Micro 837: Joint Operation Mafia (End game)

[CheekyTeeky]

First!

[CheekyTeeky]

You just jealous.

VOTE: PenguinPower

[CheekyTeeky]

Don't do this




~Maria

[CheekyTeeky]

No, you embarrassed me.

I spent all that time picking out the perfect gif and then you swoop in and make me look like a fool.

You.

Must.

Die.

To be fair, it is a pretty cute gif

[CheekyTeeky]

[CheekyTeeky]

>.>

So Penguin needs a wagon methinks.

[CheekyTeeky]

Aw. You guys are a bunch of meanies.

[CheekyTeeky]

I claim jester.

[CheekyTeeky]

PP is town.

[CheekyTeeky]

Because I said so *flex*

[CheekyTeeky]

Nah I think I'll bide my time in the shadows.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Elbirn

[CheekyTeeky]

Explain.

[CheekyTeeky]

@Mod Are mafia required to submit their kill in their pt that they both share, or can they message you during the night?

This feels fake. Why would we care if scum submitted kills via PT or PM? Feels like a derped town tell.

[CheekyTeeky]

I think scum is in Dunnstral, DLA, or Wisdom. Clemency isn't exactly towny either.

VOTE: Dunnstral

VOTE: Dunnstral

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: darklighta

pretending to be greyscale with that screen name, clearly red or blue

did someone say l-1?

UNVOTE: cheekyteeky

why are you playing with fire there DLA

This. He's clearly reaction testing - DLA omguses him after admitting he sees Profii's gambit. I also like his wagon analysis but don't know why he would choose PP over DLA.

[CheekyTeeky]

10 is rvs
26 was a fake unvote
32 is meaningless

I don't get it

Ugh do I really have to force feed you? 10 shows his only vote before his fake unvote on me, 32 shows him following up his 32 reaction test asking DLA why he'd play with fire by being on my wagon.

Actually thinking more about it Profii could have been trying to lure more votes/a quickhammer onto me so it's not the towniest reaction test out there...interesting.

[CheekyTeeky]

@elbirn

first of all scum would know its nightless
Second, that question does have merit. Dunn wanted to know if scum can submit kills without the other scum knowing or not.

How does that change anything? How does that help town?

[CheekyTeeky]

Also if you guys get to lylo without a scum lynch then I'd assume one scum would be pushing the other around that phase.

[CheekyTeeky]

it changes how scum act and thus what we're looking for

How?

[CheekyTeeky]

Like seriously give me an example because I think you're full of it.

[CheekyTeeky]

cool you WK Dunn then.

VOTE: Wisdom

[CheekyTeeky]

cool you WK Dunn then.

VOTE: Wisdom

Why would one scum w/k another ? They are competing factions

I'm willing to think Dunn isn't scum and Wisdom came and defended him with an empty reason.

[CheekyTeeky]

It is towny for me to jump all over the place. There you can now read me as well as people very familiar with me (or perhaps better, people aren't very observant).

[CheekyTeeky]

Your argument isn't rational though Cheekz

How? Explain it like I'm 5.

[CheekyTeeky]

Good point.

I just feel like Cheeky has been scumhunting scumtells and not scum, with no regard for their implications. She doesn't seem to be considering this game's dynamics or even care about them.

...this makes no sense to me. You're making a lot of assumptions and shoving them in my mouth.

[CheekyTeeky]

jumping all over the place isnt the issue

What's the issue?

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't feel awkward like wtf is actually wrong with you people telling people how I think or feel. And why us the only person who is attempting to get blood out of this rock of a game the only person being attacked.

[CheekyTeeky]

Cool ignore me.

[CheekyTeeky]

What's the votecount?

[CheekyTeeky]

Welcome to Joint Operation Mafia you are a Red Mafia goon
Powers: You are aware that XXX is the Blue mafia goon and you have your own pt to talk in here besides that goodluck!

[CheekyTeeky]

i highly doubt the opposing scum share a pt

Why?

[CheekyTeeky]

I still don't understand why I'm scummy.

[CheekyTeeky]

Cases are scummy.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm getting pretty mad so adios.

[CheekyTeeky]

If they believe their own logic then I don't understand why they're accusing Profii of TMI before Clemency.

[CheekyTeeky]

I just don't think he'd make that slip as scum? But then I'm conflicted rn. I'm still mad about being bulldozed. More insight in the morning when I can handle my thoughts being manipulated against me.

[CheekyTeeky]

I wonder why DLA is claiming Profii scumslipped but is voting elsewhere.

