mini 2048: more songs (game ougre)

[LolWagons]

VOTE: LolWagons

This is our IPO. Invest in this wagon while the price is low and see its VALUE skyrocket over time!

But what if I smoke weed on a podcast with Joe Rogan?

VOTE: Trivium

Not this time, you likeable mafioso.

[LolWagons]

Sorry mod, will make note. Whoaa lapsa's in this game?
VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

hahaha reason?

VOTE: Golden Paradox

[LolWagons]

Pretty sure I played with lapsa like a few years ago, and I play so few games it's cool to see the same people again.

Was your vote serious? Mine was.

[LolWagons]

GP: Lets say Profii came in and put the wagon at L-1. What would your reads be then?

[LolWagons]

Sorry mod, will make note. Whoaa lapsa's in this game?
VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

hahaha reason?

This post makes my skin crawl.

Like it’s one vote on you and you’re already asking about it, but also the hahaha makes it seem like you’re trying to subtly downplay the vote. It’s hypervigilance of standing with the rest of the players and subtle self-image posturing you see more in mafia than town.

[LolWagons]

It's just a thing people are doing to get talking to happen.

People are just acting outside of the interest of the town (quick wagon, naked votes) to stir up conversation? To x's credit they did jump right in and ask good questions.

VOTE: Flubbernugget

Why flubbernugget and not Dough?

[LolWagons]

Can we lynch Trivium already?

Apparently not, your vote isn’t on him.

[LolWagons]

Egix has a tough meta to crack. Not going to give my read on him just yet.

Trivium reacted way better to this wagon than he did to his wagon in our last game as scum but it is an RVS wagon whereas the other one was much later in the game so it’s like half a tick mark on town.

I’ll hold off on my Profii read

[LolWagons]

It's just a thing people are doing to get talking to happen.

People are just acting outside of the interest of the town (quick wagon, naked votes) to stir up conversation? To x's credit they did jump right in and ask good questions.

VOTE: Flubbernugget

what do you think of goldenparadox slot? can we use GP? but i dunno, typing "paradox" feels good lol
why is a quick wagon/naked vote during RVS outside the interest of town?
how do you propose to hunt scum?

Voting flub for bandwagon vote with no substance

slightly pinged by the wording used, similar wording and reason used by golden..

Ohhh I have commentary on this too but I’ll hold off.

I try to always let the person respond before I chime in. You don’t want to queue them into what you’re looking for in the answer.

[LolWagons]

Egix has a tough meta to crack. Not going to give my read on him just yet.

Trivium reacted way better to this wagon than he did to his wagon in our last game as scum but it is an RVS wagon whereas the other one was much later in the game so it’s like half a tick mark on town.

I’ll hold off on my Profii read

Interesting

You should answer x’s question so I can be less interesting and give my read on you.

[LolWagons]

VOTE: wagonomics

^This slot is starting to look bad

Calls for votes on a larger bandwagon that he doesn’t even have a vote on and now going after obvious policy lynch bait. Completely ignores my scum reads wagon. If GP flips red I’d encourage everyone to remember this.

[LolWagons]

Egix has a tough meta to crack. Not going to give my read on him just yet.

Trivium reacted way better to this wagon than he did to his wagon in our last game as scum but it is an RVS wagon whereas the other one was much later in the game so it’s like half a tick mark on town.

I’ll hold off on my Profii read

Interesting

You should answer x’s question so I can be less interesting and give my read on you.

I asked because when I skimmed earlier they hadn’t said anything about Triv wagon (think I missed posts from Robert to be fair)

So I was trying to work out if like we were going to get the sign of a scum wagon where it’s hard to get enough people to actually form a majority because town are inherently uninformed

I don’t think my test really told me anything

What signals were you looking for re:scum wagon?

If you don’t want to give them away just yet that’s fine, but I’m curious.

[LolWagons]

like in the last game when we got BEF it was hard to get the wagon over the line, so, let's assume the rush on triv was fully town...there were a few players who had already objected by the time i posted... so if the players i specifically asked (The undeclared) all kinda came out and went 'Eh why not, im not against it'

you could speculate that the rushers were town, the questioned were town and we hit a scum and found the objectors as his buddies.

