.
7. Sad Sheep - Post more, but I don't like 146 - why pre-defend someone before they come back to the game?!
8. Malakitty - post way way way more.
9. BrightEyedFish - I don't like the jump off the Tex wagon
10. Trivium - a wee bit tunnelled on Tex but 196 indicates for the right reasons
11. DrDolittle - a little bit of shade coming out at times so I'm watching
12. Elbirn - seems ok.
13. ceejayvinoya - I'm getting pre-conf bias - I believe BEF to be scum which would suggest you are town, but a BEF Town flip would raise my suspicions greatly as it stands - be good if you could post about other slots a bit more

You tell 2 people who have posted more than yourself to post more... feeling forced?

which of those posters declared vla out of interest?

[profii]

Trivium gave a reason to townread me, but Profii only put "post more". I should and hopefully will, but if that is a warranted complaint, why am I number 3 on your list?

Or is it someone else entirely? Which I guess it is since I saw you looked at the front playerlist and went in regular player order.

Wouldn't it have been better to group your townreads and scumreads together? Because now I can't tell if "post more" means you think I'm town, null, or scummy.

why does my perception of you concern you?
Why wouldn't you say "profii is scum reading player X, who I am also scum reading, lets wagon this scum" OR "profii is scum reading player X who I am town reading, profii have you considered _____"

[profii]

zzz someone come talk to me

Hewwo
Why do you think Mala is probwolf?

just because someone's lurking doesn't mean you ignore their contributions when they actually are here

and mala's posts when she does post are really bad

early on they're alright, but these are pretty fucking wolfy, especially in context:

Hm

setup speculation on page7 is a new one

Never seen that before

Ah I see. At first I thought the 'hm' was a catchup marker (for want of a better term, basically a post someone makes to let people know that they're catching up/to mark their place in the thread) but she never actually made any catchup posts afterwards. Problem is, she apparently has a very time-consuming job so we can't expect her to be online regularly.

#156 is very interesting in italics though. It doesn't really add anything, all she's saying there is that she agrees with page-7-setup-spec being a 'new' thing.

how do you feel about policy lynching Mala, she doesn't post much so getting a flip will give us some info, makes the average activity of the game increase which is good and given the severe amount of lurking (IRL busy person acknowledged) means there is a chance we get lucky and hit scum

[profii]

pedit: If we're gonna have a policy lynch at all, I'd much rather it be on Sad Sheep. No offence intended, but I can't stand that slot at all.

you really don't want mala lynched

[profii]

I’m not seriously proposing a PL on Mala

Egix was giving me a weird vibe that he just does not want mala lynched so I was testing that out

There are better lynches

[profii]

I’m not seriously proposing a PL on Mala

Egix was giving me a weird vibe that he just does not want mala lynched so I was testing that out

There are better lynches

okay this makes me feel better

while i was away from the thread i realized that you proposing a policy lynch like that rather than just an actual lynch was actually some massive TMI

i was really prepared to come back swinging

Lols well you’re town

[profii]

alright idk if someone told you about what i said in scumchat or something but you're towning it up a lot more than before

could you take a look at spring's slot and let me know what you think? i think there's decent odd's he's wolf here

I hope not, I spent a lot of time waxing philosophic to the boy hoping he'd be useful, maybe learn a thing or two

This is gross

Like oops I posted in the wrong thread gross

[profii]

I'm just going to put this out there, granted this happened almost 9 years ago, but I looked a little into lol's meta as slaxx and here is an interesting post I found.
Note the linked post is a game where lol (slaxx) subbed into a scum slot and his opening post is very similar to his opening post in this game with a full reads list.

viewtopic.php?p=2057883#p2057883

how many games did you check
of which how many were T/S
of the S how many did/didn't have this catchup style post
of the T how many did/didn't have this catchup style post

right now I'm like great a 9 year old post, but need more of a sample size to really consider your point

[profii]

alright idk if someone told you about what i said in scumchat or something but you're towning it up a lot more than before

could you take a look at spring's slot and let me know what you think? i think there's decent odd's he's wolf here

I hope not, I spent a lot of time waxing philosophic to the boy hoping he'd be useful, maybe learn a thing or two

This is gross

Like oops I posted in the wrong thread gross

Call me naive, but I think you're taking that exchange a little too seriously. In my previous game with Ruby, they sarcastically joked that they were a goon at one point (their actual role in that game was Town Cop) so I'd say #333 is NAI.

As for #335 I think it' just Elbirn going along with the joke.

yeah I mis read ruby's post the first time round - didn't realise he was joking that he was in the scum chat, so when I read it, elbirn just looked like he was randomly jumping in to carry on a conversation from somewhere else... ignore me

[profii]

Still need to work through some ISO’s but for now I still want profli lynched.

VOTE: profli

Mala is a good lynch also.

Ruby and lol read town today me. The rest idk yet.

The longer you push me for the simple reason of different meta the more I will think you are scum clinging on to one 'legitimate' read that you are 'getting away with'

Mainly because I don't know Lolwagon, but they summed it up perfectly here in 245

profii
Post 19 I like the early aggression here. Nice attempt to leave RVS quicker.

I was aggressive to get us out of RVS and actually play the game - if you meta dive me properly I think you will find examples of that.

[profii]

Still need to work through some ISO’s but for now I still want profli lynched.

VOTE: profli

Mala is a good lynch also.

