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Post Post #102 (isolation #0) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:00 am

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oh yay this game started!
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Post Post #107 (isolation #1) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:48 am

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In post 23, Keyser Söze wrote:Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with
the worst
(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)
tw and I agree the scum chat is very sad without you
In post 36, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 31, LabRat01 wrote:do you think you'll be able to read him?
Played two consecutive completed games with him recently, so I hope that helps me.
In post 30, LabRat01 wrote:WIFOM says you're not scum partners:
If not,
as partners
, it would seem you've made too much of a conscious effort to try to distance eachother (through anti-distance...?)

Playful RVS vote eachother...
You going all about how you dug up their first scum game and read ten whole pages of it as part of meta research...
Creating an awkward dis-connection between you two, which I conclude is: 2xVT or 1 goon-1 VT interactions.
this sounds about right for town!Keyser on page 2
In post 59, the worst wrote:Hmmm. I have a fair bit of experience with keyser so I might hold off on exactly how to read him here for a bit if that's alright (I promise, the end result will make up for the inconvenience. :D)

I kinda wish more people would come to play at this point. If you have any other hot takes lmk. I know volxen and Relly for example are good at producing content.
I'm here! You're not in my townreads yet, I'll let you decide what to do with that
In post 66, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 49, Lefty wrote:MU doesn’t even work on my phone unless WiFi

Rip
Yeah, what the hell happened to MU, even in some browsers it's broken.
In post 51, the worst wrote:Keyser my love if you had to dayvig someone based off rvs who would it be and why?
Bit too early for that :giggle: but a
send to hell
vote on Lefty was suffice. Ask me again when everyone has posted.
In post 57, the worst wrote:as far as Keyser goes, he's not someone I would townread off a derpclear or tone or anything like that
I'm glad you put the breaks on here... I thought you were showing me too much love :wink: x
Your vote on Lefty is either a good one or too easy
I don't feel much from Lefty tbh, which is maybe a little scum indicative
I don't love that tw asked you to pick a scum from earlyposters even though you already had (busywork?)
In post 68, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote: I am here, game started when I was asleep.
@Mod, could we have what phase it is put in the thread title?

(Ik that we should know, however, just so its always known and someone can't use the argument of "well I didn't know it was (phase), otherwise I wouldn't have hammered them!")
slight townlean for this (more because it's Korina than if it was anyone else)
In post 71, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 51, the worst wrote:Keyser my love if you had to dayvig someone based off rvs who would it be and why?
Don’t cross the line though or a tragedy may occur
Spoiler: nudity and severe congenital defects
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That’s better
Spoiler: NSFW
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so many animal avatars in the game...
oh
oh my
:eek:
:lol:
In post 74, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 54, the worst wrote:how do you read Key's entrance to the thread btw? I wanna try and sort him as quickly as possible so I can comfortably resume quoting The Usual Suspects and burninating scum.
Was the “I wanna try to sort Key as quick as possible” supposed to be an excuse for asking Left to post reads?

No?
but it def feels that way
OR it feels like your question to Lefty was just an excuse to show off your great town motivations.
Which one do you pick?

I don’t like the previous post either (the one I joked about). It’s prob not directly scum motivated, but it feels a really safe and non-personal way of questioning someone.
I really don't know what is being said here
Yep, I've read it three times and still don't know
In post 102, Irrelephant11 wrote:oh yay this game started!
Irrel, do you have any thoughts about the game so far?

-Kor
I'm catching up, thank u
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Post Post #108 (isolation #2) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:50 am

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dumb
somehow there's an extra layer of quotes there, can't seem to fix it
Hopefully my responses are clear
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Post Post #113 (isolation #3) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:09 am

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VOTE: the worst
In post 76, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 55, Lefty wrote:What’s your take on Soze so far? Is the ‘I thought it was just two goons’ and then the break down of DrJ/Rat following that line of thought something you think they’d do/are capable of as scum?
You know, sth like that could prob be faked by a 5-year old.
Possibly younger

It kinda feels like you didn't want to appear useless so decided to write
anything
that might appear helpful without actually considering if it makes sense to ask about that.
Do not do it like that. If you want to do sth, you can comment on the stuff:
-I wrote about duck,
-keyser wrote about me&DrJ,
-DrJ wrote about me/keiser
-or w/e.
Just pick a wagon and go with it, there’s no need to be wary here
Sort of aggressive response, town points for that I think
In post 82, Keyser Söze wrote:I half answered it/revised post because of *ongoing game*...

But yeah, I went into this game thinking... ‘if I’m scum, I hope it’s with the worst!’

(I prefer scum hunting though, as VT my ideal role)
without a second thought about rolling scum with me? I'm hurt
In post 87, Keyser Söze wrote:Me and TW are in love with eachother right now, but his introduction was maybe 15% buddy-esque towards me (from his point of you I bet he thinks I was trying to buddy him too! (Maybe at 5% output though). But at least I’ve looked at other players! :giggle:
I don’t think his priority should be to sort me first, that was a surprising post from him.


P.EDIT will look at conversation now
What should his priority have been, you think?
ftr I maybe agree but want to see you go into it more
from Korina reminds me of town!him
In post 98, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Also, where the hell is Creature? I just realized that he's in the game trying to see who we haven't heard from.
If Creature keeps up this activity, I think its very safe to assume that he is scum.

-Kor
Though I feel like it's probably too early to say this

pedit: lol I was in the games Keyser and tw played together, so I was feeling left outttt :P
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Post Post #115 (isolation #4) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:15 am

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Korina is kinda LAMIST-y as town, at least based on the one game we played together
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Post Post #116 (isolation #5) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:15 am

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labrat come vote the worst with me
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Post Post #120 (isolation #6) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:18 am

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Oh, yes, I understand now
Sounds like you agree w/ me he is scum
vote him with me?
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Post Post #123 (isolation #7) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:22 am

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Korina, join us
Keyser, stop us if he's town
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Post Post #129 (isolation #8) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:43 am

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haha that works too
sorting the playerlist like
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So far I have seen 0 things that couldn't come from scum!tw and I think his suggestion that others sort you for him is more likely to come from scum!him than town, especially in a game with me in it (it would be hard for him to argue with me about your alignment if you were town and I correctly identified that)

pedit: yeah L-2 is fine in a micro, though, imo. L-1 is more dangerous, agree
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Post Post #131 (isolation #9) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:46 am

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giphy is a magical place
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Post Post #133 (isolation #10) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:50 am

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hmm I could see a left/tw s/s here

pedit: I mean I've only had two scumgames and in one of them we were all lovers (no bussing allowed, really)
but yes, so far that's my scum meta
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Post Post #137 (isolation #11) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:54 am

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In post 135, Keyser Söze wrote:That's weird, I've just been handed a note:

"I WILL BE LURKING FOR THE REST OF DAY 1. F**K META!"

