Open 740: Hope Plus One [Game over]

[ReaperOfSouls]

VOTE: Clemency

[ReaperOfSouls]

UNVOTE: Clemency

Removing RVS vote.

[ReaperOfSouls]

UNVOTE: Clemency

Removing RVS vote.

what are you hoping to accomplish with this post?

Unvote, Vote Reaper

I'm not liking the Beetlejuice

Yeah if not for the first part of this post I'd be voting volx now.

Just simply unvoting.

[ReaperOfSouls]

UNVOTE: Clemency

Removing RVS vote.

what are you hoping to accomplish with this post?

Unvote, Vote Reaper

I'm not liking the Beetlejuice

Yeah if not for the first part of this post I'd be voting volx now.

Just simply unvoting.

But did it achieve anything for you?

Removed a random vote.Nothing of substance. Place marker for myself.
The style of some of players in this game are vastly different than any in the first game I was in here.

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I am observing and trying to pick up on things that can give me a lean one way or the other. But at this point, I don't have a direction that I feel confident in pursuing. After lunch time permitting(at work) I am going to start taking each player and ISO their posts and see if I can get a lean one way or the other.

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Ok, 9 pages to catch up on.

Think there's been a movement to paint Bambi as scum, about PR speculation and also jumping on almost50's bandwagon. DS and Volxion just casually parking their votes for completely different reasons, not actively attacking but softly sowing suspicion. Maybe I'm imagining it, but maybe not.

Yeah. I'm thinking there's probably one scum in {Bambi, volxen} but it's hard to say which at this point.
I'm still waiting for ROS to come back with some reads before I choose who to vote next.

I assume to see if it stays where it is?
I ISOed everyone. Having never played with any of you. Most everyone is a null read to me at this point. I don't have to ask if Clemency is always that random. I've already experienced enough to know the answer. My read there is he is completely random. Bambi I feel is random with a purpose. Differentiating what that is is proving difficult on first read. There's alot of random so far in this game. Not sure I like the naked votes by Adelbert Steiner. And something registered with volxen but I need to go back and reread. I see there are few that have sus feelings towards me. Not sure if it's my quietness or something else but I should be able to alleviate those by being more active than I have so far.
To sum up those ramblings I sit with everyone dead in middle, other than AS, Bambi and volxen and those are only first impressions. Nothing that I feel comfortable as of yet pushing.

[ReaperOfSouls]

Adelbert Steiner has been prodded.

ReaperOfSouls is approaching prod range.

OCC: Real life is kicking me right now. Work(guys in shop on vacation meaning I'm by myself alot,) games on here, running a game. By the way, is it acceptable to modkill someone just for being a royal pain in the ass? JK I wouldn't do that.

Now to the game. I apologize for lack of attention to this game. Let me read over the notes while I have a few minutes.

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I did ISO's on everyone the other day and virtually got nothing from what is mostly nothing posts. I see players trying to move the game forward but there is alot of nothing. The one thing that stands out is the two naked votes by Adelbert Steiner. That is the direction I feel most comfortable with at the moment.
VOTE: Adelbert Steiner

[ReaperOfSouls]

Who’s your main Reaper

IDU

[ReaperOfSouls]

If you are asking what I think you are and even if you aren't I'll answer it this way. This is my only account on mafiascum. I am still in my first game. Game I'm running isn't on here. I don't enough about how things work here to even let that thought enter into my mind(if that isn't overly obvious.)

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Okay, I thought about that post-saying that

Yeah and rereading I thought it best just to state the facts. So there's no misunderstandings.

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Well, welcome to Mafiascum, the one website that plays forum mafia that I can actually understand and read.

Glad to be here.

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ReaperOfSouls has apparently declared VLA on his profile.

No replacements yet for Adelbert.

Grand daughter on way. Sorry but family trumps mafia. I'll attempt to check in between waiting room and trips to and from hospital. Also on Grand dog duty. Can't count on phone reception in hospital.

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ReaperOfSouls has apparently declared VLA on his profile.

No replacements yet for Adelbert.

Grand daughter on way. Sorry but family trumps mafia. I'll attempt to check in between waiting room and trips to and from hospital. Also on Grand dog duty. Can't count on phone reception in hospital.

I only meant to highlight to everyone that you are away and will not be prodded since you hadn't said it in thread.

I meant no offence.

Take care of your family.

I didn't take it as such. I apologize if it sounded like it. I also apologize for not messaging you directly. Meant to. Alot going on. First Grand child.

Formatting fixed.
All cool Reaper
- BuJ

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ReaperOfSouls has apparently declared VLA on his profile.

No replacements yet for Adelbert.

Grand daughter on way. Sorry but family trumps mafia. I'll attempt to check in between waiting room and trips to and from hospital. Also on Grand dog duty. Can't count on phone reception in hospital.

