Open 738: Purgatory | LA FIN

[Ausuka]

Hi.

[Ausuka]

Sure, if this is a WW reunion I have to get called opportunistic at least once right?

VOTE: Creature

[Ausuka]

For some reason I thought it was a 7:2 setup... learnt from the OP that there are in fact three mafia!

[Ausuka]

friendly reminder that Majority is 5 and duck has 3 votes on him rn

just don't hammer when not even a day has passed since SoD

This feels LAMIST honestly; I think the worst wagon was very hard to miss and he wasn't at risk of being hammered, like, anytime soon.

[Ausuka]

What if the team is {Lab, Creature, TW}?

-Kor (to both)

It really hasn't been very long since the game began. I don't get why you seem so convinced Creature's scum already. Also I don't think he really does the lurking thing as scum anymore.

[Ausuka]

was I replaced from this game?

I mean on the other hand

[Ausuka]

Weirdly it seems to take Creature 29 posts to produce actual scumhunting content.

[Ausuka]

I'm gonna aim for the long game.

Find one scum per hell phase
One town per heaven phase

Like what is actually the point of this post? I feel like it's supposed to be game-related content but it contains nothing except Creature saying "I'm going to try and identify who's scum and town" which literally everyone tries to do. If it was as easy as just "finding scum" town would win every game.

[Ausuka]

Actually I think the lynch is likely Creature anyways so not gonna post more about him for now.

honestly

#wolfposting
I have never started an honest sentence with the worst "honestly"

honestly i called him "very town" because he pinged town to me consistently while he is posting, i'm cognisant of the fact that him sounding like that early is town indicative...and also i was biased by korina's posting later

i think that slot's reasonably obviously town, i'll be reevaluating it but i don't feel like i should be paranoid...? or doubting that people who sound like town in rvs might be tEh ScUmZ?

Did you roll scum on me worst

[Ausuka]

so basically as of like page 4 i'm pretty sure there's at least one wolf int he {DrJ, Labby, KeySo} interactions. they felt like.. steery but not actually conductive to anything really happening if that makes sense. like there's something there which is just interactions for the sake of interactions and somebody is either peddling some bullshit or coasting through that conversation. i had some intense Keyser paranoia ln but in retrospect I'm pretty sure Labby is always a wolf before Keyser here

i was on around

{tw}
{lefty, Jek/Hy}
{Carmen, Creature, Volxen, Relly}
{LabRat, ?KeySo?}

Can you elaborate on your read on my predecessor? because you were pushing them earlier, they kinda just flaked after that, and I don't understand how they suddenly pop up as your top townread? You sort of backtrack on that a few minutes later but they're still like a townread for you.

[Ausuka]

ooh interesting a scumread on tw?
tell me more

honestly I kind of feel crazy for even entertaining the idea that tw has been bussing creature this whole time? but at the same time it kinda seems like something worst might do? idk

[Ausuka]

oh so we're pretending derp clears have actual merit or

?

I don’t think anyone should read any of pg 1 as anything but tongue in cheek shitposting

originally shitting on derpclears as an institution kinda rubbed me the wrong way but in this case i actually pretty strongly agree that the derpclear conversation/interaction between Labby and Carmen felt gross

I don't understand this. It definitely seems like Lefty was shitting on derpclears and I don't get how they were saying it was a gross conversation?

[Ausuka]

Okay this is too scummy from Keyser

VOTE: Keyser Soze

AWOO

[Ausuka]

Creature's entire dayplay recently has been orientated towards saving himself.

His vote and push on me has been completely devoid of substance and wasn't real. It was an easy compromise lynch because nobody townread my empty slot, Creature pushed that like an actual read. Now labrat says "I'll stop pushing you if you vote Keyser" and he goes and does exactly that immediately by saying "oh Keyser's recent posts wouldn't come from town lol."

Hanging anyone except him today is just a huge mistake.

[Ausuka]

Like yeah Keyser's vote there wasn't the best but from what he said afterwards it seems likely that he was townreading Creature there hence why he doesn't want that lynch - with less than a day left a compromise lynch does make some sense. And like 991 was a joke and I really don't think it's scum indicative at all.

wrt/ 954 I haven't exactly read the entire game but just because town emotion seems obvious to you doesn't mean every townie is going to interpret it in the same way - I do think TW is capable of faking emotions as scum and a fluid train of thought, and looking at 429 honestly I don't even see why scum can't fake that.

I think it is very rare to be "salty that (somebody) SRd you right" and I also don't get the impression Keyser is that kind of person. And again you interpreting those posts as town tells really does not mean that everybody has to.

wrt/ 1047; you don't need to be an extensive expert to know about Creature's meta; you can simply look at recent games in which he blurred the line. And a lot of people are just strongly against meta in general without any background knowledge of the player being discussed.

the lovers game thing was incorrect, yes, but that doesn't mean his intentions behind bringing it up were malicious; it's perfectly reasonable that he just saw the game, saw Irre buddying his buddies, and reporting his findings without thinking to check too much, since it was an off-the-cuff theory as he puts it. FTR there was a problem in that game with a town player not realizing the setup was Lovers so it's definitely possible the same happened to Keyser.

[Ausuka]

Creature's entire dayplay recently has been orientated towards saving himself.

Copypaste this post but replace my name with Ausuka when lynching her hell2

oh but I thought Keyser's recent posts were just too scummy to ignore?

[Ausuka]

Ausuka you should place a vote

I'm already voting Creature.

btw I don't see how keyser's posting is inconsistent with someone who is just demotivated.

[Ausuka]

there's a character limit of 3 million, which I broke, by a lot.

asdfghjjkl;

what

[Ausuka]

I mean “I was VT” in the past-tense when you aren’t even the top wagon?
That’s honestly bullshit.
But it’s just sad ;_;

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that post was a joke since we're all vanilla.

[Ausuka]

Doesn't he have like two votes on him though?

[Ausuka]

I don't get why he would pretend he was lynched as scum when that's obviously not the case? I really think that's just a joke honestly.

[Ausuka]

I believe so, yes.

[Ausuka]

volxen is the last one.

I have no objections of course.

[Ausuka]

Ouch ok.

Unless I get a reason to vote elsewhere will likely vote heaven in {Jekyll, Keyser}

[Ausuka]

I was only going to catch up until I got reads to play with; I work much better from realtime and don't enjoy catchup. Was that wrong of me?

Yeah Keyser wagon for heaven probably isn't happening but whatever.

Pedit: Why can't we sort him now?

[Ausuka]

Hey worst. Why should I vote volxen?

[Ausuka]

(I know that the basic answer to that is going to be "meta" like you've said in your ISO and I probably should've said that in the post above, sorry. I just don't understand why his ISO is so towny and I don't understand why his scumgame can't have just, improved - I don't think it's that rare.)

I'm concerned about him, mainly due to his general push of {Creature, Keyser, Eragon} i.e the most suspected players in the game as a category.

pedit: I think I'm alright at interacting with you? So I probably could just play for a few days and if I don't have a definite read back then go for the quotewalls etc.