- C R E A T U R E
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Post Post #138 (isolation #12) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:54 am

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/inb4 the hydra decides keyser/lab/me is the team
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Post Post #139 (isolation #13) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:56 am

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oh dangit I wasn't "inb4" AND I was wrong
hydra I feel like you're overreacting?
Which of you is Mr. Hyde because that's who I feel like we're getting
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Post Post #148 (isolation #14) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:10 am

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VOTE: Jekyll & Hyde
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Post Post #153 (isolation #15) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:16 am

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In post 151, LabRat01 wrote:I know that he's not the type to shitpost as town for long
do I know you?
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Post Post #156 (isolation #16) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:19 am

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oh fun, I didn't know I was interacting with an alt
I probably will never guess who you are because I always guess alts wrong, so enjoy knowing me while I don't know you! :P
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Post Post #157 (isolation #17) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:20 am

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Makes this...
Spoiler:
In post 71, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 51, the worst wrote:Keyser my love if you had to dayvig someone based off rvs who would it be and why?
Don’t cross the line though or a tragedy may occur
Spoiler: nudity and severe congenital defects
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That’s better
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so many animal avatars in the game...

:shifty: :shifty: :shifty: :lol:
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oh whoops I forgot double spoilers don't work
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Post Post #162 (isolation #19) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:26 am

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It was mostly for a reaction, they'd been overreacting to other things and I wanted to see what would happen if I voted them
Not much, so meh, probably still town. I can maybe buy the reason for "intentionally overreacting", even though I disagree that the things pointed out were AI for lab

rat/drj... possible scum partners but only if they planned for early theater from the get go
makes me wish I knew who labrat was to know if that fits her personality but for now it seems less likely
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Post Post #163 (isolation #20) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:27 am

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VOTE: the worst
I want him to come back to a wagon waiting :wink:
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Post Post #170 (isolation #21) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:20 am

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In post 165, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:How would Keyser know that unless he's scum?
He wouldn't (obviously) but he has good instincts as town
It was mostly just to get him involved in the conversation, though, I didn't really expect him to have more info than me
In post 165, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:I mean, do you have a reason why I shouldn't suspect that as the team?(Even though I think {TW, Lab, Creature} is more reasonable)
I mean, I would say "we're the wagon on tw, it would be too bold as scum for us to do this", but it would sound a lot better coming from someone else, u kno
Also do you really think it's the three of them?? I don't understand how you're this confident (especially on creature, who hasn't posted once?)
In post 165, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:What things did I point out and say were AI?
Also, Irrel, do I seem like the type of person that would do this as scum, especially when we just finished a game where I described my meta several times?
Your push on labrat is too much imo and I can't decide if it's more likely to come from scum!you or town!you
Like I don't have this super strong townread on labrat but I feel like you're really sure he's scum because... he contradicted himself?
tbf I guess it's towny of you to push him hard to get more that *is* AI from him, so I should probably just let you two do your thing and see how it goes
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Post Post #171 (isolation #22) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:21 am

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In post 169, Creature wrote:was I replaced from this game?
:lol: welcome creature!
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Post Post #207 (isolation #23) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:13 am

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In post 204, Creature wrote:
In post 99, LabRat01 wrote:“there was nothing in their RC”
Why are people talking so much about RC? Is it the player or what it means?
RC stood for rolecard, which mod has asked we not talk about

hi creature, I'm back! I think tw might be scum. What do you say to that?
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Post Post #209 (isolation #24) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:21 am

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In post 200, Creature wrote:also tbh I like this setup

just don't send me to heaven the first heaven phase.
slight townlean, maybe
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Post Post #227 (isolation #25) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:54 am

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In post 223, Creature wrote:
In post 156, Irrelephant11 wrote:oh fun, I didn't know I was interacting with an alt
I probably will never guess who you are because I always guess alts wrong, so enjoy knowing me while I don't know you! :P
It wasn't obvious it was an alt?
Lots of people come here from other sites?
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Post Post #304 (isolation #26) » Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:36 pm

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My first thought is I caught scum!tw from Presidents but my second thought is that I could maybe come around
Convince me lab is scum (that was your takeaway, yes?)
Oh and creature, talk to me more on that slot @tw
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Post Post #377 (isolation #27) » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:56 am

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Mod I’m always v/la saturday & sunday


My one thought without fully catching up is this seems like a towny volxen, unless he’s trying very very hard to improve his scumgame (no nuance there)
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Post Post #599 (isolation #28) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:02 am

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Hi I'm here and catching up
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Post Post #603 (isolation #29) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:25 am

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wow there's some long posts here
Anyone want to feed me a short version of what they're thinking rn?
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Post Post #609 (isolation #30) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:58 am

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In post 603, Irrelephant11 wrote:wow there's some long posts here
Anyone want to feed me a short version of what they're thinking rn?
no one ever takes me up on this
In post 305, the worst wrote:i don't know what you expect wrt creature :lol:
what's your read on lab?
I had lab at town at this point
In post 306, the worst wrote:and sorry relly :c i love catching teh scumz as much as the next adorbs animal but sadly you're on the wrong track this time
I mean rn you're super reminding me of your play in Presidents
Have I ever read you correctly though? I think only the once, when I repped into the game you were caught!SK, so your odds I'm reading you wrong are good :lol:
Still though you're super reminding me of American Presidents rn and super not reminding me of the amazingly solve-y tw I've seen before
In post 309, the worst wrote:Keyser.....are you trying to steer us off your scumbuddy?
Answer honestly
ew what
In post 311, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 309, the worst wrote:Keyser.....are you trying to steer us off your scumbuddy?
Answer honestly
And here you’re already linking me with labrat.

You saying me defending / town leaning / wanting to give Rat room as “trying to steer us off (my) scumbuddy” again feels too intense.

I.e TMI. Why can’t I be a townie with a wrong read here?
I sorta don't love the last sentence, can't name why
wait yeah it's because it sort of assumes a scum!labrat even though keyser was townreading him I think
could just be keyser using wording I don't like though, let me not get caught up in this
In post 313, the worst wrote:
In post 311, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 309, the worst wrote:Keyser.....are you trying to steer us off your scumbuddy?
Answer honestly
And here you’re already linking me with labrat.

You saying me defending / town leaning / wanting to give Rat room as “trying to steer us off (my) scumbuddy” again feels too intense.

I.e TMI. Why can’t I be a townie with a wrong read here?
this is too much :( :( :( goddamnit man i just wanted you to be town just this once FUCK
This feels like way too strong a reaction
tw why are you scummmm
In post 315, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 313, the worst wrote:
In post 311, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 309, the worst wrote:Keyser.....are you trying to steer us off your scumbuddy?
Answer honestly
And here you’re already linking me with labrat.

You saying me defending / town leaning / wanting to give Rat room as “trying to steer us off (my) scumbuddy” again feels too intense.

I.e TMI. Why can’t I be a townie with a wrong read here?
this is too much :( :( :( goddamnit man i just wanted you to be town just this once FUCK
Again, why can’t I be town who isn’t scum-reading Labrat?

This overdramatic foreplay still doesn’t answer my question.

Why am I scum forcefully ‘steering’ off players from my ‘scumpartner’?

This new narrative about me and labrat being scum partners is very concerning.
anyway the takeaway from this conversation is that my first feeling of town!keyser, scum!tw still feels very correct.
In post 317, Creature wrote:
In post 278, Keyser Söze wrote:Me same level as creature?
Yeah, you're probably below
lol
oh but also, no
In post 323, Creature wrote:Also if I was scum I'd be more willing to give townreads. I'm rn struggling to get decent reads.
Can you give an example of town!you struggling to get decent reads? I'm not really believing this post... at all
In post 324, the worst wrote:
In post 315, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 313, the worst wrote:
In post 311, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 309, the worst wrote:Keyser.....are you trying to steer us off your scumbuddy?
Answer honestly
And here you’re already linking me with labrat.