Ruby and lol read town today me. The rest idk yet.

The longer you push me for the simple reason of different meta the more I will think you are scum clinging on to one 'legitimate' read that you are 'getting away with'

Mainly because I don't know Lolwagon, but they summed it up perfectly here in 245

profii
Post 19 I like the early aggression here. Nice attempt to leave RVS quicker.

I was aggressive to get us out of RVS and actually play the game - if you meta dive me properly I think you will find examples of that.

Do you have any actual reasoning for thinking hes scummy or are you just being passive aggressive?

Doughboys liable to tunnel / a playstyle that appears unreasonable

The reason I said the longer it goes on makes me scum read him more because - fine - within your first few posts to say “I’ve noticed profii was more aggressive which isn’t his meta so perhaps it’s scum” is legit

15 pages on to offer nothing further on the case is questionable

If it carries on it becomes meta manipulation - eg my difficult behaviour/ tunnel is how I play it’s not scummy - actually it potentially becomes scum acting up to their known clear meta

It’s a weak case but that’s why the longer doughboy doesn’t do anything else the more of a risk he becomes


Tell me if that doesn’t make sense

[profii]

my concern with profii (if of any interest) is that other than that attempt to get out of rvs, there's been not much content in scum hunting and too much content in defending himself for a modicum of pressure. the only hunting the the read list, which is lazy and generic.

Nothing’s put me off BEF and the difficulty we are getting people on that wagon makes me think we are in the right place

[profii]

Dr do little and doughboy come in and shade me then both vote Trivium

Looks like they are trying to start a counter wagon to me

[profii]

If you are insisting I’m paranoid why is that a scum tell

Surely that’s a sign I don’t have TMI

What you are pushing doesn’t add up here

[profii]

Dr do little and doughboy come in and shade me then both vote Trivium

Looks like they are trying to start a counter wagon to me

What would be gained from starting a counter wagon to you? I'm really not sure what you're trying to imply, if you're town then there cant really be a nefarious agenda to forming a counter wagon, scum would just let your mislynch happen.

Not quite

BEF is one of the top wagons - I’m happy he’s scummy and I said recently no ones convinced me otherwise.

Doughboy tried to shade me with DDL - to get people away from BEF - didn’t take off
Then they both vote Trivium - again to get people off BEF

It’s about saving BEF

[profii]

He's flailing, I just dont know what if anything to make of it

Profi/doolittle/trivium

I'm feeling a lynch in those three

I literally have no votes on me - but I’m flailing?

According to DDL - I’m not scumhunting - however, I’m pushing BEF and pointing out the counterwagon is trying to happen


Now you are also needlessly shading me - so now things get complicated - without setup specing too much, I work on 13p = 3 scum until something happens to say otherwise - so it can’t be BEF / DDL / Dough / you


So whilst this is all pre conf bias let’s reasses what’s happening

As you say - scum would let a mislynch happen - there is obvious resistance to me turning up and saying “I’ll stick on BEF” and BEF has gone suspiciously quiet. Check.

You and DDL and chucking shade around - this is a problem

Doughboy - I’ve seen get stuck in tunnels before so he is like the lowest priority here


I’d be amazed if there was one scum in you 3. There is a minor chance that whoever the scum is here is actually trying to counterwagon from Lolwagon but he looks towny enough to me but I doubt it


I’m pretty chill so id say this isn’t flailing at all and I’m just trying to make sure scum don’t take over and send us down a mislynch path

[profii]

As you say - scum would let a mislynch happen - there is obvious resistance to me turning up and saying “I’ll stick on BEF” and BEF has gone suspiciously quiet. Check.

I've gone quiet? What about your boy lolwagons? Why is my silence scum and his is acceptable when he has been gone far longer than me.

Lol was doing stuff when he was here

Eg you linked a 9 year old post after his last post - sure - but I asked you about your sample size and you ignored that so basically it comes across like you found 1 old post to discredit him generally rather than scum-casing him in _this_ game

[profii]

Pushing a counter wagon is not a scum tell. If scum were always so transparent then town would never win.
That being said, DDL and Dough could be scum but not for starting a counter wagon. With this logic I could also argue that you are trying to "save" either trivium or lolwagons by pushing a counter wagon on me.

I'm find it's strange that profii thinks he has the game already solved so early and this could be interpreted as scummy but I still don't put him as my top SR, maybe 2nd or 3rd.

I think there will be minimum 1 scum in {BEF / DDL / Elbirn / Dough} and that list is probably in order I’d prefer to lynch and find out

My point is - why don’t you use some logic to push those 2nd/3rd reads so we can see where you’re at

[profii]

it was never about changing a counter wagon for me......

it was

"shit guys, people are on BEF, let's try to get them on to profii, nope that's not working, well lets have a go at Trivium then"

[profii]

creating* not changin :@

[profii]

I think BEF is scum
I think Doughboy is liable to tunneling and may be scum or may be just getting swept up in his scum read on me and scum are using that to their advantage.
if BEF flips scum DDL is highly likely to be scum as well - it would not surprise me.
Elbirn is entering the mix in a weird way so I'm watching carefully

I've struck a nerve in there somewhere -there will be scum in that pool for sure

[profii]

Eh you are right you didn’t shade me

376 from DDL was bad so when you both pushed Trivium I figured you were both trying to move people off BEF

Interesting that you posted 413/414 - my feedback to you would be that you showed no interest in working with anyone that disagreed with you in that game and you were a massive toxic influence to the game

