[Game Over] Open 743 - The Crown of Misery
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I'm blaming you for talking me into joining this game and then having the audacity to let MDS roll me town.In post 20, Auro wrote:You've not found it very difficult to townsort me in our previous (completed) games, so why the "RVS" vote on me?- DVa
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lol, wrong. Every time I join an open setup that I think is town-sided I roll scum and every time I join an open setup I think is scum-sided I roll town. It's like a meme at this point. I think feeling like I can turn a game into a win is more fun for me than "a challenge" since mafia is hard enough on its own. Even an "easy win" can feel quite challengingIn post 62, Egix96 wrote:I'm guessing that town!DVa would have appreciated the challenge of playing as town in a setup that she herself perceived to be imbalanced against that alignment. It's not a particularly strong tell, but it's a start.
Also,@mod, sorry didn't mean to cramp your style with balance discussion
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you trying to be vigbait or what?In post 131, Leodanny wrote:Okay thanks gurl- DVa
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Like, yes? But the replacement and the late joiner both have done nothing since getting here, so...In post 152, rb wrote:one is VLA, one just replaced in, one joined the game late
idk seems like a lot of people recently join games but can't post for weeks at a time due to the holidays so sorting early game stuff recently has been kinda messy- DVa
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asking the town to comment on three null slots is "dodging interacting with the game"?In post 157, rb wrote:this just looks like a way of dodging interacting with the game- DVa
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Why is NN townlean?In post 158, Dunnstral wrote:except for NotNova town leaning- DVa
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It kinda bugs me that he starts off with the "man I have a hard time sorting Auro" and then changes votes to me and says townlean on Auro with exactly 0 additional interaction. Like Auro asking a few questions does not make his alignment obvious so I kinda feel like NN's development over his whopping 3 posts actually does not look very townie- DVa
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I'd say the games he's had with Maria feel different form normal Dunn. So I wouldn't say Dunn (-Maria) reads the same as Dunn (+Maria) if he feels off tonally.In post 166, Auro wrote:Wow. Is Dunnstral usually like this?
That doesn't mean he's town or that tone doesn't matter, it just doesn't surprise me that he seems kinda more freewheeling here so far- DVa
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Auro is doing like a LOT more questions than he was like in one of our previous towngames where he was more assertive a bit early on, but that could in large part having to do with this list being... gnomic and oblique so far. So he does feel a touch more reactive here but I don't know I'd call him scum for it yet- DVa
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Still want NotNova: rb, Malakitty, YyottaCat, PersivulLamees (L-3)
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This is white knighting a slot that should by all rights be null to you and shading me for pushing a null slot that is coming back from V/LA is anti-town. Unless you are explicitly townreading NN that was a 'undead-friendly' post.In post 331, Persivul wrote:Maybe because they're on VLA...
That being said I reread your iso so I'm going back here
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So vengeful can be a survivalistic claim because it is obviously better at later phases, so if Lamees was a scum pr it could make sense. But it's also the case that going to day 2 at least will confirm that the night flip isn't a tpr and also give other roles a chance to do stuff. The problem right now is that when lamees has minimal information his chance of hitting a tpr is only marginally lower than hitting scum if he's town (either 1/12 or 2/12 vs 3/12).
I think evaluating whether Lamees is a good lynch will be easier on day 2 as well as the likelihood of his hit landing not being catastrophic- DVa
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Yeah I know I'm basically asking you to give a read of Mala since if I'm not voting you I'm voting her. Why should I be voting Mala over you, from your POV?In post 459, NotNova wrote:...not sure where you're going with this? I don't think I ever mentioned Mala in my posts.- DVa
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I'm looking for people who I see little reason to townread right now. We have a lot of annoying lynchbaity players right now so I'm more interested in players with noncommittal attitudes tbh
Not entirely sure I follow your reasoning on why you would prefer my vote to be on you if Mala is basically null to you- DVa
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why?In post 467, rb wrote:mala is a terrible lynch- DVa
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In post 470, rb wrote:also because mala's likely townfyi Voting Lamees is not a reason for Mala to be likely town
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please don't jinx it just let it happenIn post 478, Auro wrote:Also notice rb seems to have stopped the whole "wow... imo" crap after Lamees' claim- DVa
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this level of lynchbaitiness in a setup with no 3p usually comes from town is my main thought but that isn't like a strong townread and pushing him for content is probably fine, I just think he's more likely to flip town and there's scummier nullsIn post 131, Leodanny wrote:Okay thanks gurl- DVa
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That's true, but I have seen newred claim vengeful before thinking it will keep them alive through wifom.In post 509, Dunnstral wrote:It's not a well thought out fake claim because even if people believe you it gives a mechanical reason to get lynched
Also, I feel like scum more often does very early claims.
Still don't scumread Lamees, still don't want to lynch him today, but the claim was not great, and the whole thing has more left him a nully mess for me than town.- DVa
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Maybe I've played too many games with the Duck on my main and it's messing up my sense of what scum "normally" doIn post 518, Something_Smart wrote:What makes you think that?- DVa
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What meta arguments are you referring to as weird? What do you mean by "weakreading"?In post 521, bristep123 wrote:Weird meta analysis and weakreading.Last edited by MiniDeathStar on Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.- DVa
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Yes, and this would help me understand your thought process better as wellIn post 526, bristep123 wrote:I stand by it, going into detail would give you an argument to make against it.