I'm oversimplifying a complicated game, but i think there was a general mix of for and against anyway. I think we will have 1 scum for and 2 scum against and triv will be town- thats my guess. idk who

I get what you’re saying. I think Triv is probably town, as probably as can be at page four. X came off pretty Townie in the exchange as well. You’re playing pretty identical to the game we just got out of so I’m feeling good there too.

What do you think of Lapsa?

[LolWagons]

i kinda ignore people like that until they start doing stuff. Like if i had meta experience i might be more like "that dude doesnt usually just naked vote his way through the day" or whatever but i kinda just null that as they aren't really showing their hand

I kind of agree but he’s gone after Trivium (the biggest wagon) and now the obvious policy lynch slot. Not really the blind voting to me as much as it is the targets.

[LolWagons]

LolWagons what do you think of Nikk

Having a hard time with Nikk. I didn’t like the clarification post after vote, seemed a little too self-conscious for town. Kind of the same way GP seems a bit image-obsessed. The rest of the profile is null, so probably scum tilt.

[LolWagons]

Also to add to Lapsa the fact he wanted to lynch Trivium without him being on the wagon is icky. Either town really not paying attention or scum forgetting to walk his walk and talk his talk. I find it hard to believe as town I’d forget where my vote was.

[LolWagons]

Ehhhh I think it deserves more than noted.

By the way how the hell haven’t you voted yet?

[LolWagons]

Oh I don’t think the Wagonomics thing is a policy lynch. I think it could be framed that way by mafia though. I mean it’s a new account doing a bit, colorful text, but not really saying a lot. At least directly.

My one issue with the slot right now is that it’s voting me but has me rated the same as it. Which makes no sense, but I have enough good reads at this point I’m willing to let the story unfold. Could be valuable, and reactions to that slot are already yielding info.

[LolWagons]

Thats a terrible wagon...

No

[LolWagons]

Which wagon?

[LolWagons]

I'm still very confused by the seeming reward for non activity. Does this usually work?

It’s not a reward. Some people are just more methodical and want to have more info before putting their chips in. I generally put my balls to the wall by page 5 or so but I respect other play styles.

[LolWagons]

Except replacing out when you don’t like playing with people.

That’s something that wasn’t around as much in ‘11 and ‘12 when I was active on my main that I’ve seen all the time here now.

Life’s full of shitty people. Playing mafia with ones you don’t like is great practice for dealing with frustration in your career and whatnot

Sorry for the tangent but I had to. I’ve been back three weeks and that trend has annoyed the shit out of me.

[LolWagons]

Dox?

[LolWagons]

Oh. GP or TGP might be a better way to shorthand that.

Also interested.

I think I have a nice little block of townreads, feeling alright about this game for so early in.

[LolWagons]

I dont feel as great about xwing though, dunno why

you would be surprised how often overabundance of lame questions indicates scum

[LolWagons]

@dough do you think xwing is a cop?

[LolWagons]

Dude

[LolWagons]

hmmm i like to like you profii, but maybe i cant give you a town read just yet..but def not on my scumdar..
im gonna take a backseat for now and let the others come in and comment..

@mod: i'm going to be V/LA on the weekends UTC+12, it's Friday lunch time now my time..

"Hey look I might have to defend myself ok bye"

Oh come on. That’s what pushed you to voting? I can see the questions without follow up thing but to use that as your lynchpin seems super contrived.

[LolWagons]

Also to add to Lapsa the fact he wanted to lynch Trivium without him being on the wagon is icky.

it had a purpose

for instance - now I know that you haven't done meta dive on me

Why would I?

I’m not buying this “oh my playstyle is scummy as town lol don’t lynch me” shit

People tried to spoonfeed me that BS last game and I’m glad I didn’t eat it.

[LolWagons]

Mostly the way they addressed profii. "You're pushing me and instead of digging into it I'm just going to waffle on the read for now."

Like, why ask all these questions and then have so much trouble generating a conversation?

This is a better reason to join a wagon. Wish you would have just left the V/LA stuff out.

[LolWagons]

This is a better reason to join a wagon.

I've kept your seat warm... jump on

I want to hear from TGP and X first. I still like where my vote is.

[LolWagons]

Duuuuuude GPs post is awful. The OP he’s quoting is profii saying that it’s probably not a reliable read because he’s reading off someone else’s meta. Instead of sheeping more updated and more rationally sound logic of generating questions with no content. Reasons matter and I am not buying that.