You saying me defending / town leaning / wanting to give Rat room as “trying to steer us off (my) scumbuddy” again feels too intense.

I.e TMI. Why can’t I be a townie with a wrong read here?
this is too much :( :( :( goddamnit man i just wanted you to be town just this once FUCK
Again, why can’t I be town who isn’t scum-reading Labrat?

This overdramatic foreplay still doesn’t answer my question.

Why am I scum forcefully ‘steering’ off players from my ‘scumpartner’?

This new narrative about me and labrat being scum partners is very concerning.
i asked you a question, i'm not pushing the fact i s/s read you all that hard atm because i was hoping you'd laugh it off and give me more shiny content. :(
what's your angle here? like fyi i'd rather flip labby first and work it out from there but i don't townread you either and there's nothing that's disallowing me from reading you guys as s/s

what's the aversion to this question?
tbf I did have an early game though that keyser and labrat are probably on the same team, and though I would be more surprised than not if either flipped red I would definitely look at the other one next
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Post Post #615 (isolation #31) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:20 am

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oh actually I remember that one (I was in the other friemds game), meh okay
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Post Post #618 (isolation #32) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:33 am

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I would like to send volxen to heaven please
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Post Post #620 (isolation #33) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:35 am

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labrat is probably town, too
way too many words to be scum for like 80% of players
I'll double-check this before sending them to heaven but not interested in a labrat lynch atm
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Post Post #623 (isolation #34) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:48 am

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Interesting that you said "him"... My alt guess is also male even though this alt says "pronoun: she"
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Post Post #632 (isolation #35) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:05 am

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Still don't really understand volxen's scumread of labrat? Like it seemed like it came from "there has to be 1 scum in {tw, labrat}" and imo tw is scummier here
In post 356, Keyser Söze wrote:If LabRat flips scum - we never send me to heaven. Deal?
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In post 358, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 356, Keyser Söze wrote:If LabRat flips scum - we never send me to heaven. Deal?
I didn't read anything past the last post I quoted, so sorry if I missed anything, but that post is worthless

If you think that I'm town, then defend me and talk about it so that even IF you're wrong, the other people might prove you wrong
telling people to punish you IF I flip scum feels like you're acting all high and mighty to gain the towncreed when I flip town

I've seen people do it as town and tbf I also did it once near the end of the game when I was really confident in my reads, but just don't because it's making me feel weird
you're not even townreading me
I actually really like this post and would like to think it's anti-partner indicative for keyser/labrat but the fact that it came shortly after paranoia about a keyser/labrat team makes me less sure
Still though I didn't even think of Keyser's "deal" this way and think it's overall towny that this pinged you, especially since I feel like it might not even occur to you that Keyser's "deal" is sour if you weren't measuring it against your own town-alignment
In post 384, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 377, Irrelephant11 wrote:My one thought without fully catching up is this seems like a towny volxen, unless he’s trying very very hard to improve his scumgame (no nuance there)
Improvement noticed too... would like to witness wider focus though.
is this you saying he's "improved scum" or that he's town?
It's theoretically possible this is his improved scumgame (and he's tryhard enough to get there) but it's a BIG jump from easy-to-lynch-d1 scum!volxen from WW
In post 388, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Tw is probably town based on the lack of any wagon - while I don't doubt scum could be WIFOMING there, I think thats much less unlikely than them leaving a wagon sit there.

-snip-

I still am a little concerned at him seemingly trying to buddy me, but hmph, I'm probably reading too much into it
I think this is a pretty meh wagonomics read, only three of us have shown any interest in voting him and I pulled it together really quickly by asking them to vote him i.e. I think it's definitely possible tw is scum with 2-3 town on-wagon. Actually if he's scum it's probably always with one of keyser/labrat given scum would not feel in-danger at all if they can shift momentum at their leisure
meh maybe that's too picky a read but overall I still think this is a bad reason to townread tw

I also have definitely gotten pocket-y vibes from him regarding your slot ("so pure!!!!" iirc?).
In post 390, LabRat01 wrote: how does volx play as scum?
without nuance
haha to explain further he seems to really struggle as scum to come up with thought-out reasoning for his reads. His reads aren't perfect but the amount of thought that goes into them shows a lot about his alignment (I think he's almost certainly town here)
In post 398, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Labrat, well, I'm getting plenty of scum pings there.

-snip-

Overall I think Labrat is scum and led a wagon on TW
And when he saw it wasn't going anywhere unvoted

-snip-
I led the wagon on tw. Does that change your read on labrat at all?
In post 401, the worst wrote: I literally have no idea what you're asking me for here LOL
if it's in relation to a specific post can you quote that post?

sorry to be difficult but your line of questioning is really jarring with the way I think for some reason
It's posts like these that keep swinging me back to scum!tw every time
I swear I've seen scum!him make this post before
I might be caught in confbias though so let me assume he's town for a bit and see what that does for me
In post 404, the worst wrote:
In post 336, Creature wrote:
In post 334, the worst wrote:we actually just hydra'd in a game, maybe i've learned more from him than i realised?
Learned to misread me like three games a row from him?
well we only just hydra'd so...no?
also you used this "misreading me" thing as scum in Heroes Wanted didn't you? I use the same argument as scum.. :lol:
town!tw is probably right about creature?
scum!tw might be right about creature tbh
In post 407, Keyser Söze wrote:Both my t/leans and the players I’m not t/reading are loving TW.
Willing to except I’m wrong about him...
this wagon has been killed.
UNVOTE:
this seems like bad reasoning?
Like where's the usual Keyser-brand push against the grain
Is there a world where Keyser and tw are both scum?
Anyway if tw is town here (like I'm trying to read everything as) this is scummy - "oh there's no more support for the lynch? Then he's town!"
In post 411, the worst wrote:
In post 350, Keyser Söze wrote:You think scum-labrat is chainsaw defending scum-me on PAGE ONE against TWO PLAYERS?
why is this so ridiculous...?
the reason chainsawing is a scumtell is that inexperienced scum players tend to do it unintentionally :lol:
lol
In post 421, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 411, the worst wrote:
In post 350, Keyser Söze wrote:You think scum-labrat is chainsaw defending scum-me on PAGE ONE against TWO PLAYERS?
why is this so ridiculous...?
the reason chainsawing is a scumtell is that inexperienced scum players tend to do it unintentionally :lol:
I was just being OMGUS’y against you and Volxen it seems......... unwilling to accept being scum read unjustly.

[In truth though, in that scenario, ‘scum-LabRat’ was using me as a springboard to attack ‘townies’ for questioning me (who she knows is town).]

Obviously, I’m terribly wrong about everyone.

Let’s kill LabRat then “town”.