I only meant to highlight to everyone that you are away and will not be prodded since you hadn't said it in thread.

I meant no offence.

Take care of your family.

EBWOP

I didn't take it as such. I apologize if it sounded like it. I also apologize for not messaging you directly. Meant to. Alot going on. First Grand child.

[ReaperOfSouls]

Sorry I have been away longer than I anticipated. I will try and get ISO reads in sometime today. But as I go back to work tomorrow, I have to get my vehicle back in complete working order(running over a deer at 65mph is not advisable.)

[ReaperOfSouls]

vote:RoS

A50 sent me

What's up 'Zo?

[ReaperOfSouls]

vote:RoS

A50 sent me

What's up 'Zo?

Hey, what did you think of the volx lynch?

Always a great day when you string up scum. As far as an analysis of the lynch, I need to do some homework when I get home from work today.

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AHHH yeah!

Gratz on the Grandchild!

Now I 'member why I wanted to 'member ya

@ROS

Unvote

Thank you sir.

[ReaperOfSouls]

volxen (7) (LYNCH): bristep123, Bambietta Basterbine, Egix96, davesaz, Gamma Emerald, Almost50, Sleepless Assassin

Right, let's see who's most likely to have bussed volx here:
bristep: I don't really see scum!bristep initiating a wagon on his own buddy here. So I'm willing to lean town on him for now.
Bambi: Claimed to have been peeked green by cop. Not lynching her this Day.
Egix: Oh hey that's me
dave: bristep's reasoning seems solid, I can buy it.
GE: I had him as a town lean D1 but I'm no longer so sure. He claims that he had volx as lock scum based on meta, maybe it was to justify an easy bus vote?
Almost: I have no idea what this guy has been doing all game. I don't believe his doc claim ftr.
Assassin: He's dead.

TLDR: If volxen was bussed, it's probably either dave or GE who did it. But honestly I'd be quite surprised if the wagon was pure since I think volxen was never not getting lynched in the end, scum might as well have bussed him at that point.

I'd have to go back and look at the timing of the votes, but if there's busing going on then it would have to come with your's or Dave's vote on. IMO. Not saying there is.

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Only thing would be to consider that Volxen put Egix at L-1 after it was clear DS was going to hammer having tried to do so already. Not saying it clears him but it's definitely something that leans me towards Dave rather than Egix. Also - Egix was on Volxen very early just like i was, literally 2 days into the game his vote was on Volxen, it shifted around but came back to Volx for the lynch. I don't think that scum would point at their buddy that early and consistently throughout the first phase (much like myself).

How closely did you look at Egix's trajectory through the day?
Wouldn't scum perhaps be on their partner early and often to distance?

His votes made #2 early, and then on moving vote back to him it was #3. Your's moved it pass the halfway point.

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Reaper trips my "not really scumhunting" radar, but it's tainted by the understandable low activity due to family events.

Something I am aiming to make amends for.

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I think 3 votes is a little early to panic.

Agreed.

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I'm as confident on dave as I am on you. If I eliminate all minor pointers and expand my pool, the remaining two scums are in the following 4 slots: Egix, Chibi, Alonzo & Reaper (in no particular order) 100% of the time.

Well one of them looks to be at L-1 then if Zo is town.

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intent

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So how many left?

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10 people are left.

Okay, I guess I can say this now and I'll see what Clem thinks of it: with me, you, plus whoever you checked as a core group, and considering you are dying tonight, would you want the other doctor to come out now?

It'll be 4 confirmed townies with only 1 scum left. Sounds decent to me.

9 left

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That's who I have also.

[ReaperOfSouls]

VOTE: Chibibear

Or I can pull it and wait on the 'confirmed.'

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My suspect group is down to Gamma, DS, and Chibibear. Of those the attempted double hammer by DS on Egix96 would seem to move them off. Leaving it between Gamma and Chibi. As I have had Chibi's slot as the scum from beginning that still gives me my lean.

[ReaperOfSouls]

The case against me is that I have been a huge gigantic failure for this entire game. Not a great case imo but naturally that’s my opinion.

No, the case against you is as mentioned by me above. Your spin that everything is down to you being a failure in the game but that isn't the case against you.

To clarify - Nobody is going to lynch you because you're bad town. You would be lynched because we believe you are scum. There is only 1 player in this game right now who doesn't want to lynch scum, I'm not that person.

BTdubs - Reaper I know you've had RL distractions (congrats also!) but your entire read on Chibi is based on Adelbert's 2 votes (and I think his only 2 posts) before idling out?

I am more of a gut read player. Moreso than most of the players I have experienced in my short time here. Adelbert had the slot in a hole, but upon replacement I usually look at the replacement as a entirely different player. Chibibear has done nothing since entering the game but play to past game with Gamma, and talk about how bad a player they are. If you notice they were always including Egix96 in the town reads before the inevitable. If you combine the two players, to me the read has only gotten more non town.