[Ausuka]

(I know that the basic answer to that is going to be "meta" like you've said in your ISO and I probably should've said that in the post above, sorry. I just don't understand why his ISO is so towny and I don't understand why his scumgame can't have just, improved - I don't think it's that rare.)

I'm concerned about him, mainly due to his general push of {Creature, Keyser, Eragon} i.e the most suspected players in the game as a category.

pedit: I think I'm alright at interacting with you? So I probably could just play for a few days and if I don't have a definite read back then go for the quotewalls etc.

It's within the scope of his town meta pretty comfortably and it'd be like quite a stretch for his scum meta

I don't think his scum meta is currently gearing towards improving so dramatically in such specific ways so to speak - I hope this makes sense but if not hmu and I'll iso dive

Yeah idk I don't get that. Does he really have such a distinctive scum meta to the point where you can easily predict exactly how it would improve? I mean, I've had scum games before where people have just believed that I'm town because I played a terrible scumgame with them recently and they believe an extremely mediocre scumgame was beyond my capacity; I think that sometimes just playing scum, even if you don't do so well, can help you get used to it and perform better next time. And IMHO volxen's play in Watchmen really wasn't that bad and could've got him pretty far had things gone differently / the game had a different playerlist?

[Ausuka]

who do you think keyser is town?
i could see having some reasons for a town lean, but willing to put in heaven im suprised tbh.

good tone and his ate at the end of d2 felt genuine, seems interested in scumhunting similarly to other games i played with him.

w/ volxen and tw, tw's read had a lot more nuance and progression? and i feel like he had a large role in like setting those players as scumread, whereas volxen is just like "yeah a few of these points why eragon is townreading creature are kind of wrong" at a time when i think creature and eragon are considered the scummiest players here, and says "Any why doesn't he consider the possibility that Keyser could be pushing him as scum as well? Why is Keyser the only person on his wagon that gets a free pass?" while quoting creature openly entertaining the possibility keyser is scum. tw's reads feel a lot more developed than volxen's in this regard and also his entire reason for pushing eragon and keyser as scum is essentially "they make sense as buddies with creature" but he's also like "I'm like 99.99% certain that there is at least one scum among {Keyser, Creature, Eragon}. I don't see a world where they are all town." which doesn't actually account for how his push was revolved around creature and preflip associations. his push today is basically just "people on the Creature wagon are scum" which seems like a really surface level view and doesn't at all account for the possibility that scum might have just stayed off the wagon which happens regularly in games generally.

i'm tired right now so sorry if none of this makes sense.

[Ausuka]

(I know that the basic answer to that is going to be "meta" like you've said in your ISO and I probably should've said that in the post above, sorry. I just don't understand why his ISO is so towny and I don't understand why his scumgame can't have just, improved - I don't think it's that rare.)

I'm concerned about him, mainly due to his general push of {Creature, Keyser, Eragon} i.e the most suspected players in the game as a category.

pedit: I think I'm alright at interacting with you? So I probably could just play for a few days and if I don't have a definite read back then go for the quotewalls etc.

It's within the scope of his town meta pretty comfortably and it'd be like quite a stretch for his scum meta

I don't think his scum meta is currently gearing towards improving so dramatically in such specific ways so to speak - I hope this makes sense but if not hmu and I'll iso dive

Yeah idk I don't get that. Does he really have such a distinctive scum meta to the point where you can easily predict exactly how it would improve? I mean, I've had scum games before where people have just believed that I'm town because I played a terrible scumgame with them recently and they believe an extremely mediocre scumgame was beyond my capacity; I think that sometimes just playing scum, even if you don't do so well, can help you get used to it and perform better next time. And IMHO volxen's play in Watchmen really wasn't that bad and could've got him pretty far had things gone differently / the game had a different playerlist?

I think his town and scumganes have been pretty markedly different (we play together lots and maybe I've probably inadvertently read all of his games on site I guess). plus we're like buds and have talked a bit about how we approach both alignments + he's sought some feedback from myself and others about his play

so within reason, I think I can anticipate a trajectory of his scumplay/townplay development yeah. Sorry it might sound bizarre from the outside looking in but I feel really comfortable. Relly's defence makes me feel pretty comfortable too (I think he does this as either alignment but it doesn't present as s/s)

but like people can change? like when you metaread me in mafia month it didn't work because i had changed my scumgame to subvert your expectations knowing that i was scum and you were town and the best way to not be caught by you, considering how well you knew me, was just to try and play outside the boundaries of what you knew of my play? do you think volxen, if rolling scum against you, could try the same thing as that? i kinda hard doubt he would just sort of roll over and play to what you KNEW was his meta as scum?

[Ausuka]

but like people can change? like when you metaread me in mafia month it didn't work because i had changed my scumgame to subvert your expectations knowing that i was scum and you were town and the best way to not be caught by you, considering how well you knew me, was just to try and play outside the boundaries of what you knew of my play? do you think volxen, if rolling scum against you, could try the same thing as that? i kinda hard doubt he would just sort of roll over and play to what you KNEW was his meta as scum?

in fairness, you have over a year's experience over volxen and are kinda cognisant of how to avoid being meta scumread. like to some extents. for example rn you look exactly like town you but I'm holding off on the read to better analyse intent/trajectory alongside of meta pings.

Sure there's a world where volxen could be scum but also I kinda think his contributions have been really towny as well. I know they're easier to fake than say, mine, but they're still showing a pretty clean train of thought imo.

you're right that i have more experience over him but i also feel like you don't need experience to do this if that makes sense? like maybe i'm biased or something but I feel like you don't need experience to feel that, if you roll scum against someone who knows you and someone you've talked to about your scumgame, you would just avoid stuff you do in your scumgame and avoid stuff that you told that person you do as scum so you don't get caught. like, i think fooling people by subverting expectations is something that occurs outside mafia and is an idea i think most people would be familiar with even if they are completely new to the game of mafia itself.

[Ausuka]

Relly I'm having a moment of mania

how about we send Keyser to heaven

I'm not Irrele but sure, let's do it.

VOTE: Keyser Söze

[Ausuka]

who do you think keyser is town?
i could see having some reasons for a town lean, but willing to put in heaven im suprised tbh.

good tone and his ate at the end of d2 felt genuine, seems interested in scumhunting similarly to other games i played with him.

w/ volxen and tw, tw's read had a lot more nuance and progression? and i feel like he had a large role in like setting those players as scumread, whereas volxen is just like "yeah a few of these points why eragon is townreading creature are kind of wrong" at a time when i think creature and eragon are considered the scummiest players here, and says "Any why doesn't he consider the possibility that Keyser could be pushing him as scum as well? Why is Keyser the only person on his wagon that gets a free pass?" while quoting creature openly entertaining the possibility keyser is scum. tw's reads feel a lot more developed than volxen's in this regard and also his entire reason for pushing eragon and keyser as scum is essentially "they make sense as buddies with creature" but he's also like "I'm like 99.99% certain that there is at least one scum among {Keyser, Creature, Eragon}. I don't see a world where they are all town." which doesn't actually account for how his push was revolved around creature and preflip associations.

his push today is basically just "people on the Creature wagon are scum" which seems like a really surface level view and doesn't at all account for the possibility that scum might have just stayed off the wagon which happens regularly in games generally.

i'm tired right now so sorry if none of this makes sense.

