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Post Post #36 (isolation #0) » Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:55 am

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N0 green check on DS, sheep me
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Post Post #241 (isolation #1) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:11 pm

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In post 229, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:I want to see DS return and do shit, personally. Also why do you post when I was thinking of going to bed early? You darn Europeans.
My bad yo ive had a rough couple of days, im jumping back in let me catch up
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Post Post #242 (isolation #2) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:15 pm

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In post 46, Clemency wrote:alright im gonna go sleep pls win the game for me while i'm gone
okay so at first im like
In post 47, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:VOTE: Clemency

Let's solve the game for him, amirite?
funny joke
In post 48, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Sure.

but then im like... not so sure

Unvote, Vote Clemency
In post 58, Clemency wrote:you can't tell me what to do
VOTE: Clemency

and now im just :?:
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Post Post #243 (isolation #3) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:15 pm

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cool

fucked up multiquotes on my first try

gg ds
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Post Post #244 (isolation #4) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:18 pm

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In post 79, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:I like that honesty, my minion. The Majority seem to be going for Almost, so we shall do the same for now. Keep a keen eye for scummy behaviour.

VOTE: Almost50

tonally this just reads weird for me. im going to

VOTE: Bambietta Basterbine

for now

see how i feel when im done catching up
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Post Post #245 (isolation #5) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:19 pm

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In post 99, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:Clearly I'm informed about what everyone's role is.

If you MUST know:

Cop - davesaz

Doctors - Clemency and DS

Scum - Bambi, Egix96, and bristep123

what

im obviously macho town lover roleblock 1 shot vig cmon son
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Post Post #246 (isolation #6) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:21 pm

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In post 108, Egix96 wrote:
In post 106, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:She got a n0 clear on herself, of course. Only the doctors get that.

Why arent you asking about why I know Clem is also a Doctor?
You obviously have no idea who DS is if you think he's female ;)
The difference between Clem and DS here is that one of them has posted only once so far and the other hasn't. If your whole exchange with Clem was an exercise in rolefishing, then good for you.

But really though, can we just... y'know, stop talking about PRs? All it's doing is making the scum's job easier.
Oh hi does someone know me, im interested to see if you may pick up on some of my towntells then
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Post Post #247 (isolation #7) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:27 pm

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In post 146, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:Stahp mentioning that
thot
. This is why I don't like Elsa, she takes all the darn attention...

Why can't I be appriciated for who I am, and not who I'm related too?

im over here imagining frozen like

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Post Post #248 (isolation #8) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:28 pm

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In post 153, Almost50 wrote:
In post 146, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:Stahp mentioning that
thot
. This is why I don't like Elsa, she takes all the darn attention...

Why can't I be appriciated for who I am, and not who I'm related too?
Maybe bc Elsa is much more innocent and less manipulating? I've never once seen her fake claim Day Cop as scum, nor have I seen her fake claim Doctor as a Survivor. Elsa is such an easy read. You're not.

P.S. I am a compulsive liar. :lol:

ha

ive done the fake claim day cop as scum thing

its a golden move if pulled off correctly (and by correctly I mean by getting the actual day cop lynched)
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Post Post #249 (isolation #9) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:32 pm

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In post 224, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think Clemency is town
I also am skewing this way as well
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Post Post #250 (isolation #10) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:33 pm

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In post 233, ofrhz wrote:
In post 229, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:I want to see DS return and do shit, personally. Also why do you post when I was thinking of going to bed early? You darn Europeans.
Meh he might be replaced if he doesn't post soon. Same with bristep
Cant get rid of me that easy!
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Post Post #251 (isolation #11) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:34 pm

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okay caught up, yall dont post much on this site so that was easy

not necessarily sold on a bambietta scum lean but i have no issue parking my vote there for now
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Post Post #303 (isolation #12) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:18 pm

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was that a "very wordy post with lots of anyalysis"?
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Post Post #440 (isolation #13) » Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:23 pm

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In post 431, davesaz wrote:Reaper and DS are both content free.
That about covers the easy ones. I'm the type who prefers to complete something before tackling a bigger task.

Bambietta sure has a lot of posts, for having touted taking her foot off the gas a RL day ago or so.
I suspect that Clemency iso will be much more spam than substance, from inability to remember anything noteworthy. Though that could be inattention on my part, will see when I dig into it.
You don't want to comment on anything I've said? Even if it is limited? That's a strange mentality for a tow person to have. I'd want to try and dissect what I could at least from my POV
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Post Post #442 (isolation #14) » Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:07 pm

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My understanding was that MafiaScum games last for a long time, and so I've been busy, and not paying much attention. My plan was to read back during the weekend.

Since you've been active, and I haven't, who is currently the most talked about player in the thread- and what do you think of them?
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Post Post #445 (isolation #15) » Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:40 pm

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In post 308, ReaperOfSouls wrote:I did ISO's on everyone the other day and virtually got nothing from what is mostly nothing posts. I see players trying to move the game forward but there is alot of nothing. The one thing that stands out is the two naked votes by Adelbert Steiner. That is the direction I feel most comfortable with at the moment.
VOTE: Adelbert Steiner
Ew I hate when people reference invisible isos they did with no post detailing the iso work
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Post Post #446 (isolation #16) » Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:43 pm

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In post 361, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why would I need to reread? What do you think I missed?
How I'm feeling during my catchup


People saying I'm lurking when so far I haven't seen a single question directed my way before Dave mentioned me
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Post Post #447 (isolation #17) » Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:43 pm

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In post 361, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why would I need to reread? What do you think I missed?
In post 368, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:Let me look at the 5 people who have their votes on me real quick... In alphabetical order.

Clemency: I forgive you, my child.

DS: Not much of an actual impression, voted me off a tone read (which usually happens) and has been on and off. Will grill them later into day 2 though.

Gamma: with what I said before, and no actual town content, plus voting me twice means you know what I think about you.

Ofrhz: Being scummy and going for the juicy Bambi butt. Says they jumped off of Volxen for other reasons, but probably only because it lost steam and he needs a lynch target.

Volxen: atleast with him, even if I know he's wrong, he actually gave a decent reason to vote me and stuck to his thoughts. I scumread him for it but reflections point to him being town.

Townread: Davesaz
Townlean: Volxen, Clemency, Egix96
Baby townlean: Sleepless Assassin, Bristep123
Neutral: Almost50, ReaperofSouls
Baby Scumlean (deal with later): DS Adelbert Steiner
Scumleans: Ofrhz, Gamma Emerald.

Pedit: I remembered your strong reaction on day 4 mainly. That's what stuck with me the past year. I'd have to reread it to see what you mean about the buddy thing.

Sorry how do you know I'm gonna make it to day 2?
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Post Post #448 (isolation #18) » Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:46 pm

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In post 386, volxen wrote:
In post 368, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:Let me look at the 5 people who have their votes on me real quick... In alphabetical order.

Clemency: I forgive you, my child.

DS: Not much of an actual impression, voted me off a tone read (which usually happens) and has been on and off. Will grill them later into day 2 though.

Gamma: with what I said before, and no actual town content, plus voting me twice means you know what I think about you.

Ofrhz: Being scummy and going for the juicy Bambi butt. Says they jumped off of Volxen for other reasons, but probably only because it lost steam and he needs a lynch target.

Volxen: atleast with him, even if I know he's wrong, he actually gave a decent reason to vote me and stuck to his thoughts.
I scumread him for it
but reflections point to him being town.

Townread: Davesaz
Townlean: Volxen
, Clemency, Egix96
Baby townlean: Sleepless Assassin, Bristep123
Neutral: Almost50, ReaperofSouls
Baby Scumlean (deal with later): DS Adelbert Steiner
Scumleans: Ofrhz, Gamma Emerald.