[CheekyTeeky]

Why are two noobs sitting on me

[CheekyTeeky]

O_O'

[CheekyTeeky]

Clemency what do you think of the profii "scumslip?"

[CheekyTeeky]

I don’t think competing scum share a PT

the role PM literally says "you know x is the other mafia and you have your pt here"

why would they have a pt by themselves anyway

they obviously share it, that's the point of the game

No it does not say that

Spoiler: Red Mafia goon
Welcome to Joint Operation Mafia you are a Red Mafia goon
Powers: You are aware that XXX is the Blue mafia goon and you have your own pt to talk in here besides that goodluck




You are aware - that’s it

You have your own pt - quite clear




Derp

whoop, i think profii scumslipped

I'm referring to the whole "own" debacle. I think any rational person would assume the scum share a PT if they're given one. I actually noticed while reading the role PMs before that the links to the PTs are different. Even with this I assumed it was just a mistake and that one was used actively.

I think most people would assume "your own" refers to the two scum teams, as illustrated by Wisdom in 171. Defaulting to the opposite is suspicious as hell.

I think the sealing point, more so than "own PT", is "own PT to talk in"

It literally says "You are aware that XXX is the Blue mafia goon and you have your own pt to talk in here"
Why you would assume that's a private pt to talk in is beyond me.

It's not that hard to read the whole thing it was on the last page iirc.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Profii

[CheekyTeeky]

VC 1.2

CheekyTeeky

(2)

- , Clemency YyottaCat

profii

(2)

-, PenguinPower Wisdom

Wisdom

(2)

- CheekyTeeky profii

Dunnstral

(2)

- Elbirn DarkLightA

Not Voting

(1)

- Dunnstral

Deadline is in: (expired on 2018-12-24 17:54:11)

VOTE: Dunnstral

[CheekyTeeky]

explain theyselveths

You looked too hungry for blood.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Dunnstral

Why?

Why not? I think Yyotta is town so I'm not impressed with Dunn's only vote. Why Profii?

[CheekyTeeky]

Why is Yyotta town to you?

Just finished a newbie and she was a frozen wolf. Don't think she doubles down on her vote of me here.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Clemency

[CheekyTeeky]

She's frozen here...

Sorry to be clear - she's frozen as both alignments but even more so as wolf. Check out her couple of games to see what I mean.

[CheekyTeeky]

Why Profii?

Weird question to be asking others since you're the one who put him in hammer range

I'm a little cheeky, what can I say.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Profii

[CheekyTeeky]

L-1 folks.

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh lol he did scum slip.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: DLA

[CheekyTeeky]

Wisdom don't you think it's weird that profii assumed dunn was scum twice, when misunderstanding people's points?

cool you WK Dunn then.

VOTE: Wisdom

Why would one scum w/k another ? They are competing factions

Wisdom says Dunn is scum (114)

i was not saying dunn is scum there. I asked him who is scum.

OIC

I read it as Dunn, who is scum! Idk why

Let me re read my theory now

[CheekyTeeky]

I guess it could also be Wisdom that he "knows" is scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

If I pretend to be stupid will you townread me in all of our future games?

Oh I thought that's what was happening here already :p

[CheekyTeeky]

Reaction testing = Diplomatic immunity

Going to chime in and say I was of the opinion that both scum shared the same pt

Yeah what Elbirn said plus these two posts are pretty meh. First one is subtle shade on Profii in a way that feels like dunn knows I'm town. Second is to reinforce his ignorance of the setup after Profii scumslipped.

I'm fine voting there too. Could also go Wisdom but last of the three.

[CheekyTeeky]

He didn't walk back his comment?

[CheekyTeeky]

I think it's DLA because he was the only other try hard after Profii - plus he claimed profii had slipped but didn't vote him - looked like he was waiting for support. If you read thd interactions between them during the "scumslip" it feels like profii wasn't taking him so seriously.

Also remember that the other scum probably wanted to lynch other scum but didn't want to look like they knew they were scum.

Yeah maybe I'm wrong on Dunn. Think Elbirn is a bad vote.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yes he did.

From town never asks that question to that type of post is NAI at best to that type of post is NAI when applied to [me].

That's walking it back.

He's being sarcastic/passive aggressive towards Dunn from how I read it.

[CheekyTeeky]

I actually noticed while reading the role PMs before that the links to the PTs are different. Even with this I assumed it was just a mistake and that one was used actively.

Do you guys buy this? Like who looks at the links?

[CheekyTeeky]

He knew it was a scumslip because he knew there are seperate pts and then he had to look like he just stumbled across it.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yay.

[CheekyTeeky]

Why not?