VOTE: LabRat
This post is bizarre.
In post 422, the worst wrote:
In post 371, volxen wrote:If you are town, you are really misunderstanding why I am scumreading you
volxy i owe you a drink postgame regardless of alignments ~_~
trying to townread tw still but this also reads pocket-y
In post 424, the worst wrote:just musing bc i've got to the top of this page:

there is a world where i'm wrong on labby
i don't think i'm wrong on creature and i think keyser is more likely scum than labby if i'm wrong on them being s/s

the language around "if labby flips red..." and the fact keyser appears to be JUMPING INTO their associatives so heavily pings agenda-ey, but feels anti-s/s. at the same time i think keyser knows that this kind of behaviour doesn't look like s/s so i feel like he might even do it as s/s? i need to have a better think abt this but like i'm vibing

hell: Creature unless he towns, Keyser
heaven: volxen, DrJ, maybe me
If tw is town, this is probably mostly accurate. I had some of the same feelings about Keyser in his posts leading up to thiso ne
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Post Post #633 (isolation #36) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:06 am

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In post 427, the worst wrote:
In post 423, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 408, the worst wrote: what's your read on keyser, labby?
I don't really have a read on him rn, most of his posts are tonally composed and he doesn't show many emotions besides those few posts where he seemed surprised for you SRing him and the happiness/jokiness from time to time. Like, I don't think I can read that. I'd probably need to read some of his games (or at least the ISOs) to check if he's normally that reactionless as now, but for now meh.

If there's anything I could said to have pinged me, it would be his suggestion to "never lynch him to heaven if I flip scum". Like, that was just bad and I don't get his reasoning for thinking that "the martyrs would have obviously lynched him",
Kind of seemed like a cheap excuse, but again, I don't think I'm able to tell if he really forgot about the judgment day mechanics or not so it's not a read I value strongly

idk, honestly, I've been kind of flaking with reading him, but I'll prob have to change that when I can along with my other bad reads on the nuller half of the playerlist
nnnnnnnnnhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

VOTE: Keyser
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In post 428, Keyser Söze wrote:Ah so Lab Rat is town now?
In post 429, the worst wrote:I DON'T KNOW KEYSER
this is actually probably the towniest thing from tw yet :lol: :lol:
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Post Post #634 (isolation #37) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:09 am

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VOTE: keyser
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Post Post #635 (isolation #38) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:11 am

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keyser what's your read on creature rn
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Post Post #641 (isolation #39) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:56 am

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Spoiler: hmmmm
In post 547, the worst wrote:keyser
scumcasing you to you accomplishes two things
1) it tells you what i am looking for to townread you
2) it makes you self-aware so that i lose any tells i have on you currently

spend more time solving and less time fussing over me pls. i am not scum, clearly, and you should try and solve as though i'm cleared
In post 548, Keyser Söze wrote:1) I’d rather you present to the whole playerlist why you think I am scum. Surely you want me lynched? Even Volxen wanted to escalate it into a consolidation.
2) I don’t want you to keep peddling my lynch/wagon through to D3, and beyond, as I am very misslynchable. I rather we deal with it over 1 or 2 pages then continue from there.
3) I personally don’t like you linking me to LabRat, and to Creature.
4) disagree with your point two: If I magically transform you can still s/read me for changing up my playstyle to fit your idea of what town-Keyser is
5) If I believe your scum-case I think I’ll be more inclined to trust you. All I feel is agenda-driven pushes from you so far.
In post 549, the worst wrote:1) I want Creature lynched today, we can lynch his buddy next hell phase :?
2) why are you mislynchable? This list should be able to read you fairly well if you're town I would think?
3) I'm linking you to Creature more strongly than LabRat. your associatives with Labby can easily be mistaken (just your recent posts feel very agenda-driven around hard-pushing for her lynch ://)
4) that's an holistic statement and is probably not super relevant atm anyway
5) how so? :P what do you think my agenda is here other than sorting players and nuking teh scumz?
In post 577, the worst wrote:while i'm on a roll someone talk to me about something with keyser

i'm used to seeing a dude with a badass attitude who doesn't give a fuck how he's perceived. he delivers reads whimsically and wonderfully and rarely looks to be townread by it.
this is what causes people to reactively think he's a wolf, there's like a lack of the logical, blood sweat & tears type of reads you expect to see
this game his reads have been markedly less interesting and nuanced than usual and carry the feel that he's delivering them to get townread rather than advance the game

someone who isn't keyser please engage with me on this (lookin @ u rel)
i've already kinda said more than i wanted to say but it's nibbling on my brain


I mostly don't feel like this is tvt (the two of you are normally great at reading each other) but I can't decide how to resolve it from there
tw has had more moments I dislike in isolation
I have not had any mindmelds with keyser, on the other hand, which I normally have like every third page when we're t/t (besides my tunnel on him the first time we played together)
It's probably not svs even though I kinda like to flatter myself and say you two would maybe put on this show just for me
I also think tw has gone WAY up in the past like 6-8 pages in game-solving and I think his Creature case is somewhat compelling, and I agree with his townreads on volxen and the hydra, not to mention keyser unvoted tw with super weak reasoning?? so for now I'm leaning town!tw if I have to pick a town

There's a CARMEN this game???????????????
that maybe explains why I feel like I have only been able to find two scum at a time
In post 591, Keyser Söze wrote:We really need 9 active voices, with a third of us being scum. There has been a stagnant focus on me, LabRat and Creature so far which I don’t like. That is not a gamesolve.
there was a couple minutes where I did indeed think this was the game solve :lol:

Carmen and lefty both need to show up, willing to bet there's a scum in at least one of those two
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Post Post #642 (isolation #40) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:27 am

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why did people stop talking when I showed up? lame
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Post Post #643 (isolation #41) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:27 am

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In post 642, Irrelephant11 wrote:why did people stop talking when I caught up? lame
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Post Post #647 (isolation #42) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:50 am

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...
I don't think you're scum here. You're right that it died somewhere between 547 and 552
Also I went back to re-read American Presidents and I think I was conflating it with your play in Watchmen Wanted. You have a few tonal moments of similarity, but you're right that it is probably mostly personality

Spoiler: this is like sorta similar to your early play here, but
In post 1305, the worst wrote: WIFOMy as fuck but I actually kinda agree that Gamma's scumflip spews Gustavo as town.

Keyser's take on Irrelephant/self TvT read my mind. actually being itt both of them feel legit.

doesn't feel like town reacting to a case scum is making on them. @Gamma do you feel grossly misrepped by town!Key or actually think scum!Key is pushing you? it feels like you're not really willing to commit to either take?

In post 1250, skitter30 wrote:nauci is probably town too
super interested in why you think this, the nullness of my read on Nauci is like. nibbling at the back of my skull.
In post 1255, skitter30 wrote:i kinda want a mom wagon to be a thing

my gut's screaming that gamma is a mislynch. it doesn't really feel like a wagon on scum to me
what part of the wagon composition is bugging you? note for myself to reconsider this.

idk that you've ever as town said that "nibbling at the back of my skull" thing (which I think you have said this game) but I doubt I just found a magical tell for you, so... great!