@Ausuka, do you really think my conclusion about their being scum on Creature's wagon is unreasonable? Even in games with the usual town:scum ratio (e.g., 7:2, 10:3, etc.), I still believe that in the vast majority of cases, townies don't get lynched without scum involvement, especially on day one where the most votes are required to achieve a lynch. I have done this kind of VCA analysis, as town, in multiple newbie games that I have played.

In this game, I believe this applies even more-so than usual because the town:scum ratio is 6:3 rather than 7:2, and a third of the original playerlist is scum. To put it in perspective, there are only 6 townies, so if Creature's mislynch wagon was all-town, it would mean that 100% of his fellow town players all voted to lynch him, and that the scumteam is {Keyser, Eragon, Labrat}. I'm 99.99% confident that isn't the case.

I furthermore concluded that Irrelephant isn't the sole scum on Creature's wagon, because his vote didn't really make a significant difference in the outcome of day one (i.e., Creature would have been mislynched even if Irrelephant did not place the hammer vote). So what is wrong with my conclusion that there is scum among {TW, Dr. J, Ausuka} based on VCA? Do you really think I should be entertaining the notion of a {Keyser, Eragon, Labrat} scumteam at this point?

I'm not saying that no scum are on the Creature wagon; I'm saying that there may be 1 or 2 scum off it. The only reason the Creature wagon couldn't be all-town is that LabRat and Keyser were both outside it; I've played plenty of games with no scum on the d1 mislynch wagon. Town aren't actually all that good and townies suspect other townies all the time. It's perfectly reasonable to suppose that over a majority of townies would elect to lynch somebody, especially somebody acting suspicious. It's possible for Irrelephant to be the only scum on the wagon for example and I don't think it's possible to rule it out, even if there's a limited number of possible scumteams containing him.

Even ignoring accuracy, saying "in this game with 3 scum out of 9 players, there's probably 1 at least scum in {Ausuka, Jekyll, worst, volxen}" isn't really a helpful point and is also the only alignment-hunting you've done today.

[Ausuka]

Yeah, Labrat isn't mastina.

[Ausuka]

hi, sorry for disappearing for a bit. i've not really been feeling that well.

VOTE: Jekyll

i thought volxen's posts recently were towny and i don't scumread him anymore but he doesn't want heaven and neither does keyser so...

keyser, are you totally sure about this? i don't see anything exactly wrong with following that scumteam for now since the players you scumread are pretty likely to be scum but it's very difficult to nail the exact scumteam right now and I think you should be somewhat open to the possibility that you've gone wrong somewhere in the future; it might not be a good idea to base your decisions on your current theory throughout this entire game.

[Ausuka]

hi, sorry for disappearing for a bit. i've not really been feeling that well.

VOTE: Jekyll

i thought volxen's posts recently were towny and i don't scumread him anymore but he doesn't want heaven and neither does keyser so...

keyser, are you totally sure about this? i don't see anything exactly wrong with following that scumteam for now since the players you scumread are pretty likely to be scum but it's very difficult to nail the exact scumteam right now and I think you should be somewhat open to the possibility that you've gone wrong somewhere in the future; it might not be a good idea to base your decisions on your current theory throughout this entire game.

elaborate on your reads please, why do you think the team is me/irre/TW?

there, necessarily, has to be 3 scum in {eragon, jekyll, volxen, labrat, worst, keyser, irre}
i've always felt that jekyll and keyser are town; both feel genuine to me. i don't see keyser really behaving like this as scum and again he feels genuine in his convictions. i don't really see korina writing 300k words as scum either; even if the whole thing was mostly quotes i feel like it shows that they were going back and reading through the game in a very detailed way that probably doesn't come from scum.
volxen was less so but I kind of like the insistence that he shouldn't go to heaven despite lots of people thinking that he should and 1432 is towny also.
that leaves {worst, lab, irre, era} as the main pool i'm looking at and honestly that's enough for me to support a scumteam of 3 of them. irre feels shallower than i'd expect from him normally, worst has done some suspect stuff like saying he'd never begin a honest sentence with honestly and later doing that + the volxen thing may have been TMI, and labrat's push on keyser doesn't really feel genuine, like they're trying to throw as many things out there as possible just so the theory is really hard to totally disprove.

[Ausuka]

we should send volxen to heaven, in spite of himself

You also townread Jekyll who hasn't made any such objections, is there any reason you don't want to send them to heaven?

[Ausuka]

The lack of rejection from the rest of the thread makes me wanna not send Dr. J to heaven. I don't think he's a wolf but I think scum want him heaven'd

Jekyll would've been in heaven by now if there's a "lack of rejection" from the entire thread. Just because people aren't screaming about how bad of a vote it is.

Eragon is null to me. Like I get he probably shouldn't be but like I seriously don't know what to read him on, lol. Most of his posts just look null to me. Maybe I should catch up on d1 after all.

[Ausuka]

I'm honestly a little confused at tw town-reading me so heavily based of meta from

January

this year (the "I wear my heart on my sleeve" part? As far as I know its still in my chest ) and possibly reading another game where I was scum. I'd probably call it an attempt to buddy me, given I know him from back then, and am possibly likely to respond by TRing him.

UNVOTE:

I need to look a little closer at tw's ISO

this does kind of strike me as non-SvS? I don't see the point for Jekyll doing this as scum.

[Ausuka]

What about that post can't be SvS?

They focus on tw early in a way that suggests they're really being critical of his posts in a way I wouldn't expect from scumpartners and I think it would be unnecessary to push the spotlight onto him at that point.

Ausuka did you ever settle on a read for eragon?

I said that my read on him was null, didn't I? If I get a read on him when I'm reading the thread, I'll tell you.

[Ausuka]

You think scum-labrat is chainsaw defending scum-me on PAGE ONE against TWO PLAYERS?

I don't think it's too far-fetched that scum!Rat would chainsaw defend one of her scumbuddies against two players. And her two posts where she attacked both TW and Lefty for asking a question about your slot were on pages three and four, not on page one:

how do you read Key's entrance to the thread btw? I wanna try and sort him as quickly as possible so I can comfortably resume quoting The Usual Suspects and burninating scum.

Was the “I wanna try to sort Key as quick as possible” supposed to be an excuse for asking Left to post reads?

No?
but it def feels that way
OR it feels like your question to Lefty was just an excuse to show off your great town motivations.
Which one do you pick?

I don’t like the previous post either (the one I joked about). It’s prob not directly scum motivated, but it feels a really safe and non-personal way of questioning someone.

This was at the bottom of page three.

What’s your take on Soze so far? Is the ‘I thought it was just two goons’ and then the break down of DrJ/Rat following that line of thought something you think they’d do/are capable of as scum?

You know, sth like that could prob be faked by a 5-year old.
Possibly younger

It kinda feels like you didn't want to appear useless so decided to write

anything

that might appear helpful without actually considering if it makes sense to ask about that.
Do not do it like that. If you want to do sth, you can comment on the stuff:
-I wrote about duck,
-keyser wrote about me&DrJ,
-DrJ wrote about me/keiser
-or w/e.
Just pick a wagon and go with it, there’s no need to be wary here

And this was as the top of page four.