Trivium is town. This time, I think I’m actually sure.

[LolWagons]

Duuuuuude GPs post is awful. The OP he’s quoting is profii saying that it’s probably not a reliable read because he’s reading off someone else’s meta. Instead of sheeping more updated and more rationally sound logic of generating questions with no content. Reasons matter and I am not buying that.

Trivium is town. This time, I think I’m actually sure.

get on xwing!

TGP is better

[LolWagons]

Duuuuuude GPs post is awful. The OP he’s quoting is profii saying that it’s probably not a reliable read because he’s reading off someone else’s meta. Instead of sheeping more updated and more rationally sound logic of generating questions with no content. Reasons matter and I am not buying that.

Trivium is town. This time, I think I’m actually sure.

get on xwing!

TGP is better

Your resistance has been noted

You’re not going to intimidate me into getting onto a wagon with two of my scum reads lol

[LolWagons]

Interesting. I am getting that same thing, though in a different way. Xwing is scummy and it seems that he is playing this kind of game.

Profii. This is like, the most vague half-hearted waffling I’ve seen on a while. That type of post is not town.

[LolWagons]

Sorry should clarify that’s from GP. On mobile.

[LolWagons]

Sorry should clarify that’s from GP. On mobile.

feels like 1 is the c/w to the other... about to fall asleep so will look closely tomorrow

... dude I think mafia might be avoiding both wagons. Check the ISOs of all the people off the wagons and then look at the ISOs of the people on each wagon. Tell me which group looks the worst.

[LolWagons]

Ftr I don’t think they’re all off the wagons. But I’m having trouble piecing together how this works with more than one scum in the eight voting on the wagon.

[LolWagons]

Sorry should clarify that’s from GP. On mobile.

feels like 1 is the c/w to the other... about to fall asleep so will look closely tomorrow

... dude I think mafia might be avoiding both wagons. Check the ISOs of all the people off the wagons and then look at the ISOs of the people on each wagon. Tell me which group looks the worst.

The group with you, Trivium, eg and the other bandwagon.

Dude your last two votes have been on GP’s wagon. Would you like to explain?

[LolWagons]

And by that I mean you are voting Lapsa and previously FN (most recently). So I’m now extremely interested in hearing the justification for what you just said.

[LolWagons]

Sorry should clarify that’s from GP. On mobile.

feels like 1 is the c/w to the other... about to fall asleep so will look closely tomorrow

... dude I think mafia might be avoiding both wagons. Check the ISOs of all the people off the wagons and then look at the ISOs of the people on each wagon. Tell me which group looks the worst.

The group with you, Trivium, eg and the other bandwagon.

Dude your last two votes have been on GP’s wagon. Would you like to explain?

You mean xwings wagon?

Yes, I do.

[LolWagons]

The same xwing I was originally voting for to make sure they couldn't skate by on votes without reasons?

Don’t play this game with me, it doesn’t end well for those who try.

Explain to me why you think people on the X wagon are more scummy than the people on the GP wagon.

[LolWagons]

The same xwing I was originally voting for to make sure they couldn't skate by on votes without reasons?

Don’t play this game with me, it doesn’t end well for those who try.

Explain to me why you think people on the X wagon are more scummy than the people on the GP wagon.

The supposition being that I am defending x, right? Then why would I target him to vote when there were 2 other naked voters early.

I've laid out my reasons for each vote individually. I cannot provide reason to a fantasy you've crafted.

Explain to me why one person saying you are in a scummier group got you so flustered you rushed to double post with incorrect information.

The supposition is that you are broadly chainsawing for GP. Or... did you mean GP?

How can your most recent vote, and your current vote, be on people on the x wagon... but you find people on the GP wagon scummier as a whole?

It makes perfect sense I want a direct answer to this question, as someone who suspects GP.

[LolWagons]

The same xwing I was originally voting for to make sure they couldn't skate by on votes without reasons?

Don’t play this game with me, it doesn’t end well for those who try.

Explain to me why you think people on the X wagon are more scummy than the people on the GP wagon.

The supposition being that I am defending x, right? Then why would I target him to vote when there were 2 other naked voters early.

I've laid out my reasons for each vote individually. I cannot provide reason to a fantasy you've crafted.