Pedit: I remembered your strong reaction on day 4 mainly. That's what stuck with me the past year. I'd have to reread it to see what you mean about the buddy thing.
So I am simultaneously a scumread and a townlean for you? That doesn't make any sense.
Lol this is a funny note because I was given a "no impression" and also a "baby scumlean" - when to me, personally, there is a difference between a null and a null-scum read on day 1.
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Post Post #449 (isolation #19) » Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:50 pm

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In post 400, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Ok, I'm caught up.

Towniest on top, scummiest on bottom:
ofrhz
Clemency
Gamma
Dave
Almost50
Adelbert
Egix
DS
bristep123
Bambi
Volx
ReaperOfSouls
How many mafia in this game? 3-4 probably right based off the numbers? Percentage wise that seems about right so I'm okay with being the number 5, that'll keep me alive long enough to solve the game.
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Post Post #451 (isolation #20) » Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:52 pm

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In post 400, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Ok, I'm caught up.

Towniest on top, scummiest on bottom:
ofrhz
Clemency
Gamma
Dave
Almost50
Adelbert
Egix
DS
bristep123
Bambi
Volx
ReaperOfSouls
In post 412, davesaz wrote:BTW I find scum reading a flake to be a
lot
more suspicious than null reading them.
What about Null-scum reading someone?
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Post Post #452 (isolation #21) » Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:55 pm

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In post 450, Clemency wrote:its an open setup mate
Lol

Okay so 3 then and yeah 5 is about right I can slink into that groove until someone power clears me and then you can all sheep
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Post Post #453 (isolation #22) » Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:56 pm

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I am all caught up at this pont. So much for lurking right? I'm a streaky player


AMA AND ILL RESPOND
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Post Post #456 (isolation #23) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:06 am

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In post 454, Egix96 wrote:
In post 449, DS wrote:How many mafia in this game? 3-4 probably right based off the numbers? Percentage wise that seems about right so I'm okay with being the number 5, that'll keep me alive long enough to solve the game.
Oh God, you're not trying to do that thing you did in this year's Champs are you?
I legitimately just don't pay attention to setups because I'm not a mechanical player. Solving games mechanically doesn't work for me. I need back and forths with people to game solve
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Post Post #457 (isolation #24) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:07 am

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In post 455, Clemency wrote:what's your favourite bird
Umm. Ravens.

Praise be to Apollo.
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Post Post #458 (isolation #25) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:09 am

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In post 456, DS wrote:
In post 454, Egix96 wrote:
In post 449, DS wrote:How many mafia in this game? 3-4 probably right based off the numbers? Percentage wise that seems about right so I'm okay with being the number 5, that'll keep me alive long enough to solve the game.
Oh God, you're not trying to do that thing you did in this year's Champs are you?
I legitimately just don't pay attention to setups because I'm not a mechanical player. Solving games mechanically doesn't work for me. I need back and forths with people to game solve
You could reference how trash I was in the Liars Club tournament as proof of this, if you wanna do your research
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Post Post #461 (isolation #26) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:56 am

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In post 460, Egix96 wrote:> "Solving games mechanically doesn't work for me"
> "I can slink into that groove until someone
power clears
me"

Err okay

pedit @458: Well that's fine I guess.

Idk if you read that incorrectly or if I just didn't make myself clear

Mechanically solving the game (meaning in an open setup this person can mechanically deduce this from this and that simple based on the mathematical interpretation of optimal strats and how the mechanical operation of roles works)

Vs

Power clearing in which a cop role clears you via a check.

I don't do the first, but will gladly encourage someone to do the latter for me and make this game a cakewalk in terms of me having to prove my townieness.


On a side note: the mechanical solution of games is one of the reasons I prefer closed setups to open ones, as closed role games benefits players of my style
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Post Post #472 (isolation #27) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:27 am

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In post 465, davesaz wrote:
In post 461, DS wrote: I don't do the first, but will gladly encourage someone to do the latter for me and make this game a cakewalk in terms of me having to prove my townieness.
You might try saying a few things about what you think about other people’s posts. Do a good enough job and Powers can be used to find scum, a much better use than clearing.
Are you trying to coach me? Lmao

What a weird pocket strat
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Post Post #473 (isolation #28) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:28 am

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In post 463, Egix96 wrote:
In post 462, davesaz wrote:I don’t get the champs reference.
In the finale game of this year's Mafia Championships (over on Mafia Universe) DS said something like "oh there are 4 mafia? I thought there were 5"
That's basically all it is.
I legitimately didn't know tho lol
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Post Post #474 (isolation #29) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:28 am

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In post 463, Egix96 wrote:
In post 462, davesaz wrote:I don’t get the champs reference.
In the finale game of this year's Mafia Championships (over on Mafia Universe) DS said something like "oh there are 4 mafia? I thought there were 5"
That's basically all it is.
I legitimately didn't know tho lol
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Post Post #475 (isolation #30) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:28 am

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Shit multipost
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Post Post #476 (isolation #31) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:29 am

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In post 464, Sleepless Assassin wrote:
In post 449, DS wrote:
In post 400, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Ok, I'm caught up.

Towniest on top, scummiest on bottom:
ofrhz
Clemency
Gamma
Dave
Almost50
Adelbert
Egix
DS
bristep123
Bambi
Volx
ReaperOfSouls
How many mafia in this game? 3-4 probably right based off the numbers? Percentage wise that seems about right so I'm okay with being the number 5, that'll keep me alive long enough to solve the game.
Ew
Can you be more descriptive with your ew? Plz and ty
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Post Post #480 (isolation #32) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:25 pm

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In post 478, davesaz wrote:
In post 472, DS wrote:
In post 465, davesaz wrote: You might try saying a few things about what you think about other people’s posts. Do a good enough job and Powers can be used to find scum, a much better use than clearing.
Are you trying to coach me? Lmao

What a weird pocket strat
Nope, just expressing disdain over your attitude. Even a willingness to scumread you for it.
Anyone who has seen any point of my mafia career could probably tell you I get in trouble for my attitude a lot. Not certain that's ever going to change

It's NAI tho
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Post Post #516 (isolation #33) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:41 pm

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In post 508, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:
In post 507, davesaz wrote:Anyone want to take the assignment of looking at DS and seeing if there is any genuine solving there? Or even fake solving for that matter.
Well of everyone voting me, DS is the one without any real reason besides the very vague "tone". Atleast Clem is honest enough to just admit he's sleeping, basically.

Voting people out of RVS and making up a fake reason when you got none is a less then townie move.
I'm a gut read player. I haven't seen anything worth moving my vote from you or onto another person
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Post Post #517 (isolation #34) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:42 pm

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In post 507, davesaz wrote:Anyone want to take the assignment of looking at DS and seeing if there is any genuine solving there? Or even fake solving for that matter.

>Genuine solving
>Day one

Lol
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Post Post #518 (isolation #35) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:44 pm

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Dave do you have some questions for me? I feel like you keep bringing me up in regard to the thread but not necessarily like a direct question to me personally
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Post Post #519 (isolation #36) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:55 pm

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In post 515, davesaz wrote:86 posts and only 2-3 of them are tangentially related to game content.
VOTE: Clemency
My ok to yuk it up was not an ok to avoid doing anything all game.

Thoughts on Clemency being on Bambi?
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Post Post #558 (isolation #37) » Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:43 pm

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In post 530, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Oops, fell behind. Will catch up some time tonight.

I see DS's question while skimming just now...

To answer that, my issue was that you saw a reads list and your only comment on it is your own placement. It sounded like you went "oh this guy isn't screaming for my Lynch so I can live with that" rather than "oh cool let's see where this guy's head is at with all of his reads". Self serving posts like that are something I look for when looking for scum.
I have no basis for evaluating other people's reads on other people at this stage of the game. I need a flip for that to become useful for me. At this moment I'm focusing on getting a baseline for people because I've never played with these people before. (For the most part. I may have played with Gamma)
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Post Post #609 (isolation #38) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:22 pm

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Whats the push on Egix?

im a little behind
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Post Post #610 (isolation #39) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:24 pm

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Im kinda down to just hammer because its day one

are early hammers frowned upon around here? Not sure if i care or not

let me read back
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Post Post #611 (isolation #40) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:26 pm

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oh okay so there wasnt really any case for Egix then


that shit developed really fast
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Post Post #613 (isolation #41) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:41 pm

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my urge to hammer is building

someone unvote and dont let this linger as my decision for too long because I love an early hammer
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Post Post #615 (isolation #42) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:29 pm

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VOTE: Egix
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Post Post #621 (isolation #43) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:32 pm

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In post 618, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:Btw, the votes on Egi is the following:

Sleepless Assassin, Gamma Emerald, Bambietta Basterbine, Clemency, Almost50, DS. It takes 7 votes to hang.