And both posts were written within seven minutes of each other, which makes it even more odd.

can you walk me through your thoughts when you were writing this volxen? what's the purpose of chainsaw defending somebody that early when suspicions are not set in stone?

[Ausuka]

Ausuka did you ever settle on a read for eragon?

I said that my read on him was null, didn't I? If I get a read on him when I'm reading the thread, I'll tell you.

Okay, fine, how has the flip changed your reads?

The flip itself doesn't change much for me other than generally losing confidence in my current reads as a whole. I never had any associations for anyone with Jekyll.

[Ausuka]

Tw is probably town based on the lack of any wagon - while I don't doubt scum could be WIFOMING there, I think thats much less unlikely than them leaving a wagon sit there.

Also, post 297 - it looks very town. I see plenty of town motivation there, it shows plenty of effort which I don't think scum is going to do if they can get by without it. Sort of similar to how someone in another game (town) literally made a chart with colour showing every vote

Furthermore, he kind of feels like he is enthusiastic. Maybe that sounds stupid and probably is, but just based on tone, I think he looks a lot more like town than scum.

I still am a little concerned at him seemingly trying to buddy me, but hmph, I'm probably reading too much into it

Hmm actually maybe that comment was stupid.

[Ausuka]

Do you think 388 is partner indicative or TMI cuz?

tbh I think it's partner indicative at least to the point of canceling out my earlier idea. The "this post has a bit of effort so it literally can't be scum" looks like it's explicitly trying to townread you rather than just TMI.

[Ausuka]

I was pretty consensus townread at that point. Do you think he'd feel the need to soft towncase his partner and wouldn't feel anxious about doing so?

Obviously he doesn't need to but I think a lot of players like to substantiate all their reads, especially as scum so that they can point to all their logical effort game-solving etc.

The other alternative was he was slipping into the pack without wanting to look like he was slipping into the pack which is frankly NAI or slightly antialigned imo

I mean that's possible too yeah.

[Ausuka]

Reading Jekyll's ISO I feel like they were SRing labrat and then just kind of flipped to townreading them for no reason? Am I missing something about this?

I tend to read random lengthy reads like that as anti partner indicative. If it was cheekily massaged into a larger read list I'd kinda get it but he sort of just broke into this random town!tw soliloquy which would be a very weird way of drawing associatives to yourself and your partner. Especially if you're looking at a {Dr. J, tw} scum dynamic which has a high chance of at least one of us going to heaven d2 and spewing the other.

Didn't they say before that point that they'd read into your ISO, though, in 320? I wouldn't say it was exactly random; they gave a light SR on you and then did a 180 pivot out of it.

[Ausuka]

You think scum-labrat is chainsaw defending scum-me on PAGE ONE against TWO PLAYERS?

I don't think it's too far-fetched that scum!Rat would chainsaw defend one of her scumbuddies against two players. And her two posts where she attacked both TW and Lefty for asking a question about your slot were on pages three and four, not on page one:

how do you read Key's entrance to the thread btw? I wanna try and sort him as quickly as possible so I can comfortably resume quoting The Usual Suspects and burninating scum.

Was the “I wanna try to sort Key as quick as possible” supposed to be an excuse for asking Left to post reads?

No?
but it def feels that way
OR it feels like your question to Lefty was just an excuse to show off your great town motivations.
Which one do you pick?

I don’t like the previous post either (the one I joked about). It’s prob not directly scum motivated, but it feels a really safe and non-personal way of questioning someone.

This was at the bottom of page three.

What’s your take on Soze so far? Is the ‘I thought it was just two goons’ and then the break down of DrJ/Rat following that line of thought something you think they’d do/are capable of as scum?

You know, sth like that could prob be faked by a 5-year old.
Possibly younger

It kinda feels like you didn't want to appear useless so decided to write

anything

that might appear helpful without actually considering if it makes sense to ask about that.
Do not do it like that. If you want to do sth, you can comment on the stuff:
-I wrote about duck,
-keyser wrote about me&DrJ,
-DrJ wrote about me/keiser
-or w/e.
Just pick a wagon and go with it, there’s no need to be wary here

And this was as the top of page four.

And both posts were written within seven minutes of each other, which makes it even more odd.

can you walk me through your thoughts when you were writing this volxen? what's the purpose of chainsaw defending somebody that early when suspicions are not set in stone?

At the time I wrote that post, Labrat was the player I was the most suspicious of, and I found it suspect that within a few minutes she attacked both TW and Lefty (your predecessor) for asking questions to each other about Keyser. I thought she might have been chainsaw defending Keyser because he was her scumbuddy.

Of course a lot has changed since then, as I think Keyser is town now.

Right I get that but I just want more detail on the "chainsaw defending Keyser because he was her scumbuddy" bit. What motivation exactly does Labrat have for doing that at the time, what's the point?

[Ausuka]

I can't not townread worst here I think.

[Ausuka]

Carmen and lefty both need to show up, willing to bet there's a scum in at least one of those two

Why did you think this?

[Ausuka]

[It's a pretty sharp focused push on Creature. Ausuka wasn't letting Creature survive D1. I don't think Creature ever got called up on this either...? Shouldn't have Ausuka been more aware of Creature's playstyle? My concern with this: Ausuka was definitely painting every action of Creature's as scum motivated: 1) Creature's lack of early scum hunting content 2) Creature's vote for me 3) Creature's vote for Ausuka.... there isn't much of an attempt to look from Creature's town/scum perspective]

I mean, fmpov I thought those things were all scum motivated - I thought the scum perspective made more sense. I was definitely wrong but being wrong doesn't make me scum; everyone is wrong sometimes.

I'm not going to get fustrated or have passionate reads just because you want me to? I'm just going to do what comes to me naturally.

[Ausuka]

era you were sring Jekyll earlier - how did you go from that to being willing to send them to heaven? also why did you never vote Jekyll on the first heaven phase?

[Ausuka]

You think scum-labrat is chainsaw defending scum-me on PAGE ONE against TWO PLAYERS?

I don't think it's too far-fetched that scum!Rat would chainsaw defend one of her scumbuddies against two players. And her two posts where she attacked both TW and Lefty for asking a question about your slot were on pages three and four, not on page one:

how do you read Key's entrance to the thread btw? I wanna try and sort him as quickly as possible so I can comfortably resume quoting The Usual Suspects and burninating scum.

Was the “I wanna try to sort Key as quick as possible” supposed to be an excuse for asking Left to post reads?

No?
but it def feels that way
OR it feels like your question to Lefty was just an excuse to show off your great town motivations.
Which one do you pick?

I don’t like the previous post either (the one I joked about). It’s prob not directly scum motivated, but it feels a really safe and non-personal way of questioning someone.

This was at the bottom of page three.

What’s your take on Soze so far? Is the ‘I thought it was just two goons’ and then the break down of DrJ/Rat following that line of thought something you think they’d do/are capable of as scum?