I’m happy to listen to any case on any player in this game but eg your case on me is “profii has slightly different meta here” (which you would be able to actually find if you want to go through my previous games but never mind)


So either you are scum or you are being your usual tunnely self and scum will manipulate it for their gain

[profii]

I think there will be minimum 1 scum in {BEF / DDL / Elbirn / Dough} and that list is probably in order I’d prefer to lynch and find out

Congratulations. anyine can name 4 people and probably have one scum in that list. You don’t have good reasons to suspect these people though. You think I’m scum because I think you’re scum. Actually aside from bef, your other 3 are omgus. Get lost

This is bad shading - just totally dismissing my reasons

[profii]

I'm find it's strange that profii thinks he has the game already solved so early and this could be interpreted as scummy but I still don't put him as my top SR, maybe 2nd or 3rd.

Since I was falsely accused of trying to shade profli, I may as well actually shade him.

Profli is a Horrible mafia player when town. Nobody should trust his opinions. Go look at the last game we played for evidence of that. Easily top 3 worst players of that game.

And this is just insulting which verifies my point that you are a toxic influence on games scum or town

[profii]

Jfc profii if you think you found the entire scum team by page 18 based on this interaction, you're delusional

If you’d care to read my posts you’d see I’ve progressed my theory -

Doughboy is liable to tunnelling - scum probably just sheep this because it serves their win con, makes him town

We’ve since seen that Elbirn misread my post - fine

That leaves you, who seems to be ignoring parts of my posts to suit your agenda/ discredit my ideas- what do we call that now? Oh yeah, shading - as I said I expect you and BEF to flip scum, that’s not the whole team


I don’t really enjoy the game when it becomes tit for tat arguing like this so I’m just gonna chill out for a bit and post more tomorrow

[profii]

that leaves us with less than 24 hours to settle on a lynch

didnt realise that -I mean I really want to get BEF to at least claim point. I would definitely lynch DDL as well.

There are a few other compromisey sort of slots I've got in mind but I can't see past BEF and DDL at this point

[profii]

He hasn't still provided any analysis on anyone but himself, with the exception of that "tex's silence is starting to look bad" and idea that apparently you scumread me for, but he didn't push it- I did because I wanted more from tex, and because I thought from the few posts he had that he very well could be scum. All of his votes have been on wagons that were already being pushed by other people; whether that be through votes or conversation focuses. I agree with profli, either you can't stop tunneling to the point you're useless, or you're scum trying to move a lynch away from your buddy.

lol's silence is starting to look bad...

In regards to the profii v dough, I think they are continuing a fight from another game. It hard to tell if they are disagreeing with each other just out of spite. I want to say profii is the scum of the two but I'm trying to be objective and not just OMGUS this time so I won't place my vote on profii until lolwagons comes back. But honestly I don't know if anything can make me pull my vote from lol at this point.

doughboy had a legit point on me that in our 1 game together I did not aggressively challenge some random point to get the game out of RVS & I was town in that game.

Since then, it transpires he has not been forthcoming with anything else about my play in this game


therefore, as per my challenge to your 9 year old Lol quote - I dont think his sample size is telling at all (especially as I have been assertive in other games that he has not participated in) - so this reaffirms my point that doughboy is liable to tunnels which scum will utilise

so overall i town read doughboy right now however if he doesn't come up with some reasons to continuously scum read me, he _could_ be using his distinct playstyle to manipulate meta and appear tunnelly town as a scum but i dont credit him with that ability tbh

[profii]

and to try and be as succinct as possible regarding BEF.

his ISO features a lot of talk about the Tex/Lol slot, the indecision over voting there appears like someone who has TMI - wants to be voting there, but knows it will be a mislynch so needs to find an 'excuse' to be on the wagon if the flip actually happens - up until very near the end of the ISO, there is very little else about other slots, which IME is something i have caught scum doing - they tend to just pick on a player they think they can get a mislynch on, rather than assessing the entire town as a whole and saying "I like X Y & Z because... and I dont like A B and C because...."

[profii]

The move on and off of Tex is just something I can't look past.

That would make Tex the planned mislynch and BEF doesn't want to be caught on wagon. That being said, Trivium is hard pushing Tex but I think it was 196 which looked like someone finding genuine reasons rather than fabricating an excuse to vote so TR there too.

Now I understand why. This is weak sauce.

If you could share your super strong reads and convince everyone maybe we can get a lynch going

[profii]

wtf

[profii]

nah he can just be copped tonight, mala can be vigged if she doesnt post/get replaced etc.

lets stick on BEF

[profii]

he's pretty much universally acknowledged as an easy target to push on, and we still are having trouble getting votes on him.

this is so so pertinent to what is happening right now

[profii]

super difficult obviously scummy person was near impossible so maybe in the olden days this was reliable. It’s not anymore

Lol, actually, the crimson lynch in the game we played together is a perfect example of a day 1 lynch which was really tough to get through.

sigh

[profii]

What great reasons are you are expecting to pop up and direct us to scum on day 1 then?

[profii]

This profii/doughboy thing reads like town vs town and they just hate each other from another game.

That’s not true. At least not from me. I only hate like 3/4 people on this site and he’s not one of them. I’m just familiar with his play and his play this game is completely different imo.

What read did you have on him day 1 in that game?