Plus it's a process of elimination with me. I came into today with 5 slots for the one scum slot left. Yourself, Gamma, DS, Alonzo, and Chibibear. Alonzo I had a slight TR on to begin with. Him being cleared makes that moot. DS, by virtue of the double hammer I can slide more towards the town side from the null pile. On a brief ISO, I feel you are TR. Which leaves Gamma and Chibibear. Of the two, Chibibear gives me more of a SR.

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My suspect group is down to Gamma, DS, and Chibibear. Of those the attempted double hammer by DS on Egix96 would seem to move them off. Leaving it between Gamma and Chibi. As I have had Chibi's slot as the scum from beginning that still gives me my lean.

I would also say like, why wouldn't my scum partner let me hammer them yesterday if I was scum

I mean that would have given me a ton of town cred. Kinda seemed like egix was trying to suss me by taking that away

I don't have you as a SR. Hammer happy yes

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VOTE: Chibibear

Or I can pull it and wait on the 'confirmed.'

Um

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Oops, my bad. My attention has been elsewhere, clearly.

'If' you are not the final scum, who is and why?

[ReaperOfSouls]

As stated above, either you or Gamma via PoE.

Btw if Bri flips scum I'm quitting mafia forever.

Well I can't speak for Gamma as it was between the two of you for me by process of elimination. But if you flip town. Mine would be another mislynch.

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As stated above, either you or Gamma via PoE.

Btw if Bri flips scum I'm quitting mafia forever.

Well I can't speak for Gamma as it was between the two of you for me by process of elimination. But if you flip town. Mine would be another mislynch.

I haven’t voted yet. Tbh I don’t see why people are clearing bristep

Case?

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No case, just skepticism

He presents as town more than the current suspects.

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No case, just skepticism

He presents as town more than the current suspects.

How?

You're the one that is leaning towards the other way you tell me.

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Where are the confirmed players. What are their opinions?

[ReaperOfSouls]

Vote Count 3.1:

ChibiBear (2):

bristep123, ReaperOfSouls

Gamma Emerald (1):

ChibiBear

Not Voting (6):

davesaz, Bambietta Basterbine, Clemency, DS, Gamma Emerald, Alonzo

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2018-12-22 19:35:00)

8 players left.
Cleared:Clemency, Bambi, Alonzo(if I am leaving someone out please inform, I am trying to get this plant started backup after this winter storm)
Cleared by inference: davesaz
I have a TR on bristep123.
Leaving Chibibear, Gamma, DS, and myself.
I know what my alignment is. But I understand you all can't take me at my word.
Leaving DS, Gamma, and Chibibear.
I prefer to lynch Chibibear. But I will go with town consensus.
We sit at 9 left with one scum. Let's process this and end it with the next lynch if possible. If not let's set it up where we maintain the overwhelming advantage we have. And yes I understand what that could mean.

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You have town who is willing to help. I am a team player and if this is the course of action that the town feels like it needs to do to clear things up then I will accept my fate and hope that it helps work for a town win. Means I win too. But I would hope that the time left in this phase goes towards vetting everyone that is not clear so that if I am the plan at this stage there is a course of action that follows when I flip town.

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I did an ISO on bristep123 and saw several things to make him a town read. It had been unclear because earlier his posting had seemed a bit manipulative, but in retrospect those things look much better. I don't think it helps town at this point to go into too much detail.

Agreed.

In your opinion the course of action to take?

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I could follow that road.

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If Chibibear flips town either Gamma or Dave have played well. Just saying.

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VOTE: quicknight

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I have a TR on Dave due alot to the fact that A50 was sure he was town. He was protecting him. I had the elimination down to Chihi and Gamma. I was wrong. I'll chalk it up to not reading their playstyle correctly. Gamma kept pointing at bri. Who I had have as solid town. If it's between Gamma and Dave. I know where I'm leaning. Someone will have to convince me.

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Show me where Gamma was pointing at me Reaper? What happened to 'I'll follow the town consensus' from yesterday?

I will follow the town consensus.

Give me a few. Have to respond to a machine call.

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As stated above, either you or Gamma via PoE.

Btw if Bri flips scum I'm quitting mafia forever.

Well I can't speak for Gamma as it was between the two of you for me by process of elimination. But if you flip town. Mine would be another mislynch.

I haven’t voted yet. Tbh I don’t see why people are clearing bristep

No case, just skepticism

No case, just skepticism

He presents as town more than the current suspects.

How?

I have no opinion on him, stop acting like I have to explain myself because I’m being contrary. There’s been 0 in depth explanation of the townreads on bristep and they’ve felt non-present throughout the game so I don’t get where they come from

To simplify:
I don’t have a reason to scumread bristep, I have a reason to not townread bristep.

