[Game Over] Open 743 - The Crown of Misery

[Lamees]

VOTE: infernodragon18

[Lamees]

VOTE: dva

Lamist af

[Lamees]

@rb what power role would you choose as scum?

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@auro what power role would you choose as scum?

[Lamees]

I'd choose immortal. Thing is broken, wouldn't be surprised if there is one in the game.

[Lamees]

Malakitty seems familiar

[Lamees]

WIFOM LAMIST with some ATE and OMGUS. For sure scum.

[Lamees]

I'm aware of notnova's misrep of DVA, he claimed that the "not serious" posts were lamist. But the actual lamist posts were DVAs first two posts.

He agreed with me though, so he can't possibly be scum.

[Lamees]

VOTE: Lamees

wow trying so hard to be funny and relaxed like town but obvious scum imo

im so good at this game tbh wow

How could you possibly know that I'm trying to be relaxed? I'm also not trying to be funny. Your reasoning is wrong. And so is your vote.

[Lamees]

Wait why would someone that's funny and relaxed be town? I think this is you low key being lamist as scum here. You have been pushing the "funny" angle all game with your posts, and I guess relaxed too? So yeah you just exposed yourself imo.

VOTE: rb

[Lamees]

what does "low key being lamist" mean?

If you look at post 107, rb claims to be relaxed and funny. Then says relaxed and funny is town (it's not lol). So instead of just outright saying they are town, rb instead opted for a more hidden/scummy way of lamist, and thus voting me in the process. Not sure why town would lamist and misrep in the same post. I think we found one scum.

[Lamees]

wow people should join me on the lamees wagon imo

No

[Lamees]

wow people should join me on the lamees wagon imo

No

wow press 1 for yes and 2 for yes imo

What's your case? Random wagon that is clearly scum driven.

[Lamees]

What's your case? Random wagon that is clearly scum driven.

That's an interesting statement, considering rb is the only vote on you. Why did you say that as though you were close to lunch range?

I just want to know what his case is. Since he's now also trying to gather support.

[Lamees]

We should lynch rb, high chance of scum. If somehow town, at least we don't have to see more "wow -insert random text- imo" posts lol.

[Lamees]

We're lynching rb. I've seen this happen too much and lost games as town because of it. Not letting it go. My vote is on rb for the entire game until one of us gets lynched.

[Lamees]

Vote rb, you'll thank me day 2.

[Lamees]

I have been in a game with lamee where I read her as scum right off the bat. She hammered me ; I made her scum slip and she went unlynched and won the game

Hammering a town player is not a scum slip lol.

[Lamees]

Anyway, this is def not town malakitty. Town malakitty was less aggressive with pushes and was more prone to sheep other players. (In the game we played together at least). Then again I'm not really gonna call her scum just off meta/one previous game together.

I also don't see why yyottacat got so much backlash? Weren't you guys going for a lamees lynch? What if yyotta just bought malakitty's case and joined.

[Lamees]

Let's talk about this post

wow back to not taking mafia seriously imo

too hard tbh

You then went back to voting me over DVA. So you even admit your vote on me is not serious lol.

When town is ready to lynch scum (that is rb) let me know.

[Lamees]

That's not even a contradiction. I said I played a game with malakitty. She was town and her behaviour is different to this game, which is why I don't think it's town of her. But I also acknowledge that it was one game and she got lynched day 1. So I do NOT want to scum read her solely for that reason.

People acting as if I said she is town and scum at the same time lol. Well there's obv scum on my wagon so I expect just about anything to get twisted.

[Lamees]

Even if there was contradiction (which there isn't) how is it even alignment indicative? Why would I as scum make contradicting posts?

How about the fact that rb admitted his vote on me was not serious but continues to tunnel on it to look busy.

How about the fact that rb townread malakitty after ONE POST, and all of a sudden malakittys only case is a sheep of rb's not serious vote on me?

Also, "lamees is posting no content" LMAO I can list 10 players or even more with no content in this game

[Lamees]

Out of curiosity, am I on that list?

Of course. Everyone is. I'm the only one who caught scum so far.

[Lamees]

I only once rolled scum and it was my first game, can't really use that as an example. I was super noob idk how I won.

But auro is correct, as town I usually get lynched early (in newbie games at least). None newbie games I work better with town so I got night killed late but at that stage we already had the win in the bag.

This isn't a newbie game though, so can we all vote rb please. Thanks.

[Lamees]

If auro's here it's only natural there's a long shit posty exchange lol. I think he does it as either alignment. I'll put him as null for now.

[Lamees]

It's 1 to vote lamees
2 to vote lamees

I want an example where town has ever tunnel like this and what would the reason be. I have been in this situation before and was scum doing it.

[Lamees]

We're lynching rb. I've seen this happen too much and lost games as town because of it. Not letting it go. My vote is on rb for the entire game until one of us gets lynched.

It's 1 to vote lamees
2 to vote lamees

I want an example where town has ever tunnel like this and what would the reason be. I have been in this situation before and was scum doing it.

So you're scum claiming.

That's a bold strategy, Cotton.

I'm saying after seeing rbs push on me I now know rb is scum.

[Lamees]

I have been tunneled like this and let it go. Town ended up losing. This time no.

[Lamees]

If you know what I'm saying then you're just trolling. Because it's not a scum claim nor am I scum by my own criteria. I did not start random tunneling anyone. And then still admit it's "not serious"

[Lamees]

I rolled angel though

[Lamees]

wow can we cop check thor and auro just because i started reading their interactions and now i have depression imo

You actually read that?

[Lamees]

I rolled angel though

Why did you claim? You were only at L-3 and deadline isn't near. I was beginning to come around on you anyway.

If you were lynched rn, who would you venge kill?

That rb post right before my claim was the last straw.
Who would I kill is a secret.

[Lamees]

if they are actually angel and town, i welcome the vengekill to get me out of this tbh

Lol oops. Looks like you slipped.

[Lamees]

Having players mindlessly tunnelling me while not being serious is just gonna waste day 1 time on a town PR, so I claimed in order to not get to final day with L-1, as that is more likely to look like a scum gambit and also that's a lot of time wasted.

[Lamees]

Lol if you think angel should be lynched day 1 then please go back to posting "wow imo" posts.

[Lamees]

"Angel gets a kill-therefore we should lynch day 1"

That's basically saying I should gamble on 3/9 odds. Nice work.

And keep in mind these odds arent taking into account if there is an immortal.

[Lamees]

Lol if you think angel should be lynched day 1 then please go back to posting "wow imo" posts.

We don't know that you're angel.

Why do you scum read rb so hard, yet wouldn't say that he'd be your smite target?

Why would angel want to keep its smite target secret, thereby depriving town of valuable information in the event the target survived? Yes, GF is a possibility, but it's still valuable info.

Well he literally said angel should be lynched so that it can kill scum lol. That's separate from me being angel.

You're forgetting the amount of scum power roles out there, can't just name a target.

[Lamees]

@minideathstar, if angel is dead, can it still be roleblocked?

[Lamees]

@Pers, scum is informed about what PRs town has -- if scum knows there's no Angel, it's not as bad a fakeclaim.

I'll post here and there, and end my VLA early if I get my work done fast.

Another reason why claiming early was better than last minute

[Lamees]

I rolled angel though

Lol if you think angel should be lynched day 1 then please go back to posting "wow imo" posts.

Er, OK - what day

should

Angel be lynched?