Brilliant reasoning. Except that a little thinking reveals they should be interested in lynching scum from start to avoid a draw, and LYLO isn't actually meaningful in this game.

[CheekyTeeky]

Dude has dug his own grave tbh.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'll lynch Elbirn if you all put *Cheeky is right, I am wrong* in your sigs for a month if I'm right.

[CheekyTeeky]

cheeky your reads feel random as if you havent been in this game so pls

What? I've explained myself well and am a high poster so wtf you on...

[CheekyTeeky]

If you're so sure I'm wrong then just agree to the terms.

[CheekyTeeky]

you quote the posts that spew darklight obvtown and call him scum

So you say. We have different viewpoints, and for all you know we could both be wrong.

[CheekyTeeky]

Or you're scum getting all uppity on your TMI reads *shrug*

[CheekyTeeky]

yeah except your viewpoint is ridiculously shallow

So agree to the terms and prove me wrong.

[CheekyTeeky]

You have 3 options:

1. You take my proposal and I lynch Elbirn who is obv scum in your eyes.
2. You stfu and we do our own thing.
3. You propose a better lynch or even better - try to convince people you're right instead of just telling me I'm wrong.

[CheekyTeeky]

Lol oh so you're threatened by me? That's on you buddy, I'm just saying eff off/stop talking to me unless you have something actually constructive to say.

[CheekyTeeky]

Elbirn if you could lynch us all in order what order would that be in?

[CheekyTeeky]

So you're 100% on Dunnstral being scum because of his derp tell early game?

[CheekyTeeky]

VC 1.Lynch

profii

(5)

-, PenguinPower, Wisdom, DarkLightA CheekyTeeky Dunnstral

YyottaCat

(1)

- profii,

Dunnstral

(1)

- Elbirn,

Not Voting

(2)

- Clemency YyottaCat

Deadline is in: (expired on 2018-12-24 17:54:11)

You're all free to disagree but I think scum #2 would be on the wagon. This is why I think that...

- As scum I would feel pressured to look good or at least deter scrutiny by being on a correct wagon.

- There would be no reason to save my opponent. In fact I think it would be advantageous as there would be less of an associative trail.

I think Dunnstral, PP and maybe Wisdom are town, so that leaves DLA for me.

Ooo ninja'd

[CheekyTeeky]

- As scum I would feel pressured to look good or at least deter scrutiny by being on a correct wagon.

That's not a thing in this game

You don't win the game by looking cool for having caught a scum, scum know who each other are but aren't allied

You make sense logically. I'm just saying that's how I would feel if I were scum because I'd want to look like town and working with the town to lynch scum is something I'd assume to be towny.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok let's lynch in whatever order. Lynch me too for all I care. Gl gl.

VOTE: Elbirn

[CheekyTeeky]

Spoiler: Cheeky's stubborn shallow Profii+DLA bromance case

my approach to the game is that if we catch a scum somewhere, everyone will get excited and try and work out if that player was behaving in an unusual way in how they dealt with any given player, to try and make a case that there is a link between the 2 dudes, because that means we will catch the 2nd scum and win obviously.

So I am anticipating that scum will just ignore the otherscum for now, and consider lynching them later, reflecting upon the win cons:

I think Profii is offering WIFOM here. At this point he's backed into a corner and starts throwing random ideas out there. I'd be more inclined to believe he interacted with scum but didn't really push on them.

He pushed both Dunn and Wisdom as scummy and when the pressure mounted he starts talking about DLA but doesn't vote there. Which reminds me...

Cheeky went: PP, Elbirn, Clem, DarkLightA (yotta late arrival)

Then I went: DarkLightA, PP, Wisdom


Gonna go PP

VOTE: PenguinPower

Scum are basically serial killers here, so logically going for people on both wagons as no real idea how to sort this game

I would just as easily go DLA tbh

I asked him why PP over DLA and he never responded. According to his reasoning DLA would've been a decent vote too. Then there's these weird interactions:

How serious is your pp vote from 1 to 10?

about a 3 at a push?

on a scale of 1 - 10 how likely do you think I flip scum DLA

Are you scum?

Yeah

Then vote stays I guess

No we should lynch the other scum first, do me later

Both scumplained:

and the fact there is no night kill this means scum have to achieve 8 mislynches without getting caught - that's pretty tough!

I may be missing something but it seems like over 2/3 chance town win, no?

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: DLA

[CheekyTeeky]

I'll hammer whoever. PP if you keep lurking I'll rescind my townread.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Yyotta

[CheekyTeeky]

Where is Clemency

[CheekyTeeky]

Can you vote plz

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Elbirn

One more lynch til xmas.