Explain to me why one person saying you are in a scummier group got you so flustered you rushed to double post with incorrect information.

And I’m not the one trying to dodge questions, so I’m not flustered.

Are you saying that me doubleposting is scummy? Are you saying that getting two names mixed up is scummy? Spit it out. Don’t be coy.

[LolWagons]

1. You still haven't answer a very, very simple question.
2. The question said EACH wagon and non wagon voters. And that explanation is ABSOLUTELY false because when you gave your answer you did not give wagon to non wagon voters, you gave a specific wagon's voters.
3. Had I given you the reasoning for my question up front, I would have given away why I was asking it in the first place, which defeats the purpose of the probe. Of course I'm not going to say "It really looks like you are chainsawing for GP, can you tell me why that is?" because then you know what I am probing for. I left it out intentionally, but the actual substance of the question has not changed, particularly when I proposed it specifically to you:

Explain to me why you think people on the X wagon are more scummy than the people on the GP wagon.

Of course, as you gracefully pointed out, X and GP should be switched, so it reads:

Explain to me why you think people on the GP wagon are more scummy than the people on the X wagon.

[LolWagons]

You seem very defensive, friend. It interests me.

You're question has a simple answer. I don't. I wanted to see how you would react. I now have my answer.

As I said early, Paradox feels like a

I get pissed when people don't answer my questions. About half the people in this game just finished a game with me where the guy wouldn't answer me directly and yeah, I fucking hate it.

[LolWagons]

...decent push, especially since none of the answers given by him have made me feel warm and fuzzy.

But you think Lapsa is better?

[LolWagons]

And no, that's not a loaded question. I'm genuinely interested in your opinion.

[LolWagons]

#113-#118 (they aren't all his, but that window) in his ISO...I mean, that's bad.

[LolWagons]

#113-#118 (they aren't all his, but that window) in his ISO...I mean, that's bad.

That's referring to Lapsa's ISO btw.

[LolWagons]

#113-#118 (they aren't all his, but that window) in his ISO...I mean, that's bad.

I mean 115 literally describes 117 and 118.

Yup.

So don't discount the Lapsa lynch. I have the opposite stance of you. GP barely a better push than Lapsa. Need more from both.

[LolWagons]

Well I was hoping no one would specifically point that piece out because if people want to think there's a cop when there's not, that would typically benefit town, but you went and blew it.

[LolWagons]

Having caught up, I sense the better wagon here is Xwing. I feel the same thing as everyone who voted for him. My vote would put to L-2 if I count well, so I will hold off for a bit.
When I come back home I'll vote him if my mind hasn't changed or if someone hasn't posted something about him.

What happened to this?

[LolWagons]

Well I was hoping no one would specifically point that piece out because if people want to think there's a cop when there's not, that would typically benefit town, but you went and blew it.

Sorry dude. I did not think of the consequences as deep as you did. How does it help town? (Not a trick question, I just want to be educated)

I’m kind of fucking with ya. But the idea is if the rules say no cops but someone doesn’t know there’s always a small chance they would fake claim cop for an easy lynch.

[LolWagons]

Hey Nikk and Profii: go look at post #47 and tell me what you see in regards to Robert/TGP

[LolWagons]

Robert you seem to be pointing fingers at literally everyone who posts: can you please condense your reads a bit into a list?

Oh this is getting spicy

[LolWagons]

Robert you seem to be pointing fingers at literally everyone who posts: can you please condense your reads a bit into a list?

Oh this is getting spicy

Any comments? I see a lot of your posts but have a lot of trouble understanding what your reads are.

Sure, I think you two (Ie you and Robert) are scum together and this a transparently contrived attempt to distance.

Doughboy and Trivium are probably town.

I don’t like the way Profii has been rotating around your wagon but I’m sure he feels the same way about me on the x wagon, so I’m giving him the BOTD even if you’re mafia. Plus he’s been insightful and is playing his careful, Socratic game he did when we were town last game.

Sash I have leaning town.

I have a tilting scum read on Lapsa but with the way his counterwagon formed I don’t think he’s scum if you flip scum.

A scum flip from you would make me feel mixed about Nikk because of one of your all’s early interactions but a town flip from you would make him town to me. Even if you flip scum there I think he would be leaning town.