In my opinion, town should never be lynched. Even vanilla, which is basically what angel is alive. Hence my early claim. So it's kinda win win. If players don't believe I still get a smite. And if they do, scum will be forced to night kill me, and I get a smite.

But if you are pushing an intentional town lynch that is a bad play, in my opinion.

[Lamees]

There are other options of verifying if I'm lying or not. Better than a lynch. What auro said in 414 basically applies to anyone in the game at the moment lol. Everyone could be scum lying, and is better off lynched. I don't get that reason, it's stating the obvious about everyone but trying to tie it to me.

Actually the number of ascension points plays a role later in the game, pair this with possible other ways of verifying my claim, still a bad to play to lynch town even if it's angel/VT

[Lamees]

I expected this kind of reasons to vote me if it was last minute. Anyway I think I gave ample time for players to evaluate the claim. If by end of day 1 you'd still knowingly lynch town then can't be helped.

[Lamees]

Exactly auro, day 1 lynch is the worst play to lynch angel. Because as the game progress the higher my chances are to hit scum. So they are forced to kill me night 1 if you think about it.

If you are gonna do their work for them and lynch me early to lower my chances, then idk, could be considered game throwing lol jk.

[Lamees]

Lamees (L-4)

: Malakitty, YyottaCat, Persivul

Leodanny (L-5)

: Thor665, Egix96

rb (L-5)

: Lamees, Leodanny

DVa (L-6)

: NotNova

Dunnstral (L-6)

: rb

NotNova (L-6)

: DVa

YyottaCat (L-6)

: Dunnstral

Something_Smart, Auro

I also agree that lynching me (when at least the odds are more than 50/50) is a good idea. So I am for my lynch, not day 1 though.

[Lamees]

If we can get rid of the immortal (high chance of scum picking this role to counter me) before my lynch/nk that would be great.

[Lamees]

I think he meant 1 day before lylo

[Lamees]

Okay, I've just had a quick skim through everything that happened since the last time I was here, which was about 24 hours ago.
Does anyone else think that rb's most recent posts (from about #339 onward) are very scummy in tone? Apart from the supposed scumslip, that is?
Maybe I'm getting hardcore pocketed by Lamees here, but in all honesty I would much rather lynch rb today.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: rb

Yeah I did notice rb sounded more like frustrated scum had just lost their lynch after my claim. He/she was whining big time.

[Lamees]

@persivul, for the last time, I am not telling who I'll smite!

[Lamees]

Anyways I'll say it one more time before I move on from this claim. I do not think we should lynch me day 1 as 3/9 odds are low. I prefer a 50/50 or more and I'll be fine with my lynch.

3/7 can work too I guess. But 3/9 is the worst possible case. Also if you think I'm somehow scum and fake claimed, why would I prematurely claim as scum? Scum gets little room for fake claims and you really think I screwed my team over on day 1 at L-3? I claimed because there needs to be time to properly read the claim and not make a rushed decision.

[Lamees]

Anyways I'll say it one more time before I move on from this claim. I do not think we should lynch me day 1 as 3/9 odds are low. I prefer a 50/50 or more and I'll be fine with my lynch.

50/50 or more means scum have already won.

True, sorry, town perspective here. Forgot how scum wins. Never rolled it in months.

So I guess closest we can get is 3/5 chance assuming we misslynch twice. Still way better than 3/9

But I really hope the immortal gets lynched before then.

[Lamees]

Yeah my numbers are wrong lol. It's actually 3/12. Urg so low.

[Lamees]

It's actually worse than I thought now. So we'll never get a really good chance. Best is 1 day before lylo.

[Lamees]

Imo scum night kills me tonight because that denominator slowly creeps down as the game goes on.

[Lamees]

It's ok DVA because I only kill scum.

[Lamees]

Well not all scum

[Lamees]

I already said in 419 that it applies to everyone. Only thing differing me from a VT is the smite part. Which I would prefer to use later. What you are arguing is that because I claimed, I could be scum that's lying.

Everyone claims to be town and could be scum lying.

[Lamees]

@Lamees, can you give me a quick rundown of why you thought claiming Angel was a good idea?

I assumed that a last minute claim wouldn't really give time for a proper discussion. More chance of looking like a scum gambit (since scum know which town power roles are in the game, it's super easy to fake claim, I predict fake claims to happen still, btw). I also did not like the "not serious" tunnelling that kept happening and would probably happen until end of day 1. That's a lot of time wasted.

[Lamees]

Lamees, how confident are you that rb is scum?

Very, I'm confident in my read and I'm more times right that wrong.

But, it being day 1 and since the actual chances are like 1/4 to be right - my read has a high chance of being wrong, if that makes sense.

[Lamees]

No I asked already, was confirmed vampire does not block angel. Only pick to counter it is immortal.

[Lamees]

MDS bristep unvoted me

UNVOTE: rb

I think dunnstrel, bristel and leo are town. We shouldnt lynch them imo. I don't know about mala, not enough info. Leaning slightly town.

One of rb or DVa is scum. If these last few pages were scum theatre then wp, but imo only 1 scum between these two.

Leaning DVa now tbh. Egix is correct when he mentioned DVa's behaviour as scum the last time was crazy. Like out of no where started posting "IM FUCKING TOWN" or something like that. Not even sure there was pressure lol. Trendall had a pretty funny reaction to that in the dead thread. Anyway, pair this with the lamist posting in the beginning I'm gonna have to with DVa is scum at this point.

VOTE: DVa

[Lamees]

Bristep is so good

[Lamees]

um, I forgot a colon is all. Worse crimes out there and all that.

UNVOTE: Lamees

VOTE: DVa

I think that might still be wrong

[Lamees]

@DVa are those your scum reads?

[Lamees]

Wait those arent scum reads those are inactive players.

[Lamees]

I'm not disputing anything just wondering whether it was your scum reads or the inactive list.

[Lamees]

You didn't give much clarity.

[Lamees]

I would usually unvote after this kind of tantrum since I don't get why this would come from scum, but after that game where I saw you as scum team I think anything is within your range. So anyone please feel free to hammer imo.

[Lamees]

So why'd you unvote?

[Lamees]

I think DVa might be zombie

[Lamees]

Here's the thing. I replaced in. I didn't even get a chance to start posting and solving when I was hammered. I don't think you can even compare here and then. I'm definitely can be an aggressive person on forum mafia especially with pushes. I'm not where where I really sheeped anyone that other game.

Really, ok now I have to quote from that game.

mala come vote lcpl with me

lamees come vote lcpl with me

fl come vote lcpl with me

VOTE: lcpl

for now 'cuz RC

Also all of your town reads AND scum reads were RCB's reads. Because he claimed cop I guess?

Having players mindlessly tunnelling me while not being serious is just gonna waste day 1 time on a town PR, so I claimed in order to not get to final day with L-1, as that is more likely to look like a scum gambit and also that's a lot of time wasted.

Um isn't that exactly what you are doing to rb, or am i wrong??....

You're wrong because I already explained multiple times that there is no town motivation for doing what rb was doing (it was way beyond RVS so I don't buy that excuse, claimed to be not serious but was pushing the wagon seriously hard). I have had it done to me before and it was a scum player doing so. Therefore my counter case against him wasn't "what he was doing" it was "because of what he was doing"

[Lamees]

We have to lynch DLA though, because I don't see how that is playing to town's wincon (the way DVa went out) so has to be scum. Makes sense if they are scum because wanting to end the day early and not have anyone gather more info on who their partners are sort of plays more scum sided, actually wanting to end the day right there was really bad for town.

Only chance DLA is town is if they are angel. Which is super low, I'm already angel and chances of rolling angel arent high.