{me}
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{Carmen, lefty} - null
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Post Post #648 (isolation #43) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:52 am

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tw sort labrat and lefty for me
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Post Post #651 (isolation #44) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:57 am

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The win is {two scum in hell}
If scum achieve parity after a hell phase mislynch, martyrs get an extra hell lynch to hit scum
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Post Post #652 (isolation #45) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:02 am

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In post 649, the worst wrote:wild, I don't mind those reads

how do you feel about
Hell: Creature
Heaven: DrJ
Hell: Keyser
Heaven: Volxen

Confession I'm not 100% sure when the win is triggered but I think this just gets us there
also I feel mmmm pretty good about this? Carmen/lefty showing up could unseat any of these, really, but that can wait
I think I maybe like swapping volxen/DrJ, or putting you in the second Heaven if we get there
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Post Post #653 (isolation #46) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:03 am

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In post 650, the worst wrote:
In post 648, Irrelephant11 wrote:tw sort labrat and lefty for me
I'm sorry :( labrat is either town or scum with keyser and keyser's later against her makes him read unaligned with her so like 60% of the time she's town but it's not a great confidence read (she did push some buuuullshit with aggression which I think she would agree with post-game (a la scum!me bahaha))

I think Lefty vibed very slightly more town than scum
this is basically where I'm at, except with lefty's activity falling off a cliff (I think you said it was an NAI activity drop? but still) I can't really justify holding onto a stale townread after the game has gotten so much more complex
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Post Post #660 (isolation #47) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:53 am

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In post 656, Creature wrote:
In post 649, the worst wrote:how do you feel about
Hell: Creature
Heaven: DrJ
Hell: Keyser
Heaven: Volxen
Sure, the game will end as soon Volxen is sent to heaven.
As in, you think DrJ and Volxen are both scum?
As are me and tw?
or?

also I'm definitely sheeping tw on you, yes. prove us wrong
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Post Post #669 (isolation #48) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:00 am

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In post 528, Creature wrote:
In post 522, volxen wrote:
In post 518, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:We'll, I'm off to bed
Hoping town does the right thing and votes creature

It will flip scum, I'm 99% sure

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Also @tw what 521 page monstrosity is that?! :eek:
Yes, that's why I asked TW about it as well. I don't intend to read all 521 pages of Heroes Wanted, but I feel like reading a portion of it could hopefully help me to understand TW's meta read of Creature. That's why I would like TW to narrow down what portion of that game would be most beneficial to read.
lol this post
Is this the entirety of your read on volxen or
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Post Post #672 (isolation #49) » Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:01 am

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In post 666, Creature wrote:I'm probably getting to the point where I feel like I should scumread anyone who scumreads me.
the fact that this is post 666 made me laugh
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Post Post #759 (isolation #50) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:28 am

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I'm townreading too much of the playerlist... Hm.
Keyser what did that first sentence mean?
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Post Post #761 (isolation #51) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:33 am

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Oh I read it as "if TW is town, then he may be scum after sheeping his wrong reads" which obviously didn't make sense

No, I'm not scum.
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Post Post #762 (isolation #52) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:02 am

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in fact sheeping is town indicative for me, and you know this ???
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Post Post #765 (isolation #53) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:34 am

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Okay

To start, volxen and I just finished a newbie game together tvt.
One of the biggest differences I saw in his play in the newbie vs in Watchmen Wanted was in how he formed reads. In WW his reads were something like "This player is pushing someone I think is town, therefore scum" and "lurking is scummy". That's about as deep as he ever got (read: so shallow they're not even in the water, even as he wrote walls to say it all)
In the newbie, his reads were "This player's suggestions help a pro-scum agenda, therefore scum" and "This player's play would be extremely risky and likely to fail if scum, therefore town". The first of the two reads I'm describing here (scumread on varsoon) was wrong, but he
a) clearly believed it
2) was considering other players' motivations in both cases, which showed much deeper thinking about "why" someone's play is scummy, rather than leaning on caricatures of scummy play to make other players more mislynchable.

From his - "I would think town!Rat would understand that this game isn't just about everyone forming their own reads in isolation and then presenting their readslist to the rest of the group, but it's largely a game that involves interacting with everyone else to understand their motivations, which includes asking players questions such as, "what did you think about X from player Y?" The fact that Rat's initial reaction to both questions about Keyser was to immediately label them as attempts to be LAMIST rather than as genuine questions that were asked to gather information to help gamesolve, seems much more likely to come from scum than town."
This paragraph alone is halfway to townclearing for volxen imo. It reminds me of his push on Varsoon - probably wrong (if I'm right about labrat), but he believes it and is taking into account more than surface-level scum traits. He's really trying to find another player's motivations.

I won't say volxen HAS to be town here, because I will take into account his tryhard-ness and comments he's made about wanting to improve his scumgame, but I think his similarities to his play in the newbie and the difference between this and WW is notable and obvious - not to mention he is game solving mostly un-prompted so far, whereas a lot of the development of his reads in WW came after he was wagoned

the fact that tw also meta-townreads volxen helps confirm, as I think regardless of tw's alignment he'd probably agree that this is very different from the weak scumgame we've seen from volxen, and is very similar to town!volxen as seen elsewhere

How do you read him?
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Post Post #766 (isolation #54) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:34 am

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VOTE: eragon
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Post Post #772 (isolation #55) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:00 am

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In post 767, Keyser Söze wrote:Odds of the entire famous 5 WW squad being all-town? Not good :giggle:
we should be so lucky
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Post Post #774 (isolation #56) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:03 am

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ewo, ewo, idk what that question means! :P
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Post Post #776 (isolation #57) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:05 am

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do you mean "what does eragon faking a read look like?"?

pedit: ok
keyser are you scum
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Post Post #779 (isolation #58) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:09 am

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I don't remember eragon faking a towncase
I remember him faking a scumcase on ausuka
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Post Post #780 (isolation #59) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:10 am

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hmm
Probably there's similarities anyway though so let me go see
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Post Post #782 (isolation #60) » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:19 am

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So seems to be how eragon formats any deep read he makes as either alignment (I remember learning this upon metadive to figure out his scumgame)
Umm his fake scumread of Ausuka in Watchmen Wanted consisted mostly of "Can't explain this??" and "one interpretation of this post would be ____, and that's the one I pick"
doesn't focus much on trajectory so much as isolated moments

...that's all I got, it's kinda hard to pick out what makes a fake read fake, plus at the time I believed his reads mostly
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Post Post #856 (isolation #61) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:03 am

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In post 800, the worst wrote:
In post 797, Keyser Söze wrote:TW and Irrelephant - do you town read eachother as highly as eachother?
I have the feeling Relly townreads me more than I townread Relly but I'm.... comfortable.
this is probably true, which is why I'm fine sheeping his reads some
The fact that everyone is townreading tw, basically, gives me some paranoia feels (as does another secret reason I'm feeling paranoid) but I still think he's probably right that he's outside his scum range (~2/3 of my towngames end up staying within my scum range, so I don't blame him for not feeling the same)
In post 801, LabRat01 wrote: I find it off though that he’d use a non-personal way of talking to them here though.
I think this is more of a tonal thing than anything AI. When I'm talking to someone who's online, I usually talk to them. When I'm talking to someone who hasn't been around in awhile, I'm more likely to talk about them
In post 803, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 634, Irrelephant11 wrote:VOTE: keyser
I don’t remember you saying much about keyser, can you link me to your read on him (if you wrote one)?
ISO me and ctrl+F Keyser. It was a progression from feeling like tw/keyser interactions felt not-tvt -> coming around to a townread on tw -> voting keyser. Also, my vote does not always reside on my strongest scumread. It usually ends the day on my strongest scumread (or the compromise lynch), but I use my vote in lots of ways for sorting.
You seem more impersonal/rigid/not sure what the word is in your recent posts... trying to decide if that's AI
In post 809, LabRat01 wrote:Image
They exist
:lol: :lol: :lol:
okay maybe I just can't read your tone
In post 822, LabRat01 wrote:P.Edit
About the heaven lynch, I think I’d be fine with volx after all
That’s not personally my strong TR, but if he really is scum (I'm kind of tempted to believe in the TRs on him, but meh), that’s a very valuable flip to get (even if it’s a heaven lynch imo)
I really doubt that scum would just remain idle if they got such a wonderful opportunity to get rid of one of them to heaven and only 2 people (as far as I remember) seemed to strongly push them being town
In post 766, Irrelephant11 wrote:VOTE: eragon
Elaborate please (or quote the read cuz your posts are long and I might have missed it xd )