X I have leaning town because of the way they came out swinging against their wagon, but that was way back in early game. Just the people on the wagon on X make me feel like X is town. So if most of my reads are correct, this one is too.

The wagonomics account is a tossup. I think they said my value decreased but it stayed the same, and they haven’t been super active. I think it’ll take a day or two to solve the slot.

Egix is a tough read for me but my gut says town.

I’m on mobile and missing somebody so hold on and let me see who it is

[LolWagons]

Oh, Flubber.

Flubber is null unsurprisingly. Forgot he was in the game.

[LolWagons]

Sure, I think you two (Ie you and Robert) are scum together and this a transparently contrived attempt to distance.

lol i said not S/S because they were pushing the similar thing - i would expected more distancing :O

I think they’re trying lol

How confident are you it’s not S/S?

[LolWagons]

Yo Lolwagons - i wanted you to vote Xwing because I thought you were scum WITH Xwing - that why I note your resistance but you are starting to town it up a bit more so I'll reveal my read.

I am placing you under the pressure of a relatively high burden of proficiency so if you keep getting stuff wrong I am going to revert back to my initial instinct that you are scum with xwing.

it was an early read and probably wrong but that's why i was going that way.

We will see when X gets back. My town read on that slot is just post-RVS so it’s tenuous. But I think TGP is still a good lynch, although Robert might be looking better.

[LolWagons]

My activity might dip a bit this week, I got approval for unlimited OT so you bed bet I’m literally taking that to the bank.

I’ll write up a case on TGP when I get home. I don’t know when that will be, but probably between 9-11 PM EST

[LolWagons]

Trivium agreeing with basically everything I say is giving me flashbacks to our last game where at the end he said he agreed with me and buddied with me as scum but I’m also having a really hard time believing he would be that blatant about it after literally telling me he did it like a week ago. I still think he’s town but I had to note it just in case I’m not around on day 3 or 4 and y’all are looking back on this.

[LolWagons]

DB you read him right last time. How do you feel about Trivium?

[LolWagons]

I actually do have a case on Lapsa. Lapsa has yet to show any town in the slightest.

Course I'm waiting for someone to try to convince me to vote for golden.

You haven’t shown any town either.

In the slightest

[LolWagons]

I might not get the post up tonight. Xwing's re-entry into the game hasn't really reinforced my reads like I thought it would. I'll do a fresh re-read of the thread either tonight or tomorrow night.

[LolWagons]

I might not get the post up tonight. Xwing's re-entry into the game hasn't really

reinforced my reads

like I thought it would.

Of just him or of other players too?

My reads are probably going to change on several people.

[LolWagons]

Trivium agreeing with basically everything I say is giving me flashbacks to our last game where at the end he said he agreed with me and buddied with me as scum but I’m also having a really hard time believing he would be that blatant about it after literally telling me he did it like a week ago. I still think he’s town but I had to note it just in case I’m not around on day 3 or 4 and y’all are looking back on this.

To be fair in your shoes in that last game I would have been on the same page. Seriously considering that hydra offer.

If you're scum you are absolutely shameless lmfao

What do you think of X's recent re-entry? I'm not feeling it at all.

[LolWagons]

Egix give me reads please

[LolWagons]

VOTE: TGP

L-1

L-1

L-1

What is this? Last night I indicated I might be getting cold feet on my reads and now you hop on?

[LolWagons]

I mean they could just say “I’m aggressive regardless of alignment, also eat shit” or something like that

That really did look like it could be manufactured but I don’t think that slot works well with my current reads

[LolWagons]

I know it was just weird timing because you seemed more partial to xwing lynch then I expressed doubts on TGP then you got on TGP.

I think I’m still on the right track. We can do TGP today. Just not feeling as good. But if TGP flips scum I don’t think Lapsa is scum.

I think Robert would be the other player I’d be willing to lynch. Those would be my top two.

[LolWagons]

Honestly fine with either. I know Profii said he’d expect more distancing but I really think they’re just as transparent as Saran Wrap.

Especially Robert’s read of TGP. It seems like they’re giving each other the benefit of the doubt way more than they should be. I have trouble seeing how Robert can read TGP as lean town but xwing negatively, for example.

Flub, why do you oppose TGP?

[LolWagons]

This page makes me feel good about Flubber. And a bit better about X.