So if DLA does not claim angel, we have to lynch imo. I mean, scum literally claimed, the rules state there are certain situations where if you feel your claim can benefit scum then I guess you can do so. Not claiming their role also only benefits scum etc.

[Lamees]

DarkLightA (L-3)

: NotNova, Lamees, bristep123, Persivul

rb (L-4)

: Leodanny, Something_Smart, DarkLightA

Dunnstral (L-6)

: rb

Leodanny (L-6)

: Thor665

Egix96, Malakitty, Dunnstral, Auro

Malakitty & egix
Who do you think is scum?

[Lamees]

That scum pool is really bad

Because you are included or are you town reading anyone in there?

[Lamees]

If scum knows there is an angel and also a priest (highest chance to roll) in the game then it makes sense for them to choose both immortal and ghost. So this gives our town power roles not as much effect.

It also says if a ghost were to frame a town player, that player will die when smite is used. Only person I remember was insisting that I name a target is persivul.

VOTE: persivul

[Lamees]

Telling my target during the day is still bad though. If I get night killed town would assume I targeted that player.

Is there anyone you town read auro? I've seen players use the "I wouldn't want this player in lylo" line a lot lately. You really think there is a player you'd want in lylo atm? For me so far majority of the player list is actually a scum read.

[Lamees]

Town-
Leodanny

Null-
Bristep123
Dunnstral
Nako
Egix96

Scum-
Auro
Persivul
Malakitty
Rb
Something_smart
DLA
Thor

[Lamees]

How on earth is Leodanny a town read?!

Why is he scum? I get the "not cotributing" part, but that isnt alignment indicative. I town read him because he isn't pushing for a scum wincon imo. Like you get players who troll around and don't contribute/lurk. But they still push aggressively for mislynches as scum (see notmafia in that game we played together) and kind of what rb was doing earlier this game. Leodanny isnt doing that.

[Lamees]

Leodanny (L-3)

: Thor665, Persivul, Auro, Dunnstral

rb (L-4)

: Leodanny, Something_Smart, DarkLightA

DarkLightA (L-5)

: NotNova, bristep123

Persivul (L-6)

: Lamees

Dunnstral (L-6)

: rb

Egix96, Malakitty

I remember I was null to you after my first Thor exchange, what changed since then?

Posts like 818 feel scummy. But mostly just gut feel. I'm obviously wrong as there cannot be that many scum in the game. So will need more time or flips to lessen my scum pool.

[Lamees]

He hasnt been that lurky. He has defended a town read and also pushed a scum read. That's not too bad imo. Being day 1 with 13 players, there's more chance to come off as lurky. I've seen so many prod dodges this game alone lol.

Look at malakitty's recent post. Keep in mind there were questions that was asked of her. What did she hop in and decide to comment on?

The fact that there are not great pushes being made on leodanny is kind of strengthening my town read of him.

[Lamees]

Yeah I've made up my mind. We should lynch malakitty today.

VOTE: malakitty

I specifically asked her who her scum reads are and it was page top so I don't buy the "didnt see it I was busy" excuse, not that she isnt busy, which I think she is. Also she read and responded to a post in a thor/auro exchange (lol) so she's definitely reading the thread.

I'm thinking scum would have little to no motivation to mention scum reads while busy/limited activity because as scum you have to make up scum reads, as everyone you want lynched is conftown. (Besides bussing obviously). So she rightfully ignored the question.

Pair this with that time in the thread where she got like 2 votes on her and then was defending herself and active during that stage. After the momentum died so did her activity.

[Lamees]

Town-
Leodanny

Null-
Bristep123
Dunnstral
Nako
Egix96

Scum-
Auro
Persivul
Malakitty
Rb
Something_smart
DLA
Thor

And I though my scum pool had too many names...

Lol some games just are like that I guess, where everyone is scummy. We need to get that lucky break some time in the later stages which gets us some conf towns and we can move from there. Otherwise it's just gamble after gamble until that final 50/50 decision at lylo.

[Lamees]

Lol. Amazing reads.

[Lamees]

If angel hits framed town we have a scummy town dead, equivalent to a vig shot. A second vig shot or a blocked kill would put us way ahead.
But if angel dies and picks a town that nobody knows, we get nothing at all.

Who determines what a scummy target is?

[Lamees]

Why is he scum? I get the "not cotributing" part, but that isnt alignment indicative. I town read him because he isn't pushing for a scum wincon imo. Like you get players who troll around and don't contribute/lurk. But they still push aggressively for mislynches as scum (see notmafia in that game we played together) and kind of what rb was doing earlier this game. Leodanny isnt doing that.

He's currently voting the biggest wagon that isn't him.
Before the wagon on him he was on the biggest wagon.
His vote isn't doing nothing.

He voted rb first according to the VC. So him being on that wagon is just him voting for who he thinks is scummy? How does him voting rb make him scum necessarily?

This seems like a misrep, are you saying he is being opportunistic by voting the next big wagon? Which he couldn't be doing since he voted there when the wagon didn't exist/ was small (like 1 vote from me) at best.

I dont think you answered my question here.

[Lamees]

For the last time, you just sheeped radiant cowbells with your votes on multiple players. You had no case on me.

The difference this game is that instead of sheeping you tried to put down a weak case. Saying my posts had no content or something like that. Then trying to tie it to previous game which you keep making wrong statements about. Is your memory failing you lol.

[Lamees]

Your case on me this game is that my posts have no substance and that I am trying to look busy. Not sure how someone can make that call tbh. Too subjective.

[Lamees]

Dont be insecure. The game is there to be read for whoever is interested and they can form their opinion on what happened. My opinion is that you sheeped. Not trying to discredit you or anything, I mean you said earlier this game about how I won that as scum because town was bad or something like that, that's not only trying to discredit me but an insult to all town players in that game. I didnt comment on that (your opinion) though, you're free to think what you want.

Now back to this game, your case on me is not that good. What do you base your claim on here? My posts have no substance and I seem to be trying to look busy as scum? What is the basis to calling someones posts that. I dont get it. That's just plain scum agenda you're pushing. I can literally call anyones posts trying to look busy and substanceless but why would I?

[Lamees]

Lamees I hated when you asked questions about what roles you would pick etc. you didn’t even follow up and it felt like a filler line to me. Then the whole lynch rb but have no solid case felt like a flash black how you tunneled Korina. Now that all of a sudden I call you out I’m being scum read by you which reeks of OMGUS.

Apparently no one can fucking smell the bullshit you’re spewing. Oh wait they are just pocketing you as town because you claimed. Ok that’s cool. I mean you claimed without even needing to do so

I just really like the setup and was interested in what power roles was stronger and what others would pick as scum. I don't see this as alignment indicative, especially considering the inactivity of everyone in the game at that stage. I think it was rb who was considering to go an act like a cat due to how no one was posting.

Funny how you mention my rb case lol. Are you even reading the thread? Look at what you are posting. Jesus. My rb case was not solid? His case on me was fine though right? The part where his case was just "vote lamees" SOLID CASE ALERT. And then he later still admitted that it wasn't serious, when he decided to take the game seriously he voted DVA. Then went back to "just vote lamees" and the funny part was the wagon was even getting momentum. No wonder I had claimed. Now that I think about it it wasn't rb that was getting momentum on my wagon. It was your case. Your false case once you get into the details of just what exactly you are posting.

You scum read me but TOWN READ RB for what you claim to be is a scum tell (the whole no substance case thing). Makes perfect sense

[Lamees]

I am not falling for malakitty's ATE here. She should be lynched. Posting schedules...