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I disagree with most of it, but I think volx’s read on eragon was good

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And sorry, that’s just a catchup, I got back like 2 hours ago, so I haven’t been able to do anything yet
Going to sleep rn, but I will 100% have time to work on my reads tomorrow
Sry for that
1 - this comment about sending volxen to heaven even if scum is pinging me. Do you personally think he'll flip scum? Do you think using heaven lynches to sort is a good strategy in this setup?
2 - I haven not yet laid out a case on eragon, because I wanted to see his reaction first. But the short version is that it came from his read on creature - it feels like he's too sure creature is town, which had me paranoid that eragon was TMI-ing bad!town!creature. I also don't think eragon is outside his scum meta so far, and though I understand his being busy, I feel like scum give excuses for being busy more often than town (who will show up when they show up, whatever)
Kinda dependent on TReading creature which idk if I do but I wanted to see what might happen


-I was telling Keyser that he does indeed know that sheeping players I think are town is town indicative for me
-I asked you to vote Keyser to test a partner theory, but I got bored and moved on before it went anywhere
-See above for my vote on you
-Don't love you shading volxen by saying I'm townreading him too strongly without giving any reason why


-I asked Keyser if he is scum as a joke
-Keyser's comment about creature that you're calling OTT is obviously meant to be funny?
-trying to decide if *lack of awareness of humorous intent* is AI for eragon (I remember it happening a couple times in our last game, too) - maybe sometime I'll have the time to meta research this
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Post Post #857 (isolation #62) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:07 am

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DrJ what is your read on eragon?
eragon what is your read on keyser?
keyser what is your read on DrJ?

creature do you have any solid reads yet
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Post Post #863 (isolation #63) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:02 am

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I don't this second, but you start and I'll catch up soon
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Post Post #864 (isolation #64) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:03 am

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also agree that lefty's replacement is a high priority sort
it would be nice/easier if that slot was scum
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Post Post #869 (isolation #65) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:34 am

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yeah sorry, RL getting in my way
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Post Post #871 (isolation #66) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:50 am

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okay yes, let's talk, will focus on this for a few minutes

LAMIST as a self-meta-replicating strategy is possible but maybe unlikely, given I seemed to surprise Korina by describing their play that way? I'll concede that it's probably closer to NAI/townlean than *strongly* town indicative, given I'm not that familiar with scum!Korina or the other head

I'd have to do a deeper dive to remember if DrJ's pushes led or followed the crowd on labrat - do you know offhand from re-reading? Definitely some element of sheeping tw on Creature, I think
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Post Post #872 (isolation #67) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:56 am

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In post 98, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Also, where the hell is Creature? I just realized that he's in the game trying to see who we haven't heard from.
If Creature keeps up this activity, I think its very safe to assume that he is scum.

-Kor
actually seems like DrJ was "onto" creature in the first five pages
In post 136, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:What if the team is {Lab, Creature, TW}?

-Kor (to both)
actually yeah I'm not seeing what you're seeing re:tunnel vision

What about DrJ's play feels tunnel vision-y?
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Post Post #874 (isolation #68) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:58 am

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....

I'll just let you post conclusions and we can go from there
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Post Post #878 (isolation #69) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:06 am

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Oh, well I guess I meant I wanted to stop influencing your conclusions to be tailored to my thoughts and let you conclude --> then respond to the conclusions
pedit: there were more words here but I felt like they would influence your thinking maybe too much
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Post Post #880 (isolation #70) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:09 am

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Do you have a read on their slot before I jump back in, I guess is what I'm trying to get from you?
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Post Post #883 (isolation #71) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:20 am

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mmkay great just wanted something committal that I wouldn't have to feel paranoid was just a copy of what I said

also I agree I have too many townreads
I said the same like 3 pages ago lol
tbf I'm not sure I townread you, you're just fun to interact with
I would actually *like* for the scumteam to be you/creature/eragon but that feels lazy and somewhat unlikely
who do you think I should scumread that I don't right now
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Post Post #884 (isolation #72) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:24 am

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wait how did you get to strong townlean?
I'm not sure I see anything other than mild townlean in your catchup
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Post Post #887 (isolation #73) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:58 am

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No clue on Carmen's preference

I think I'm right about AT townlean for DrJ. I had them higher before you pointed out that LAMIST-as-town-meta doesn't mean they have to be town just because they're LAMIST. I haven't had the time to read their ISO like I wanted, too much going on at work today

do you townread creature/labrat, keyser?
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Post Post #890 (isolation #74) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:28 am

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DrJ have you read Keyser's walls about you
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Post Post #892 (isolation #75) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:11 am

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I decided to pick through Keyser's case:

Bolded things I agree with, underlined disagreements
Spoiler: my formatting here conflicts with keyser's so good luck reading it
In post 865, Keyser Söze wrote:
Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde re-read


Gonna try pick out only meaningful items that still bear a ring of truth to me.


(Part 1 of 2?)

"I would see it more as him trying to pocket us"

Yup, some good ol' town paranoia here from Dr J.


"This sounds like you are trying to get out of RVS / shitpost stage. That would give me a slight town inclination on you."

Rings slightly LAMISt-y.
Easy town points given out IMO. Scum also have motivation to appear serious too during RVS to appear town...

My head's going round in circles with post #92 regarding their thoughts on Carmen and LabRat. Dr J then asks half a dozen of semi-to-low game solving questions.

"Derp-clears are easy to fake, and shouldn't be used as the basis for a TR IMO."

Dr J is pretty firm with their stance here... but maybe too game theory related to get me excited about.

"I'm town-soulreading his activity, however, I'm scum-reading his content."

Ok, this may eloquently explain Dr J's infatuation with LabRat then. I was intrigued by the associations between these two slots during RVS too.


"because I'm seeing it as you're pretty sure that Carmen is actually scum"

Dr J suspected a Carmen-Labrat scum team.
Noted. Overlooked this post (probs coz I couldn't get my head around post #92.)

"HOLD ON, WAIT A FUCKING MOMENT: Why the fuck is Irrel allowed to make a joke about them being scum, and have it be dismissed as RVS, yet Carmen can do the same exact thing, during RVS, and yet gets called out for being scummy on it?"

Hmmm.. calling out LabRat for contradicting himself/being hypocritical is slightly LAMIST-y :?

Dr J's suspicions is quite intense here. Wondering how they unvote here.
In post 866, Keyser Söze wrote:
Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde re-read

(Part 2 of 2)

"How would Keyser know that unless he's scum?"

It appears Dr J takes things literally... or misses the tone of posts. Is this a cute thing to town read...? @Irrelephant11, or
NAI?