I’d say Trivium/Flubber/DB are town.
I’d also say that with a scum flip from Robert or TGP, Lapsa and X become town.

So that’s a nice list. Gut still saying town on Egix. I’ve been right about his flips so far even though I’ve had trouble articulating why.

[LolWagons]

So that’s a nice list. Gut still saying town on Egix. I’ve been right about his flips so far even though I’ve had trouble articulating why.

Shhhhh. There is only Boba Tea.

Xwing I guess technically I’ve only played one game with him, we aren’t allowed to talk about ongoing. Which hopefully doesn’t get me in trouble because I didn’t reference specifics. Just goofed and thought one had finished.

I do trust my read on him though.

[LolWagons]

I’m interested in a claim from TGP.

That last sentence about trying to get on a wagon before lynch... that makes no sense coming from town. Why would a Townie say someone was trying to get on their wagon before a lynch. Wouldn’t their scum read want to stay off their wagon if they flipped town?

I don’t like the Wagonomics account, I think it’s a cute idea being poorly executed, and the reads aren’t anything particularly insightful. The Lapsa vote is kind of bad, to be honest, and I’m not even a fan of Lapsa.

[LolWagons]

Also “going to go with”... that language just bothers me. Seems so ...insincere? Noncommittal might be a better word.

[LolWagons]

I don’t like the Wagonomics account, I think it’s a cute idea being poorly executed, and the reads aren’t anything particularly insightful. The Lapsa vote is kind of bad, to be honest, and I’m not even a fan of Lapsa.

His other accounts are more serious and while on them he produces good reads and is a good player. Unless he's not the guy I think, but I'm almost certain, way more than 50%.

What's so bad about his vote? I'm not following you.

I mean it’s based on a meta of voting frequency...in a single game...that’s a really bad reason to vote for someone on page what. 15ish?

[LolWagons]

18. On mobile as usual.

[LolWagons]

I’ve read the end of #430 about 12 times and don’t see how it isn’t a scumslip.

[LolWagons]

@Lol: You voted TGP in post 40, never unvoted and kept tunneling him. Did you consider another suspect, who, why, ....?

When you’re right, you’re right. DB, Egix, Profii, and Trivium all saw me hard tunnel scum as town last game. I can admit when a read is wrong. I don’t think this one is.

If TGP is town then I’d have to think lynching on the wagon would be best. I’d look hard at Nikk and Profii as they were kind of the quieter adopters.

Robert goes from being scum to null in that scenario. I’d probably actually have to dig into Lapsa meta even though I don’t want to.

[LolWagons]

I’ve read the end of #430 about 12 times and don’t see how it isn’t a scumslip.

That would give us our next run if Paradox flips red, no?

Yup. I’m having a really hard time believing you’re not town now. You’ve been with me cognitively pretty much every step here.

[LolWagons]

[snip]
Going to go with a SR on profii for trying to get himself on a wagon before it goes to a lynch. VOTE: profii

@lol, is this what you meant by the scumslip on post 430? i dont get what you're seeing here..

The only way it would be advantageous for Profii to be on his wagon as scum, is if TGP were to flip scum.

If TGP flips town, then how is it good for scum-Profii to be on the wagon?

And we know TGP is scumreading Profii because it’s right there in the post.

[LolWagons]

Wagonomics implied intent, if he wants to make it official he can.

By official I mean intent, not hammer. We wait for TGP claim.

[LolWagons]

I’ve read the end of #430 about 12 times and don’t see how it isn’t a scumslip.

That would give us our next run if Paradox flips red, no?

Yup. I’m having a really hard time believing you’re not town now. You’ve been with me cognitively pretty much every step here.

Apart from my deep seeded hatred of naked votes, you mean.

Yeah maybe our synchronization started after our one on one lol

I think this is right. This definitely feels right.

[LolWagons]

[snip]
Going to go with a SR on profii for trying to get himself on a wagon before it goes to a lynch. VOTE: profii

@lol, is this what you meant by the scumslip on post 430? i dont get what you're seeing here..

The only way it would be advantageous for Profii to be on his wagon as scum, is if TGP were to flip scum.

If TGP flips town, then how is it good for scum-Profii to be on the wagon?