Lolwut
Also have seen 0 towncasing of bristep

Lolwut
Also have seen 0 towncasing of bristep

Gam, why are you twitchy about me? Do you think I'm likely to be scum ahead of any of the others? It kinda bugs me but I'll tell you what's up, I led the charge on Volxen and got on board with Egix on D2. You look at my ISO initially it'll show you I'm not experienced enough to be playing that isolationist a game if I was scum.

You've had reads of your own and I haven't seen any cases from you either so lets go catch scum, Chibi or Reaper which way do you fall?

Chibi - Nobody is complaining that you're a bad player. They are ANALYSING YOUR BEHAVIOUR. You are the only one who has called yourself a bad player, or discounted your own reads. sorry if you had a bad experience in another game but as Dave says you are on day 3 still going on process of elimination with no analysis. People who are voting for you are doing so because they think you're scum. Nobody is putting you under the spotlight because they think you are a bad townie, that's totally on you I'm sorry.

I have a read on you but I’d prefer to hold onto it until someone posts an actual towncase
As for who I’d pick out of those two initial leaning is Chibi but I haven’t looked at RoS as much

Gamma calling for a town read on you, but offering nothing other than saying they differ in opinion.

[ReaperOfSouls]

Which means the decision today has to solidify the course of action for the next day phase.

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bristep123, I will do as the town wishes. Right now two of the confirmed town votes are on Gamma. One is dave.

I will be leaving to go to my son's to visit my Grand daughter and eat dinner. When I return I will do whatever the town majority wishes.

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VOTE: quicknight if needed

[ReaperOfSouls]

If Im the NK, go ROS>Dave

amirite?

You would be wrong.

[ReaperOfSouls]

Dont even think about tryna reap my soul=)

After I flip town I'm going to haunt you.

[ReaperOfSouls]

VOTE: davesaz

[ReaperOfSouls]

Since it'll end in my death or Alonzo's tonight, let's get this one right. Sigh. Don't naked vote that's scummy.

Alonzo, between all of them, do you still agree DS is innocent by actions and is 100% town? Do you townread or even nullread Reaper over Dave?

I have the advantage of knowing my alignment. So it's a question on DS v davesaz. I had dave cleared because of A50. DS by actions. I will gladly pull my vote while we debate dave v DS if you want.

[ReaperOfSouls]

This is a dave v DS question. Lynching me will not answer that. You lynch me and then you still have to decide that question when I flip town.

[ReaperOfSouls]

3. DS**
5. aslightrain Bambietta Basterbine*
6. lucca261 ReaperOfSouls*
7. JaxKazuto ofrhz** Alonzo*
8. davesaz
Bambi, Alonzo cleared by Clemency
Lynch me.
Either Bambi/Alonzo die
It's the remaining choosing between DS and dave.

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Either you or DS is scum. We chose you over Gamma. That seems to be a mistake in retrospect. Lynching me won't solve the question. It will get to a choice made by who ever is left between Bambi and Alonzo in LYLO.

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Unless I have you read wrong. Yes. Ironic they would go back to back...

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A50 had been protecting. I trusted him. I thought he had something I hadn't seen. Like I said I have the advantage of knowing that I flip town so it falls to the two of you. If it's not you then it has to be him.

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Could point out the obvious, but I won't. Hell it's right there....

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DS has played a great scum game. Completely fooled me. Bambi its on you to decide.

[ReaperOfSouls]

Good game DS. You deserve the win.

[ReaperOfSouls]

I'm not going to second guess the original plan. You didn't even vote for DS just now despite being so confident on the matter.

VOTE: Reaper


WIFOM be damned, this is the end.

Wrong decision.

[ReaperOfSouls]

VOTE: DS Just in case you come to your senses before DS gets to hammer

[ReaperOfSouls]

gg

Fooled me. You played great. Damnit.

[ReaperOfSouls]

@DS...How you think she'll feel on the flip?

[ReaperOfSouls]

Zo was in my first game here. (all of 4 now lol) that's way he plays.

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Don't really care at this point. You came into day 6 acting like a bitch about it.

DS has played a great scum game. Completely fooled me. Bambi its on you to decide.

If you went hung-ho instead of going "aw well, up to you Bambs" It'd be different.

Seriously? Maybe if you had actually played the last few days you could have seen instead of blaming it on the ones playing.

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I've been saying it was DAve or DS for a couple of votes now.

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DS played great. She knew the order of the plan. All she needed to do was get it to here. She figured you would just follow it.

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I'm a he btw

My apologies. The damn avatar. Like I said had this feeling when I was trying to make my case against dave that I was setting up the end exactly as you had planned. Fooled me. GG

[ReaperOfSouls]

Thanks for running the game. Very much appreciated!