Mini Normal 2050: Serial Killers - Game Over

[LolWagons]

Hey everybody, it's been a while!

What do y'all think the chances are of there being a serial killer in a game called

Serial Killers

?

Oh and

VOTE: podoboq

cuz I can't decide how to pronounce their name

VOTE: lolwagons
Cause we should lolwagon lolwagons

Aren’t SKs not allowed?

I’m town so you must be scum to vote me

VOTE: Doughboy

[LolWagons]

I’m town so you must be scum to vote me

But I’m town so you must be scum for voting meeeeeee

Crap! You got me.

https://youtu.be/0fzcA3RSVTQ

[LolWagons]

Hey everybody, it's been a while!

What do y'all think the chances are of there being a serial killer in a game called

Serial Killers

?

Oh and

VOTE: podoboq

cuz I can't decide how to pronounce their name

VOTE: lolwagons
Cause we should lolwagon lolwagons

Aren’t SKs not allowed?

I’m town so you must be scum to vote me

VOTE: Doughboy

Why engage in OMGUS this early? What are your thoughts on how someone should go about achieving their town win condition?

I was curious how DB would react. We’ve played together but I’m still getting used to his meta.

I also figured it might be a quick exit out of RVS.

[LolWagons]

Initial read is that Dann is town.

I don’t like Mewtaph’s questioning, I think it was pretty obviously a joke and that the line of questioning comes from someone wanting to look like they’re doing something rather and logically thinking through to the conclusion Dann reached (about giving the answers away before a response). My intent was to get us out of RVS early and it seems to be working.

Vote Mewtaph

That’s L-2 I believe.

[LolWagons]

Rather than logically*

Sorry on mobile which will probably be a theme this week.

[LolWagons]

Oh boy. You know it can be obviously a joke and a reaction test to get us out of RVS right?

It’s the same as if I opened up with “Oh man why are there two thread links in my role PM” (which I thought about doing) or something similar. It’s an obvious joke, but someone opportunistic (*cough* you) might still try to pile on.

You’re trying to make two things that aren’t mutually exclusive, mutually exclusive.

[LolWagons]

The more content you generate on that vote about how it was scummy and unproductive, the more you prove my point that it was a successful attempt to get us out of RVS.

[LolWagons]

I usually replace in to games, so there really isn’t much RVS content on this account. If you want to go digging my main account is Slaxx, but that play is all from six plus years ago. I don’t like the way you’re setting me up to have to provide a game where I tried this exact type of thing before, when a quick look at my status shows that I haven’t had many games on the site. And I’m assuming you didn’t know this was an alt beforehand.

[LolWagons]

Okay, I can accept that reasoning.

UNVOTE: LolWagons

Wasn’t the easy push you thought I’d be huh

[LolWagons]

@Mod I’m voting Mewtaph

Which makes it L-1

[LolWagons]

@Mod I’m voting Mewtaph

Which makes it L-1

I have decided not to count your vote as it doesn’t meet the requirements. Please use ‘Vote:’ to make it official

Are you fucking with me? It was in bold per the rules. Does missing the colon really mean it doesn't count? Yikes.

VOTE: Mewtaph

[LolWagons]

That’s two L-2 OMGUS votes from Mewtaph now and we are on page 4.

[LolWagons]

That’s two L-2 OMGUS votes from Mewtaph now and we are on page 4.

Do you think there's an objectively better place to put my vote at this stage given who has been actively posting so far?

Oh it’s not really who it’s on that’s the issue here. It’s the timing.

[LolWagons]

The fact they came after people that voted you.

[LolWagons]

Ok, so now what do you think it means for the future of this game?

What do you even mean by that?

You flip red, I probably die N1. That’s the current trajectory I feel this game is on.

But it’s page four. So who knows.

[LolWagons]

Well, now I see you're suggesting OMGUSing twice is scum-indicative, for when asked to elaborate, you referred back to the timing; when asked to elaborate on

that

, you referred back to my votes following when another player has voted me (essentially just saying OMGUS is scummy). Is there a more player-specifc reason why you're scum reading me?

OMGUSing twice on people who have players on their bandwagons within four pages is scummy. Yes. Player specifics do not matter. It shows a focus on lynching those that suspect you and those that are also vulnerable to a lynch which is literally the cookie cutter way to play as mafia.

Normally I wouldn’t really count my wagon in the two because it was the transition from RVS but your push on it came across as contrived, in addition to being opportunistic and OMGUS. The subsequent backing down felt unnatural as well.