He is offically at L-1 now. Bristep counted wrong, then Almost cemented it.

Glad to know for future endeavors that DS will auto hammer though. I recommend not letting them be the ones off the wagon when it's at L-1.

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Post Post #622 (isolation #44) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:35 pm

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welp

ummm

this is awkward
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Post Post #623 (isolation #45) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:36 pm

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #627 (isolation #46) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:58 pm

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fwiw i legitimately thought i was hammering there, so if egix turns up town i expect to be roasted for it at some point
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Post Post #629 (isolation #47) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:02 pm

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I mean, how can I lose townpoints without you even seeing the flip? early hammers are playstyles and not necessarily frowned upon where im used to playing, thats why i asked and your answer was "do it"
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Post Post #633 (isolation #48) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:15 pm

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In post 632, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 623, DS wrote:UNVOTE:
Credhammer?

Huh?
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Post Post #634 (isolation #49) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:16 pm

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In post 630, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:
In post 629, DS wrote:I mean, how can I lose townpoints without you even seeing the flip? early hammers are playstyles and not necessarily frowned upon where im used to playing, thats why i asked and your answer was "do it"
There is a vocal group of people on the site who hate it, trust me. I said do it to get a read on your true style. Now I know. Whether Egi flips green or red, I'll be happy.
Its pretty known I love early hammers - i got shit on during mafia championships for it, but on my homesites its not frowned upon like i said
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Post Post #635 (isolation #50) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:18 pm

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Town gets information from flips, i dont see anything wrong with flipping people, especially on a day one quick wagon that we can maybe get some associative reads off of
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Post Post #638 (isolation #51) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:22 pm

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ha

so


do i get to hammer again
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Post Post #640 (isolation #52) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:26 pm

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alright, lets try this again:

VOTE: Egix

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Post Post #641 (isolation #53) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:26 pm

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are u fucking serious lmfao
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Post Post #643 (isolation #54) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:28 pm

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im going back to bambietta because shes making a fool out of me

VOTE: Bambietta
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Post Post #649 (isolation #55) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:40 pm

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In post 646, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:
In post 641, DS wrote:are u fucking serious lmfao
I only got saved by the fact I could type with 1 hand on the phone and you basically wasted your time finding an appropriate star wars image. All apart of my plan./quote]



and i had found the perfect fucking image too.
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Post Post #650 (isolation #56) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:40 pm

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quote fail
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Post Post #652 (isolation #57) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:41 pm

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In post 648, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 633, DS wrote:
In post 632, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 623, DS wrote:UNVOTE:
Credhammer?

Huh?
The second it was apparent you didn’t hammer you unvoted. So it’s very likely you just wanted that last minute bussing cred.
I mean i dont think my unvote really had anything to do with that, it was very clear i was hammering just to hammer.
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Post Post #653 (isolation #58) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:41 pm

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Like i literally stated it beforehand that I didnt feel like there was any real case on Egix but was down to hammer him anyway
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Post Post #657 (isolation #59) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:46 pm

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In post 655, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 652, DS wrote:
In post 648, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 633, DS wrote:
In post 632, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 623, DS wrote:UNVOTE:
Credhammer?

Huh?
The second it was apparent you didn’t hammer you unvoted. So it’s very likely you just wanted that last minute bussing cred.
I mean i dont think my unvote really had anything to do with that, it was very clear i was hammering just to hammer.
I mean you obviously wanted another hammer opportunity as you clearly showed, but I still think my ascribed motive is still valid

You lynched me for early hammering in Mini 2036 I believe, and we were both town in that game, so its clearly nai for either of us to try and assert this thing one way or another
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Post Post #659 (isolation #60) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:47 pm

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actually

i early hammered myself that game didnt i


i may be getting things confused
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Post Post #662 (isolation #61) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:49 pm

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Nah I was wrong, I early hammered myself that game on day 1.

But still, early hammers for me is not out of the norm
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Post Post #663 (isolation #62) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:49 pm

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anyways, its all wifom at this point
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Post Post #667 (isolation #63) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:52 pm

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In post 665, Gamma Emerald wrote:Meh
I’ll let you be but you’re on thin ice
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Post Post #671 (isolation #64) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:47 pm

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In post 670, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 667, DS wrote:
In post 665, Gamma Emerald wrote:Meh
I’ll let you be but you’re on thin ice
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Your meme broke
It was there for a moment, and now that moment is lost forever
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Post Post #687 (isolation #65) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:41 pm

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Okay so what exactly are you trying to say?

I'm a little lost on how this train of thought is going. Is he wolf/wolfing us?
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Post Post #691 (isolation #66) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:58 pm

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In post 690, ChibiBear wrote:
In post 687, DS wrote:Okay so what exactly are you trying to say?

I'm a little lost on how this train of thought is going. Is he wolf/wolfing us?
Wait who exactly are you talking to in this post?
To you but in regard to ofrhz's like intention with why he's asking you about your reaction to my almost hammer prompted by Bambi like, kinda just seems like shade throwing to me
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Post Post #697 (isolation #67) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:28 pm

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In post 693, ofrhz wrote:
In post 691, DS wrote:
In post 690, ChibiBear wrote:
In post 687, DS wrote:Okay so what exactly are you trying to say?

I'm a little lost on how this train of thought is going. Is he wolf/wolfing us?
Wait who exactly are you talking to in this post?
To you but in regard to ofrhz's like intention with why he's asking you about your reaction to my almost hammer prompted by Bambi like, kinda just seems like shade throwing to me
Can you rephrase this? I don't follow

Or link which post you're talking about
I don't really see how I can explain it any differently?
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Post Post #701 (isolation #68) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:44 pm

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In post 699, ofrhz wrote:
In post 697, DS wrote:
In post 693, ofrhz wrote:
In post 691, DS wrote:
To you but in regard to ofrhz's like intention with why he's asking you about your reaction to my almost hammer prompted by Bambi like, kinda just seems like shade throwing to me
Can you rephrase this? I don't follow

Or link which post you're talking about
I don't really see how I can explain it any differently?
I don't get how it's shade throwing, especially since I said the post was scummy
That's what shade is?
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Post Post #704 (isolation #69) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:24 pm

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Is bri calling A50 a lurker when they've only posted 14 times themselves?

Lmfao
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Post Post #717 (isolation #70) » Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:15 am

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In post 710, Clemency wrote:i feel like if i was scum and failhammered like that i'd take the second opportunity to keep my story straight, but thats just anecdotal
My thing is, and I'm not saying this necessarily about you but kinda just in general, is how can a town player come to a correct judgment about what a double fail hammer actually means without seeing the persons flip.

It's either all speculative wifom or scum spewing tmi from my POV
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Post Post #718 (isolation #71) » Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:16 am

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Which is kinda why I like to hammer because you get flips and can then investigate associates based on the votals
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Post Post #728 (isolation #72) » Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:43 pm

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In post 720, Egix96 wrote:
In post 715, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:... I literally just saved your life and this is how I'm repaid.

Man, if I get hung for this shenanigans and I saved scum because of the holiday spirit, imma be pissed.

Give your other reads first, my dude.
My reads are a bit all over the place atm but I'll try.

Town
Assassin

ofrhz
Dave

Chibi
Gamma

DS
A50

ROS
Bristep
Clem

Volxen
Bambi
Scum

People within the same grouping (separated by blank lines) are approximately equivalent.