[CheekyTeeky]

PP, Yyotta, DLA vote Elbirn plz so we can lynch!

[CheekyTeeky]

So I get a juicy flip for xmas

[CheekyTeeky]

I still think I'm right but the gloom brothers want it their way. As I see it we win at some point in whatever order people lynch in.

[CheekyTeeky]

If we still manage to lose Imma laugh my head off.

[CheekyTeeky]

XD

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm sorry if that was abusive I hope you all have a lovely game I'm just frustrated

Sorry Elbirn fwiw I wouldve traded places with you if people were that way inclined and I knew you wanted to stay. I have registered your bet for scum in Dunn/DLA.

[CheekyTeeky]

I think we give Wisdom/Dunn one more shot at scum and then we start lynching them. Of the two I think Wisdom is more likely so my bet is wisdom/DLA with the latter my own preference. I think scum will become obvious with what wagons get pushed/resisted next.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah it's twilight I think. Oh please explain

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah. We should just lynch everyone.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ooo ooo pick me.

[CheekyTeeky]

Also don't assume PP is town.

[CheekyTeeky]

sounds easy

why is profii town

10 is rvs
26 was a fake unvote
32 is meaningless

I don't get it

VOTE: cheeky

i dont have a townread on dunn

I just didn't like cheeky's implication that it was a forced towntell
I saw it as a legit question

I don’t think we are supposed to give away our scum status so early dude >.<

oh great you

know

I'm going to switch, right?

What did you mean here Yyotta?

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh snap. Ignore all the wisdom crap.

[CheekyTeeky]

Also don't assume PP is town.

But you are...

Yes but if it gets down to you or Clemency I will probably choose you lol. This is my preferred order.

DLA > Yyotta > Wisdom = Dunn > PP > Clemency.

I think game probably ends after the first two if it doesn't then idfk lol.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: DLA

[CheekyTeeky]

wait why am i the last lynch
i've been lurking like hell
i've done nothing of use this game

I just don't see you having an agenda with your reactions to the lynches. I could be wrong but that's my current take.

[CheekyTeeky]

Wisdom you killed my townread so...yeah let's not listen to you.

[CheekyTeeky]

Voting might make the game less boring

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah that was pretty bad.

VOTE: Yyotta L-1.

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh no it's L-2. I thought Dunn was voting. Dunn why aren't you voting?

[CheekyTeeky]

... it's only 4 to lynch now so yeah L-1. >.> I'm paying attention. Promise.

[CheekyTeeky]

Do we revenge kill Wisdom now or do we finally get DLA? I don't mind dying either.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: CheekyTeeky freeeedom

[CheekyTeeky]

I just want to know who's scum. Trying to get lynches that I want or people to participate properly is like banging my face into a wall of nails this game.

[CheekyTeeky]

Like why was Dunn unvoting instead of moving his vote? He was also a bit shady on his DLA vote/unvote when DLA suspected him.

Wisdom is a bit bull headed to be scum but Ill never understand how you insta-townread Dunn and defended him for a nothing reason early game.

DLA I've talked about.

Penguin could go either way. I just don't see how he plans to win this way, Clemency is in the same boat.

I feel it's still more likely scum are maneuvering the lynches/resisting some in preference for others because they can lynch others down the line.

Someone should do some VCA.

[CheekyTeeky]

VC 1.Lynch

profii

(5)

-, PenguinPower, Wisdom, DarkLightA CheekyTeeky Dunnstral

YyottaCat

(1)

- profii,

Dunnstral

(1)

- Elbirn,

Not Voting

(2)

- Clemency YyottaCat

Deadline is in: (expired on 2018-12-24 17:54:11)

VC 2.lynch

Elbirn

(5)

-Wisdom, Dunnstral, Clemency , CheekyTeeky DarkLightA

DarkLightA

(2)

- PenguinPower, YyottaCat

Dunnstral

(1)

- Elbirn

Not Voting

(0)

-

Deadline is in: (expired on 2018-12-30 12:31:49)

VC 3.lynch

YyottaCat

(4)

-Wisdom, DarkLightA, CheekyTeeky, PenguinPower

DarkLightA

(1)

- YyottaCat

Not Voting

(2)

- Dunnstral, Clemency

Deadline is in: (expired on 2018-12-30 12:31:49)

I still believe scum was on the first scum wagon.

