Open 742: C9++ (Game Over)

[TTTT]

Well here is how I'm thinking about the game.

We had near deadline two competing wagons, Lol and Reaper. Reaper gets pushed up to L1, reaper spews.

Then I get CFD'd, within the span of a few hours, which is glaringly suspicious because this game has been plagued by activity concerns and slow building of wagons. I claim cop, wagon dissolves.

Then we turn back to Reaper and Lol again, but this time rather than returning to a Reaper lynch, Lolwagons gets pushed up.

Which makes me think that all this effort was to prevent a Reaper flip. Reaper flip incriminates Clemency as well because he was the breaking point to make the Reaper wagon inferior to the Lol wagon.

If Reaper is town though, then we have to look back further and consider A50/Egix/Clemency stuff.

I like the way your tri-head is thinking here
I hate hydras on principle but this post makes me hate them slightly less

[Gnelf]

nope its just me, OkaPoka

its one person as the other two players lost interest/time/motivation

[Almost50]

Well here is how I'm thinking about the game.

We had near deadline two competing wagons, Lol and Reaper. Reaper gets pushed up to L1, reaper spews.

Then I get CFD'd, within the span of a few hours, which is glaringly suspicious because this game has been plagued by activity concerns and slow building of wagons. I claim cop, wagon dissolves.

Then we turn back to Reaper and Lol again, but this time rather than returning to a Reaper lynch, Lolwagons gets pushed up.

Which makes me think that all this effort was to prevent a Reaper flip. Reaper flip incriminates Clemency as well because he was the breaking point to make the Reaper wagon inferior to the Lol wagon.

If Reaper is town though, then we have to look back further and consider A50/Egix/Clemency stuff.

Oka, did you already forget the last game? The two competing wagons were on TOWN. Both of them. It just so happened that Scum were.. erm.. (ok.. how do I say this w.o. offending Gamma? ) and decided to shoot BEF who would have otherwise been hard pushed for this same exact reason you're stating here.

[Gnelf]

PP ended up being scum

[Clemency]

wait you're in this game

[Clemency]

@gamma

[Gnelf]

basically i dont see why we'd go through the effort of CFD'ing my ass unless scum wanted to avoid something else

and we ended up CFD but we didn't revert back to the top wagon beforehand, we went to LOLWagons. Maybe I'm wrong.

anyways i still think egix is scum.

[TTTT]

Personally, I'd rather TTTT over anyone else. I acknowledge I suspect both Egix/0verki11, but -as I said before- I don't know which of them is TTTT's p. TTTT voting 0verki11 may have been distancing on a p he thought a lynch would never go through on, or it could be starting a new wagon on Town to try and save a p (Egix). It's unlikely that it's both, so in my mind one of 0verki11/Egix is scum and the other is Town. TTTT is the common factor and is scum either way.

A50 - let's play a game. Imagine that I am suddenly mod-confirmed town.
Who would you encourage me to vote from this list:
Egix
Overkill
Clem
RoS

[Clemency]

pick me pick me
i love being the center of attention

[TTTT]

dude he isn't picking you from that list I already know that much

[TTTT]

someone remind me to come back to 827 like later on Today
please and thank you

[Almost50]

PP ended up being scum

iirc.. first serious wagon in that game was on Scum DrD, then the tied shifted to 2 townies (Koki & BEF). The fake masons dissolved the Koki wagon and a Scum!PP wagon emerged and gained momentum. BEF dissolved and a new wagon on Town!Tchill took off, before the PP wagon was redirected to BEF again and we ended the day lynching Tchill over BEF, both of whom where Town.

make of that what you will, or go back to that game (Here) to take a closer look.

In comparison, the first serious wagon HERE was on Lol (Town). Then Clemency, A50 & Reaper were all raised as competing wagons to Lol's but only Reaper's managed to be a true competing wagon. In between yours was a flash wagon and it died as soon as you claimed so the wagon that started the day was the one that ended up being the lynch.

Now why would a wagon on Reaper be formed as a counterwagon to Town!Lol's to start with? I don't see it. I do acknowledge you may have a point if you take a quick glimpse that Reaper escaped the lynch, but looking closely I think they were fishing for a claim and got one so switched back to the original mislynch anyway. I could be wrong though.

[Almost50]

And to make things clearer: This is an OPEN SETUP. One claim is enough for scum to deduce a LOT about the existing roles.

[Almost50]

basically i dont see why we'd go through the effort of CFD'ing my ass unless scum wanted to avoid something else

and we ended up CFD but we didn't revert back to the top wagon beforehand, we went to LOLWagons. Maybe I'm wrong.

anyways i still think egix is scum.

I ISO'd the mod and the most I saw was Lol tied with Reaper at 4 each. I didn't do my own count in between though.

[Almost50]

Personally, I'd rather TTTT over anyone else. I acknowledge I suspect both Egix/0verki11, but -as I said before- I don't know which of them is TTTT's p. TTTT voting 0verki11 may have been distancing on a p he thought a lynch would never go through on, or it could be starting a new wagon on Town to try and save a p (Egix). It's unlikely that it's both, so in my mind one of 0verki11/Egix is scum and the other is Town. TTTT is the common factor and is scum either way.

A50 - let's play a game. Imagine that I am suddenly mod-confirmed town.
Who would you encourage me to vote from this list:
Egix
Overkill
Clem
RoS

Egix = Overkill >>> RoS >> Clem

But you're NOT Town.

[TTTT]

A50 you are starting to grow on me.

[Almost50]

What is growing on you?

[Gamma Emerald]

Well here is how I'm thinking about the game.

We had near deadline two competing wagons, Lol and Reaper. Reaper gets pushed up to L1, reaper spews.

Then I get CFD'd, within the span of a few hours, which is glaringly suspicious because this game has been plagued by activity concerns and slow building of wagons. I claim cop, wagon dissolves.

Then we turn back to Reaper and Lol again, but this time rather than returning to a Reaper lynch, Lolwagons gets pushed up.

Which makes me think that all this effort was to prevent a Reaper flip. Reaper flip incriminates Clemency as well because he was the breaking point to make the Reaper wagon inferior to the Lol wagon.

If Reaper is town though, then we have to look back further and consider A50/Egix/Clemency stuff.

Oka, did you already forget the last game? The two competing wagons were on TOWN. Both of them. It just so happened that Scum were.. erm.. (ok.. how do I say this w.o. offending Gamma? ) and decided to shoot BEF who would have otherwise been hard pushed for this same exact reason you're stating here.

DrD was kinda off from his towngame
PP I hopped on rather violently
And yeah PO was wagoned D1, but most of the D1 wagons were on town
I don’t think that devalue’s Oka’s analysis though

[Gamma Emerald]

@gamma

Yeah
I thought you were aware we were in a ton of games together

[TTTT]

VOTE: ReaperOfSouls

[TTTT]

What is growing on you?

Y.O.U.

but that's NAI justsoyouknow

[TTTT]

@PENGY -- use your vote plz

[Almost50]

What is growing on you?

Y.O.U.

but that's NAI justsoyouknow

OK. I googled it, and NO I'm not getting to like you. (I was asking what the expression meant, because I've never heard it before. I am a non-English speaker, FYI)

[TTTT]

now that's just hurtful

[TTTT]