"I could see this as scum trying to prolong RVS, try and appear to be there while not contributing, etc."

More LAMIST-y (?) but from LCL this time.

"Have you a case behind this? Or just waiting for the sake of it?!"
This is a weird over-reaction (?)

In post 212, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:I feel like scum tends to be more cautious with their votes. I definitely am like that a lot. So this feels scummy.

VOTE: Keyser

N.b. if Korina voted anyone by page 9 I will revote not to disturb his scumhunting
Did LCL need to put that "N.b." after his vote to cover his ass'? (which I personally hated). His momentum needed to stay with LabRat IMO. He does unvote later...

"I'd probably call it an attempt to buddy me, given I know him from back then, and am possibly likely to respond by TRing him."

This self reflection looks good on him.


"Tw is probably town based on the lack of any wagon"

Half the playerlist weren't even actively posting - I don't think we can draw that clear RVS conclusion here.


"he kind of feels like he is enthusiastic"

I would sheep that sentiment about TW though.

"I still am a little concerned at him seemingly trying to buddy me,"
That was bugging me, so I'm glad it bugged Dr J too.


Consolidated case (post #398) on LabRat - better now than I first first.

"Come join me on him. That means scum has to get their entire team into heaven making it much more difficult for them to win"

"It will flip scum, I'm 99% sure"

Some nice confidence shown here on their new zealous scum read of Creature :giggle:

"good reply, will read in detail later tonight, but I'll bump you farther down the scum list"

"All that being said I definitely feel much less like you are scum. Your reaction here to my post feels very town"

@Dr J , PLease can we see the detail and reasons for this, the whys and hows.



Gonna have to put together some conclusions now...


I think I come out with a stronger townlean again, actually. DrJ's paranoia seems real (feels uninformed, truly sorting) and the LAMIST style fits town meta w/o being cognizant that that is their town meta
I tried to glance at LCPL's meta for anything LAMIST-y but he only has scum games, so that doesn't help. still, I feel like newbie's look lamist-y more often anyway (and I don't really agree he's as lamist as korina anyway)
Now the question is: would Keyser make this towncase on a townie as scum? I think most of my scumread of Keyser came from lack of nuance/mutual scumread with at first/buddying vibes
If Keyser is scum here he feels confident that buddying with the right people will save his team, or he's scum with DrJ...

Maybe it's just eragon/creature/lefty
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Post Post #896 (isolation #76) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:45 am

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Mostly for coming out of reading DrJ with a strong townread
and wanting him to be town because I like him :giggle:
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Post Post #897 (isolation #77) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:47 am

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but actually his case on DrJ was the first time this game he's been objectively very much like his town self, imo
reminds me of his Presidents play, finally
Not sure it's enough for anything resembling a strong townread but I think we already agreed not to lynch him today
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Post Post #899 (isolation #78) » Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:53 am

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Yeah I mean I don't love how long it took him to arrive here
if you had to nail three scum to the wall who are they
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Post Post #1014 (isolation #79) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:31 am

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oh shoot deadline soon
what's the vc

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Post Post #1016 (isolation #80) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:36 am

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I'm fine lynching creature/eragon
ausuka too maybe but would feel bad about it
keyser would be a compromise lynch at this point
I forget why I'm townreading labrat but I wasn't ever really scumreading them so not my preferred lynch

not drj, volxen, tw


also I had some quotes of things to respond to and then my internet got rid of them, gotta love technology. just pretend I responded to everything
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Post Post #1020 (isolation #81) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:00 am

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ooh interesting a scumread on tw?
tell me more
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Post Post #1058 (isolation #82) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:27 am

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ew keyser what
what is the AtE on this and last page
do you *want* to get lynched
honestly right now the case labrat is making on keyser is all basically true about eragon except eragon has basically none of the towny moments keyser has, and I think there are worlds here where keyser is town
feels like eragon is only itt when asked, and hoping to just gather little enough attention to survive the day phase.
idk keyser is not my strongest scumread and if lab+creature are the wagon I think I'll probably pass for now
creature has done next to nothing all day, still fine with his lynch

DrJ where's your head at
Ausuka you should place a vote
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Post Post #1060 (isolation #83) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:30 am

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If you have reads other than "tw town" and "that last post was scummy", please link me, I must have missed them
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Post Post #1064 (isolation #84) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:09 am

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Creature wrote:
In post 1058, Irrelephant11 wrote:creature has done next to nothing all day
Is lying more likely to come from scum?
mkay let's examine this
In post 976, Creature wrote:
In post 974, Keyser Söze wrote:You said your reads had changed?
Actually I aborted most of my reads
since this, your reads have been
In post 977, Creature wrote:I'm back to thinking Korina is town
a townread on Korina
In post 983, Creature wrote:Sadly Ausuka is still scum
In post 1007, Creature wrote:I don't feel that good about Eragon tbh
In post 1034, Creature wrote:Gamestate like spews me town but apparently my flip gives the most info
In post 1040, Creature wrote:Okay this is too scummy from Keyser

VOTE: Keyser Soze
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In post 1058, Irrelephant11 wrote:creature has done next to nothing all day
Is lying more likely to come from scum?
and four scumreads (assuming this last post about me is a scumread)

give me a reason to townread you, Creature. I have no clue where the vc is at but I think I just lost interest in voting eragon over you
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Post Post #1065 (isolation #85) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:09 am

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In post 1062, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:there's a character limit of 3 million
:eek:

I think it's 300,000 but still
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Post Post #1082 (isolation #86) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:36 am

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Is creature L-1?
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Post Post #1085 (isolation #87) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:40 am

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K he's at L-1, keyser moved his vote to eragon
VOTE: creature[./v]

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Post Post #1086 (isolation #88) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:41 am

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also who are the 4? you(ausuka)/drj/tw/??
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Post Post #1090 (isolation #89) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:44 am

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we have less than two hours, when will you be home? @creature
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Post Post #1098 (isolation #90) » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:10 am

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VOTE: creature
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Post Post #1158 (isolation #91) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:14 am

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VOTE: volxen
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Post Post #1173 (isolation #92) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:42 am

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Ughhhh Tw might not be town
Keyser/Eragon/labrat is never the scumteam and rarely has two scum (though if I were scum here I’d try my best to make that happen) so if I can find a solid town out of those three I *might* prefer that over volxen
My townread on volxen is less dependent on anyone else’s reads than my creature scumread was, though, so for now I’ll believe in it
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Post Post #1224 (isolation #93) » Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:42 am

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In post 1192, the worst wrote:Relly I'm having a moment of mania

how about we send Keyser to heaven
i had this thought tbh

Why is labrat the new wagon
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Post Post #1343 (isolation #94) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:05 am

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V/la too intense
I see we have time so I’ll game solve tomorrow

Overgaming near holidays was a mistake
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Post Post #1344 (isolation #95) » Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:09 am

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Also @mod: Keyser & Keyser Söze are the same lol
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Post Post #1509 (isolation #96) » Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:08 am

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starting to catch up
In post 1437, ManateeDude wrote:
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volxen (3) - Irrelephant, Eragon, the worst
Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde (2) - Keyser Söze, volxen
Keyser (2) - Ausuka, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde
Not Voting - LabRat0