[LolWagons]

Tangent aside I’m interested in hearing Mewtaph’s rebuttal to my last comment in our exchange. I think Mbaki is town.

[LolWagons]

Feel free to feign interest the moment 4/9 players are willing to lolwagon me for bad reasons. You're going to end up short changed.

Oh, gross. I’ve been on to you since page 1. You can’t act like you haven’t been in my sights until the wagon lmfao

[LolWagons]

Feel free to feign interest the moment 4/9 players are willing to lolwagon me for bad reasons. You're going to end up short changed.

Oh, gross. I’ve been on to you since page 1. You can’t act like you haven’t been in my sights until the wagon lmfao

You definitely aren't interested in what I have to say. So don't expect cooperation from me if you're going to pop the old "I can't wait to see their thoughts so I can blow them out of the thread".

So you’re just not going to address me anymore? I don’t feel like I’ve been particularly abrasive or stubborn.

[LolWagons]

I'm not feeling the Gamma push, need to keep an eye on that. Especially Xtotm who only said 'Gamma is scumposting' but didn't vote. That's my thought anyway.

Bri’s apathy is a bit annoying but that a fairly Townie thought process

Sorry mew on mobile and am not going to one on one a wall but I haven’t forgot about your response

[LolWagons]

I’ll review later tonight. Keep getting side tracked.

[LolWagons]

I have glazed over almost every Mewtaph post this game. Just the way he types I guess.

Does scum say this? I don’t think mafia tends to say shit like this.

[LolWagons]

I think Mbaki, Podo, and Bri are town.

I think Dann leans town.

No clue on Gamma. Thought I knew how to read him and a game just wonder where I was wrong.

I’m hanging up the Mewtaph hat for now, I genuinely can’t tell if it’s a play style difference or I’m onto something but I’m willing to look elsewhere.

Bri made a good point about Xtom and I’m not parking my vote on a slot that needs replaced so

VOTE: Xtotm

[LolWagons]

Damn might have been wrong on one of my town reads.

Danny can have the slot.

[LolWagons]

Well give it effort or replace out there’s only nine of us

[LolWagons]

Lots of replacement slots are wagoned they’ll be fine. It’s a ten page game and the queue for needing replacements is almost empty. If you’re town you’re hurting us by a mislynch, and if you’re scum... honestly I’d take the win but it would feel super cheap. Just replace out.

[LolWagons]

Good man! No ones going to hate you for it.

[LolWagons]

I think Trekkie is probably town for going after someone most people thought was town but Podo hopping off his read of me quickly is a bit disconcerting.

[LolWagons]

It’s more the fact you checked my ISO this morning and now that someone is suspecting me you’re suddenly shifting to an opinion that I’ve only contributed in regards to the Mewtaph exchange, which is probably partially true but I’ve engaged with other players and have reads on them, so it’s more of a relative comparison (I came in very engaged and hopped off when things got less interesting).

[LolWagons]

I didn’t comment on the Gamma push because we just ended a game recently where I thought for sure he was mafia and he wasn’t.

I think I actually stated that in the thread.

I’m not going to pretend to have opinions when I don’t.

[LolWagons]

Alright, let's do this. I don't like color coding my reads lists, because someone accused me in my first game on site of trying to subliminally affect others' perceptions. So in order to make this readable, I'm just gonna use my mod color for everyone!

Towny

LolWagons

LolWagons entire iso is trying to interact and sort players. I don't think there's anything specific I need to cite. At this point, LolWagons is playing a lot, and appears
to not be afraid to disagree with people. I like this slot a lot.

You literally said this. It’s the exact opposite of what Trekkie stated.

[LolWagons]

You literally said this. It’s the exact opposite of what Trekkie stated.

I read a lot of disagreement from you with regards to Mewtaph. That made me like your slot.

Then Trekkie comes in and discounts it. He says you're not getting too involved, and I thought you were getting pretty involved with Mewtaph. So I find common ground, and ask him to elaborate, because it'll help me figure out what I think of Trekkie. Doesn't mean I agree with him. Just that I want to cooperate with him.

The fact that you're not comfortable with that is fascinating to me, though. Please continue.

Noooo you’re trying to reframe switching a position as offering an olive branch to a player. You specifically say I’m interacting with players. Players. Plural. Not just Mew. Now you’re trying to say my only meaningful interaction was with Mew. It is not semantics. Because I’d have a hard time believing that you would townread someone who you thought was only interacting with Mew. This is a position change and you’re not owning it.