Interesting that the guy I attempted to hammer twice doesn't even think I'm scum

Have I townspewed myself that well?
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Post Post #731 (isolation #73) » Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:54 pm

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You would think I would drop further though after attempting to hammer him.

Idk just a weird sort of ranking after that
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Post Post #755 (isolation #74) » Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:07 pm

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In post 739, ChibiBear wrote:UNVOTE:

Eh. If the wagons don't move and it comes down to Egix and Bambi, I'll have to go with Bambi because I am somewhat town leaning on Egix but Bambi is still rather null for me.

I would prefer to lynch either A50, bri, volxen over Bambi though at this point.

"A wrong Lynch is better then a No Lynch" definitely applies on Day 1.

Whats the A50 read? I have them as a semi decent townread off of tone
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Post Post #763 (isolation #75) » Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:04 am

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In post 759, Sleepless Assassin wrote:
In post 602, Egix96 wrote:
In post 599, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Yeah that's interesting. If you think your wagon is opportunistic you should be looking at me. I brought up the point against you and didn't vote until my next post after gammas vote and encouraged others to hop on. It seems like you chose to attack the two who are the other leading wagons intentionally.

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V/LA until Friday night
Okay then.
If you were scum, why would you CC doc and then immediately rescind? I legitimately can't see that coming from scum.
Why even bring this up? Hell, the fact that you remember it kind of shows an interest in who the power roles are.

Speaking of this though, for the other doc:
I'm gonna protect Almost50 tonight
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Oh wow an accidental fake hammer. Well egix and DS aren't a team. Not sure why Bambi didn't give egix a chance to react before pointing it out. Almost's post 620 is pretty much my exact thoughts on that..

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DS why'd you unvote after realizing you weren't the hammer?

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If egix is town, volx's L-1 vote after the accidental fake hammer looks very opportunistic.

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I'm through page 27. Might finish in this sitting but gonna hit submit so I don't lose this post. My phone sucks sometimes.

There was no reasoning behind the train at all, but Im always down to get tf out of day 1
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Post Post #764 (isolation #76) » Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:05 am

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sorry that thought wasnt very clear lmao it made more sense in my head

I unvoted because there was no reasoning behind the train at all, the reason that I hammered both times is because Im always down to get tf out of day 1
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Post Post #787 (isolation #77) » Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:25 pm

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Uhh
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Post Post #789 (isolation #78) » Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:29 pm

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In post 781, davesaz wrote:Dunno why y’all don’t see scum clemency. I think egix is town.
VOTE: volxen
Look at the deadline.
What do you think about this cc?
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Post Post #850 (isolation #79) » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:37 am

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In post 834, Clemency wrote:i'm really afraid volxen is gonna flip town just because that happens every time i have a confident scum read like
i know it'd be impossible because i know i'm cop but
somehow it still feels like the universe is gonna take me out somehow???
never underestimate the power of stupidity
This is so sus wtf lmfao
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Post Post #852 (isolation #80) » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:41 am

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Voldemort is lynched already right?


Lol that Volxen autocorrects to Voldemort. I think that's a sign.
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Post Post #853 (isolation #81) » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:51 am

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Also

I also claim cop

Thanks for laying cover for me Clem, second doc on me
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Post Post #859 (isolation #82) » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:55 am

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It's not tho


You just ruined it
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Post Post #862 (isolation #83) » Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:05 am

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In post 861, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:The fact you thought that would work, DS, is even more surprising.

Thought what would work huh?

Brb checking my role pm


Yup, the coppiest of cops, if I hadn't of had that n0 green check on Clem I would've thought he was fake counterclaiming the fake claim for his own personal gain

Now I know he just picked up on my soft and protecting me. Thanks Clem, you're the best
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Post Post #868 (isolation #84) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:21 pm

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lmfao
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Post Post #869 (isolation #85) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:22 pm

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solid fuckin play SA, good shit.
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Post Post #872 (isolation #86) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:30 pm

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In post 870, Gamma Emerald wrote::igmeou:
VOTE: DS
If you were a real cop where are your results
Night 1 gamma scum obviously
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Post Post #892 (isolation #87) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:15 pm

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In post 883, ChibiBear wrote:Btw for the record I believe Clem's cop claim so I guess that makes Bambi town too.

Sorry I'm missing the correlation here? Can you explain this progression?
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Post Post #896 (isolation #88) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:21 pm

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In post 893, Clemency wrote:you must have missed my post where i, in clear words wrote "bambs is town"

I

Actually totally did lmfao

I was over here waiting for one and you already posted

Ignore me
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Post Post #932 (isolation #89) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:04 pm

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Answer is neither: I was providing protective claim subterfuge


i thought that was obvious lmao
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Post Post #937 (isolation #90) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:03 pm

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Can we talk about who out of the people that voted AFTER the cop claim are most likely scum?

Im going to take a wild guess and assume its not SA.

In post 864, BuJaber wrote: Queue music

It's the....

FINAL VOTECOUNT (of day 1)

Vote Count 1.14:


volxen (7) (LYNCH):
bristep123, Bambietta Basterbine, Egix96, davesaz,
Gamma Emerald, Almost50, Sleepless Assassin

Bambietta Basterbine (3):
ofrhz, DS, volxen
ChibiBear (1):
ReaperOfSouls


Not Voting (2):
ChibiBear, Clemency

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline:
(expired on 2018-11-27 20:00:00)
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Post Post #938 (isolation #91) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:05 pm

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Also, just as a note of something that stood out to me:

Dave voted Volxen but totally threw shade on Clem literally the post before Volxen's fake claim and the counter that came quickly after.
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Post Post #939 (isolation #92) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:07 pm

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from my pov: Scum is either 2/3 of ofr, Reaper, & Chibi - or someone bussed. Did that potential bus happen before or after the cop claim? After makes more sense to me
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Post Post #940 (isolation #93) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:10 pm

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In post 901, bristep123 wrote:Good enough for me!

For reals though, currently based on last day and what we know I have Clem, Bambi, A50, Egix and Gamma as town leans right now (conf town in the case of Clem and Bambi) plus me obv, that leaves Davesaz, DS, Alfonso, Chibi and Reaper as null or scum, out of that Chibi is my strongest lean.

okay but who is null and who is scum because you just basically split the game in half and said half are town leans and half are null/scum

there are two scum. Who are they?
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Post Post #941 (isolation #94) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:13 pm

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In post 908, bristep123 wrote:To be fair you saying you're a bad player only really works if we know your meta to verify that. I've said often that this is the first game I've played in around 5 years but I wouldn't for a second use that to defend a read on me.

Also - would scum have anything to gain from behaving as you have, if they can successfully play it off as inexperience or bad play then yes, i think they would.

Anyway, I'm voting for you, not tunnelling on you right now so also looking elsewhere.

Volxen's wagon is interesting. Assuming that 1 of his scummates was on the wagon there's only one name on there that I don't currently town read and that is Davesaz. If he's not scum that means the other reads were either on Bambi, Chibi or not voting and we had a total town wagon on Volxen (which if true then yay town!). Normally I'd say no way but in a lurky game like this it's possible.

If Reaper is scum with Chibi then his EOD vote would be some lovely distancing since if Chibi was lynched and revealed as scum then that's good 'look guys town' evidence for them to use.

DS - I dunno man, I get some terrible vibes but that late fakeclaim at the end of the day was lunacy to try and pull if scum.

Did what i was trying to accomplish with that claim at EOD really fly over everyones heads or are you all just horrible at mafia
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Post Post #942 (isolation #95) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:17 pm

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In post 930, ChibiBear wrote:
In post 928, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:The Chibanana ignores the part about the doctor claim, so I'm just gonna go on a limb and say they aren't a doctor.
Oh I didn't realise that bit was aimed at me. Nah I'm just a boring ole VT.