You know, sth like that could prob be faked by a 5-year old.
Possibly younger

It kinda feels like you didn't want to appear useless so decided to write

anything

that might appear helpful without actually considering if it makes sense to ask about that.
Do not do it like that. If you want to do sth, you can comment on the stuff:
-I wrote about duck,
-keyser wrote about me&DrJ,
-DrJ wrote about me/keiser
-or w/e.
Just pick a wagon and go with it, there’s no need to be wary here

And this was as the top of page four.

And both posts were written within seven minutes of each other, which makes it even more odd.

can you walk me through your thoughts when you were writing this volxen? what's the purpose of chainsaw defending somebody that early when suspicions are not set in stone?

At the time I wrote that post, Labrat was the player I was the most suspicious of, and I found it suspect that within a few minutes she attacked both TW and Lefty (your predecessor) for asking questions to each other about Keyser. I thought she might have been chainsaw defending Keyser because he was her scumbuddy.

Of course a lot has changed since then, as I think Keyser is town now.

Right I get that but I just want more detail on the "chainsaw defending Keyser because he was her scumbuddy" bit. What motivation exactly does Labrat have for doing that at the time, what's the point?

Because it's something scum frequently do (chainsaw defense), although TW makes a fair point that scum may be more likely to chainsaw defend a townie rather than a scumbuddy. Regardless, it just struck me as very odd that she attacked two different people who were asking each other questions about Keyser within a 7 minute period, and it came across to me like she was trying to shut down both questions (e.g., telling Lefty he should be doing something else).

Why would Lefty want to chainsaw defend someone because it's something that scum frequently do? I mean, you probably were trying to say that scum chainsaw defend often independent of my question, but I wanted an answer The second one especially very much does not come across that way; she's saying that Lefty shouldn't townread Keyser because what he did could easily be faked, rather than shutting down Lefty's suspicion of Keyser.

I can't really imagine any scenario in which Labrat's altness is alignment relevant.

[Ausuka]

If I was being more politicalful I probably should have nullread Ausuka here without commenting and seen if she punched me for it (I think town!suka does but scum!suka probably chills with being third from the bottom)

tbh I'm chill with that but that might just be because I'm kinda low-motivation rn.

[Ausuka]

honestly i feel like labrat this page is genuine

are we like sure volxen is town?

[Ausuka]

I mean.. to look at the players who have sat on their ass all day.



We stand before the precipice of defeat and I would have expected more urgency (talking to Volxen, ausuka.. and potentially Eragon here).


RE: Volxen - do you think you went too deep of a town read too early on D1?

RE: Eragon - I did like some of the meta points he raised (can you personally see a difference in your energy/WIM/game solving pointedness between this game our previous games together?)

What I'm doing is enough, and I've committed plenty of time to this game. If you don't like it that much then just vote me or something; I'm not going to drastically increase my investment in this game because you tell me to or make snide remarks about me.

Labrat is a firm townread for me by now. I don't see scum doing what they've been doing recently tbh.

Worst is volxen still your top tr? I feel like people townread him far too easily d1 and although he had a fairly towny d2 people have really exaggerated just how towny he actually is?
I'm going to try and see if Irre/volxen/Drj work together as a scumteam.

[Ausuka]

What did you think of my towncase on you Ausuka?

I mean yeah, I'm probably outside my scumrange? I don't examine my own meta and haven't reread Mafia Month in detail ever. Not entirely sure what you want me to talk about specifically.

[Ausuka]

I don't think there's any possibility that we lynch anyone but Rel today anyway so that's basically a foregone conclusion. I'm mainly thinking about tomorrow and the hell phase after that. If I find something that strongly indicates Rel town I guess I'd push against it but doubt I'd have much luck.

[Ausuka]

165 is heating Irre a little hard for earlygame tbh?

Also, quick readslist:
{DrJ}
{Volxen, Eragon}
{Irrel, Ausuka, TW}
{} - Null
{Lab(?), Soze(?)}
{Creature}
{}

This is kind of what I'd expect from a Drj/Volx/Irre team although Era and TW would also fit and so would I so probably not that conclusive. Does make Lab and Soeze look better though.

Here are my last words, lynch keyser or tw tomorrow, preferably the latter of the two, if scum send the other to heaven and lymch irrel and you'll have a good chance of winning. Good luck!

This wifom is grinding my head in.

Dr J obviously didn't want volxen in heaven; he wanted Keyser. This is confusing, but maybe also important? Jekyll obviously didn't really want to have town in heaven; if they did they would've resisted their lynch far more than they actually did. So either Dr J or Keyser must have been scum's target for heaven. However, Irrelephant wanted volxen to be elected.

So, listing the possibilities that I can see:
1) Scum wanted Dr. J in heaven, badly. I see Irre's Dr J vote as simply a protest vote - therefore I don't think this is exactly consistent with Irre's agenda for d2, unless he only began to care at the day-end and scum didn't care until then? Does that make sense?

2) Scum just didn't care. But in this case, why would they all be on the Jekyll wagon?

3) Scum preferred Jekyll but didn't care that much. But then like why would Irre keep suggesting alternatives?

4) Scum preferred Volxen. Jekyll wouldn't vote Volxen though.

So the only possibilities that exist wrt/ d2 on this team as far as I can see is that scum didn't care until the end, when they decided they wanted the Jekyll wagon (but why?) or they all just happened to decide Jekyll was best - which is possible, yeah, but I don't think likely exactly. Or Irre wanted Jekyll in heaven the whole time but decided to distance himself until he had to vote. Idk.

[Ausuka]

I've kinda been fine with my lynch

I wouldn't bite on a labby wagon personally.

[Ausuka]

tw and I agree the scum chat is very sad without you

:thinkign:

Is Irrelephant the kind of person who would vote his two scumbuddies successively at the beginning of the game?

In post 649, the worst wrote:
wild, I don't mind those reads

how do you feel about
Hell: Creature
Heaven: DrJ
Hell: Keyser
Heaven: Volxen

Confession I'm not 100% sure when the win is triggered but I think this just gets us there

also I feel mmmm pretty good about this?

if this wins Irrele the game I think him supporting it makes a lot of sense?

Okay

To start, volxen and I just finished a newbie game together tvt.
One of the biggest differences I saw in his play in the newbie vs in Watchmen Wanted was in how he formed reads. In WW his reads were something like "This player is pushing someone I think is town, therefore scum" and "lurking is scummy". That's about as deep as he ever got (read: so shallow they're not even in the water, even as he wrote walls to say it all)
In the newbie, his reads were "This player's suggestions help a pro-scum agenda, therefore scum" and "This player's play would be extremely risky and likely to fail if scum, therefore town". The first of the two reads I'm describing here (scumread on varsoon) was wrong, but he
a) clearly believed it
2) was considering other players' motivations in both cases, which showed much deeper thinking about "why" someone's play is scummy, rather than leaning on caricatures of scummy play to make other players more mislynchable.

From his 307 - "I would think town!Rat would understand that this game isn't just about everyone forming their own reads in isolation and then presenting their readslist to the rest of the group, but it's largely a game that involves interacting with everyone else to understand their motivations, which includes asking players questions such as, "what did you think about X from player Y?" The fact that Rat's initial reaction to both questions about Keyser was to immediately label them as attempts to be LAMIST rather than as genuine questions that were asked to gather information to help gamesolve, seems much more likely to come from scum than town."
This paragraph alone is halfway to townclearing for volxen imo. It reminds me of his push on Varsoon - probably wrong (if I'm right about labrat), but he believes it and is taking into account more than surface-level scum traits. He's really trying to find another player's motivations.