I'd go DLA->Dunn->PP->wisdom->Clemency now.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ugh. Just kill me you stubborn head. In fact that's the perfect scum lynch list. By the time you get to lylo everyone is going to think you're too ballsy to be scum and you pit the two most scumread slots against each other

[CheekyTeeky]

Wisdom is either wllingly or unintentionally leading us to a town loss. DLA sheeping him again is ridiculous.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: DLA

[CheekyTeeky]

I'd be happy moving wisdom up to today. It would help with the Dunn/DLA reads.

VOTE: Wisdom

[CheekyTeeky]

If he's town I'll sheep his read on Dunn and get rid of DLA asap. If he's scum then gg.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah until he pushed his reads again. You'd think being wrong on his first two post-scum lynches would've given him some pause. I agreed to lynch his first two scumreads because I was stupid enough to think he'd rethink his DLA/Dunn reads or listen to someone else. Now he's just blatantly pushing a scum agenda.

[CheekyTeeky]

Assuming Wisdom flips town I can believe Dunn is town based on the profii/Dunn interactions plus he didn't sheep Wisdom last lynch. I can't believe DLA is silly enough to continue sheeping Wisdom as town.

[CheekyTeeky]

Mm cheekys scum

You should've built another crap case on me instead of sheeping the blind.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Elbirn

Elbirn is obvtown

Explain.

I think PP is probably town.


Wisdom
Cheeky
PP
---
Elbirn
---
Clemency
Yyotta
Dunnstral

In that order

VOTE: Elbirn

Merry christmas

dude you're so roasted once noone else is here for you to sheep/hide behind.

[CheekyTeeky]

It's no secret I've wanted Wisdom/DLA dead for a while. I'm not pushing anything new.

Why are two noobs sitting on me

VOTE: DLA

I guess it could also be Wisdom that he "knows" is scum.

Reaction testing = Diplomatic immunity

Going to chime in and say I was of the opinion that both scum shared the same pt

Yeah what Elbirn said plus these two posts are pretty meh. First one is subtle shade on Profii in a way that feels like dunn knows I'm town. Second is to reinforce his ignorance of the setup after Profii scumslipped.

I'm fine voting there too. Could also go Wisdom but last of the three.

I think it's DLA because he was the only other try hard after Profii - plus he claimed profii had slipped but didn't vote him - looked like he was waiting for support. If you read thd interactions between them during the "scumslip" it feels like profii wasn't taking him so seriously.

Also remember that the other scum probably wanted to lynch other scum but didn't want to look like they knew they were scum.

Yeah maybe I'm wrong on Dunn. Think Elbirn is a bad vote.

you quote the posts that spew darklight obvtown and call him scum

So you say. We have different viewpoints, and for all you know we could both be wrong.

Or you're scum getting all uppity on your TMI reads *shrug*

I think we give Wisdom/Dunn one more shot at scum and then we start lynching them. Of the two I think Wisdom is more likely so my bet is wisdom/DLA with the latter my own preference. I think scum will become obvious with what wagons get pushed/resisted next.

VOTE: DLA

Do we revenge kill Wisdom now or do we finally get DLA? I don't mind dying either.

[CheekyTeeky]

I think we give Wisdom/Dunn one more shot at scum and then we start lynching them. Of the two I think Wisdom is more likely so my bet is wisdom/DLA with the latter my own preference. I think scum will become obvious with what wagons get pushed/resisted next.

Then why was Wisdom after both Dunn and me in your lynch order until he tried to spearhead again?

Because I fell for the same thing Elbirn did.

[CheekyTeeky]

i'm voting wisdom and then cheeky
two most likely scum
VOTE: wisdom

This is town Clemency.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah it's twilight I think. Oh please explain

If memory serves he was the primary force behind both mine and profii wagons. I dont see scum immediately pile driving the other scum, nor strongarming a follow up lynch. It's too bold for this setup. I know that's not a lot to go on but yeah. Hes also sort of trapping himself by deducing a large town bloc, I think if he were scum thatd be a death sentence

This is about Wisdom.

[CheekyTeeky]

He's right it looks too bold but that's WIFOM. Also his townbloc is stupid and based on nothing but will serve him well should he end game.

[CheekyTeeky]

you haven't even seen town clemency, sunshine

Exactly. This isn't your scumgame sweet cheeks.

[CheekyTeeky]

No way would you push me for scum. It's the same reason I initially townread yyotta. Her doubling down on voting me. You two are both timid scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

you haven't seen my proper scumgame either, sweetheart

Well I hope to see it one day.

[CheekyTeeky]

Dunn why did you unvote yesterday instead of moving your vote?

[CheekyTeeky]

there's no reason for mafia to be pushing other peoples lynches, t heir primary goal is to make sure they themself isn't lynched

You mean like this?