Bananya master race! :3
ugh, why do people claim Vt. Youre narrowing the field.
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Post Post #944 (isolation #96) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:33 pm

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In post 943, ChibiBear wrote:I mean maybe I'm just not understanding, but I thought that for a protective claim to work it has to be ya know... Believable :lol:

Wait
DS wrote:from my pov: Scum is either 2/3 of ofr, Reaper, & Chibi - or someone bussed. Did that potential bus happen before or after the cop claim? After makes more sense to me
DS wrote:ugh, why do people claim Vt. Youre narrowing the field.
If you think I'm more likely than not scum then why is my claim narrowing the field? I'd only be narrowing the field if I'm town.

Sorry if that wasnt clear. I severely doubt that 2/3 of you are scum. I definitely think someone bussed there. I thought I had kinda made that point by asking about the wagon in my first post of that sequence
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Post Post #945 (isolation #97) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:34 pm

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In post 943, ChibiBear wrote:I mean maybe I'm just not understanding, but I thought that for a protective claim to work it has to be ya know... Believable :lol:

yeah but idk why people are sussing me by calling it a "fake claim" - it wasnt really. It was cop cover not a fake claim
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Post Post #946 (isolation #98) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:35 pm

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Personally I feel like there is a distinct difference, but maybe thats just my own meta
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Post Post #956 (isolation #99) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:07 am

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In post 951, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 937, DS wrote:Can we talk about who out of the people that voted AFTER the cop claim are most likely scum?

Im going to take a wild guess and assume its not SA.

In post 864, BuJaber wrote: Queue music

It's the....

FINAL VOTECOUNT (of day 1)

Vote Count 1.14:


volxen (7) (LYNCH):
bristep123, Bambietta Basterbine, Egix96, davesaz,
Gamma Emerald, Almost50, Sleepless Assassin

Bambietta Basterbine (3):
ofrhz, DS, volxen
ChibiBear (1):
ReaperOfSouls


Not Voting (2):
ChibiBear, Clemency

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline:
(expired on 2018-11-27 20:00:00)
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Why do you seem to be implying scum HAS to be in that demographic?
I never implied that. I asked, of the people who voted after the cop claim, who is the most likely to be scum? It's a question I wanted peoples opinions on, I'm not saying that one of you HAS to be scum
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Post Post #962 (isolation #100) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:30 pm

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lol

someone didnt read their role pm
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Post Post #981 (isolation #101) » Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:08 pm

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Wasnt Egix voting Volxen at some point yesterday?
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Post Post #1016 (isolation #102) » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:17 pm

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Crazy blonde bitches with multiple personalities are something of a specialty of mine
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Post Post #1050 (isolation #103) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:26 am

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In post 1029, Egix96 wrote:
In post 1022, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1021, ChibiBear wrote:I really don't have much to say rn, my townpile is Clem, Bambi, Bri, Egix.

DS is ??? Sorta town lean still I guess.

So that leaves A50, Alonzo, Gamma, Reaper, Dave.

Can everyone post more so I can sort you guys? Thanks~ :lol:
You've already told us you're scum with Egix. What more do you have to say?

Like, of all unconfirmed players you TR Bri & Egix??? Seriously? If you can't see dave iVOTE: s Town you're being BAD. If you don't think I'm at least a Town lean, you're really really bad.

Might as well do a cover version of this:

"You've already told us you're scum wth Egix."
dhfjakdjfjaldk what? You seriously can't truly believe that.
And the rest just reads like overly apprehensive AtE.

VOTE: Almost50
This vote makes no fuckin sense dude A50 is obvious town
VOTE: Egix
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Post Post #1051 (isolation #104) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:27 am

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In post 1034, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1033, Clemency wrote:VOTE: almost50
That's a really stupid vote, my friend. I mean,
really really bad
. Just saying.

OK..
@Other Doctor: Change of plans. Do NOT respond or even hint, but YOU WILL NOT protect Clemency tonight. I will.


Thank you Clemency for forcing my hand and removing all the WIFON. :facepalm:

FTR, I protected davesaz last night.

Ha!

Egix is caught I think
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Post Post #1052 (isolation #105) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:30 am

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Only other person I would vote would be Dave I think, protection there would not have been my first choice tbh.
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Post Post #1061 (isolation #106) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:46 pm

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In post 1057, ChibiBear wrote:I
insist
that the cop checks me tonight. I want to see A50's reaction when I get confirmed town so I can sort him once and for all.

Egix's vote on A50 looks like pure OMGUS and I don't like it but I am not convinced that he is scum. It's time for you to claim though methinks.
Youre trying to... sort the doc?

lol
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Post Post #1062 (isolation #107) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:47 pm

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In post 1059, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:Come on folks. It's time to terminate this pup and send it to doggy hell.
wait, im unvoting so I can hammer again

UNVOTE: Egix
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Post Post #1070 (isolation #108) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:02 pm

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In post 1066, Egix96 wrote:
In post 1064, Gamma Emerald wrote:What even was the EgiX case again
tldr i made an ill-thought push on the cop
And the voted the doc lol
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Post Post #1078 (isolation #109) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:51 am

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That's not a smart scum play tho with one member already down
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Post Post #1086 (isolation #110) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:16 pm

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a50's wine is in front of them


or is it
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Post Post #1096 (isolation #111) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:03 pm

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In post 1093, Almost50 wrote:yeah, you maybe Town but your reads aren't that great tbh (no offense). I'd keep say Clemency checks whomever he likes again. His N1 on Bambi was good enough for me.

Yeah I agree. In case we don't hit scum today we don't want the cop telegraphing his check so that Clem can reaction test people tomorrow with fake checks
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Post Post #1128 (isolation #112) » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:09 am

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I'm so pissed at the self vote


The third hammer was supposed to be the one that actually landed
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Post Post #1129 (isolation #113) » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:09 am

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So rude to take that joy away from me
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Post Post #1130 (isolation #114) » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:13 am

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In post 1120, ChibiBear wrote:VOTE: Gamma

Idk. It's 4:30am, why am I still awake.

Well at least you are still sticking with what you said yesterday lmfao
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Post Post #1132 (isolation #115) » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:30 pm

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In post 1131, ChibiBear wrote:Ok I’m up. So obviously I would advocate again lynching me because it would be a huge waste of time. Plus I wanna see that sweet, sweet perfect town victory (despite contributing nothing to it) :lol:

So I guess it’s up to you guys to decide if you think my failure is bad town or bad scum. It’s my understanding that the policy lynching is best left for disruptive players that affects town’s ability to function effectively. In that regard I think that a policy lynch on me would be a terrible idea and if we end up losing the game after y’all policy lynch me then I will be really annoyed.
Outside of Gamma, who are your suspects?
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Post Post #1141 (isolation #116) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:20 am

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In post 1138, ReaperOfSouls wrote:My suspect group is down to Gamma, DS, and Chibibear. Of those the attempted double hammer by DS on Egix96 would seem to move them off. Leaving it between Gamma and Chibi. As I have had Chibi's slot as the scum from beginning that still gives me my lean.
I would also say like, why wouldn't my scum partner let me hammer them yesterday if I was scum

I mean that would have given me a ton of town cred. Kinda seemed like egix was trying to suss me by taking that away
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Post Post #1163 (isolation #117) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:35 pm

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In post 1154, ReaperOfSouls wrote:
In post 1153, Gamma Emerald wrote:No case, just skepticism
He presents as town more than the current suspects.
Just to reiterate: His suspect list is currently Gamma, DS, and Chibibear - to which he has said of me
ReaperOfSouls wrote:I don't have you as a SR. Hammer happy yes ;)
so in reality he is just saying that Bri is more town than you (Gamma) and Chibibear.