Doughboy can you answer this

My read on him was he was trolling and I wanted the PL him. See he was actually one of the toxic players in that game. He faked a post restriction and did absolutely nothing to help town. He’s got other games where he is useless as town. Here he’s actually trying to be helpful and appear townie which is different than what I’ve seen from him (meta) and is even say it’s lamist. The easiest way for cheap town cred is that end rvs and every mafia player knows that. The fact he tried to take credit for it earlier hurts him.

There are no examples of anything here - this is all just shade

But to go into the one event you did reference

Sure, I did fake a post restriction to see what happened, I found 2 words was too restrictive so I pulled out, but also tried Haikus in the next game to give myself some flexibility- I like to try and improve things all the time so your meta argument is lovely but too simplistic

I also like to try things and if they don’t work- shame but I’m not scared of trying - go look at one of my early games where I self voted in RVS, just so I could see what would happen, it didn’t work out well, so guess how many times I did that again? Never


You are taking a really simple approach to sorting me - my fear is that you are setting the burden of proficiency very high for day 1 and expecting everyone else to catch scum - which is a) unlikely if no one really scums it up early doors and b) seemingly not a standard you hold yourself too

But you are happy to mud sling at me for not being able to catch scum, yet no one else is coming through with a case so I don’t know what you expect here

[profii]

Under 24 hours and no one is posting :-/

[profii]

who should we lynch ChibiBear

OwO

[profii]

I’m not asking for one from you. You’re confirmed scum. I’m asking your most likely scum buddy profli to provide something more than the nonsense he posted when he voted. That was worse of a reason than what he says is so bad about my reasons for scum reading him.

Meta > he hopped off a mislynch so he’s probably scum.

Scum want to mislynch. They don’t hop off mislynches.

You both make sense as scum. If you both are town you and mr “I’m scum” all are killing our chances of winning this game.

No dude, I'm town and you are going to kill our chance of winning this game if you don't vote for the obvious scum. You just said that I didn't respond to you, I posted my response, and you said you didn't want to hear me respond to you. Fuck that. You want to vote for me while I'm town and tell me I'm the reason town is going to lose even if I was town? Why are you even considering the idea that I might be town in the first place?

VOTE: Doughboy

me and doughboy are going to get left alive to bicker by scum - if any investigation dudes are listening - start by sorting us!

On that basis, anything against a BEF lynch?

[profii]

The point is scum want that to happen - so that’s ~3 people who aren’t going to wagon with you. Assuming he’s town for today

[profii]

BEF is better and I’ll go straight back on if it looks like more viable but it’s woeth seeing if it will happen. lolws-get on it

VOTE: doughboy

[profii]

Further to Triviums point it’s been bugging me that Doughboys case on me is profii s play is not his town meta

But he has never gone as far as “here is an example of his scum meta that his play matches”

Which is making me think he is policy lynching instead of scum hunting by trying to remove what he perceives as weak town


BEF is still better as it tells us about DDL Imo but Dough is a fine lynch as he has distinct meta that’s hard to really parse properly

[profii]

We need these people to show up

Trivium (3): Egix96, Doughboy, DrDolittle
LolWagons (2): BrightEyedFish, Sad Sheep
Ruby Red (1): Malakitty
Springtrap (1): Ruby Red

Not Voting (1): Springtrap

And decide what they are doing


If any of them turn up and go BEF over Dough - I’m around the whole time to deadline, I’ll go back

[profii]

VOTE: BEF

[profii]

L-1

[profii]

Oh page top... L-1 on BEF

[profii]

Fucking hell.

1. Its 13
2. We can't confirm it. The way to confirm it would be to have him protect a possible NK or jail a possible mafia but we obviously can't discuss that, because obviously mafia would choose a different person to carry out the kill and a different target. If we decide to believe the claim then we have to trust him to make a good decision.

Did you breadcrumb at all BEF?

Does anyone in their right mind think that this post comes from town?

See this is another reason why I SR lol.

Did you breadcrumb?

[profii]

Why would a ‘15 player need to read the wiki about the JK role ?

[profii]

VOTE: DrDoLittle

[profii]

VOTE: DrDoLittle

[profii]

Yeah... wanted someone to fake hammer for reactions

[profii]

it bugs me that neither of you claim any modifiers

[profii]

Didn’t ask you to, just said it bugs me

[profii]

Ps if you are a vig you should shoot someone like mala if you want/have to shoot n1...

Surely you can talk the town into lynching us active players as we will in your mind give ourselves away

That or you are going to claim the JK stopped the “scum kill” and frame someone after removing one of your biggest opposers

[profii]

dang lolwagons is town. it would be pretty easy and justifiable for him to hammer me rn without any repercussions.

If you’re scum and the vig says he is going to shoot town, then you try and lynch elsewhere

That makes lolwagon scum

[profii]

No, the right play here is to leave him alive Profii. He can potentially be a verified clear. Scum has to have a roleblocker to obsfucate his claim. If they don’t he either soaks up a night kill or he’s verified tomorrow.

Why not just a JK and we go back to BEF - you are right tho he can be verified

[profii]

VOTE: BEF

[profii]

that’s kinda why I’ve gone for the harder to verify one:-/

[profii]

Yeah I dunno which is optimal either.