VOTE: DarkLightA

Don't mind lynching every idiot here, we've got plenty

VOTE: Elbirn

DarkLight the rest of your reads are all good just lynch anyone else

[CheekyTeeky]

Clemency why not DLA?

[CheekyTeeky]

Well the sooner that scum infested manblock is broken the better.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah like exile instead of lynch. I've forgotten how violent it all is I've become immune to the jargon.

[CheekyTeeky]

i'm voting wisdom and then cheeky
two most likely scum
VOTE: wisdom

Well your troll game has improved

[CheekyTeeky]

Uh don't know where the quote came from.

[CheekyTeeky]

there's no reason for mafia to be pushing other peoples lynches, t heir primary goal is to make sure they themself isn't lynched

You mean like this?

VOTE: DarkLightA

Don't mind lynching every idiot here, we've got plenty

VOTE: Elbirn

DarkLight the rest of your reads are all good

just lynch anyone else

Looks like I'm pushing lynches to me

Oh? I didn't realise telling someone to lynch ANYONE EXCEPT YOU was pushing lunches.

[CheekyTeeky]

personally i dont but im certain we're going to lose after im dead

theyre going to lynch you and dla and then cheeky will derp in 3p

I'm pretty certain we lose with you alive. You're not compromising at all, not considering anything but resorting to attacking people who are actually trying to solve the game. Your stubborness and inability to see where your reads have gone wrong are anti-town at best. I've not seen you question your DLA read for a moment, even when he's still sheeping you after two stupid mislynches. That's not a normal expectation to have here, that others would just continue you to sheep you until you're wrong. You should be questionning and readjusting your reads as town. Dunn and DLA should also be more suspicious. Something here is not right and if you can't see it then I'll let others judge who's derping here.

Please try and explain your reads if you're town instead of just brute forcing a win and calling any opposition stupid. I'm done mislynching people to prove I'm right.

[CheekyTeeky]

Once again, scum don't need to be going hard scoring mislynches here, they just need to not be lynched themself

I don't see any reads here in your generic statement. Could you apply that to our current circumstances and explain why you scumread penguin and what your read is on DLA?

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok so can you rank your preferred order?

[CheekyTeeky]

My townreads are Cheeky/Wisdom/Penguin Power, I'm not seeing Dark as lock town

VOTE: DarkLightA

Don't mind lynching every idiot here, we've got plenty

VOTE: Elbirn

DarkLight the rest of your reads are all good just lynch anyone else

VOTE: DarkLightA

Brute force I guess

These are all of Dunnstral's posts talking about DLA I don't see a read here. Why were you ok lynching him twice but now you need to lynch Clemency? Why is Clemency scum?

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Dunn

So looking at today - scum would be under pressure to choose a side except we aren't in deadlock which indicates to me that scum wants Wisdom lynched. Dunn vanity voting here is bs and pointless.

[CheekyTeeky]

Put it this way:

VC 4.1

Wisdom

(3)

- CheekyTeeky PenguinPower Clemency

PenguinPower

(2)

- Wisdom DarkLightA

Clemency

(1)

- Dunnstral

Not Voting

(0)

-

Deadline is in: (expired on 2019-01-06 16:47:08)

What happens if we reach deadline?

If the deadline is reached before the lynch has reached, the day will end with the player with the most votes being lynched. In the case of a tie the player who reached the most votes first will die.

Dunn votes Clemency rather than PP which would have had two sides deadlocked. If he really wanted Wisdom to live he would have voted PP with a chance that Clemency or I would hammer. Instead he appears not to care that one of his townblock will be lynched at deadline.

I've been watching to see if anyone defected from the Wisdom/Dunn/DLA vs Cheeky/Penguin/Clemency power struggle and I think Dunn passively allowing Wisdom to be lynched is pretty telling.

[CheekyTeeky]

The problem is that I don't see how Dunn lives past today with this move. He effectively lets me continue with my voting support - and he knows I will vote him before others in my lynch order. BUT if he thinks people will lynch me after Wisdom (as Clemency said) then I guess that nullifies the power balance issue.

[CheekyTeeky]

If the deadline is reached before the lynch has reached, the day will end with the player with the most votes being lynched. In the case of a tie the player who reached the most votes first will die.

[CheekyTeeky]

He was being lynched via plurality at deadline.

[CheekyTeeky]

And you knew that. Because you asked the question...now you're just pretending you didn't...

[CheekyTeeky]

Why is Dunn "passively lynching" Wisdom scum indicative?

Because town wins with all of their strong townreads alive. All we have to do is keep people we are sure are town alive.