----

I dont know if i am just being nitpicky but the way this is worded kinda pings me.
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Post Post #1164 (isolation #118) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:36 pm

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Im gonna VOTE: Reaper.
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Post Post #1165 (isolation #119) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:43 pm

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Im not really sure I like how everyone is coming to seemingly the same conclusions that Chibi/Gamma are scum. I feel like we were kind of lucky to have caught the other two scum so fast, I wouldnt just jump so fast - which is understandly ironic coming from me lol
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Post Post #1168 (isolation #120) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:17 pm

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Okay not sure how I feel about Chibi instantly joining that train
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Post Post #1171 (isolation #121) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:27 pm

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In post 1169, ChibiBear wrote:Don't care, I have nothing to lose anyway.

Like I said before, if it were my choice, Gamma and Reaper, one tomorrow and one the next day if the game is still going. Changing it to one today and one tomorrow is even better.
Thats not a town mindstate. Everyone but one person is town in this game. So even in a best case scenario one of those people you are willing to lynch is town.
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Post Post #1228 (isolation #122) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:42 am

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What the hell just happened

Another self?

What type of suicidal sort of game is this
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Post Post #1230 (isolation #123) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:46 am

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*looks up to the heavens*


WILL I EVER GET TO HAMMER?
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Post Post #1231 (isolation #124) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:48 am

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With the way this game is going I'll probably end up hammering myself at some point
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Post Post #1262 (isolation #125) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:35 pm

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Personally I'd rather lynch Dave, I dont really see the town reads there.
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Post Post #1263 (isolation #126) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:38 pm

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Also yesterday's lynch was entirely too complacent.
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Post Post #1264 (isolation #127) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:12 pm

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In post 211, davesaz wrote:Egix96 looks town.
Not liking the naked vote from Adelbert Steiner.
I agree with grilling ReaperOfSouls. Concern over image...

Calls Egix town d1
In post 365, davesaz wrote:
In post 324, Bambietta Basterbine wrote: 1: Dave is someone I'd rather be aggresive because we need someone to not tolerate our shit and get us back on track.
Umm, yeah I've been trying to not get overly worked up, for health.
Strange that you'd know to ask for that though.

PSA: This week I'm off work (vacation in place) which means I trade work-related interrupts for home-related interrupts. The amount of interrupts will determine whether I'm more or less active.

Pedit: oh, interesting.
aka posting just enough to not catch a ping
In post 370, davesaz wrote:I'm not seeing the stuff from Gamma Emerald that makes it hard for me to read him.
I often, perhaps even usually, notice weird pushes that tend to be awkward as hell and/or based on really hard to follow logic.
See my ISO in HMS Erebus for some posts that try to explain it.
I have previously pointed it out in this thread that his posting seems different to me.

Kinda makes me want to look up some scum games. Scumlean for the moment.
both scum and town dave votes Gamma in our current situation i think
In post 429, davesaz wrote:Doing some iso's for comparisons.
Egix townlean
bristep below Egix, not sure how far below yet.
townleans egix twice on day 1. egix was pretty highly sought after as a lynch target at some point in day one, so I find this interesting. Its also super pingy to me always when someone says they are doing isos but not posting iso work.
In post 430, davesaz wrote:Not a lot to go on for Volxen, but it feels more
looking town
than
being town
. Weak scumlean.
In post 441, davesaz wrote:
In post 440, DS wrote:
In post 431, davesaz wrote:Reaper and DS are both content free.
That about covers the easy ones. I'm the type who prefers to complete something before tackling a bigger task.

Bambietta sure has a lot of posts, for having touted taking her foot off the gas a RL day ago or so.
I suspect that Clemency iso will be much more spam than substance, from inability to remember anything noteworthy. Though that could be inattention on my part, will see when I dig into it.
You don't want to comment on anything I've said? Even if it is limited? That's a strange mentality for a town person to have. I'd want to try and dissect what I could at least from my POV
That is a comment on what you've said. I don't see much of anything before your most recent post that I can use to sort you.
The way you're asking about my post is helpful though.
I dont think Dave has commented much on me after the whole Egix flip and my part in trying to hammer them. Interested to see what Dave thinks now.
In post 478, davesaz wrote:
In post 472, DS wrote:
In post 465, davesaz wrote: You might try saying a few things about what you think about other people’s posts. Do a good enough job and Powers can be used to find scum, a much better use than clearing.
Are you trying to coach me? Lmao

What a weird pocket strat
Nope, just expressing disdain over your attitude. Even a willingness to scumread you for it.
Scumread me for my attitude, again a no substance read.

In post 507, davesaz wrote:Anyone want to take the assignment of looking at DS and seeing if there is any genuine solving there? Or even fake solving for that matter.
pawns off reading me to everyone else because at this point i was a lower poster
In post 515, davesaz wrote:86 posts and only 2-3 of them are tangentially related to game content.
VOTE: Clemency
My ok to yuk it up was not an ok to avoid doing anything all game.
voting the cop, townleaning the mafia
In post 604, davesaz wrote:
In post 595, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:They say 3rd time's the charm, right? First it was me, then it was Clem...

VOTE: Egix96
So you follow the person you're voting onto someone who scumreads them?
shades bambi for voting egix
In post 733, davesaz wrote:I don't understand the Egix wagon at all. The "case" seemed like smoke and mirrors to me.
The game so far is definitely in Bambietta's scum range. There is just so much there that could go either way, I've been at a loss for how to proceed in scoring it.
Has Clemency done something towny that I'm not seeing. I still think that would make a fine lynch.

I'm gonna need to review stuff. Holiday activity has been enough to clear out most of my memory about the game other than what I've posted here.
defending mafia, shading the cop
In post 781, davesaz wrote:Dunno why y’all don’t see scum clemency. I think egix is town.
VOTE: volxen
Look at the deadline.
I dont remember seeing any mention of Volxen before this. High chance of a bus candidate imo. This was like a post before Clem's cop claim
In post 968, davesaz wrote:What's your reason for Egix vote?
again, reads like egix protection
In post 999, davesaz wrote:
In post 991, Egix96 wrote:
In post 988, Gamma Emerald wrote:It’s possible but I feel like the way it is written comes from someone who plain knows you are Town. I think the thing that gets to me is the past tense with little qualification.
From your perspective though, it should still make sense if I'm Alonzo's scumbuddy.
So even if he has TMI, it doesn't necessarily mean I'm spewed town.
Dangerous for scum to point this out, gives me minor townvibes.
Besides, you can't really get meaningful spew from anyone unless they're dead scum.
Well, you can get meaningful stuff from dead town too, but yeah proven alignments are more helpful than unproven.

What do you think of Alonzo's move here?
In post 1181, davesaz wrote:According to the potential Gamma tell I was working on before, it's coming up a big negative, as in not town. I would prefer not to explain in depth because he'd know what to do to fix it.
I think Gamma is our last scum on that meta. On top of that I'm seeing some things that are independently scummy.

He was a weak initial supporter of scumreads on Volxen and Egix, then late (2nd half) onto both wagons. He at one point called them as the team.
If you do some iso reading, you'll see that he has weak scumreads all over the place but never seems to really push any of them. This seems to me to be planting seeds for later -- to be able to say yeah I thought they were scummy but just now getting to pursuing it. It also feels like he lacks conviction, like he knows it's going to be hard to make a case so he'd rather see others do the lifting.
Okay this honestly cracks me up because this is exactly the tone I get off of the entirety of Dave's iso, which I've just completed.

Main points I take from the iso:
-Heavy defending of Egix
-No mention of Volxen but was on that wagon and stayed on the wagon without commenting further about it (this was before the claims)
-Lots of attempts at meta reading Gamma to no avail (I didnt really quote that stuff as its all pointless conjecture about meta)
-The only people he actually townread at any point that I remember were Egix and Bristep
-He informed us early in the game that he would likely not be around much but then only really wasnt around much after scum started dying.

im okay voting dave - if its not dave i think its Reaper. im not really seeing the Gamma scum lean you all are so my lynch order would be Dave, reaper, Gamma i think. Reaper and gamma more interchangeable than Dave i think. Daves the only one whose been kinda pinging my scumdar all game
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Post Post #1265 (isolation #128) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:14 pm

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oops there was a mention of volxen, it got lost in my iso. Still, thats not substantial enough thought for me to rule out a bus
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Post Post #1266 (isolation #129) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:14 pm

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VOTE: Dave
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Post Post #1271 (isolation #130) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:17 pm

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In post 1270, bristep123 wrote:DS - I would like your opinion on this. You do basically no active scumhunting the whole game until now when we suddenly get a big ISO post on Dave? Dave, the only other person with yourself who the conf town are townreading and if we follow Bambi's lynch order and mislynch today/tomorrow it'll be you/Dave/1 conf town left? You have said that his ISO read on Gamma also applies to him as well, but wouldn't it also apply to you? After all the only reason anyone really townreads you for was the double failhammer.