And we know TGP is scumreading Profii because it’s right there in the post.

that's a weird question - if I'm scum and I lynch town!TGP then that's my win con lol. The fact we are talking about these scenarios means I could just induce wifom and say what about looking at it the other way round bla bla bla.

That’s not what he’s saying though. He is saying you’re trying to get on the wagon before the lynch. The way it was worded is what gives it away.

It’s not “Oh you’re trying to mislynch me”, that doesn’t really say much

It’s “You’re trying to get on this wagon before it goes to lynch” heavily implies it’s a good wagon to be on.

Idk maybe it’s confbias like Egix said but if that’s the case it’s the most poorly worded OMGUS I think I’ve ever seen.

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Idk you think it’s a double bus? We’ve had a fair amount of trouble getting this wagon up and there’s a fairly robust counterwagon. If GP is scum I say 1 bus max on the wagon.

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Don’t you have four votes on you? I’d call that significant. Or am I miscounting?

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I'm not gonna count votes for you

mind sharing some more of those steps?

for some reason - I find nikk most alien here

Whatever then. Pretty sure there’s 3 or 4. I’d call that a counterwagon.

Sharing steps?

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@Lapsa

Mainly 208, 380, and 447.

Our one on one was intense and the way it diffused was odd but pretty sure he’s town.

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I really like that there’s mixed reactions to the “scumslip”

I do think it was one but it makes me feel good I’m getting some pushback and not a unanimous yes or people ignoring it.

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@xwing Yea I think so. Yours formed pretty quickly after. Then you came back in and engaged and votes diffused to Robert and Lapsa it seems.

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I’m still really leery of the Wagonomics account. It’s last post was about 85% flavor filler.

It could be condensed to:
My read changed from x to y (with no reasoning) for most players
Then they waffle on Egix
Then they vote Lapsa for... unvoting a lot.

The only other meaningful interaction I see is with xwing.

It’s also skated by pretty easy without a lot of pressure and people interacting with it. Idk if everyone just has bigger fish to fry (that’s my mindset) but I’d suggest regardless of this flip people stop giving it a pass tomorrow.

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^ That’s better posting.

I think DB might just be dealing with RL stuff based on what he said at the end of our last game. He hasn’t been as active in this one.

The VT claim makes me squirm a little, was really expecting a PR claim because I was really expecting mafia. But at this point I’m fine with a hammer. TGP doesn’t seem particularly interested in giving any last reads besides maybe possible Profii distancing. Like Trivium I’m not really buying that logic/explanation. Why would people be pointing fingers off the wagon? It doesn’t make a lot of sense.

If you do hammer, I think either Profii or Nick bussed and that either Sash or Robert stayed off the wagon. I don’t find Sash’s isolated play as scummy at all but he seemed to be subtly picking my brain about the TGP wagon a couple times in an odd manner. If TGP is town I wouldn’t worry about him then.

I’d still go Profii tomorrow or maybe Robert if TGP is town. I assume if TGP flips town I’ll be kept alive tonight, but just in case.

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Yeah I’m ready for the hammer as well.

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I don't like that lol's talking about why they might be left alive tonight already, but whatever

I don’t think I’ll be left alive because I think TGP flips mafia here, if that makes you feel better.

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It doesn't, but alrighty

Lmfao oh you.

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@X
#374 is fairly blatantly driving a counterwagon
#376 felt a bit like fishing for my opinion on the TGP wagon without actually being upfront and asking
#445 felt a bit like low-key shade. And although I’ve pushed for the GP wagon since early, I’ve engaged with most of the other players. Tunneling is a stretch.

#446 is really weird because he didn’t really read TGP as scum (at least not as much as Lapsa) and yet he still picked up the distancing thing before anyone really said it. I just find it odd if his focus wasn’t on TGP and noticed it, and if he picked up on it like that and acknowledged it as fake distancing why not realize maybe the TGP lynch is better? Feels like TMI.

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By the way #504 is a very town post.

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Robert you can hammer him if you want. I’ve suspected him ever since he asked “hahaha reason?” for a single early game vote, but there’s been other stuff. Particularly his longer quote walls with nothing of real substance, his waffling of reads on you, a retroactive reads list that looked like it was more for appeasement than to actually engage, and then what looks like a final distancing before he’s voted out.

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#150 is particularly egregious. It’s a huge post and I literally can’t find a single original thought or meaningful stance in it.