Yeah it's a long way to the day ending but Dunn said it himself - noone is going to hammer Wisdom and if today went like the previous days - Wisdom being a wagon wasn't going to change.

[CheekyTeeky]

Also I'm pretty sure Clemency is town.

[CheekyTeeky]

I want Wisdom to die for his resistance to my ideal wagons. I want DLA because of his D1 strongly pointing to scum. I want Dunn because he has done some dodgy shizz and he's been suspected by people we've lynched.

VOTE: Wisdom

Which case is the strongest? No idea now.

[CheekyTeeky]

I want Wisdom to die for his resistance to my ideal wagons.

Like, this isn't a real reason

No it's not but lynching you or DLA will be easier with him out the way. I will move to DLA if others want to vote there too. If I'm wrong I'll stop annoying everyone.

Alternatively some reasoning apart from my own would be nice.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm not compromising on my only real townread. I know that's why you want to lynch him Dunn.

[CheekyTeeky]

Because I can't lynch you or DLA without lynching Wisdom first.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah why?

[CheekyTeeky]

how about this
help me lynch penguin and if hes town ill hear you out on whoever you want

See the problem is the balance in power. If I lynch PP then I lose one of the people voting with me and the next phase you will still have two sheep against me and Clemency. So you don't have to listen to me once one of Clemency or Penguin dies.

[CheekyTeeky]

Clemency if you're scum I'll be sad. I'm all in on you now.

[CheekyTeeky]

Doesn't it trouble you that DLA and Dunn are just sheeping you without care

For me personally if it came down to Penguin/Clemency PP knows I would vote for him so why would he still vote with me? If he were scum I think he would've defected by now.

[CheekyTeeky]

Look how about you vote with us - DLA first. Then you can choose.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok I'll lynch Dunn.

VOTE: Dunnstral

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't see how wisdom doesn't get lynched later if he's willing to vote one of his compadres now.

He did compromise though so I don't know what it is you're asking.

[CheekyTeeky]

Lol we're still over a day out so there's no need to worry about that. If Wisdom goes ahead with it this way he's outted scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

It would be in bad faith and I don't care if he does do that and town loses because it's not my fault anymore.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah I messed up :/

[CheekyTeeky]

Fine.

VOTE: Clemency

[CheekyTeeky]

Lol framed, you still are my top townread - but it didn't matter the other side had already won when we moved off Penguin. I'm fine being lynched tomorrow, I want whatever idiots out of dunn/dla/wisdom to take the blame at lylo. So lynch me > Penguin and enjoy.

[CheekyTeeky]

No you're lynching me. Stop subjecting me to this strange form of torture.

[CheekyTeeky]

VC 4.Final

Wisdom

(3)

- CheekyTeeky Wisdom Dunnstral Clemency

Dunnstral

(2)

- PenguinPower

PenguinPower

(1)

- DarkLightA

Not Voting

(0)

-

Deadline is in: (expired on 2019-01-06 16:47:08)

Wisdom can we talk about why Dunn is locktown?

I told you so. Don't forget to change your sigs suckas.

[CheekyTeeky]

It was a gross af question, the only thing saving him was Profii ragging on him. And if Wisdom can't see that then it makes you wonder.

[CheekyTeeky]

why is profii town

VOTE: darklighta

pretending to be greyscale with that screen name, clearly red or blue

did someone say l-1?

UNVOTE: cheekyteeky

why are you playing with fire there DLA

This. He's clearly reaction testing - DLA omguses him after admitting he sees Profii's gambit. I also like his wagon analysis but don't know why he would choose PP over DLA.

10 is rvs
26 was a fake unvote
32 is meaningless

I don't get it

Imma just drop this here to add to the paranoia.

[CheekyTeeky]

@Mod Are mafia required to submit their kill in their pt that they both share, or can they message you during the night?

This feels fake. Why would we care if scum submitted kills via PT or PM? Feels like a derped town tell.

@elbirn

first of all scum would know its nightless
Second, that question does have merit. Dunn wanted to know if scum can submit kills without the other scum knowing or not.

How does that change anything? How does that help town?

it changes how scum act and thus what we're looking for

it changes how scum act and thus what we're looking for

How?

Like seriously give me an example because I think you're full of it.

nvm youre right it doesnt change much for town

but i still see dunn's q as legit

If they can submit in the pt it means they can work together and decide their kills
While if they submit outside they might say one thing and do another

thats the general thought i had upon seeing dunn's question but in the end the effect in regards to scumhunting is little

cool you WK Dunn then.