[LolWagons]

And even after this exchange you could have been like “oh damn, you know what, yeah, I might be wrong”

I literally just did that on my mbaki townread

The fact you’re not wanting to own a reads change and are trying to reframe it is hella suss

[LolWagons]

Oh boy.

It’s not about the direction you read me (town to scum or vice versa) it’s about the shift and your unwillingness to acknowledge it until I told you that owning it would have been indirect better then trying to reframe it as “finding common ground”

Of course it’s a valid perspective. He has a right to think that. I selectively disengaged during the Gamma push. The difference between you and him is he fucking owned it up front.

[LolWagons]

I say lolwagons contributions have been lacking, podoboq says he can see my point, lolwagon says that podoboq is contradicting himself, podoboq says he isn't but that lolwagon's current behavior is scummy.

I'd color that with more nuance and detail if I were you, but that's a reasonable perspective. I don't believe "I can see what you're saying" = "I agree with you," so I don't see any contradiction. If you do, and if LolWagons does, maybe that's just a misunderstanding.

For the last time, the direction of the read doesn’t matter. Truly it does not. It’s that one person said I was lacking contributions and you completely 180’d on what you were SAYING about me. If I wanted to OMGUS or throw shade on people just for suspecting me I definitely wouldn’t have townread Trekkie.

Trekkie at that point had two sentences about how I wasn’t contributing and that undid your rationale on your townread on me. That’s a red flag. You immediately went from “he’s interacting and not afraid to disagree” to “he only interacted with mewtaph”. It’s not the read. It’s the rationale behind it that was apparently so fragile.

What bothers me is you trying to rope in Trekkie by saying you were trying to see his perspective. Yet you pre emptively started deconstructing everything you had said about me before you got more of his perspective.

[LolWagons]

The absolute best case scenario is your strong townread on me was so fragile that two sentences from Trekkie changed it. Then instead of owning the fact it was a leap you had to reframe it as trying to see his perspective. If you had really wanted to see his perspective why did you start elaborating on the read for him?

[LolWagons]

If you’re town you have completely blown this out of proportion, especially using phrasing like “attacking”

Like shit dude I wasn’t even voting you. And now you’re voting me for reacting strongly? Somehow?

[LolWagons]

VOTE: Podoboq

One away from lynch.

Ew. No.

I’m not for sure if he’s scum or a drama queen yet but this feels like you baiting me into a hammer.

[LolWagons]

Well he’s a drama queen either way but you get the gist

[LolWagons]

Wait is he even at L-1?

[LolWagons]

Not a fan of the three people on the Podo wagon. Does not make sense to put my vote there.

Also think sheep is Townie so far so UNVOTE:

I’m having similar issues to Dann in that I have a lot of town or null reads but I’m having trouble with scum reads.

I’ll reread the game at some point today or tomorrow and see what I can cobble together.

[LolWagons]

I don’t really like how Mewtaph comes in and just asks Trekkie to explain after Dann is clearly already pressuring him.

Still have too many townreads but whatever. I’m fairly confident I was right the first time.

VOTE: Mewtaph

Still don’t know if Trekkie pushes me as scum but he isn’t responding well to Dans pressure.

Podo/Dann/Sheep still town. Be interesting to see if Bri’s replacement towns it up.

[LolWagons]

I don’t really like how Mewtaph comes in and just asks Trekkie to explain after Dann is clearly already pressuring him.

Are we just accepting Gamma doing the same thing then

As I’ve said I just got burned by Gamma-town. Thought for sure he was scum because literally 2/3 of his posts were active lurking or defensive. Flipped town.

I’d totally vote him if I thought the case was good and I trusted my read on the person voting for him. But I’m not pushing a case on him.

If he flips scum I’ll deal with the fallout of not actively pressing him, it’s easier to do than try to read him.

[LolWagons]

VOTE: Podoboq

One away from lynch.

Those two things in the same sentence in the manner in which you've so plainly stated them makes me uneasy.

If you’re wrong about me and feel uneasy about him is there any reason you’re not actively pressuring this slot more than the above post? Or voting him?

I really didn’t think someone would come in and scumread me like that, honestly thought it was really ballsy to do as scum but the way you’re only offering what seems to be absolutely necessary to get through Dann’s questions is eroding that initial instinct I had to call you town.

[LolWagons]

I’d like an extension. Put all my free time into another game that just ended.