You already gave some reasoning; it wasn't a naked vote, so why would you not flesh out your thought process more? I don't get why you'd only go halfway here lol- DVa
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So why are you acting like you're certain I'm scum? You said you had a "bad feeling" about my slot but you're unwilling to flesh out the substance of what gave you that impression. If you're trying to sort me shouldn't you actually try to have a conversation rather than saying "hmm I dub thee scum" and then hoping the town decides to agree? Because otherwise it seems like you're just testing to see if I will be an easy mislynch or voteparking somewhere you don't think you'll get backlash. I'm not seeing how an unwillingness to discuss your thought process has any town motivation if you are still uncertain as to my alignment- DVa
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why are you compromising when there's eight days left on the timer?In post 534, rb wrote:fine with this even though dunnstral is better- DVa
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So I guess this goes back to your thing all day, which is that you want to reward the lurky, non-presence players by pushing anyone who tries to interact with them?
And in the meantime, taking pressure off Dunn, when your interaction with him might have made it easier for other people in the game to read either one of you?
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You've mostly just been rude and obnoxious this game and your reads are terrible so it's not an omgus vote, you're starting to convince me you're a liability to town. I think you're likely to be a mislynch but if you keep playing like garbage then you can eat rope.
Putting 0 pressure on lurker slots and moving away from your top scumreads to join a wagon that has two lurker slots with very close to naked votes on them is basically straight playing to a scum wincon, and your condescending attitude in conjunction with your incredibly unfunny memes makes me uninterested in carrying you if you're town.
So it's not an omgus, I just have started to not care about your alignment. Stop playing to scum wincon if you're town.- DVa
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who you just fucking moved off for ???? reasonsIn post 543, rb wrote:lamees doesn't fit that criteria, and dunnstral actually is one of the lurky low-presence slots- DVa
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So far your main pushes have been on Lamees, who right now I think has a decent chance of being town, and me, who I know is town
Your push on Dunn was the only thing you had going for you and I wanted to see if anything came of it
But now you're just joining a bandwagon started from what amounts to a naked vote to move off *what you accept was your top scumread*
And you're acting like being the only one on Dunn was bad, that's what I don't get- DVa
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Like NN just came back, Yotte slot just got replaced, and you never directly interact with them about Dunn
Like, why are you not sorting them? You just ask bland general questions to the entire thread like "why isn't anyone joining me on Dunn"
Instead of asking EVERYONE that ask someone specifically for a read on Dunn
If you're trying to understand associations and thought processes you need to actually see reasoning- DVa
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It's like you're acting like if town doesn't just automatically sheep you that nothing will happen so you need to sheep... what, naked votes?In post 550, rb wrote:lol are you real
Why not actually press for reasoning from the slots who basically have said nothing until the last 24 hours?- DVa
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why would this matterIn post 554, rb wrote:um, have we played mafia together before, i don't think we have- DVa
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YESIn post 556, rb wrote:'ask the people who don't talk what they think'
Do you not fucking get that?
GET THEM
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Saying "I'm voting you because you're talking" is the stupidest fucking thing I think I've seen all day- DVa
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Dunn is also capable of doing things as scum
In fact I would say Dunn 'does stuff' more as scum than he does as town sometimes, although it also depends on the playerlist, which is precisely why seeing him interact with other people might be productive.
If you think Dunn just defaults to scum because he is not super active then you're vastly underestimating his scum range. I don't think a push there is unwarranted but you're basically saying that he's scummy for little content when slots like Mala that as far as I can tell have exclusively pushed wagons on town and done 0 sorting are town
and is bristep readable to you?- DVa
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yeah and if you're town then this is TvT and all you've done is made me annoyed at you to the point that your will have a harder time reading me because you have lost your credibilityIn post 565, rb wrote:it doesn't provide any pressure for me to sit on dunnstral if no one is going to join the wagon
switching to the wagon of another scumread because they're likely to interact is much better for the gamestate
and to that point - hey look, we just had a whole lot of interactions, and why? wow because i switched votes!
You are acting like no one was ever going to join on Dunn. Maybe you could have explained your reasoning more, asked for other people to give reads on the slot, etc. etc.
But switching to a player I know is town right after a null lurker slot comes out of the woodwork and votes me looks opportunistic and damages my read of you
it also makes it seem like you are uninterested in genuinely sorting Dunn- DVa
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You've said this multiple times and reads like nonsense every timeIn post 567, rb wrote:mala also obvtown
WHY?
I don't even know she's scum but I don't see why you're pretending she's easily readable here- DVa
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Vote me for activity then you are basically saying you're trying to piss me off, so yeah, I'm going to see your other reasoning in a negative light.
Don't want to be seen in a negative light? Give me the sense you're actually trying to sort people and not just throwing out bullshit, unsupported reads- DVa
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What if I was actually considering that before your completely shit vote on me?In post 569, rb wrote:in fact if you have such a problem with dunn, why are YOU not voting him with me?- DVa
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You decided to move off someone you said was a stronger scumread to someone who was posting more because they have the larger wagon
I can see how you think this is townie but, if I am town, you perhaps can understand it also makes you look like desperate, opportunistic scum, given the push on your own slot?
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