Now, I know kinda what the answer is, but Dave doing that big read on Gamma is dangerous if he is scum and Gamma flips town. Likewise it's dangerous for you to do the big ISO on Dave out of nowhere if you are scum and he flips town. Now there's someone who hasn't done a big ISO on anyone, and that's Gamma (also Reaper but he's tomorrow)

1) You guys dont know me on this site, which is fine, but im a decently well known player on a number of mafia sites and as such ive been trying to kinda lay low because Im always an early target (given, I didnt realize this game would basically come down to just killing off the power roles/conf town every night - but the strategy still stands)

2) I wouldnt call that a big iso by any means, there wasnt much content from dave to begin with

3) I didnt really buy into the last lynch, and i actually have what I feel is a legitimate scum read on someone so I am voicing my opinion.
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Post Post #1272 (isolation #131) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:19 pm

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Also, just because im not actively posting my thoughts does not mean I am not actively scumhunting. I have just kinda been holding cards close to my chest. I definitely want to draw a distinction there fwiw
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Post Post #1273 (isolation #132) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:22 pm

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Also, also,

ya know

i kinda want the glory of bagging the last scum if im right
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Post Post #1275 (isolation #133) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:33 pm

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In post 1274, bristep123 wrote:What about Gamma demanding townreads of others but providing none themself?
They were thinking you were scum so I don't see why they would provide a town read of you?

Sorry not sure I understand your question?
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Post Post #1277 (isolation #134) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:43 pm

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I would say that Dave has done similar things
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Post Post #1296 (isolation #135) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:27 am

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I don't think it's immaterial to shade a PR before they are known to be a pr. Of course you wouldn't shade a pr after they are outted, that would be dumb. Knowing now the alignment of Clem, your interactions with him before his outting as cop is certainly worthwhile to look at.

I don't agree with any of your responses. I think people can read into them and see they aren't great defenses to what I brought up.
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Post Post #1297 (isolation #136) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:38 am

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The real life stuff could obviously be real but still an excuse to slide by without much activity

That response to me is immaterial
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Post Post #1298 (isolation #137) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:41 am

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In post 1279, ReaperOfSouls wrote:I have a TR on Dave due alot to the fact that A50 was sure he was town. He was protecting him. I had the elimination down to Chihi and Gamma. I was wrong. I'll chalk it up to not reading their playstyle correctly. Gamma kept pointing at bri. Who I had have as solid town. If it's between Gamma and Dave. I know where I'm leaning. Someone will have to convince me.
Power roles aren't infallible. They are players coming to conclusions just like the rest of us. Sheeting other players reads if they are based on solid logic is fine but just sheeping because someone was a town leader is not

But then again, A50 town read me, so obviously sheep that facet of his game 100%
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Post Post #1300 (isolation #138) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:45 am

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In post 1283, bristep123 wrote:Gamma doesn't call me scum or point to me as scum. They are asking why others read me as town since nobody had made a case other than feeling. I agree they've done no active hunting in the game but neither have a few players and it leads us to an endgame where we're not clear on the last scum due to a lack of activity. You could be seen as pocketing/sheeping, Dave and DS and Gamma could be seen as sowing weak seeds, DS and Dave could be seen as trying to disrupt the final day reads because they're sure the town will lynch Gamma/Reaper so making sure the last lynch isn't them. There's reason for all 4 of you to be suspected.

Alonzo - What's your reason for switching to Dave? Just based on DS's post?
How is Dave disrupting the final day reads? He is just going along with the majority town lynch, which would be the obvious play here if he was scum?
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Post Post #1302 (isolation #139) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:49 am

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In post 1299, bristep123 wrote:The sad irony is that you could finally hammer, but it's not on someone you want to hammer.
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Post Post #1303 (isolation #140) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:51 am

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Yeah I'm not hammering yet. Not until I get more input from gamma
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Post Post #1304 (isolation #141) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:51 am

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In post 1289, Gamma Emerald wrote:I find it questionable dave voted me when he did, look into that
Where are you leaning to vote today?
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Post Post #1305 (isolation #142) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:53 am

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And why?
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Post Post #1321 (isolation #143) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:37 pm

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In post 1317, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:Mfw I'm outnumbered and we dont honor Clem's final wish.

What part of Gamma-Reaper-Dave lynch was unclear? We dont lose anyway if we hang Gamma first. I'll admit I'm putting Dave before Reaper now out of paranoia, but still.

Don't let Clem's final wish be in vein. We literally can't lose now.
Okay im fine with this actually if we are swapping Dave before Reaper.
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Post Post #1322 (isolation #144) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:38 pm

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In post 1320, Alonzo wrote:is Gamma at L-1?
Not anymore!


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VOTE: Gamma
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Post Post #1325 (isolation #145) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:57 pm

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WHY DO ALL MY GIFS DIE

THAT WAS A PERFECT GIF
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Post Post #1326 (isolation #146) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:58 pm

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VOTE: quick night
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Post Post #1333 (isolation #147) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:52 pm

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In post 1330, Alonzo wrote:or 3rd party?
3rd party for sure
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Post Post #1354 (isolation #148) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:20 am

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In post 1351, davesaz wrote:Looking solely at the VC's posted by the mod, DS was L-1 on egix but off the final wagon, and the only other prominent wagon place was hammering Gamma.
That's the easy thing to check. Today is a potentially painful day in RL for me, unknown atm if I'll be able to look between the VCs.
On the surface, killing his buds was just a show thing and not real. Which is what I'm referring to when I say MS norms may not apply.

I think it's important to be sure the possibilities are covered. Most likely it's just Reaper but if we're wrong the survivors of tomorrow need something better than lynching me for the loss.
You're not taking into account the fact that I pulled off the wagon to hammer Egix on day 2 and Egix self voted to disallow me that hammer.

Why would someone's scum partner do that? It makes no sense. A scum partner would have allowed me to hammer for towncred.
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Post Post #1355 (isolation #149) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:22 am

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There's no world here in which I'm scum. As Bambi is saying, pushing on and placing votes on the scum this game at the times I did would have been essentially game throwing in this setup.
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Post Post #1356 (isolation #150) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:28 am

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I came into today thinking it was just Dave and I was right all along, but that quick vote by Reaper gives me hesitation
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Post Post #1358 (isolation #151) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:36 am

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In post 1357, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:
In post 1356, DS wrote:I came into today thinking it was just Dave and I was right all along, but that quick vote by Reaper gives me hesitation
See, that's why I'm worried we had it too easy. I just REALLY have to confirm your townie enough to not regret this.

Perhaps my original plan of Gamma-Reaper-Dave was accurate.
Personally I still think Gamma-Dave-Reaper is optimal but that's from my POV
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Post Post #1359 (isolation #152) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:41 am

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In post 1351, davesaz wrote:
I think it's important to be sure the possibilities are covered. Most likely it's just Reaper but if we're wrong the survivors of tomorrow need something better than lynching me for the loss.