Anyway looks like something smart has got her fumbling over her own words. She first wanted to lynch leodanny, then got asked about leondanny and admits it would be a bad lynch and that leodanny is just lynch bait... wow (post 947)

[Lamees]

Truth is 951 is to actually prove a point where you have to decide if the person is lurking for alignment reasons or if they are just legitimately busy and trying to stay active in the game and using as much of their free time as they can

Yeah but, we believed you on the activity thing (I did). What you're doing is trying to use it to show you're town!

[Lamees]

Anyway looks like something smart has got her fumbling over her own words. She first wanted to lynch leodanny, then got asked about leondanny and admits it would be a bad lynch and that leodanny is just lynch bait... wow (post 947)

Honestly I think that's perfectly consistent with her listing Leo as a possible suspect but not voting him despite him having the largest wagon.

Dunn feels like he's trying to instigate Mala on page 39

Fair enough. What do you make of her AtE. Do you agree that scum cannot be busy? Does linking schedules prove town alignment?

If she survives to end game and is scum, do you think she'll just pop in now and then to defend herself with more proof that she's busy and will this be enough to win as scum? Or would she actually need to try to push wagons on town players?

[Lamees]

Something_Smart. What do you make of mine and Thor's earlier and recent exchanges?

The potential inconsistency stuff or earlier things? Because your recent discussion seems like a small thing that you are making big for no reason.

Fair enough. What do you make of her AtE. Do you agree that scum cannot be busy? Does linking schedules prove town alignment?

If she survives to end game and is scum, do you think she'll just pop in now and then to defend herself with more proof that she's busy and will this be enough to win as scum? Or would she actually need to try to push wagons on town players?

I can't imagine that she actually said that scum can't be busy. That would be an absolutely moronic claim, and it sounds like the strawest of men. Linking schedules proves that she's genuinely frustrated about being scumread for activity, which means that her activity is not alignment indicative.

I can't really answer that last question. Busy or not, she does have a responsibility to play the game (or else replace out). It depends on how the game goes whether she might be able to skate by without doing enough. Regardless though, we should be reading her on what she has done and not assuming that she's ducking the thread if she doesn't post as much as you wish she would.

Not a strawman because I didnt call anyone out on activity. My case on malakitty had nothing to do with activity. She included activity as a defense with the line that she is town. That to me clearly is trying to say that because she is busy she is town. Her defense was "enjoy lynching town" with a post of schedule.

Since I already believed (and I assumed everyone did) that she was legit busy, why did she use it as a defense? It's an appeal to emotion.

[Lamees]

You said "Do you agree that scum cannot be busy?" That really sounds like you're suggesting that somebody said that scum cannot be busy.

And when she quoted her schedule she directly stated that she was responding to Auro's point #4, in which Auro directly suggests that he thinks her lack of activity is scum-motivated.

If I'm pushing a case that has nothing to do with activity and someone links activity what am I supposed to do? I can either answer with "so what" since it really had no context. Or I can try to assume why exactly is this even in the defense? My assumption was that she was suggesting (not outright claiming) that because of her schedule (which isn't alignment indicative) being real, that she is town, and not scum.

And if you agree it isnt alignment indicative then it's just an appeal to emotion. Which is a scummy thing to do imo.

But ok if others were pointing out her activity was intentional lurking and scum driven then I guess it makes sense to link the schedule. I need to go reread because I dont recall anyone doing so.

[Lamees]

That's a legit point from auro either way. Think I mentioned something like that too way back.

Malakitty needs to be flipped. Today if possible.

[Lamees]

Malakitty (L-3)

: Lamees, Auro, Dunnstral, Nako

Leodanny (L-3)

: Thor665, Persivul, rb, Egix96

rb (L-4)

: Leodanny, Something_Smart, DarkLightA

Thor665 (L-6)

: Malakitty

DarkLightA (L-6)

: bristep123

i really just find the idea that scum!mala enters the game, has reads and thoughts that make sense and that she continues the game the way she has if scum

You really just find the idea? What does that mean?

[Lamees]

Why do you have a headache malakitty?

[Lamees]

Why do you have a headache malakitty?

Not surprised

Elaborate

[Lamees]

0 days left. Not good.

[Lamees]

I won't be hammering

[Lamees]

There's no way the dunnstral wagon was all town. We should lynch from that wagon.

[Lamees]

I think the lynch today should be one of: rb/auro/dla

Reason being that rb in post 347 said the cop should investigate thor and auro. We now know there's a cop in the game after persivul died. BUT 347 doesnt necessarily come off as a scumslip that knows for sure that there's a cop in the game, which is why I didnt think much of it at the time (since I didnt know if there was even a cop in the game).

So either rb is scum that knew there is a cop. Or it was just a general "investigate these players" type post (cop usually being the go to role that gets used for example). Which is what I thought, but now we know theres actually a cop so idk.

Why I think auro and dla also have high chance of being scum is because they both pointed out that rb seems like he "knows" theres a cop in the game, which I repeat, I didnt think that was the case prior the cop getting night killed.

Mafia knows theres a cop in the game. So either rb slipped, or auro and dla tried to force it into a slip.

There might be others who pointed out the "rb seems to know theres a cop" but I have only ISOd dla and picked up this cop stuff.

[Lamees]

How would mafia know there's a cop?

Lol nice attempt at town slip.

[Lamees]

Mafia are informed of the town power roles in the game. They then get to pick their power roles to counter town.

So there's def an immortal and ghost in the game. At least the ghost is confirmed useless at this moment.

[Lamees]

Mafia knows theres a cop in the game. So either rb slipped, or auro and dla tried to force it into a slip.

Tinfoil. I mentioned it's a possible slip but isn't too damning, and townread RB inspite of it later. What was my scum agenda there?

No I am certain you and rb are opposite alignments.

[Lamees]

Actually ghost still useful, if they night kill me and at the same time possess the person I attempt to kill, I can kill a town player.

[Lamees]

@Lamees - vote rb with me.
I think Darklight is town.

Ok but if rb is town I know there's scum in auro/dla (or both).

VOTE: rb

[Lamees]

@auro, read post 347 and your post that follows (348). To me, after the cop flip, it looks like one of you def have tmi for that point in the game.

[Lamees]

@auro, read post 347 and your post that follows (348). To me, after the cop flip, it looks like one of you def have tmi for that point in the game.

Wow, so anyone who's observant enough to notice a TMI slip, you'll accuse them of TMI yourself?
So if catching TMI slips is TMI, my town flip means you're scum forcing a TMI slip on me?

If I knew there's a cop in the game at that stage (as scum) and TOWN said that there is a cop in the game (which they arent supposed to know). Yes I'd for sure ask/point out how he knows there's a cop in the game. Which is what you did.

[Lamees]

It's not so much that, it's more that if rb is town and happened to mention a cop, you'd be taking the opportunity to frame him for TMI because you know there actually is one.

Exactly. I think auro can see what I mean but is being dodgy.

[Lamees]

Mafia are informed of the town power roles in the game. They then get to pick their power roles to counter town.

So basically a reverse Stack the Deck.

So there's def an immortal and ghost in the game. At least the ghost is confirmed useless at this moment.

Why ghost though? Zombie seems like a better role, or even witch.

To frame and get townies killed by angel and guilty by priest. Zombie wouldnt be ideal imo, as dunstrals role could kill the zombie. So can angel I think.