I won't say volxen HAS to be town here, because I will take into account his tryhard-ness and comments he's made about wanting to improve his scumgame, but I think his similarities to his play in the newbie and the difference between this and WW is notable and obvious - not to mention he is game solving mostly un-prompted so far, whereas a lot of the development of his reads in WW came after he was wagoned

the fact that tw also meta-townreads volxen helps confirm, as I think regardless of tw's alignment he'd probably agree that this is very different from the weak scumgame we've seen from volxen, and is very similar to town!volxen as seen elsewhere

How do you read him?

Super meh.

So I haven't finished reading yet but from what I've gathered so far I plan to vote keyser today.

[Ausuka]

Ausuka - thoughts about Eragon? Have you filed them under town..? Or Open to investigation?

Open to investigation. I haven't come across much yet that makes me lean one way or another. I'll probably find something eventually.

[Ausuka]

I mean the way Irre pushed on Era is probably somewhat town indicative for him. Seems like he was genuinely comfortable pushing that angle.

[Ausuka]

I know I'm sounding like a broken record fam but there is a wolf left. who is it?

If you're asking me, volxen. I believe it makes more sense than anything else.

[Ausuka]

do you think we had w/w wagons in Heaven 1? with rel pushing cw on his scumbuddy over his other scumbuddy?

I definitely don't think it's impossible. I previously thought that all scum being on the Jekyll wagon would mean they weren't ambivalent, and yet the more I think about it the more it's possible. I don't think Irre was very dedicated to pushing volx; he did it for a bit but then voted DrJ in a way that implies he didn't really care. Drj didn't care either. Volxen was opposed to him being in heaven and pro-Dr.J but Irre's comment about how we should send volx to heaven anyway implies that the scum mindset was that him saying that he shouldn't be elected doesn't have to mean that he wouldn't actually be elected. A show of towniness, more than anything else.

[Ausuka]

hi

[Ausuka]

I know I'm sounding like a broken record fam but there is a wolf left. who is it?

If you're asking me, volxen. I believe it makes more sense than anything else.

Except I'm not scum, so it's concerning that you've "settled" on me being scum as the explanation for everything. So why does me being scum "make more sense than anything else"?

Are you trying to imply that it's somehow a wrong or bad thing to have a scumread? I can't figure out what else I'm supposed to get from the first sentence.

As for why: Your play has generally felt worse than everyone else. I think you've made quite a few posts along the lines of "I'm pretty sure there is at least one scum among [TW, Rat, Keyser, and Rel]. - which is just empty speculation based on votecounts. I feel like your Rab push started from there and after that you were intending to scumread them, especially with the "Carmen wasn't scummy so can't be serious vote" thing; it was RVS so a vote like really doesn't need to be strong and I don't get why Labrat absolutely cannot feel like that post is sus. I also don't get why you don't think anyone could interpret 54 as LAMIST - 55 isn't a substantial post either. When you combine all of this with the complete lack of motivation for Labrat to actually chainsaw Keyser at this time and the fact that you started evading my questions about that subject, I think that you came into your first point from the viewpoint that you WANTED to vote for Labrat.

It seems like you came to that conclusion fairly easily, but if Creature is somehow obvious town, then several players (including myself) are missing it, so it's a bit concerning to me that he became your strongest townread so quickly and so easily.

I also thought this was suspect; there's no reason why someone can't townread a generally scumread player. That isn't scummy.

1152 is also suspect as I said earlier; it's an empty post just like "there is at least in this group of four people in a micro." that's trying to look like scumhunting but really isn't. Another thing I found suspicious is that he's like:

If we are sending someone off of Creature's wagon (Keyser, Labrat, Eragon) to Heaven, then I will need to ISO all three of them as I still haven't ruled out any of them from being scum.

@Keyser, would you send Labrat over Eragon to Heaven?

Except he seems to forget about that? Me, tw and Irre were all on the Creature wagon so I feel like he should've been confident in Labrat being scum out of his {lab, aus, tw, irre} scumpool but he isn't. Given this it seems like the whole VCA thing was merely a distraction to make it look like he was scumhunting.

I also just don't understand why he didn't want to be sent to heaven 1 as town; just saying he "wants to survive to endgame" which is ??

2122 is kinda just howling. This is a non-argument. And then he just tosses it out and decides me and tw can be scum after all? And then he tries to send Worst to heaven because he wants to lynch him? How does that ever come from a town POV?

Basically that's all the evidence I have for Volxen being scum. I don't think anyone else is nearly as scummy as he is.

[Ausuka]

honestly off the top of my head they seem different from WW, where they were town. correct me if im wrong plz.

As worst said I'm kind of burnt out on mafia and it kind of feels like a chore. Also I think I usually play games differently based on circumstances.

[Ausuka]

Yeah, scum only need their final member in Heaven to win.

[Ausuka]

Yeah, I didn't like Volxen's vote there on TW.
Volxen should be voting in:

"At the moment I am convinced that {Keyser, Eragon} are town"

This is no time to act in pride and prove a point to a player you're not even hard town reading... it's reckless...


Scum only need one more player in heaven, correct?

My concern is that if TW is town, he is wrong on one of Labrat or Ausuka, but I don't know if he will ever see that. His plan is to lynch me in the next hell phase, and then after I flip green he will want to lynch Eragon in the next one. That is his "plan" that he has laid out repeatedly.

Keyser you are my strongest townread, but I'm also concerned that TW might cost us the game because I believe he has locktowned scum. I don't want the martyrs to have to choose between lynching Labrat or Ausuka on judgement day.

If you and TW are both town, I would prefer for you to stick around in the game. And Eragon is hard townreading TW, so I'm taking that into account, and I do believe this could just be town!TW hard tunneling me as he has done this before as town.

This last part doesn't make sense though. If you trust Eragon's read on tw doesn't it logically follow to also follow tw, being town, on his Labby and me townreads? I don't see what's special about Eragon's read on tw and I don't like your turnaround on him just because he's likely to lynch you? Sending him up to heaven wouldn't eliminate him anyway. Worst would become a martyr and the final decision if we get there wouldn't be able to go ahead without his approval.

[Ausuka]

Yeah I'm planning to vote keyser for heaven 3 if we get there.

[Ausuka]

here now, sorry

[Ausuka]

VOTE: volxen

honestly this just ends the game. everything points to it

[Ausuka]

:/ i just feel lost now. i still don't think it's labrat and keyser doesn't seem likely so? maybe eragon?

i realize i'm probably getting lynched hell 4 so idk if you'll listen but i think it's much better to send keyser to heaven than eragon.

[Ausuka]

0mg, I'm s0rry

That is why we should have waited for Volxen to defend himself...

(I admittedly wanted him sorted anyway due to TW’s request anyway).

No more quicklynching now, agreed?


I’m now gonna continue looking at my town read of Eragon.