[LolWagons]

I think Trekkie is probably town for going after someone most people thought was town but Podo hopping off his read of me quickly is a bit disconcerting.

Did you think trekkie's read on you was valid?

--

I can't tell if mbaki's push on GE is scummy or not, but it's garbage either way. The fact that he came to the same conclusion, "I don't believe Gamma Emerald read the game and came to the conclusion his current nitpick is how he's going to find scum," but his next step was "therefore he's scum," doesn't make sense to me when that reads as extremely towny to me. Either mbaki is mistaking bad play for scummy play, or mbaki is just trying to justify his scumread without any real supporting evidence.

Except I'm

not voting Gamma Emerald

?

You don't have to vote someone to push or scumread them. I'm not sure what this was trying to prove

--

I think pod is town. I'd be fairly surprised if 269 came from scum

Well, I don’t think it’s totally valid, no, because although I didn’t interact that much with others there were people higher up on his reads list that interacted less. But it had merits, most of my activity was with mewtaph.

I really don’t like how he’s reacted since then to Dann’s pressure, most answers seem to give him just enough to get Dann off his back but not to really press the discussion forward.

My thought is that if Trekkie is scum, then he went after me because I was on to someone. Obviously the most likely candidate would be Mew, but I don’t want to frame my whole reference around Mew-scum. I just don’t see scum-Trekkie taking on the task of pushing my slot unless there was something fairly large to be gained from it.

I intend to look over the game one more time when I get back to my place and have access to a PC. Right now I’d be lukewarm on a Trekkie lynch.

[LolWagons]

Dann take a look at #45 and #80. Mew ISO.

Thoughts?

[LolWagons]

#45 feels exceptionally manufactured even compared to Mew’s usual style and he also gives himself an out with “in this moment”.

The step on to Podo also feels clunky.

[LolWagons]

LolWagons has stated he thinks that if I flip scum then Mew must be scum as well. If lolwagons is scum, he knows I'll flip town thereby making his claim that Mew must be scum as well seem less likely.

If lolwagons is scum, then my next thought is that mew could be his scum mate, and lolwagons has been going after mew this whole game using weak suspicions to distance himself from his teammate without risking accidentally getting his scum mate lynched.

Along comes me saying mew is town and lolwagons is scum. Seeing later on there's a chance I could be lynched, lolwagons says this.

My thought is that if Trekkie is scum, then he went after me because I was on to someone. Obviously the most likely candidate would be Mew, but I don’t want to frame my whole reference around Mew-scum. I just don’t see scum-Trekkie taking on the task of pushing my slot unless there was something fairly large to be gained from it.

In lolwagons ideal situation, I get lynched, and then the next day lolwagons says something in the vain of

"whoops! guess mew must be town as well"

and gets away with it.

Hmmmmm...

If you truly believe what you just said, call my bluff and vote him then.

[LolWagons]

That's actually supposed to be a scum case on me... mhm... ok. If you think saying "in this moment" is scum indicative then you're sticking your head so far out that you could reach your ass.

And if we're talking "exceptionally manufactured", or "clunky", that'd be your 10+ week saga against my posts. Let's take a look at this gem:

I don’t really like how Mewtaph comes in and just asks Trekkie to explain after Dann is clearly already pressuring him.

This is actually awful considering you're trying to push me and Trekkie at the same time. Then, optically you're suggesting that you are trying not to make your frame of reference around me being scum, which is a complete joke at this point. (I don't see it at all.)

So if you actually think that you are "not trying to make your frame of reference around mew-scum", then mate that's a massive obstacle to walk around considering that's complete bullshit lmao.

Liked the tenacity and wrote it down as town at the beginning but for ages now you've been wandering around like a lost puppy. I have no idea why your thoughts have been pretty empty, maybe at the start for a little bit, but even now, it seems like you're going nowhere new.

Nope, it looks like a pathetic attempt at distancing tbh. It fits perfectly consistently in with you and Trekkie being scum.

[LolWagons]

You said last time to get a raincheck on your thoughts that I was going to get lynched, flip red and you were going to get NKed. Bold statement, except you're proving that you don't actually believe in it as much as that should 100% imply because at this point you aren't even the main effort pushing it forward, I've felt more pressure from Sheep than I have from you the entire game, low key.

For someone that suggests boldness, I am not getting any of it from you. Reconsideration, no. So then what the fuck are you pushing? Your Trekkie approach is easily fakeable. Your approach to me is sus as fuck. I definitely need more than this before I just completely leave it and move on.