Kinda wanna policy lynch someone like mala and see if either of them die but that’s just random

[profii]

like i'm willing to lynch outside of the claims just to get rid of people we need to get rid of

but imo there's a wolf 100% of the time in that group

This page is a good summary of where I’m at. Idk where I wanna vote

[profii]

hardly anyone is pushing me and I know I’m a player that scum would keep to LyLo

So why don’t we lynch BEF and tell DDL to shoot me - gives DDL an inno, forces doughboy to get overhimself and scum read some people properly which may just out him

That feels like a good play overall

[profii]

Or if they are pushing me because I’m wrong a a compromise lynch/policy would be better because that would make BEF lynch bait as you say

[profii]

I mean I’m pushing BEF so if I’m wrong then he’s probably town

[profii]

you're also putting too much weight into recent events and into yourself

you were getting wagoned earlier in the game

Idk there were some people who took exception to me but I didn’t think it ever got to a serious point - there was always a contingent Of people tr’ing me

[profii]

you're assuming that DDL is telling the truth

Even if he is not it ties his kill to me I guess and then other PRs will start revealing things - it seemed like a good plan when I came up with it

[profii]

I mean I’m pushing BEF so if I’m wrong then he’s probably town

yeah...? what?

obviously if you're wrong on someone you're pushing as scum then they're town.

you're also putting too much weight into recent events and into yourself

you were getting wagoned earlier in the game

Idk there were some people who took exception to me but I didn’t think it ever got to a serious point - there was always a contingent Of people tr’ing me

what's your point?

My point is I usually get pushed to point of claim in every game I play so I am surmising the reason I’m not being pushed that way is all the scum people are going “let’s say profii is town because he is pushing mislynches for us “

Which is why I think maybe I am just way off mark on BEF/DDL

I’m wifoming myself basically

[profii]

do you want to lynch outside of those two? who are you thinking?

i'd vote springtrap with you

Kinda lost confidence in my reads so idk. Like mala seems the sensible policy lynch but DDL/BEF seem like the risk/reward option

I’m probably going to sheep and not lead this one coz I’ve no idea

[profii]

Ruby was hard defending BEF

Doughboy chainsaw defending BEF by attacking people pushing BEF

In my notes I gave Egix the benefit of doubt but he concerns me - I have not considered Trivium


Was hoping DDL wouldn shoot in RR or Dough - I’ll vote either today but I’ll let them present a defence before I do

[profii]

- Elbirn is likely town because of the hammer, I don't think scum!Elb hammers his own buddy unless he's super sure that he can carry

the only caveat I'd put to that is we were heading towards not lynching at all yesterday and we lynched a goon not a PR, which scum will have been aware of.
So whilst there are way better people to pressure right now, I'm not writing off Elbirn just yet

[profii]

Trivium (4) - BrightEyedFish, Doughboy, Egix96, PenguinPower
TexdoesHalo (2) - Trivium, profii
profii (2) - Springtrap, TexdoesHalo
DrDolittle (1) - Elbirn
PenguinPower (1) - Malakitty
Egix96 (1) - DrDolittle
BrightEyedFish (1) - ceejayvinoya

Not Voting (1): Sad Sheep


This to me says there is at most, 1 scum in dough/red (and Egix if we are being thorough) - I don't think the entire scum team sits on Trivium.
note to self - it would be useful to get some context around why that votecount exists and find out why we are looking at 2 scums being on 1 wagon with no other wagons being present - did another wagon just die etc?

I was reallllllly hoping DDL would have shot Red or Dough but hey ho

[profii]

where have I said that? Because I am not

[profii]

where have I said that? Because I am not

In 724 it seemed like you were making that assumption.

Nah, like my priority is to look at Dough and RR for reason I've mentioned, so I've not really looked at anything else properly yet

So, on the logic that those 2 slots have done something scummy, lets theorise they could BOTH be scum, that would mean, that vote count I mentioned would look like this:

Trivium (4) -

BrightEyedFish

,

Doughboy

, Egix96,

PenguinPower (Ruby Red)

I just don't see all 3 scum on 1 wagon, so my theory is adjust that despite RR and Doughboy doing things that, upon flip, appear scummy, there is unlikely to be 2 scum there.

That means there is 1 scum somewhere else - It could as easily be Triv as anyone else, as I say, I've not done my homework yet.

[profii]

I think we should go for Ruby Red and call a spade a spade

VOTE: Ruby Red

[profii]

But I am a terrible mafia player so don't worry about me

[profii]

I say we should either lynch Ruby Red or Elbirn today

They were the biggest anti BEF players when it came down to DDL vs BEF after the 2 claims.

596 - from elbirn - factor in he was 2nd on DDL after Egix went in his own direction - gives people somewhere to go after a JK claim
Or
600 - from Ruby Red - and the next few posts scream TMI when you read back in context of the flip.

[profii]

Elbirn you're really staking a lot on lolwagons being town. At this point I agree it's very likely but if lol is scum most of what you said falls apart.

Read back through how we got to the BEF claim, then the DDL counter wagon/claim then back to the BEF Lynch - Lol was either mad bussing on day 1 or he is a glorious beacon of town. He could of actually hammered DDL with no issue - removing a vig which is a big scum risk and didnt. He is basically the night kill tonight because he is lock town.

if you are town and not sure about why LOL is town - read the bit I have just mentioned, come back and ask us about anything you are not sure about and we can explain it - you need to be onboard with LOL town because we need to work together and it's a dead cert.