Town-Eragon wins us the game IMO.

Did I read the thread wrong or did you just hammer him?

I think that labrat is townier than eragon.

[Ausuka]

i'm sort of tight on free time?? since we have like tests coming up and i have to revise and i always take absolutely ages to write long posts and keyser has like a super gigantic ISO. but i'll do my best at least.

[Ausuka]

tbh agree with that, that's p much a I0ck-t0wn read f0r me
if y0u want fresh stuff, just I00k at Erag0n's read pr0gressi0n in the Iast 2 pages and the way he answered my requests t0 quick-Iynch v0Ixen

At first he said that he thinks v0Ix is the m0st IikeIy 0ne t0 fIip scum and he d0esn't mind v0ting him, yet he didn't v0te and just f0cused 0n finding aII 0f th0se weak and undependabIe interacti0ns in Irre's IS0

then Iater 0n, when I enc0uraged him t0 v0te again, he refused, "because he wanted t0 anaIyze stuff f0r a bit I0nger", which feIt Iike he Iegit did intend t0 get s0me inf0 0ut 0f what he was d0ing

I find it rather unIikeIy that he'd be s0 set 0n g0ing thr0ugh aII 0f th0se p0sts when:
1- m0st 0f them were 0bvi0usIy undependabIe and REAIIY easy t0 fake, s0 unIess he'd suddenIy start finding reaIIy imp0rtant interacti0ns, his wh0Ie eff0rt w0uId m0st pr0b g0 t0 waste
2- IiteraIIy every0ne is TRing him rn and by 0ffering t0 quickIynch v0Ix rn, I was basicaIIy giving scum!erag0n an 0pp0rtunity t0 get quickIynched t0 heaven with0ut having t0 d0 much
3- Era v0ting v0Ix after I asked him t0 d0 it w0uId be 0k with his reads and if v0Ix fIipped t0wn, the wh0Ie bIame w0uId pr0b g0 0n me anyways
4- Erag0n said that he's busy and trying t0 retire fr0m FM, s0 he w0uIdn't even need t0 d0 anything s0 unrewarding/weak and time-c0nsuming f0r pe0pIe t0 keep TRing him. He w0uId be perfectIy fine with just writing sh0rt reads, faking s0me pushes and then pretending that he has t0 d0 0ther stuff and pe0pIe w0uId stiII have m0st IikeIy TR him

Erag0n being s0 set 0n I00king thr0ugh the scums' IS0s and anaIyzing abs0IuteIy everything feeIs very t0wn-m0tivated

Hi Erag0n, wanna wag0n v0Ix with me? I can thr0w in s0me memes as a c0mpensati0n

im not against it

Ego-wise i want Volxen to flip town and you to be the scum because that means i was only hard-wrong on one read this game

Spoiler:

legit-wise i feel you are the towniest of the bunch, and feel natural/solve-y. i dont know your skill level, due to being an alt, but i legit dont think that matters? It would have to be hella god-tier to post what you have done as scum(From my point of view) and i just dont vibe it,

volxen, i thought they were towny D1. But i also recognized that there was possibility of them being scum.
Irrel's quick meta-read thing doesn't

really

feel like something scum does, at least what im used to
but i also remember irrel saying they love to WK their buddies


Ausuka's just kind of... there?
i do like their boldness, but scum can easily be bold.

If i had to say the most likely to flip scum reasonably, is ausuka.
if i had to say who i want to flip scum the most, its you(labrat)
if i had to say who i feel flips scum the most, volxen or ausuka.

basically, i feel lynching ausuka/volxen ends the game, and if it doesnt, i guess you just played a hell of a game.

It's volxen, it's just volxen

Vote with me eragon

]=

let my gears turn for a day or tw0

and c'm0n, just I00k at this sad face
Iike, I d0n't kn0w if I can even expIain it pr0erIy, but everything he did rn makes s0 much sense c0ming fr0m t0wn p0v im0

This is what you're talking about right Lab? I don't see why Eragon couldn't just have done it to look town; I wouldn't say his victory is literally a guarantee. And many people don't, like, think about everything they do as scum, they just try and emulate their towngame as much as possible until they win; Eragon might just have done that because that's what he would always do as town and he plays scum like he's playing town.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: keyser soeze

Let's just end this game. Nobody seems interested anymore and I'm confident enough that last scum is era to go ahead with this.

[Ausuka]

Dude everyone is already lynching me hell 4 there's no point saying any of that stuff. I feel confident that keyser and labby are town. Even if the jd decision isn't up to me, I'd much rather not lynch you today.

[Ausuka]

why would you not vote yourself here :/

[Ausuka]

I can't build a case right now. I haven't been able to for a while and I'm sorry that I haven't turned up. But like look at labby's d2 and you should see what I mean about her being genuine? Her emotions really did seem real there.

[Ausuka]

Like this could genuinely lose us the game and I just :/

Irre's push on era isn't towny at all. Irre was dying obviously nobody wanted to save him, why wouldn't he go ahead and make a push on his buddy?

[Ausuka]

Labby keyser isn't scum I know you've srd him for a while but why would he ever vote Era there if he was scum? It doesn't make any sense, voting himself probably wins the game.

[Ausuka]

Urgh I can't argue this because I can't understand how era is towny :/

Era made it to lylo in watchmen wanted if that helps and iirc everyone was confident he was town.

[Ausuka]

{volxen, Doc J}
{Lab, Ausuka, Keyser/TW}
{keyser/tw}
{irrel}

IMO here, irrel is always scum
one of keyser/TW is always scum
and then unless someone enlightened appears and changes something, one scum in Lab/Ausuka

i feel confident in the reads for Irrel/{keyser/TW}, but its the other scum that i feel is having a truly towny and good game, and the hardest to find.
ive already cased volxen, so i doubt that
Doc J just oozes towniness, and their catchu[p, while really onyl quotes(?) as someone said before, it shows thoughtfulness and looking back and basically towny.
Lab i have felt their progression to be towny and their ideaolgoy and theory have been pretty town-oriented
and ausuka doesnt feel off in any way, but probably my weakest townread

But wouldn't vote.

And he has been in poe?

I guess it doesn't matter what I say though so do whatever.

[Ausuka]

Urgh I can't argue this because I can't understand how era is towny :/

Era made it to lylo in watchmen wanted if that helps and iirc everyone was confident he was town.

Part of it is a meta read
I can't say I'm an expert in that, but he doesn't seem to be the type? to focus on fakimg the stuff I'm TRing him for here

Ugh, it's difficult to explain

I mean some people are just naturally kinda good at things and don't require specific focus to succeed?

btw scum bus and defend town all the time.

[Ausuka]

It was more a genuine feeling and I can't put that stuff into words at all. sorry.

[Ausuka]

I'm so confused. Are you saying that Eragon is scum? If so, since it's rng couldn't you be the lynch? Are you being sarcastic? if you are idgi.

[Ausuka]

I read that it was rng. If so yeahh my bad.

[Ausuka]

Yeah. Both eragon and you have 2 votes. So the chance we lose is only 50%.

[Ausuka]

Keyser was convinced Era was scum by the end. If you don't mind I'd like some time to make sure I haven't made a horrible mistake and then try and convince worst of this. Then you can lynch me or do whatever.