It's sketchy as; I need a good explanation or you can take my vote and run with it straight into the lynching noose.

@Trekkie: How do you feel about how LolWagons has interacted with you?

That was on page 5... are you seriously implying what I said on page 5 is still what I currently believe?

And why leave out the part where I said that it was only page 5 and who knows what will change? Why frame it like I was being bold?

This is a clumsy push.

[LolWagons]

I think the fact I just got thirteen or so paragraphs of pushback from Mew and Trekkie without them voting me after asking Dann for an opinion on a single possible associative tell is all I need to tell me that town is on the right track.

Trekkie’s suggestions that Mew and I might be scum together while not voting either of us even though one has a wagon on them is also pretty telling.

[LolWagons]

Ok, so now what do you think it means for the future of this game?

What do you even mean by that?

You flip red, I probably die N1. That’s the current trajectory I feel this game is on.

But it’s page four. So who knows.

My bad it was page four. Here’s the “bold push” Mewtaph is referencing.

[LolWagons]

Mewtaph literally asked me to make a bold prediction about the future of the game then 10 pages later used me being bold against me lmfao

[LolWagons]

If you truly believe what you just said, call my bluff and vote him then.

Why him and not you?

LOL

If you think we are scum together what does it matter? Why are you asking me for justification on

your

vote?

[LolWagons]

VOTE: Trekkie

[LolWagons]

And, for the record, if you do happen to flip town, that doesn’t mean that Mew is suddenly town.

[LolWagons]

And, for the record, if you do happen to flip town, that doesn’t mean that Mew is suddenly town.

If I hadn't said it first, I don't think you'd be saying that in the morning.

I’ve been pushing Mew since page 2, what makes you think you-town would abandon my read of him?

[LolWagons]

You said last time to get a raincheck on your thoughts that I was going to get lynched, flip red and you were going to get NKed. Bold statement, except you're proving that you don't actually believe in it as much as that should 100% imply because at this point you aren't even the main effort pushing it forward, I've felt more pressure from Sheep than I have from you the entire game, low key.

For someone that suggests boldness, I am not getting any of it from you. Reconsideration, no. So then what the fuck are you pushing? Your Trekkie approach is easily fakeable. Your approach to me is sus as fuck. I definitely need more than this before I just completely leave it and move on.

It's sketchy as; I need a good explanation or you can take my vote and run with it straight into the lynching noose.

@Trekkie: How do you feel about how LolWagons has interacted with you?

That was on page 5... are you seriously implying what I said on page 5 is still what I currently believe?

And why leave out the part where I said that it was only page 5 and who knows what will change? Why frame it like I was being bold?

This is a clumsy push.

No, but your response isn't very good either.

Do you want to address any of my points or just throw vague shade at me?

What about my above response isn’t good? What point of yours did I not address?

[LolWagons]

Well I won't say my claim isn't far fetched, but I like it so I'm sticking with it.

VOTE: lolwagons

So if I understand correctly, you think Mew and I are scum together. Mew has 1-2 votes (replacements are making it hard to count these votes) on him and you’re at L-1. Instead of going onto his wagon you go onto mine, which as far as I can tell, is empty. You don’t directly engage with Mew but you engage with me.

Am I on the right track here?

[LolWagons]

And, for the record, if you do happen to flip town, that doesn’t mean that Mew is suddenly town.

If I hadn't said it first, I don't think you'd be saying that in the morning.

I’ve been pushing Mew since page 2, what makes you think you-town would abandon my read of him?

Maybe you wouldn't. Maybe you'd keep up your charades all while knowing that people might take your claim less seriously.

That doesn’t even remotely answer my question. I want you to quote specific posts that indicate I have set up you two being scum together, and where I say that you bring town would clear Mew.

[LolWagons]

There’s definitely posts in my ISO about you two being scum together but I can’t find a one that clears Mew in the event you flip town.

You’re pulling shit out your ass.

[LolWagons]

I never said you set us two up. I said you improvised when the opportunity arose.

I also never said you said mew would be cleared if I flip town. I said you

would

say mew is cleared after I flip town.

So there’s almost 500 pages worth of content and your case for both scum is baseless speculation?

[LolWagons]

500 posts*

[LolWagons]

Do you want to address any of my points or just throw vague shade at me?

What about my above response isn’t good? What point of yours did I not address?

I have no idea how I'm supposed to adequately respond to posts like 441, 443 or 449.