[Lamees]

Like, RB's cop TMI slip is the closest I have to a grip on this game

[Lamees]

I assume not all 3 scum were on the wagon. I would suspect dla could be scum too. But just a gut feel.

Anyway today is the day we need to lynch the immortal.

[Lamees]

(...) If players don't believe I still get a smite. And if they do, scum will be forced to night kill me, and I get a smite.

But if you are pushing an intentional town lynch that is a bad play, in my opinion.

Exactly auro, day 1 lynch is the worst play to lynch angel. Because as the game progress the higher my chances are to hit scum. So they are forced to kill me night 1 if you think about it. (...)

Lamees why do you think you were nightkilled tonight?

I wasn't night killed

[Lamees]

@Egix: Thanks
@Lamees: I meant weren't

Persivul was town read by lots of players.
Scum leaving me alive for wifom to try to push a lynch later on.
Plenty of theories

[Lamees]

Read my ISO

[Lamees]

What you quoted in 1213 was pretty deep into my ISO so you are able to do that. You're asking to attempt to build a case or push a lynch. It's pretty obvious why they left me alive. So it's transparent why you're asking these questions.

[Lamees]

I'm confused by the immortal role. Which actions constitute angelic fire? Venge/Vig?

Angelic fire = angel smite
At least I think that's what it is. Vig shots shouldn't be affected by the target's alignment unless I somehow missed something about that in the setup details.

Well I can now confirm there's no vigilante in the game. Dunstral lynch was pretty bad for town looking at his power role, combine that with priest being killed too. Town has pretty much lost lol.

[Lamees]

Town has pretty much lost lol.

Yep, this is town!Lamees all right!

In all seriousness though, we shouldn't be giving up yet.

Yeah it's still 8v3 so not too bad.

[Lamees]

rb (L-2)

: Thor665, Lamees, DarkLightA,
Something_Smart

Malakitty (L-5)

: Auro

Auro (L-5)

: Creature

Nako, Leodanny, Malakitty, rb, Egix96,
Lamees, Something_Smart

im scum because i said a thing i say in nearly all the games i play when there's wallposters that i don't wanna sort

*slow clap*

gotta go to work now so no time to post more right now, but i'm pretty happy with how fast my wagon's built

I assume so, which is why majority didnt really react to post 347 yesterday. Only auro with a knee jerk reaction. And dla who then tried to push it multiple times more.

[Lamees]

I assume that you say something like that in everygame, not assume you're scum.

[Lamees]

VOTE: DLA

This slot is scum because his pushes for slips in post 686 and 832 seem tmi. Reading his ISO I see he also tried to link a slip to something smart. I kind of forgot the extreme scum suicide of the player in that slot before he was subbed in... why did we lynch dunstral d1 when we had a viable lynch in dla is beyond me. But ok moving forward.

[Lamees]

@DLA what exactly is wrong with knowing there is an immortal in the game? You think as scum I would out my own teams power roles?

[Lamees]

Yeah only zombie scum would want their own lynch. Otherwise it's game throwing? Who knows.

What I do know is that me assuming an immortal in the game is not a case...

[Lamees]

Yeah only zombie scum would want their own lynch. Otherwise it's game throwing? Who knows.

What I do know is that me assuming an immortal in the game is not a case...

I personally think zombie is a pretty obvious pick because it works pretty damn well in endgame. Unless maybe there's a sorcerer in the game as well.

There was a witch hunter in the game. Was. So dunnstrel could have killed the zombie for good. Also zombie takes the most points so choosing zombie could hinder your scum team mates.

@auro, me knowing there is an immortal in the game isnt tmi, it's just obvious that there should be one.

[Lamees]

@auro, me knowing there is an immortal in the game isnt tmi, it's just obvious that there should be one.

Because you're Angel? Pre-flip you didn't know there was a priest.

Yeah I assumed there is an immortal because I'm angel. Also remember priest has the highest chance of being in the game of all the town power roles. If you read page 1. Which kind of backed up my assumption. And also best to look at worst case scenario. Worst case is I actually hit scum and it is the immortal. Which is why I bring that role a lot.

[Lamees]

There was a witch hunter in the game. Was. So dunnstrel could have killed the zombie for good. Also zombie takes the most points so choosing zombie could hinder your scum team mates.

That's a fair point. In a combo with sorceress I can definitely see immortal being necessary.

Sorceress kills anyone. So don't know what you mean. And I repeat, I can confirm no sorceress in this game.

[Lamees]

Can we go back to normal scumhunting? I don't feel like sliphunting rn

Same thing. A lead is a lead. We should use the priest kill to our advantage. So I'll say it again, either rb knew there is a cop or auro/dla forced it into a slip.

If we keep pushing things under the rug as not really useful, we'll end up the same as day 1. We had dla lynch and players insisted to just forget about it, so people started "scum hunting" and lynched a super useful power role day 1 who was just trying to lay low.

[Lamees]

So now that that's done I'll tell you where I'm at. I think Lamees is a zombie. Read this:

Anyways I'll say it one more time before I move on from this claim. I do not think we should lynch me day 1 as 3/9 odds are low. I prefer a 50/50 or more and I'll be fine with my lynch.

50/50 or more means scum have already won.

True, sorry, town perspective here. Forgot how scum wins. Never rolled it in months.

So I guess closest we can get is 3/5 chance assuming we misslynch twice. Still way better than 3/9

But I really hope the immortal gets lynched before then.

This strategy is excellent for zombie play, and I'm guessing this is the current scum strategy. With a mislynch today, tomorrow will be LYLO ignoring unpredictable events. At that point, drawing a lynch more or less guarantees a win. It's also consistent with the overemphasis on immortal/ghost, avoiding the rather obvious choice of zombie. This, especially the ghost, is really strange before a cop roll, but of course makes sense with JOAT+cop.

That is too big of a stretch tbh. You hinted you wanted to push the scum agenda lynch on me earlier with the "why wasnt lamees night killed" question. (Which I am proud of because I assumed scum would push the avenue later, not this soon. I must be doing something right).

Then when I voted you, you flailed and made a really bad case about how "she knows there is an immortal therefore shes scum" which comes off as super rushed and illogical and over the top omgus. I also dont KNOW there is an immortal, only play as if there is one, because that would be worst case scenario. You saying that I know there is an immortal is tmi is ridiculous because that can only be true if you know there is an immortal. Looks like you slipped again lol.

Now this zombie stuff is not only a stretch but clearly you just desperately forcing anything into a case. You even admitted just a few pages ago that you are trying to get me to slip or something.

Super tilted scum, should be lynched.

[Lamees]

You saying that I know there is an immortal is tmi is ridiculous because that can only be true if you know there is an immortal. Looks like you slipped again lol.

How the fuck does that statement make sense?

If I assume there is an immortal. How do you know if I'm right or wrong?

If I state out of no where, no reasoning, nothing, that there is an immortal and I am right. That is a slip. I will admit that. But HOW DO YOU KNOW IF IM RIGHT OR WRONG. You have to know there is an immortal too.

[Lamees]

Spoiler alert: Gene lives in Ireland.
Spoiler alert #2: You don't need to know that to find my statement suspicious.

Nice try with that example but you quoted all my posts. So you can't misrep. It's in plain sight. Those were all assumptions by me and all have reasons for the assumptions.

Is it because I think scum will make optimal power role picks, that makes me scum?