[profii]

But I am a terrible mafia player so don't worry about me

Hey, if you've won at least one game, you're already better than me
You saying "don't worry about me" does give me bad vibes though, because it gives me the impression that you don't want to be held responsible for your actions.

I want doughboy to not worry about me because i dont know why he is a point of conflict so much but id rather the distraction wasnt there as everyone has to read it and sort through it before they can actually focus on what they need to

[profii]

Elbirn you're really staking a lot on lolwagons being town. At this point I agree it's very likely but if lol is scum most of what you said falls apart.

Read back through how we got to the BEF claim, then the DDL counter wagon/claim then back to the BEF Lynch - Lol was either mad bussing on day 1 or he is a glorious beacon of town. He could of actually hammered DDL with no issue - removing a vig which is a big scum risk and didnt. He is basically the night kill tonight because he is lock town.

if you are town and not sure about why LOL is town - read the bit I have just mentioned, come back and ask us about anything you are not sure about and we can explain it - you need to be onboard with LOL town because we need to work together and it's a dead cert.

Where is my apology?

no one is apologising to you until you admit your BEF read was way off the mark and you are a terrible player

[profii]

I’ll just add that the bolder part isn’t what bothers me, it’s the

“I’m sure there’s scum here” then “I’m willing to lynch outside the group”

Like, if you know there’s scum there, why would you not take the 50/50... or possibly even 100 if they both are.

This is part of why red has to go

But do me a favour please - read day 1 where the BEF wagon forms, then goes DDL, then goes back to BEF lynch

Elbirn does a more subtle version of the same thing imo - if doughboy is right and says no way scum super hard defend then Elbirn fits the category of subtle defend?

Do you see it?

[profii]

I think doughboys gonna get banned sooner or later

You can’t refer to people as fucking liar for toooo long

[profii]

The more abusive doughboy gets the more I town read him

I think he is so frustrated that he is sabotaging the game on purpose - you essentially can’t do that as scum so he is going all out haha

[profii]

[profii]

What if you are unintentionally pissing off all the players


Hmmmmm

[profii]

Trivium pushed BEF hard and continued to do so when he had the chance to move away when wifom crept in. I don’t understand why he’s scummy

[profii]

I think we should go for Ruby Red and call a spade a spade

VOTE: Ruby Red

Besides the “hard defending “ which his iso doesn’t support.

Why else are you voting him?

What does “which his ISO doesn’t support” mean?

Are you saying you don’t think RR defended BEF

Let me rephrase - RR was strongly against a BEF lynch at every oppurtunity

*phone posting - off to fetch quotes*

[profii]

VOTE COUNT 1.11

BrightEyedFish

(7): ceejayvinoya, LolWagons, profii, Springtrap, DrDolittle, Trivium, Elbirn

LYNCH

DrDolittle

(3): Egix96, BrightEyedFish, Ruby Red

Ruby Red

(1): Malakitty

LolWagons

(1): Sad Sheep

Trivium

(1): Doughboy

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.


Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2018-12-04 00:00:00)

You’ll need to spell out with quotes how he hopped off

[profii]

imo one of these claims has to be fake and tbh i'm inclined to say its the vig claim more than the jk claim

vig claim gets left alive because it theoretically confirms itself as town but it's pretty easy to just say that you got roleblocked or some shit

people will lynch a JK claim regardless

directing people to DDL

like i'm willing to lynch outside of the claims just to get rid of people we need to get rid of

but imo there's a wolf 100% of the time in that group

directing people away from both PRs, which obviously saves BEF

i'll be around for a while

i think this is highest wolf equity and my preferred lynch

VOTE: DDL

again directing people to DDL over BEF


That’s one quick example!

[profii]

Phone posting this is hard...

196 imo this is genuine given it was post 196 and there isn’t that much to go off

Alright, woke up today feeling refreshed. Read over 245 a few times, and I have to say it does wonders for tex's slot. Looks like genuine town analysis to me, which is really what I wanted VOTE: BrightEyedFish

LOL then Townes it right up and Trivium is straight on BEF who was the most scummy

zzz someone come talk to me

Hewwo
Why do you think Mala is probwolf?

just because someone's lurking doesn't mean you ignore their contributions when they actually are here

and mala's posts when she does post are really bad

early on they're alright, but these are pretty fucking wolfy, especially in context:

Hm

setup speculation on page7 is a new one

Never seen that before

Ah I see. At first I thought the 'hm' was a catchup marker (for want of a better term, basically a post someone makes to let people know that they're catching up/to mark their place in the thread) but she never actually made any catchup posts afterwards. Problem is, she apparently has a very time-consuming job so we can't expect her to be online regularly.

#156 is very interesting in italics though. It doesn't really add anything, all she's saying there is that she agrees with page-7-setup-spec being a 'new' thing.

how do you feel about policy lynching Mala, she doesn't post much so getting a flip will give us some info, makes the average activity of the game increase which is good and given the severe amount of lurking (IRL busy person acknowledged) means there is a chance we get lucky and hit scum

Uhhh no. She doesn't post much so lynching her would give us zero information, and there are waaay better lynches out there.

i inadvertently practically say “hey look this wagon has stalled and let’s all go for a sensible policy lynch to get the job done” - surely bussing scum can say “well yeah actually we need to lynch otherwise no scum are gonna die” etc but no Trivium sticks with bef

You and Sheep however focused more on the absence itself and didn’t focus much on the rest of the game

If I read your post right, you are voting me because someone else didn't answer my question... Why not vote the person dodging the question if it's that important to you?

and/or

you are voting me for focusing a few posts on a flaking slot? Was I the onl one doing this? Why not give the same suspicion to others talking about it or one's that were actually voting on the wagon.