This just seems like coloring the lynch after a town reaper flip
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Post Post #1363 (isolation #153) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:55 am

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In post 1361, ReaperOfSouls wrote:Either you or DS is scum. We chose you over Gamma. That seems to be a mistake in retrospect. Lynching me won't solve the question. It will get to a choice made by who ever is left between Bambi and Alonzo in LYLO.
I also believe that the choice of who Bambi or Alonzo is left alive will actually tell us quite a bit about who is scum
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Post Post #1364 (isolation #154) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:02 am

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I think if we just lynch Dave here though the game is over
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Post Post #1365 (isolation #155) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:26 pm

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In post 208, ReaperOfSouls wrote:
In post 207, Egix96 wrote:
In post 206, ReaperOfSouls wrote:
In post 196, Sleepless Assassin wrote:
In post 182, ReaperOfSouls wrote:UNVOTE: Clemency

Removing RVS vote.
what are you hoping to accomplish with this post?

Unvote, Vote Reaper

Almost50 wrote:I'm not liking the Beetlejuice
Yeah if not for the first part of this post I'd be voting volx now.
Just simply unvoting.
But did it achieve anything for you?
Removed a random vote.Nothing of substance. Place marker for myself.
The style of some of players in this game are vastly different than any in the first game I was in here.
This is an interesting little back and forth between Egix and Reaper
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Post Post #1366 (isolation #156) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:28 pm

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In post 966, ReaperOfSouls wrote:
In post 965, Egix96 wrote:
In post 956, DS wrote:volxen (7) (LYNCH): bristep123, Bambietta Basterbine, Egix96, davesaz, Gamma Emerald, Almost50, Sleepless Assassin
Right, let's see who's most likely to have bussed volx here:
bristep: I don't really see scum!bristep initiating a wagon on his own buddy here. So I'm willing to lean town on him for now.
Bambi: Claimed to have been peeked green by cop. Not lynching her this Day.
Egix: Oh hey that's me
dave: bristep's reasoning seems solid, I can buy it.
GE: I had him as a town lean D1 but I'm no longer so sure. He claims that he had volx as lock scum based on meta, maybe it was to justify an easy bus vote?
Almost: I have no idea what this guy has been doing all game. I don't believe his doc claim ftr.
Assassin: He's dead.

TLDR: If volxen was bussed, it's probably either dave or GE who did it. But honestly I'd be quite surprised if the wagon was pure since I think volxen was never not getting lynched in the end, scum might as well have bussed him at that point.
I'd have to go back and look at the timing of the votes, but if there's busing going on then it would have to come with your's or Dave's vote on. IMO. Not saying there is.

Reaper, do you still think Dave was bussing?
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Post Post #1368 (isolation #157) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:33 pm

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In post 1138, ReaperOfSouls wrote:My suspect group is down to Gamma, DS, and Chibibear. Of those the attempted double hammer by DS on Egix96 would seem to move them off. Leaving it between Gamma and Chibi. As I have had Chibi's slot as the scum from beginning that still gives me my lean.

Reaper, here you said that your suspects were me gamma and Chibibear - Now you are saying that you think it is Dave? What has slid Dave into that group?
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Post Post #1369 (isolation #158) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:37 pm

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In post 1176, ReaperOfSouls wrote:
In post 1150, BuJaber wrote:

Vote Count 3.1:


ChibiBear (2):
bristep123, ReaperOfSouls
Gamma Emerald (1):
ChibiBear


Not Voting (6):
davesaz, Bambietta Basterbine, Clemency, DS, Gamma Emerald, Alonzo

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline:
(expired on 2018-12-22 19:35:00)
8 players left.
Cleared:Clemency, Bambi, Alonzo(if I am leaving someone out please inform, I am trying to get this plant started backup after this winter storm)
Cleared by inference: davesaz
I have a TR on bristep123.
Leaving Chibibear, Gamma, DS, and myself.
I know what my alignment is. But I understand you all can't take me at my word.
Leaving DS, Gamma, and Chibibear.
I prefer to lynch Chibibear. But I will go with town consensus.
We sit at 9 left with one scum. Let's process this and end it with the next lynch if possible. If not let's set it up where we maintain the overwhelming advantage we have. And yes I understand what that could mean.
What does cleared by inference mean?
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Post Post #1370 (isolation #159) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:39 pm

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In post 1234, ReaperOfSouls wrote:If Chibibear flips town either Gamma or Dave have played well. Just saying.
Oh okay, heres the start of a Dave thought
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Post Post #1371 (isolation #160) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:41 pm

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There wasnt much to delve into during that iso tbh
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Post Post #1373 (isolation #161) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:43 pm

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I think its Dave. You guys all should have just fuckin sheeped me yesterday, im the goat for a reason

VOTE: Dave
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Post Post #1374 (isolation #162) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:43 pm

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In post 1372, ReaperOfSouls wrote:A50 had been protecting. I trusted him. I thought he had something I hadn't seen. Like I said I have the advantage of knowing that I flip town so it falls to the two of you. If it's not you then it has to be him.
That could be said for all of us
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Post Post #1379 (isolation #163) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:44 pm

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Not gonna lie dave, thats a pretty solid play if you're scum. I dont blame you for trying that lmfao
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Post Post #1390 (isolation #164) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:11 am

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VOTE: Reaper
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Post Post #1391 (isolation #165) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:12 am

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Post Post #1395 (isolation #166) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:16 am

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Alonzo is always hammering Reaper in this situation.
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Post Post #1396 (isolation #167) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:17 am

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In post 1394, ReaperOfSouls wrote:@DS...How you think she'll feel on the flip?
Nothing to be mad about I don't think
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Post Post #1399 (isolation #168) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:21 am

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I assume Reaper understood the line of WIFOM I was going to push today and realized that there was little chance you don't hammer him after an Alonzo death
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Post Post #1402 (isolation #169) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:30 am

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I'm town, don't worry
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Post Post #1403 (isolation #170) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:31 am

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:3
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Post Post #1408 (isolation #171) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:43 am

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I'm a he btw
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Post Post #1412 (isolation #172) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:46 am

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In post 1409, Alonzo wrote:
In post 1395, DS wrote:Alonzo is always hammering Reaper in this situation.

Not always true, so good NK
I was playing the wifom game. I think you had said a few days ago to go Reaper then Dave if you died, so Reaper would have more incentive to kill you than I did
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Post Post #1413 (isolation #173) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:46 am

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In post 1410, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:Congrats on the solo win, DS. You're a great SK.
Lmfao
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Post Post #1414 (isolation #174) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:47 am

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Double fail hammer was entirely orchestrated btw, I saw that I wasn't hammering both times before posting
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Post Post #1422 (isolation #175) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:13 am

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In post 1420, bristep123 wrote:Not even remotely. I really didn't like DS's sudden turn on Dave because it was totally against the previous play but unless it had come down to me, Dave and DS I wasn't looking in his direction.
It wasn't a sudden turn on Dave, I had been sussing Dave all game
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Post Post #1426 (isolation #176) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:21 am

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In post 1425, bristep123 wrote:Post 105 of your ISO before you even remotely mention sussing him, but OK. From my perspective I thought it was a sudden turn.
Dave kept prodding me and so the sus was implied by my questions back at him
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Post Post #1434 (isolation #177) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:48 am

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In post 1429, volxen wrote:Yay, victory!!! Well done DS. :D Interesting plot twist about the double failhammer though -- I really thought you were trying to hammer Egix both times. Didn't know you purposefully waited for Bambi to unvote before placing your vote both times. Nice.

I'm just glad that Sleepless Assassin AND Almost50 weren't BOTH VT's pretending to be doctors -- that would have really sucked for us! :lol:
Yeah that possibility scared me a lot tbh
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Post Post #1443 (isolation #178) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:26 am

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In post 1442, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1440, Egix96 wrote:DS getting pissed off at me for self hammering
this conflicts with the failhammers being planned wtf

Fail hammers were day one - self hammer day 2
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Post Post #1445 (isolation #179) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:47 am

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I mean there wasn't a plan. I just intentionally fail hammered multiple times because I saw the vote counts before posting
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Post Post #1453 (isolation #180) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:18 pm

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That was a great deadthread read. love the commentary there everyone
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Post Post #1455 (isolation #181) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:14 am

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Yeah that part didn't hurt
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