VOTE: Wisdom

This fell out of my -pocket- too

[CheekyTeeky]

Wisdom don't you think it's weird that profii assumed dunn was scum twice, when misunderstanding people's points?

cool you WK Dunn then.

VOTE: Wisdom

Why would one scum w/k another ? They are competing factions

Wisdom says Dunn is scum (114)

i was not saying dunn is scum there. I asked him who is scum.

OIC

I read it as Dunn, who is scum! Idk why

Let me re read my theory now

I guess it could also be Wisdom that he "knows" is scum.

Yeah I'll keep spamming whatchu gon do!

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: DLA

[CheekyTeeky]

Dunnnn its up to youuuu.

[CheekyTeeky]

Or you know, wisdom could end the game here and lynch DLA

[CheekyTeeky]

Aw you made the same oopsie I did

[CheekyTeeky]

If I get to lylo I'm instavoting *someone* so you better lynch me today noobs.

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh great wisdom, who is it now?

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: DLA

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh fuck this.

[CheekyTeeky]

Wisdom wtf were you actually doing this game

[CheekyTeeky]

Because you didn't listen to me once. I said Elbirn is a bad vote - yyotta town, Clemency town, Penguin town. If you had listened to me on DLA earlier we could have got him out the way with my other townreads still here or even if you'd let yourself be lynched when we had you tied with PP we would've won. Instead you kept fucking interfering and now if you're town you deserve to lose and take the blame.

[CheekyTeeky]

I am scumreading both of you and that's why I'm pissed off. I have to be the one to probably fuck this up when I have been pushing to lynch one of you three since profii died. Like I actually hate both of you right now.

[CheekyTeeky]

Dla it's Wisdom that's why he can't see it. He had to pocket dunn to get to this point.

[CheekyTeeky]

well I'm glad you made my decision easier. We can quickvote each other tomorrow and at least Dunn will get the responsibility or the win if he's scum i dunno anymore.

[CheekyTeeky]

Dunn I need you to talk to me

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't want to fuck this up like I did in DDU in that pairs game.

[CheekyTeeky]

Do you think you were pocketed? Do you think what wisdom has done this game is outside of his scum range? Do you think he brought me here because you would lynch me?

[CheekyTeeky]

Vote him and I'll prove I'm town by not hammering

[CheekyTeeky]

Dunn I'll give you 24h to confirm me or I'm voting you.

[CheekyTeeky]

Also I've played with you twice using this account and another time with my alt.

The game I was referring to was the one where you and maria were a team.

[CheekyTeeky]

No scum cheeky waits for someone else to derp

[CheekyTeeky]

What's wigging me out about Dunn is that he said he was taking a townread on me to the bank - shades you after the DLA flip but then won't vote you because it confirms me. If he believed his reads he wouldn't need to see what you said or at least he'd ask you some kjnd of AI question instead of waiting for nothing.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm not this good as scum and I AtE a lot more. My town meta is generally more hectic.

[CheekyTeeky]

I feel like DLA is right and if you are scum you deserve the win but it'll annoy me if I choose wrong so I'd rather just not vote and let whoever is town out of you decide.

[CheekyTeeky]

You can confirm me too by voting dunn but just don't vote me because I'm town.

[CheekyTeeky]

Well out of you and Dunn you've played the better game by being proactive vs going along and sheeping. You've also maneuvered a whole lot of shit plays with only Penguin/Clemency and I suspecting you at some points. On efforting you'd win.

[CheekyTeeky]

Being unapologetic is also a point in your favour vs Dunn saying "oh no clemency was town I'm worried now"

[CheekyTeeky]

I have no idea how you weren't concerned with DLA/dunn sheeping you for so long through multiple mislynches and not seeing Dunn's posturing to the mod for what it was so I'm torn.

In that DDU game I mentioned I voted the player who had bad reads and lead a few mislynches. It's why I'm hesitating here.

[CheekyTeeky]

I think he didn't think he was doomed if he had you pocketed. Also his unvote/vote on DLA early was manipulative af almost too scummy to be scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

- As scum I would feel pressured to look good or at least deter scrutiny by being on a correct wagon.

That's not a thing in this game

You don't win the game by looking cool for having caught a scum, scum know who each other are but aren't allied

That^ was in response to me saying scum was on the Profii wagon.

VOTE: DarkLightA

Don't mind lynching every idiot here, we've got plenty

This looks like he knows DLA's alignment.

VOTE: Elbirn

DarkLight the rest of your reads are all good just lynch anyone else

He unvotes and successfully pockets DLA the rest of the game until DLA got worried at f4.