I guess the vibes people got from tex may have been warranted.

VOTE: LolWagons

I agree
VOTE: LolWagons

Hey vote for brighteyed instead okay

Gahhh you seem too confident that BEF is scum and I'm starting to think maybe, just maybe you're bussing or worse I could be wrong about bef, especially because I think sheep also looks scummy but they're voting you so ehh. I'm going to read through this game again sometime tomorrow, this is complicated.

Everyone and their moms can make a push on BEF. You making a slight jab there does not make you scum hunting

Why can everyone and their moms make a push on bef? Could it be because he's acting scummy?

That's not trying to find scum. It's contradictory in a scummy way

That's a I'm going to sheep my town read for a wagon but I'm sleeping with reservations.

No, that's a I'm going to sheep a town wagon and have reservations so when he flips I can say I didn't mean it

Everyone and their moms can make a push on BEF. You making a slight jab there does not make you scum hunting

Why can everyone and their moms make a push on bef? Could it be because he's acting scummy?

Shit town says: Episode 2.

Honestly. At this point I'm just about ready to vote DDL, who is obviously taking advantage of doughboy, though I'd rather see BEF gone first.

I’m not asking for one from you. You’re confirmed scum. I’m asking your most likely scum buddy profli to provide something more than the nonsense he posted when he voted. That was worse of a reason than what he says is so bad about my reasons for scum reading him.

Meta > he hopped off a mislynch so he’s probably scum.

Scum want to mislynch. They don’t hop off mislynches.

You both make sense as scum. If you both are town you and mr “I’m scum” all are killing our chances of winning this game.

No dude, I'm town and you are going to kill our chance of winning this game if you don't vote for the obvious scum. You just said that I didn't respond to you, I posted my response, and you said you didn't want to hear me respond to you. Fuck that. You want to vote for me while I'm town and tell me I'm the reason town is going to lose even if I was town? Why are you even considering the idea that I might be town in the first place?

VOTE: Doughboy

Uggghhhhhh fine but I want a doughboy vote tomorrow if he keeps this up

VOTE: BEF

Yeaah that makes sense then

VOTE: Doughboy

Are you with me egix?

Doughboy is town and trivium pushing him is dumb, lolwagon is town and pushing him is dumb

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DrDooLittle

Let's make this happen, I dont know whether or not to believe BEF claim but I'm tired of seeing "I'll vote DDL if possible" but nobody does. Swing this wagon here, I'm really feeling this is the play and I'm gonna be really upset if we no lynch because some people are getting bigmad over vanity wagons on town

No yeah I get it. I just got kinda pissed off with doughboy, probably won't play any more games with him in them, yaddayadda. But I'll VOTE: DoctorDoLittle

VOTE: DrDoLittle

Profli you already voted for DDL

Ok I give up with trying to parse that on my phone - the point is, everyone wobbled after the claims, Triv has multiple oppurtunity to go with DDL or you and be difficult but he always returns to BEF

I can’t see that as a bus at all

[profii]

Let me rephrase - RR was strongly against a BEF lynch at every oppurtunity

*phone posting - off to fetch quotes*

Let’s stick to the point rather than debate terminology

Being against a lynch is defending your team mate - if you don’t agree that’s fine but you get the point I’m sure

[profii]

You’ll need to spell out with quotes how he hopped off

I did already. I showed when he hopped off and how he hopped back on. It doesn’t look like a person who was hard pushing a lynch.

Why was he on BEF come hammer

Why would you put your Pal at L-1 if you found a reason to be elsewhere

[profii]

Let me rephrase - RR was strongly against a BEF lynch at every oppurtunity

*phone posting - off to fetch quotes*

Let’s stick to the point rather than debate terminology

Being against a lynch is defending your team mate - if you don’t agree that’s fine but you get the point I’m sure

It’s also preferring the lynch of somebody else which town do all the time. There is no way you think that it’s only one sided.

absolutley correct - I am saying 2 people behaved in this way, so the logical thing to do is lynch at least 1 - I don’t think they will be both wrong townies

I say we should either lynch Ruby Red or Elbirn today

They were the biggest anti BEF players when it came down to DDL vs BEF after the 2 claims.

596 - from elbirn - factor in he was 2nd on DDL after Egix went in his own direction - gives people somewhere to go after a JK claim
Or
600 - from Ruby Red - and the next few posts scream TMI when you read back in context of the flip.

[profii]

I covered all this.

Attention started forming on somebody else, he hopped off. Attention goes back, he follows the crowd.

So you think he is buying town cred on day 1

Why not legit use the reasons to push other votes and take your whole team into day 2

[profii]

I covered all this.

Attention started forming on somebody else, he hopped off. Attention goes back, he follows the crowd.