You voted me a while back after quoting me with that kind of reasons so you obviously are trying to say I'm scum here. Can you say why yet? Or are you still working on it. Need more time? But that weird zombie theory? I think you should push that angle. It's the funniest

[Lamees]

You've been unreasonably sure that there's immortal/ghost in the game. You had

no

reason to think there was ghost, apart from that it was likely that there was a cop (it wasn't).
Your role claim of angel makes a lot of sense if you are lynchproof.

I included ghost after the priest flip. Dude you quoted me in the previous page. So you can't lie.

[Lamees]

Can we talk about the progression from this...

"Angel gets a kill-therefore we should lynch day 1"

That's basically saying I should gamble on 3/9 odds. Nice work.

And keep in mind these odds arent taking into account

if there is an immortal

.

to these...

If we can get rid of

the immortal

(high chance of scum picking this role to counter me) before my lynch/nk that would be great.

But I really hope

the immortal

gets lynched before then.

So there's

def an immortal and ghost

in the game. At least the ghost is confirmed useless at this moment.

Anyway today is the day we need to lynch

the immortal

.

---

If scum knows there is an angel and also a priest

(highest chance to roll) in the game then it makes sense for them to choose both immortal and ghost. So this gives our town power roles not as much effect.

Also this is hella suspicious

VOTE: Lamees

Here it is

[Lamees]

Chapter 1 - The faithless

...

Not voting

: Auro, Creature, Nako, Leodanny, Malakitty, rb, Egix96,
Lamees, Something_Smart, DarkLightA, Thor665

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 2 actions:

January 5, 2019 - 1:05 PM (GMT)

You have (expired on 2019-01-05 13:05:00) to discuss and decide on a lynch.

Here it is

[Lamees]

1179 is

after

1153.

I assume post 1229 was all the dirt you could try to dig up on this case? So where else have I stated I know there is a ghost in the game. And keep in mind I dont know if there is an immortal and ghost. Just highly likely and would be optimal for scum to pick. Since one is immune to my kill and to persivul invetigations. And other can frame for my kill and persivul investigations.

[Lamees]

(...)
---

If scum knows there is an angel and also a priest

(highest chance to roll) in the game then it makes sense for them to choose both immortal and ghost. So this gives our town power roles not as much effect.

Also this is hella suspicious

VOTE: Lamees

Here it is

Here it is

Ok, you said immortal/ghost but now think it's better to change to immortal/priest.

Yeah I assumed there was a priest, highest possibility for a town power role. Did I know for a fact there was one? No. Did I predict correctly? Yes.

So what was my angle here as scum? I just ouright slip to everyone that there is a priest/immortal or ghost immortal (depending on your mood) and make the game really hard for my scum buddies?

Why are my assumptions scum motivated? Scum already know. Town can only assume. I have been trying to figure out the power roles all game. Am i trying to figure out what I already know lol. Or maybe you think I am just acting. Fair enough.

[Lamees]

If there is a zombie we lose right? Since witch hunter was killed, lynching zombie won't do anything.

@mod

does angel kill zombie permanently?

[Lamees]

Actually, looked at the role cards again. There is another tiny chance of hope. There might be an emchantress, who can kill zombie and block it from reviving.

But I'm not sure if there's a zombie in the game even tbh.

[Lamees]

So what was my angle here as scum? I just ouright slip to everyone that there is a priest/immortal or ghost immortal (depending on your mood) and make the game really hard for my scum buddies?

I think you're zombie. I think you're lining yourself up for a lylo lynch.

I think in the zombie role card it specifically says zombie will not revive in lylo.

[Lamees]

Enchantress needs to stay hidden at all costs (if there is one, very unlikely).

[Lamees]

Btw good job of suddenly not knowing the dynamics of the roles you've spent the game researching

Trying to figure out if there is a role in the game is not the same as mechanics researching. I just read the role cards. Doesnt say if angel kills zombie permanently. So I'm asking.

[Lamees]

It's not one shot. It's as long as there is another scum alive.

[Lamees]

So what was my angle here as scum? I just ouright slip to everyone that there is a priest/immortal or ghost immortal (depending on your mood) and make the game really hard for my scum buddies?

I think you're zombie. I think you're lining yourself up for a lylo lynch.

I think in the zombie role card it specifically says zombie will not revive in lylo.

Yes

[Lamees]

Which is why I thought your zombie theory of me was funny.

[Lamees]

What. You mean you weren't openwolfing and forcing cases on me, but instead just didn't understand the mechanics?

[Lamees]

I agree that I'm better off lynched than night killed. This will prevent me from possibly killing town players. But I can be lynched only if there is an enchantress/another angel/another witch hunter in the game. At the moment I'm the only one that can kill zombie (outside of lylo, at lylo zombie won't revive but that would be cutting it awfully close)

[Lamees]

I'm gonna put rb in terrible town atm. Looked at his ISO and it is so bad idk how he is alive. Maybe thor is right and we should lynch rb. All rb did day 1 was derp tunnel me, after I claimed, he then derp tunneled dunnstral and hard pushed dunnstral with no case. Pushed a lynch with NO CASE OML, thing is, i dont think scum will be this intentionally bad. So I'll put it away as wifom for now, and just go with horribad town. Oh and he had a huge fight with dva somewhere in between, this was the only phase he claimed he was playing seriously.

If I wasnt confident that dla is scum then I wouldve no doubt vote rb. Dla's previous slot was scummy and he is recently openly trying to misrep me so that cannot be ignored. They could be partners though, rb and dla.

[Lamees]

wow people should join me on the lamees wagon imo

Herro y’all I’m going to be here later I skimmed and I see some familiar faces

I look forward to killing all of the scum for u

i townread mala

After 1 post, nice. Try to pocket the 1 player and first player that agreed with your agenda.

wow we should all vote lamees imo

new and exciting direction for the game coming right up

VOTE: Dunnstral

more dunnstral votes tbh

mala is a terrible lynch

because it's not a dunnstral lynch

more dunnstral votes please

VOTE: Dunnstral

wow join the dunnstral wagon imo

wow can we just lynch dunnstral

So this is the kind of play that has fucked us as town, we not only lost 2 of our strongest power roles, but he is also pushing a lynch on a third power role. Good lord. It's kind of game throwing if I dont vote rb tbh. DLA has to wait.

VOTE: rb

[Lamees]

Chapter 1 - The faithless

...

Not voting

: Auro, Creature, Nako, Leodanny, Malakitty, rb, Egix96,
Lamees, Something_Smart, DarkLightA, Thor665

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 2 actions:

January 5, 2019 - 1:05 PM (GMT)

You have (expired on 2019-01-05 13:05:00) to discuss and decide on a lynch.

Okay let's see here:
Auro - Seems town to me but could be a deepwolf
Creature - Town lean
Nako - Need to see more from her this Day
Leo - Possible lurker scum
Mala - Ditto from previous
rb - Slight town lean
Lamees - Town
Smart - Slight scum lean
DLA - Hs push on Lamees seems like scum grasping for a mislynch
Thor - Same comment as Auro

Gonna go here for now
VOTE: DarkLightA

Just vote rb, small chance he is town but we need to stop this damage

[Lamees]

Small chance is the new confirmed I guess

haHAA

[Lamees]

rb (L-3)

: Thor665, Something_Smart, Lamees

Lamees (L-4)

: DarkLightA, rb

DarkLightA (L-5)

: Egix96

Malakitty (L-5)

: Auro

Auro (L-5)

: Creature

Nako, Leodanny, Malakitty

Town doesnt pick any random player and just push lynch after lynch with no case and no concern for the players alignment. That is the scum wincon. Now usually scum try to be pretty smart about how they go about executing this wincon. But it's not impossible to just do it openly, as proven by your play, and you're not lynched yet. So you are more scum than town. I refuse to believe town can be this bad.