To respond to things that I can address in some way:

I asked you what you thought the future of the game was to get you to set your read, and you decided to write it in stone with a prediction that I would flip scum and you would get NKed. That's bold, and not a misrep. That just screams of a relentless tunnel and I haven't gotten it from you which is why I thought it was uncharacteristic because your tone towards me over the past through days has maintained its sense of aggressiveness. So it makes no real sense when you say that you don't want to insulate yourself into the idea of me being scum but do so anyway. You said that things can change... but 432 and 433 indicate that you haven't progressed beyond me in reality.

So my question is, why did you feel the need to post

My thought is that if Trekkie is scum, then he went after me because I was on to someone. Obviously the most likely candidate would be Mew, but I don’t want to frame my whole reference around Mew-scum. I just don’t see scum-Trekkie taking on the task of pushing my slot unless there was something fairly large to be gained from it.

If you're riding out pre-flip associations (which is a deadly trap, ftr), then it makes not-much-sense to point out a pre-flip association and then say you "don't want to frame your whole reference around X", of which that X is integral to pointing out the pre-flip association.

So... you ask me about the future of the game and I’m supposed to assume you mean within the current day?
When someone asks me about what the future holds I typically go beyond the day. I think it was completely fair to interpret your question the way I did. And just because I said things can change doesn’t equate to me saying they would.

First of all, don’t lecture me on how to play the game, I’ve been playing off and on since 2010. I know what I’m doing. Secondly, I pretty clearly state that it is most likely you, but not definitely you. Meaning I’m keeping my mind open and trying not to fall into the very trap your accusing me of falling in to.

[LolWagons]

So there’s almost 500

posts

worth of content and your case for both scum is baseless speculation?

Depends on your definition of baseless.

You haven’t provided a basis for your claims.

Soooooo

?

[LolWagons]

i also think he does believe in what he's pushing even if it's kinda hard to see where it's coming from

I do not buy that at all.

[LolWagons]

If Trekkie was more transparent about how he got to where he was I would maybe buy that.

As far as I can tell he has no interest in defending his position which indicates it was contrived in the first place.

[LolWagons]

he's been under heavy heat for half of d1 now and earlier i thought he was basically guaranteed as today's lynch and we were kinda dragging it out before an inevitable hammer

he's unmoved and doeesnt seem to give a fuck and i think overall his later half of d1 has been a good look

mew meanwhile literally just slowly started to lay lower lower and fade alognside his wagon

I have the exact opposite perception. I think Trekkie started off town and looked worse under pressure as the day went on.

[LolWagons]

I don’t think Mew’s activity is a scumtell. It’s the holidays. For example, I’ve been mobile only the past week. I’m sure my posting habits have changed.

I think his content is still scummy, but if you’re going after activity you’re doing it wrong.

[LolWagons]

Honestly I want a claim from Trekkie if Mbaki is intent to hammer.

[LolWagons]

It’s a little crazy everyone is now active on a Christmas fucking day since I put him at L-1.

[LolWagons]

if trekkie flips town thats going to be super demoralizing for me on multiple levels

First of all, I don’t think he is.

Secondly, I’m not particularly concerned about your confidence level even though I think you’re town.

[LolWagons]

And just like that we aren’t talking about Trekkie anymore.

Not going to work folks.

Mbaki, are you intending to hammer?

If so, Trekkie should claim

[LolWagons]

If Trekkie was more transparent about how he got to where he was I would maybe buy that.

I fail to see how I could be more transparent. Lolwagons and mew are scummies, lolwagons was keeping his distance, I come in and say mew is town and lolwagons is scum, when it looks like i'm going to get lynched lolwagons comes in and says if I flip scum it could mean I was protecting my potential scum mate mew by calling lolwagons scum. I get lynched, flip town, lolwagons says he was wrong about mew. My claim is complete.

... keeping my distance is blatantly false. I’ve been on him twice. I’ve caught fire from other people for primarily pushing him.

Sheep don’t you think it’s odd that Trekk is pushing me harder even though there’s more clout for a Mew lynch?

[LolWagons]

Oh god...

[LolWagons]

Town: dannflor, podoboq

Mixed: gamma emerald, mbaki

Null: ofrhz, sheepsaysmeep

Scum: lolwagons, mewtaph

noone is listening to your reads, delete this, goodbye

THIS REALLY READS LIKE CONTRIVED DISTANCING

Am I going fucking insane here?