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That first paragraph in #150 literally reminds of the scene from The Office where Carrells character is talking to I think his boss and he just keeps saying random tangentially related stuff to procrastinate

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Also let’s also keep in mind that #150’s only real read is a sheep of Flubber sheeping Profii who admits he is judging one player by the meta of another. And it just happens to be the counterwagon at the time.

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#259, #279, and #300 are also really bad. Like... I don’t get how those exist in the same brain? And it’s pinging you because he’s being high and mighty? And then I’ve clarifies it’s still a townread.

Then #430 seems like an abrupt jump off xwing. The case went from “faking content” to “not faking content”. It’s just a really vague reason for transitioning from someone you’ve had your vote on the majority of the game.

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This feels really theatrical to me. Y’all hammer if you want. Don’t if you don’t. I laid out my case.

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I was a little worried about how easy I seemed to get a wagon going but holy shit this last page and a half has banished that nothing straight to Hell. Hijinks all around. Not even for sure what Profii was on about.

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Notion* straight to hell

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Wagonomics do you really thing TGP’s reactions are sincere in #527/#528?

I’d be less fond of Egix if TGP flips town but he sheeped me last game on scum and wound up being town. He had similar play there. I don’t see how people don’t hammer on TGP after this page lol like what the shit was that

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Yes, he’s a double voter.

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He’s been breadcrumbing it since like the start of the game.

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Slight scumlean on egix, neutral on db.

I don't think a Profii investment goes through today. Would you like to invest in EgixCoin?

We’ve reached consensus already. Go look at the first few votes of Profiis iso. He’s a double voter.

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He seemed more pissed off that people were ignoring his reads than that he was being lynched which seems kinda townie tbh

527 and 528 are kinda bad and could in fact be theater, in fact if TGP flipped scum I would say profii is more likely to flip scum now as well

But ProfiiCoin markets itself in large part from the BOON school of economics which maintains that "One reaction test a day keeps the wolves at bay" so it is plausible profii + tgp is t/t

mostly 518 made me seriously doubt the value of an investment in GoldCoin

I don’t think FoSing the lurker (no offense) on your way out AFTER I did it like three pages ago is a towntell, but call me old fashioned.

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Slight scumlean on egix, neutral on db.

I don't think a Profii investment goes through today. Would you like to invest in EgixCoin?

We’ve reached consensus already. Go look at the first few votes of Profiis iso. He’s a double voter.

actually, I'm not seeing it.

#57/#73/#223

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I don’t think FoSing the lurker (no offense) on your way out AFTER I did it like three pages ago is a towntell, but call me old fashioned.

no the part where he's like "I've got a reads list and I'm sticking to it, and tomorrow you'll know I'm town so then you'll read it"

that's a pretty town sentiment for L-1 and ITH

I mean... okay. I think that’s like the most common L-1 response I’ve seen regardless of alignment.

When we lynched scum D-1 in our last game he went on about how I had them all fooled well after the hammer.

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Thaaat's a stretch if true.

It is. I’m glad you picked up on it.

So, TGP, mod seems like he only pops in once a day or so.

Let’s say Profii is scum, who are potential buddies?

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Take advantage of the long twilight.

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Thaaat's a stretch if true.

It is. I’m glad you picked up on it.

So, TGP, mod seems like he only pops in once a day or so.

Let’s say Profii is scum, who are potential buddies?

I have 2 options and I think they are voting together.

Sorry Nikk, that was directed at TGP.

TGP

if Profii is scum who are buddies and who aren’t?

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Like all Schadds posts are in between 12PM and 7PM EST so we might have a while.

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I mean I appreciate your contribution it was valuable lol

TGP is just limited on time and I figured they could get their final assessment out

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Is that hammer? I was lyncher, TGP was my target. I win right?

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Is that hammer? I was lyncher, TGP was my target. I win right?

It was not. I am an Informed Economist, and GoldCoin actually has the Loved Modifier, so that was only L-1.

What in hell's doorbells is going on here

Idk he must have misread his role PM I’m TGP’s neighbor and he’s actually a six-shot vengeful Townie. We figured this would be the best way to scumhunt, just get him lynched and he shoots our six scum reads

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Trivium might be town.

I’ll have TGP spare him with his vengeful shot then