Pedit: I mean that's not scummy and I don't think worst will view it as such either.

[Ausuka]

and TW was kinda,,, easiIy f0rgettabIe in the game I pIayed with him bef0re

How?

[Ausuka]

Damn it we lost

Eragon has too much town cred = scum

I'm so confused. Are you saying that Eragon is scum? If so, since it's rng couldn't you be the lynch? Are you being sarcastic? if you are idgi.

I thought it’s expired?

I'm pretty sure this is Keyser saying Eragon is scum who did everything he could to be townread. That's the only way these posts make sense. There's nothing I don't understand about EOD iirc so if there are specific posts that you don't understand I could try and help with that.

[Ausuka]

Dude everyone is already lynching me hell 4 there's no point saying any of that stuff. I feel confident that keyser and labby are town. Even if the jd decision isn't up to me, I'd much rather not lynch you today.

“Don’t try to build a case or solve the game or anything becuase I’m being lynched next phase”

Totally.

Yes.

Being sarcastic isn't a point and that's literally all your post is.

Is Relly’s Scum-read/push on Eragon bothering anyone else?

im akshully very confident in an Irrel!scum here.

on top of not liking their posts this game, from what i have seen...

they do not have the same form of transparant towni-ness that they were fond of in WW.
Like, did anyone ever even scumread them in WW?
they were extremly obvious through thoughts, reads, wagons, etc... and even from a scum perspective i knew that was always going to be town

this game i have seen almost absolutely none of that, im not sure if its b/c different perspectives or what, but i do not see any similarities, and dislike their posts not-meta based either

Eragon first to post an articulate case on Relly D1...

okay actually a few thoughts before I go because the game isn't playable without all slots talking:

I still think tw is probably town, I just didn't feel good post-creature flip about his strong push there. But otoh the intensity of his push rang towny (not sure tw gets that intense against a friend just for a d1 mislynch), and imo creature was playing scummy anyway. Eh I still have bad feelings here, but the game makes more sense to me if he's town
Ausuka made some good points about volxen's play that, especially depending on who volxen is scum with, bring volxen back toward possible-scum, even though I still lean town for him too. Ausuka is also very bold if scum, challenging commonly held ideas.
Keyser/eragon always has a scum, possibly two. Keyser seems overeager to throw shade, eragon seem undereager to solve, both have strong scumgames and I wouldn't put it past them to manage to both be offwagon
I have literally no clue what to do with labrat because I've seen p much nothing from the slot d2 and only remember the keyser push from d1

Hot take: DrJ is the townie with the worst reads so far, which is why he is easy to wagon this game phase. Paranoid about the very popular push to Heaven them, but maybe scum are just looking to lynch townies in every phase idk.

Something like:
{me}
{the worst}
{volxen, ausuka, DrJ}
{labrat} - null
{keyser, eragon}

ausuka should maybe be a scumread, I haven't had time to analyze trajectory, just getting town from the bold play
I'm mentally on page 51, so do with this what you will

“Eragon seems under-eager to solve”

Let’s see.. shall we?

Who is the only person(other than maybe keyser?) That correctly read creature
Who actually MADE A CASE on volxen being town that’s not “Oh ThEiR fIrSt FiVe PoStS mAkE tHeM oBv ToWn On MeTa”
Who has been reconsidering reads
Who has 40 more posts than you and joined at the end of D1
Who has acually been in thread for the majority of time active?

So stop this bullshiting of yours


You call Ausuka either town or very bold scum for going against the trend?
WHAT ABOUT ME TOWNREADING CREATURE?
Do you have like, selective amnesia or some shit?

“Doc J is town with terrible reads”

Great doubtcastig you have there
Before you do crap like this actually make detailed reads of your own, or, you know, like actually make reads that aren’t sheeping TW and that you can explain yourself?



I think the only slot really not talking is you?

Lab has been very active
I’m here
Keyser is here
Ausuka is intermittent
Doc J is here
TW has presence
volxen has picked up a lot in d2

God daaamn this looks TOO GOOD to be scum theatre.

VOTE: Eragon

Literal LOL Ausuka.

“Keyser scumreads Eragon quite strongly”

It's almost like Keyser townreading you in the past doesn't mean he's currently townreading you, when he said at EOD that he wasn't!

I can't build a case right now. I haven't been able to for a while and I'm sorry that I haven't turned up. But like look at labby's d2 and you should see what I mean about her being genuine? Her emotions really did seem real there.

“8 haven’t been around to make a case or anything or really been around at all yet I’m 100% confident in lab/keyser being town and eragon being scum”

Makes sense

I have been around, I've read the thread. I haven't been able to make massive cases or whatever, but they're not necessary at all - the vast majority imo contain a lot of NAI content and not that many things are actually tells. And of course I'm not 100% confident, that's just a strawman. I felt that labby felt very genuine and that keyser's towniness leaked into his posts. Therefore, I thought that you were most likely to be scum, and Labby and Keyser should be the picks for town.

Like this could genuinely lose us the game and I just :/

Irre's push on era isn't towny at all. Irre was dying obviously nobody wanted to save him, why wouldn't he go ahead and make a push on his buddy?

When he pushes from the very start of the game?

He pushed me from basically the very beginning, not only when he was starting to get wagoned.

It’s obvious he had malicious intents.

Scum bus for no reason all the time, so since when he was pushing you d1 you didn't have a wagon I don't think that makes you town. Tbf looking back I misread keyser's post, that doesn't really matter though.

Labby keyser isn't scum I know you've srd him for a while but why would he ever vote Era there if he was scum? It doesn't make any sense, voting himself probably wins the game.

Labrat never said keyser was scum in the last page?

Not wanting keyser to heaven implies that she thinks there's a chance for keyser to be scum.

{volxen, Doc J}
{Lab, Ausuka, Keyser/TW}
{keyser/tw}
{irrel}

IMO here, irrel is always scum
one of keyser/TW is always scum
and then unless someone enlightened appears and changes something, one scum in Lab/Ausuka

i feel confident in the reads for Irrel/{keyser/TW}, but its the other scum that i feel is having a truly towny and good game, and the hardest to find.
ive already cased volxen, so i doubt that
Doc J just oozes towniness, and their catchu[p, while really onyl quotes(?) as someone said before, it shows thoughtfulness and looking back and basically towny.
Lab i have felt their progression to be towny and their ideaolgoy and theory have been pretty town-oriented
and ausuka doesnt feel off in any way, but probably my weakest townread

But wouldn't vote.

And he has been in poe?

I guess it doesn't matter what I say though so do whatever.

What is this even saying?

It means that you did townread Dr J strongly but wouldn't vote them for heaven, and that you have been in PoEs before in this game. Worst did tr you by the end iirc but you were definitely in his poe for a while.

VOTE: Eragon

@worst and keyser; Eragon is the last scum, if I'm wrong it's my fault and blame me all you like. Please don't screw this up.

[Ausuka]

fuck, I’m pr0babIy thr0wing rn
but it feeIs s0 wr0ng t0 even think Iike that

You won, dw about it

gg town.