[Lamees]

DLA - Hs push on Lamees seems like scum grasping for a mislynch

A generally townread player who's a claimed PR -- do you really think that's a brilliant ML for scum to push?

Can you describe what makes Lam town to you? And why she can't be scum executing what I agree is a great strat?

We started 10-3, now 8-3, if we mislynch 6-3, one more and 4-3 LyLo. She's pushing RB right now -- if he flips town there's only one more ML to afford.

Now, she says this:

I agree that I'm better off lynched than night killed

*When*? She now says she can be lynched, but *only* if there's an enchantress/JOAT/another Angel in the game. I'm not following this logic too easily either -- I can easily see a scum strategy in claiming early and surviving, while scum knows that the JOAT flip is probable, and then use that to say it's a bad lunch anyway.

Can someone describe to me, why exactly claiming Angel is a bad strat for scum early on?

You're saying I knew the joat flip was probable? Am I even human at that point.

[Lamees]

How do I know a 1/13 chance lynch is probable, so I claim angel early. What are you saying exactly? I wasnt even on and didnt support the dunnstral wagon.

[Lamees]

Auro you're stating the obvious here, we were at 10-3 now 8-3 and 6-3 if we mislynch tomorrow. So? So now I am not supposed to vote? What exactly was the point of this post?

[Lamees]

i find it really strange how you omit the posts where i do point out why i'm voting the people i voted

i don't get it? are you dumb or just scum?

What I found was an in detail post of why you townread malakitty. Not much reasons for your scum read of me or dunn besides "bad iso".

Btw How can I take your malakitty town read seriously if you are firstly going to townread (she said hello) and then justify later when she posts more? Thats not a genuine town read at all.

[Lamees]

@DLA, egix, leodanny - vote rb

[Lamees]

Auro you're stating the obvious here, we were at 10-3 now 8-3 and 6-3 if we mislynch tomorrow. So? So now I am not supposed to vote? What exactly was the point of this post?

My point was that "Lamees is a good mechanical lynch, therefore her claim makes her town" isn't a convincing argument to me. I can see a viable scum strat in early claiming Angel. There's no point where your lynch is good if you are Angel . You said something like "I agree I'm better off lynched if enchantress/JOAT/Angel exists", but even if one existed, that logic shouldn't hold. I don't think the claim clears you; hence when you say "you're trying to lynch the third PR" it's bad logic.

I'm saying if you're scum, and you knew your claim would carry you to late game, yeah -- it's probable for the JOAT to have flipped by then. Or at least a reasonable assumption to make, IMO. It's not 1/13, it could happen anytime till late game and then you just argue you shouldn't be lynched. I think all of this is plausible for scum.

I said if I were to die, then, lynch would be better than being night killed. I didn't say I want to get lynched specifically if there is an enchantress/joat/angel left after me.

I pointed out that me dying, WITHOUT enchantress/joat/angel left in the game would be autolose (or cutting it close in lylo) if there is a zombie. As there would be no means to kill the zombie in one shot like angel can.

[Lamees]

can someone just do town stuff so we can PoE lynch

tia

Dw, mala will post "sorry guys busy" soon and you can town read the shit of out that

[Lamees]

too much effort

Color me unsurprised.

@Creature - if you really town read this dreck you probably ought to get back in here and defend the hell out of it. Otherwise it's an awesome lynch.

I don't really feel like defending this, but I predict he will flip town and I am usually right about that.

You have 0/1 lynches correct so far. That's not usually right to me.

[Lamees]

literally the only reason anyone townreads them at all is because they've claimed angel

i don't think a single person actually townread lamees on day1

No, there are a few scum reads BECAUSE I claimed angel

[Lamees]

I think DLA is right and Lamees is lynchproof tbh

Dumb angel to push because if DLA thought that of me, why is he voting me? According to this logic I'm being hit with, voting me is then equivalent to voting no lynch. Since I'm lynch proof. Stop please.

I am fine with rb/dla/auro lynch today (that order)

[Lamees]

You said if we lynch auro town wins the game.

Anyway I thought persivul was scum so I'm not exactly spot on either. I am open to suggestions.

[Lamees]

Also I feel like you do have some experience with Auro?

Yeah, scum lean

[Lamees]

A generally townread player who's a claimed PR -- do you really think that's a brilliant ML for scum to push?

Can you describe what makes Lam town to you? And why she can't be scum executing what I agree is a great strat?

- That's... actually a very good point, I hadn't thought of that.

- Some posts of Lamees's that make me think she's town:

1143 - Refuses to hammer a townie

1179 - I think it's unlikely a member of the scum would give any indication of which roles their team has. Even if the intent is to mislead town by saying the scum have those roles when they actually don't. (TBF I have seen that happen before - NFM 62 - but that was on another site.)

1221 - I've already commented on this one, but to add to what I said - would scum really be that open in saying that town are on course to lose the game?

I will say though, if I am wrong about her and she is scum who's only pretending to be an angel, then I can't fault her for being so committed to it.

scared to hammer is often scum for the same reason that people who sheep wagons are usually scum as well. scum rarely want the attention of being either the hammer or the beginner of their own independent wagon, it's the most polarising spots to be on.

so you've seen that happen before, and ime scum will often make mechanics talk because they want to try and covertly learn more about the mechanics of the game

yes, scum would fake frustration in order to look town? obviously?

last bit gives me the heebie majeebies

Yeah, timid scum would know the alignment of the player about to be lynched and thus not hammer to avoid the attention. One problem with this theory is that I didnt lurk and wait for the hammer from someone else, like a normal timid scum would do, I posted intent not to hammer, which would possibly gain even more attention than not hammering.

[Lamees]

yes, scum would fake frustration in order to look town? obviously?

It didn't read like frustration to me though.

He's trying to project his frustration onto others. Just vote him. It's entertaining when he flails.

[Lamees]

I think DLA is right and Lamees is lynchproof tbh

Dumb angel to push because if DLA thought that of me, why is he voting me? According to this logic I'm being hit with, voting me is then equivalent to voting no lynch. Since I'm lynch proof. Stop please.

I am fine with rb/dla/auro lynch today (that order)

Why am I no longer in the lynch pile??

You are, just not priority. Flip info > day 1 reads.

But you were on the wagon and we should definitely lynch on the wagon today because I feel there are two or three scum on there.

[Lamees]

Gah, I'm on the fence regarding RB.

His play reminds me a bit of town!Lamees from Newbie 1893, where everyone rushed a wagon on her cause "obvious scum lulz" and she was flailing...

I want to hear from Mala, Nako and Leo.

Except I was town and had no votes on me. I was game solving with no pressure and got accused of flailing (with no votes!) because I changed my reads and was just thinking out loud. Changing votes with no pressure does NOT equal flailing. Unless you think I as town just randomly decided to flail out of nowhere to gather a wagon on myself.

What rb is doing is AFTER votes piled on and we don't know his alignment. Therefore reads as scum under pressure who is flailing OR as thor pointed out, scum trying to distract/"muddy the water" with lots of different unreadable posts and votes.

[Lamees]

Tbh flailing is probably not even really a thing. But what rb was doing fits that word nicely so I used it.

[Lamees]

It's two completely different situations either way.