[LolWagons]

I cannot handle y’all lmfao

I feel like I’m looking up at a blue sky and everyone is insisting it’s red and made of cheese

[LolWagons]

HOLY FUCK YOURE RIGHT TREKKIE AND MEW ARE SO PARTNERY

Are you mocking me

[LolWagons]

Oh thank god you’re not

Okay

I was going to actually maybe lose a piece of my sanity

[LolWagons]

I know I’ve been on Mews case but I’m over it. Trekkie disappearing is the final straw. I don’t need to wait for his claim.

UNVOTE: Mewtaph
VOTE: Vote Trekkie

Hammer. Done with this shit.

[LolWagons]

I know I’ve been on Mews case but I’m over it. Trekkie disappearing is the final straw. I don’t need to wait for his claim.

UNVOTE: Mewtaph
VOTE: Vote Trekkie

Hammer. Done with this shit.

Someones in a hurry now that dannflor has shown up.

Nice scumclaim. Glad I was right.

[LolWagons]

Meh he’s still at L-1 and I think he knew that.

I was hoping for a towntell of some sort.

The good news Dann, is now he can answer your question. Right Trekkie?

[LolWagons]

idk

that could be fake or real idt it's really worth anything

Agree

It’ll be interesting for reactions if he does flip scum though

[LolWagons]

I’m reading a decent amount of resistance to the wagon actually.

Mew is driving you, you’re driving mew, Mbaki says it will be a couple days to hammer...

All this but there’s tons of activity right around his lynch.

[LolWagons]

As far as I can see post #80 was Mews last vote. I don’t think he’s driven a wagon.

Now he’s pushing you after Trekkie gets to L-1.

It really fits together quite nicely.

[LolWagons]

Keep in mind this whole thing started by me asking Dann about a possible associative tell between the two. And like five pages of content was generated.

[LolWagons]

sheep/dann/lolwagons

this is a towncore

i have other strong townreads but nowhere near this strong

You are not in the town core. Dann and lolwagons are the town core. Also, any doctor type role should be on Dann tonight probably.

Don’t tell watcher or w.e who to be on

[LolWagons]

sheep/dann/lolwagons

this is a towncore

i have other strong townreads but nowhere near this strong

You are not in the town core. Dann and lolwagons are the town core. Also, any doctor type role should be on Dann tonight probably.

Don’t tell watcher or w.e who to be on

Don't act superior.

Watcher will be on who they want to be on stop directing PRs

[LolWagons]

Mbaki says it will be a couple days to hammer

It wasn't actually l-1 when I said that and I think you knew that.

I actually didn’t. Too many replacements.

I did know I didn’t hammer though.

[LolWagons]

Sorry not trying to act superior

[LolWagons]

Dadv?

[LolWagons]

Don’t look up dadv on urban dictionary

[LolWagons]

I like Mbaki because he’s not afraid to make strong townreads but he doesn’t really buddy them.
I came out of my one on one with Podo feeling he was just frustrated town.
I’ve expressed I can’t read Gamma. My biggest townread (Dann) has expressed he’s town so I’m trusting that for now.

I don’t really feel sheep is scum even if Trekkie flips scum. To me the Trekkie/Mew pair still works better overall. Sheep has been really stream of consciousness through most of the thread and I feel like that’s a bit harder to fake. I still think Trekkie’s behavior towards me vs the mew-wagon eclipses any other person in terms of possible partners for Trekkie.

[LolWagons]

Mafia having a watcher would be silly but w.e

There was obviously more clout for Mew’s wagon than mine. I see no valid reason Trekkie wouldn’t push for his wagon if he were town. The only possibility I’m left with is they are partners.

[LolWagons]

I’d also like to point out while Mew and Trekkie were both in here discussing issues with me their only two interactions both came out forced.

One was Mew asking Trek “what he thought of Lolwagons interactions with you” and the other was the obvious distancing thing I pointed out where Mew said no one was listening to his reads. There was another earlier other post where Mew just posted “explain???” As well.

If it’s not those two they’ve done a phenomenal job looking like textbook partners distancing.

[LolWagons]

and the other was the obvious distancing thing I pointed out where Mew said no one was listening to his reads.

Yeah what was with that? Very rude.

I mean... he’s just mocking me at this point.

[LolWagons]

#LynchTrekkie

[LolWagons]

Meh just hammer I want a flip.

[LolWagons]

Spoiler:

Are you aware what happens next in that scene?