So you think he is buying town cred on day 1

Why not legit use the reasons to push other votes and take your whole team into day 2

Especially with a vig aiming at town you are looking at (probably) 7v3 today rather than 8v2


You only need 1 mislynch and you are down to 5v3 - if you are really lucky the vigs daft and lylo

[profii]

He could easily have said what RR said and sheeped him that a vig lynch was better than a JK lynch

[profii]

I’ll be there as soon as RR has been on to explain yesterday

[profii]

Doughboy is town and trivium pushing him is dumb, lolwagon is town and pushing him is dumb

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DrDooLittle

Let's make this happen, I dont know whether or not to believe BEF claim but I'm tired of seeing "I'll vote DDL if possible" but nobody does. Swing this wagon here, I'm really feeling this is the play and I'm gonna be really upset if we no lynch because some people are getting bigmad over vanity wagons on town

No yeah I get it. I just got kinda pissed off with doughboy, probably won't play any more games with him in them, yaddayadda. But I'll VOTE: DoctorDoLittle

I'll be okay with a ddl or a bef lunch today so long as we don't no lynch. Consider this a real hammer threat after elbirn bef

Trivium, go for BEF. We have the votes for that among our active people here now.

VOTE: BEF

Egix, I think you are picking up half a story when it comes to Trivium:

568 - his desire to lynch doughboy was driven by rage - which imo, is understandable, I'll say no more.
667 - further to the above actually (sorry I'm saying more) the desire to find a lynch and focus on the realistic targets rather than distract us with doughboy is towny
671 - was soon after 667 and demonstrates it didn't exactly take much arm twisting to get Trivium to get on the BEF wagon - noting he puts a scum player at L-1 which is high risk of losing your pal if you are scum.


To be clear, there is 0% chance of me even pressure voting Triv today, let alone attempting to lynch. I am tripling down on my town read here.

[profii]

I heard a rumour Triv is town, ok?

[profii]

I know the night probably resets stuff but Ruby Red seems to be AWOL

It’s late my time and he is due a prod by the time I get up but hopefully he just resurfaces. I really really don’t want to see a replace out before he explains yesterday

[profii]

I heard a rumour Triv is town, ok?

Because this doesn’t feel sketchy at all

Think of it like insider trading - put your life savings on Town!triv

[profii]

You got Triv as town, LolW?

[profii]

All in favour of saving the mod a job say aye... I mean say Vote:

:X

[profii]

The problem I can see is Ruby replaces out and the next player comes in and is all like “idk why we defended BEaf so hard” - if that happens we should lynch with fire

FIRE!

[profii]

RR can’t claim JK because if you are JK you don’t defend a fake JK claim like that

If you are legit a PR in a day 1 scum lynch game, so you really go awol? That would also take some explaining tbh - in fact seeing as intent is there - if you claim something > VT, why you leave us without those tasty breadcrumbs RR?


So I’m still happy to wait but if this gets to replace out stage I say we do the mod a favour and just hammer

[profii]

If RR flips red, I think the PRs should focus off wagon - probably just go Mala to make life easier

If town, on wagon...

Whilst the case on RR was suuuupeer compelling if that’s a mislynch, scum encouraged it. Probably go Elbirn

[profii]

I just rushed that in case thread lock lol it’s just a slot that we will struggle to sort so

But there is a whole night phase to consider and I’m assuming the PR is some cop variant

[profii]

wow, I dont think I've ever won a game so quick but I dont think that is a discredit to the scum game at all and I would say the "score" does not reflect the ability of the scum team at all.

Personally, I generally approach day 1 not really caring who gets lynched as town, as its freaking hard to read most people with no info
As I said in the dead thread, I dont think BEF was outrageously scummy, I think he was minorly more scummy that anyone else and ultimately someone had to go - obviously if you look back at the game, you will notice I nearly wifomed myself out of that lynch, which, may have sent the game in a totally different direction.

Obviously, RR did the honourable thing and tried to defend his mate, so he was a little easier to catch.

So, I see the conversations have started about my day 2 play already, so I'll be totally honest about it and admit it was pretty much a happy accident.

I

did

try and bait the night kill, but for all the wrong reasons - if you look at 806 - Triv puts me as hard town before a player who didnt hammer scum (LOL) who was basically lock town - I thought he copped or neap'd me (etc) as if you look back in Triv's ISO, he was between me and BEF at the end of day 1, then 180 turned around by 806... I figured this was typical of night action.

Soooo my plan was to hint that we should believe what Triv was saying, plus, if i got night killed people would consider that I was just speculating so I figured the actual risk to the game was relatively low.

It became apparent that no one else had noticed so I was kinda hoping Triv would pick up on it and put his night actions at the top of his read lists for me, I would then declare the lock town people, whilst prolonging his life

some plan!

Looking back with hindsight, I can see how triv was scum, but in real time I did not spot it at all so well done to Doughboy there


Thanks as well to ChibiBear - well modded - everyone messes up VC's which is why i try to avoid providing interim ones should the mod be less attentive but otherwise everything ran super smooth


despite playing fast and loose I'm quite happy to add the win to my wiki and improve my stats by 2%

thanks again

[profii]

My best friend lost his battle to cancer and it’s been a long 2 years.

Sorry to hear that- that's tough. Hope you are ok

[profii]

sure, but I felt like I was lynching a 2 out of 10 on the scum scale whilst everyone else was nulling it up. Sometimes someone drops a clanger and you know you're chasing someone who feels 8 out of 10 scum but that was not the case in this game - had we missed BEF, we were never getting RR so quick and it's totally different game

looking forward to peeking in the scum thread though - i wonder what Triv thought I was up to

[profii]

I was surprised at 3x goon - never seen that in this site before

[profii]

Yea once the flow gets going we can turn these lynches round in like 48 hours

[profii]

you guys really wanted me dead