[Lamees]

rb (L-3)

: Thor665, Something_Smart, Lamees

Thor665 (L-4)

: Creature, rb

Lamees (L-5)

: DarkLightA

DarkLightA (L-5)

: Egix96

Malakitty (L-5)

: Auro

Nako, Leodanny, Malakitty

@rb to me your strategy so far seems to be to vote players at random to kill time. Then when finally an inactive player posts you'll town read them, which then gives you a reason to latch onto their poor, uninformed case due to inactivity and form a wagon and lynch on that. Imo.

That's scum tbh.

[Lamees]

take a look at the wagon compositions of yesterday and today, and then look at my lynchpool - there's a pattern there, and it's the one you should also be following

Thor is your vote. No pattern at all since his vote was on leodanny ysterday

Only pattern I can see you referring to is SS who was on dunn D1 and you D2

Why thor>ss?

[Lamees]

But you were on the wagon and we should definitely lynch on the wagon today because I feel there are two or three scum on there.

Isn't all three on one wagon too much?

Probably. If I were to look off the wagon only dla stands out to me as suspicious. Still would prefer to look off the wagon.

UNVOTE:

[Lamees]

Lynch on the wagon*

[Lamees]

VOTE: Thor665
1 scum between Thor and rb.
Hopefully, Creature is town.
Lamees did not die so she is also a scum?

I'm vanilla until I die. When I'm dead I get a shot. So how am I scum because I'm alive? I'm no doctor or cop.

[Lamees]

Why do you think that? I wouldn't describe my scum play that way.

By "that way" you mean specifically dictating the NK, yes? How is that relevant?
If you're scum and Persi's play was antithetical to your agenda, that enough is reason for you to suggest Persi as a NK rather than have to "dictate" it to your scumteam.

I can actually see why Persivul would be a great target for scum!you, apart from the fact that he seemed generally townread.

RB, who you're very aggressively pushing now, was townread by Persi.
I'm one of your "top scumspects", at least was at one point and I infer probably still am; Persi was townreading me earlier, and if it came down to one of us, he would've picked you for scum.

Persivul's reads has nothing to do with it. If he town read you and scum read thor, it makes more sense for you to kill him. For example (a previous game), not mafia night killing you night 1 even though you both town read eachother day 1. It just made his ride to end game easier.

Who is likelier to have chosen the night kill target should never be a case imo. Too much wifom.

[Lamees]

Volx time was limited in that game. I mean I can give more examples where lynching mutual town reads are much more beneficial. Heck I even did as scum myself and won that way. But I guess it doesn't matter. Because it can be anyone. Too much wifom.

[Lamees]

Volx time was limited in that game. I mean I can give more examples where lynching mutual town reads are much more beneficial. Heck I even did as scum myself and won that way. But I guess it doesn't matter. Because it can be anyone. Too much wifom.

I disagree, I think lynching mutual townreads is really bad scumplay -- simply because you have the superior option of removing someone who's likelier to vote you in the future. You maybe "won"

in spite

of killing someone who TR you, I don't think that alone contributed anything much to your win. My last scumgame I was only able to win by systematically killing whoever scumread me, if I didn't do that I definitely would've lost.

NKs are part of the agenda. You can't discredit the whole idea of NKA as "too much WIFOM", I think WIFOM could be applied to pretty much any argument in the game. Maybe not as sole incriminating evidence, but still useful.

That's too obvious for me. My style is different. Can't be transparent as scum.

[Lamees]

Like, RB's cop TMI slip is the closest I have to a grip on this game

I seriously doubt that's a slip. Sometimes people forget to say "if" or "hypothetically" or whatever.

Why'd you quote this?

[Lamees]

Yeah let's get a wagon going here. Only way for content. Worked day 1.

VOTE: malakitty

[Lamees]

Intent to hammer

[Lamees]

No idea. Just gambling. Can't really form a read on him.

[Lamees]

I mean it’s not like you’re trying either

This is a bad accusation. Compare my posts to yours this game (not just the number but also the content).

But anyway this is a busy time period for me and I haven't been able to properly analyze things. At least I'm here though.

[Lamees]

Thor665 (L-3)

: rb, Malakitty, Creature

Malakitty (L-4)

: Thor665, Auro

DarkLightA (L-5)

: Lamees

Egix96 (L-5)

: Nako

Leodanny, DarkLightA, Something_Smart,
Egix96

Let's just make MDS's job easier. We lynch leo or dla.

VOTE: DLA

[Lamees]

Everyone should sheep me. This "madness" is because of too many lurkers. Now is the right time to policy lynch. Either there is lurker scum, forcing town to eat eachother alive or there is lurker town and we are outnumbered anyways. Also the slot I'm on is obv scum. So feel free to sheep whenever.

[Lamees]

Sorry been away for New Years sans wifi and still don’t have too much time
I think Lamees is correct lynch tomorrow if we mislynch today. Apart from that I need to read more and come back later sorry

Agreed, so let's not lynch today

[Lamees]

Sorry been away for New Years sans wifi and still don’t have too much time
I think Lamees is correct lynch tomorrow if we mislynch today. Apart from that I need to read more and come back later sorry

Agreed, so let's not lynch today

Lynch town* today

[Lamees]

Who should I smite tonight if I die

[Lamees]

So you're going knowingly lynch someone that has the flu. You guys are heartless.

[Lamees]

Super fair. Due to the inactive players we can't even get the right number for a lynch so mod kill and end is better than ending the day with no lynch.

[Lamees]

VOTE: Creature
He got a prod.

Weird vote. The prod was for everyone. Even I got a prod and I was one of the two or three players who wasn't in the requirements of getting prodded.

Creatures defence is interesting though. Could be scum, but for now

VOTE: nako

[Lamees]

Succint aren't you supposed to be playing newbie games?

[Lamees]

I was not up for lynching leodanny today, but now I guess I'd be willing to lynch anyone.

Hopefully in these two days we can get something solid going.

[Lamees]

So looks like all we got is the persivul wagon. That's a shame. We are basically at the same spot as beginning of day 2. Nice.

I think auro and rb are the suitable lynches today. Both on the persivul wagon. The cop exchange is still an issue that shouldnt be forgotten.

VOTE: auro

As rb called for cop investigations on auro and thor, auro had a knee jerk reaction to it that suggested tmi. He tried to cover it. It's just not sitting well with me and it's the closest indication we got to scum.

[Lamees]

Firstly, those were made almost 1000 pages ago so I forgot about that. Now that you mention it, it's at least consistent. Don't remember giving thor as null. Misrep.

I do find thor scummy which is why I'd have no problem hammering him. The reason I said "no idea, can't get a read on him" is because it's more of a gut feel and I can't explain it. Can anyone explain why thor is scum? I've seen explanations and I gotta agree with thor here, they are empty to say the least. I still think he's scum though.

[Lamees]

Oh I typed pages, I meant posts. Also malakitty has the flu.

[Lamees]

Now if only I can get one. Since my town core was lynched and subbed out.

[Lamees]

Let's just say those were the two I wasn't ok lynching.

[Lamees]

What post was he lynched? I remember saying I wont lynch. Idk when exactly.

[Lamees]

moreover, lamees seems like she doesn't want to be on any wagon that ends up being a lynch. i can't figure out why she suddenly doesn't want to lynch mala?

so many question

Lol i literally was about to hammer thor and auro unvoted. Check your facts.

[Lamees]

I was thinking the same^, her avoiding wagons close to the deadline and pouncing on whoever was on the wagon later is a bad look.

Misrep. I gave intention to hammer thor, you prevented thst lynch from going through.

[Lamees]

Let’s just lynch Thor so I can get a guilty report on Lamees kthx

Are you claiming cop? Who'd you check night 1?