They kiss? Or is that just my fan fiction? I get them confused.

Obligatory “still a better love story than twilight”

[LolWagons]

VOTE: Mewtaph

You want to try to explain or should we just end it?

[LolWagons]

So the final scum would have basically been a godfather to that role since assumably they’re alone.

Doesn’t matter.

Mbaki I can see how maybe the sheep-> Trekkie interactions are worse than mew-> Trekkie but the Trekkie->Mew looks worse than Trekkie—> Sheep imo

[LolWagons]

Based on Trekkie’s initial reads list I’d say Mbaki is my highest town read.

Ofrhz and Podo are just a hair behind.

Gamma is meh but Dann thought he was town and I don’t think Gamma kills his biggest advocate in this situation.

[LolWagons]

Nope we aren’t lynching Sheep today or hopefully ever.

[LolWagons]

Mewtaph needs to claim in his first post.

[LolWagons]

UNVOTE:

I didn’t see the claim sorry

I was fucking around trying to draw the NK

Continue

[LolWagons]

Yeah didn’t see his claim so I don’t expect it to end now

And damn right we are

Also sorry for our 1v1 you’re good people

[LolWagons]

I do expect it to end

I don’t expect their to be another kill

Christ

[LolWagons]

I have a pretty damning result on sheep but I want him to claim first before I out it

Help me mbaki. In the name of a perfect game!

[LolWagons]

Okay who’d you visit last night

[LolWagons]

A roleblocker and a strongman seems strong.

We should probably just mass claim at this point.

Trekkie-Mafia RB
Sheep-2 Shot Doc
Dannflor-Traffic Analyst
Ofhrz-Tracker???
Lolwagons-VT
Gamma-
Mew-
Mbaki-
Podo-

[LolWagons]

Night 1:

Last night

Dannflor

was found dead.
They were a...

Spoiler:

Town Traffic Analyst

Welcome to

game

! You are a

Town Traffic Analyst

.

Each night, you may choose a player. You will learn whether that player shares a private topic with another (i.e. that player is a member of a private topic, and another living player is also a member of that private topic; a player who is alone in a private topic will give the same results as a player who cannot access a private topic at all).

You win when all the Mafia have been eliminated.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

VC

VOTE COUNT:

Everyone:

No one

No Vote:

Everyone

With 7 alive it takes 4 to Lynch.

Time Remaining:

(expired on 2019-01-09 15:03:37)

To me this seems like Tracker was meant to catch a single scum and traffic analyst only was effective with both scum.

If anyone is withholding any neighbor claims those would be nice to have now.

I’m not totally sold yet on lynching sheep until we fill in all the blanks. Honestly a Tracker and traffic analyst seems kind of weak against what’s flipped

[LolWagons]

I want Mew->Gamma->Mbaki in that order.

[LolWagons]

If anyone objects speak now otherwise that’s how it will be done

[LolWagons]

A roleblocker and a strongman seems strong.

We should probably just mass claim at this point.

Trekkie-Mafia RB
Sheep-2 Shot Doc
Dannflor-Traffic Analyst
Ofhrz-Tracker
Lolwagons-VT
Gamma-VT
Mew-VT
Mbaki-
Podo-

VT

This is fair.

Your go Mbaki

[LolWagons]

I’d prefer no one hammer anyone until I have a chance to get back on tomorrow after the claims.

Pretty sure we can set up a decent plan.

[LolWagons]

VOTE: Sheep

I was waiting to see if there was another PR claim. I think Tracker/traffic analyst and full RB is a bit scumsided but meh.

More plausible than 2-shot doc, traffic analyst, Tracker, x-shot strongman, and mafia RB.

[LolWagons]

I suppose. Tracker can only get innos with one left and the analyst can only get innos with both left. So I feel like it’s more of just one investigative role with a full RB.

[LolWagons]

Good job. My reads actually sucked but I’m glad other people kept me on track.

[LolWagons]

Really thought Sheep was just super wrong town.

Guess the Mewtaph thing is a play style difference for me.

[LolWagons]

I like how the general consensus was that most of the activity was town and that turned out to be correct

[LolWagons]

You were town as soon as you placed the second Trekkie vote down.

[LolWagons]

You were town as soon as you placed the second Trekkie vote down.

;_____;

Don’t worry

I loathe drawing town PR because I always manage to eat the N1 NK.

[LolWagons]

If I’m alive by day 3 I’m Mafia or so wrong I might as well be playing for their team.