Time till end of heaven phase 1: (expired on 2018-11-22 15:30:00)
volxen, Drj, or Keyser - want to give me a short version of how we got here so I can jump into real time while catching up?
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Post Post #1512 (isolation #97) » Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:08 am

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In post 1510, Keyser Söze wrote:TLDR: unvote Volxen and present your read on Dr J.
why
I'll present reads on everyone after catching up
thought they were town D1 but I've barely played this phase so... no clue really
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Post Post #1520 (isolation #98) » Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:35 am

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wow so here's a fun story everyone
I had a whole bunch of quotes and a long post, I was halfway to catching up
and then my browser crashed
and then my internet wouldn't work for a couple hours
and I have lost like a lot of WIM for this game day at this point, it was nearly an overwhelming catchup before all this happened

probably not like a huge deal as long as I can catch up by next game phase, since I'm not in contention for getting sent to Heaven anyway (though anyone scumreading me is probably just being lazy about forming scumreads and putting the absent townie in the bottom of the PoE)
but you'll get gamesolve-y irrelephant some other time, I'm too annoyed rn
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Post Post #1530 (isolation #99) » Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:05 am

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okay actually a few thoughts before I go because the game isn't playable without all slots talking:

I still think tw is probably town, I just didn't feel good post-creature flip about his strong push there. But otoh the intensity of his push rang towny (not sure tw gets that intense against a friend just for a d1 mislynch), and imo creature was playing scummy anyway. Eh I still have bad feelings here, but the game makes more sense to me if he's town
Ausuka made some good points about volxen's play that, especially depending on who volxen is scum with, bring volxen back toward possible-scum, even though I still lean town for him too. Ausuka is also very bold if scum, challenging commonly held ideas.
Keyser/eragon always has a scum, possibly two. Keyser seems overeager to throw shade, eragon seem undereager to solve, both have strong scumgames and I wouldn't put it past them to manage to both be offwagon
I have literally no clue what to do with labrat because I've seen p much nothing from the slot d2 and only remember the keyser push from d1

Hot take: DrJ is the townie with the worst reads so far, which is why he is easy to wagon this game phase. Paranoid about the very popular push to Heaven them, but maybe scum are just looking to lynch townies in every phase idk.

Something like:
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{labrat} - null
{keyser, eragon}

ausuka should maybe be a scumread, I haven't had time to analyze trajectory, just getting town from the bold play
I'm mentally on page 51, so do with this what you will
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Post Post #1565 (isolation #100) » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:43 am

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In post 1432, volxen wrote:And in Newbie 1894, Irrelephant was skeptical of my slot all the way until lylo, when my lack of quickhammering proved that I was town. And I don't think I am more super obvious town in this game compared to either of those other games, so something doesn't add up here because the town!TW and town!Irrelephant that I know don't give out such strong townreads so easily and so early on in the game.
1) I get why you'd think I was unsure about you in the newbie, because I kept some of my reads close to my chest (so scum would have a harder time sheeping me/would have to come to an original read on you), but there was actually only ever about 2% doubt about your towniness in that game fmpov. Sorry if this is insulting, but I find your scum/town games to be day and night, especially now that I've played with both. I have the exact same feeling about you as I did that game, and everyone is throwing shade my way about it while simultaneously agreeing you're town?? Feels more like scum see you as both unlynchable and malleable than anything else
2) Town!Irrelephant 100% gives out strong townreads early, that's like all I'm good at D1
In post 1446, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 1058, Irrelephant11 wrote:ew keyser what
what is the AtE on this and last page
do you *want* to get lynched
honestly right now the case labrat is making on keyser is all basically true about eragon except eragon has basically none of the towny moments keyser has, and I think there are worlds here where keyser is town
feels like eragon is only itt when asked, and hoping to just gather little enough attention to survive the day phase.
idk keyser is not my strongest scumread and if lab+creature are the wagon I think I'll probably pass for now
creature has done next to nothing all day, still fine with his lynch

DrJ where's your head at
Ausuka you should place a vote
Eww
IF you think my case on keyser makes sense, then why not answer it instead of placing it on another player? Why not talk about keyser with me? I mean, you did say that my read does make sense, but for another player, right?
C’mon, you’re not the type to avoid conversation like this.
I really doubt that I’m wrong about keyser rn, but unless I am, I’d like you to get lynched next.

And nice shade there :) You weren’t even SRing me, so how is me being on the wagon influencing your choice of not wanting to vote keyser?
Do you disagree with my read on keyser?
No?
if so, then wtf was that about

Don’t say that creature being on the wagon JUST TO SAVE HIS OWN ASS AND BECAUSE I ASKED HIM TO DO IT, influenced your read on keyser in any way
Do you think he wouldn’t bus there?
Why?
Like, c’mon, I remembered you as more thoughtful than that. That argument makes no sense and rn it kind of feels like you just wanted to have as many arguments as possible NOT to lynch your scummate. Like, c'mon it's just bad
I would have been fine with a Keyser lynch tbh, I just thought eragon was scummier and tried to see if I could get momentum there instead. My lynch preference order D1 was eragon -> creature -> keyser and I have to believe that I was right about one of them, at least
I was not shading you, I had no read on you (I've found you very hard to read all game, especially with the paranoia that you can take advantage of knowing my playstyle without me being able to compare you to anything) + it seemed like Creature was obv!scum based on how my townreads read him (and based on the difference between his play here and my last t/t game with him, Epic Duel)
In post 1448, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 1049, Keyser Söze wrote:I don’t think I should be the D1 lynch guys.

But if I’m your strongest scum read, then ok then. My playstyle doesn’t work on this site anymore.


Bye guys been fun last few games. See you in couple years
In post 1130, Keyser Söze wrote:Let’s counter

VOTE: Dr J
I’m really, really tempted to read this as a town-spew.

A lot of keyser’s next posts feel like he’s honestly trying to change the townies’ opinions on him, so that he doesn’t get lynched in the next hell phase.
There’s no way scum!Keyser would pick his teammate as the heaven push in a situation like that imo.
If keyser is scum (I'm really confident he is), DrJ should be town
Yeah I think scum is trying to take towncred for sending DrJ to Heaven more than anything. Trying to imagine a world where DrJ is scum, and it's hard to make sense of the universal townreads (including my own). Honestly I think scum might just be trying to get to judgment day ASAP, and send their favorite townie to Heaven, since I think volxen & DrJ are both probably town
In post 1489, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1478, volxen wrote: No please vote Dr. J, I want to stay to endgame.
In post 1478, volxen wrote: No please vote Dr. J, I want to stay to endgame.
In post 1478, volxen wrote: No please vote Dr. J, I want to stay to endgame.
In post 1478, volxen wrote: No please vote Dr. J, I want to stay to endgame.
In post 1478, volxen wrote: No please vote Dr. J, I want to stay to endgame.




In post 1158, Irrelephant11 wrote:VOTE: volxen
In post 1347, the worst wrote:VOTE: volxen
Sick as a dog now, I'll be aroundish but kind of feverish and trying to sleep.
In post 1474, LabRat01 wrote:VOTE: volx

voting DrJ would be a total waste of reads imo. I really do like volx's latest content and there's no reason to get rid of lock-townies (DrJ) during the first heaven phase imo.
Satisfied with this lynch for today, prob not gonna switch unless someone manages to make me seriously paranoid that volx is scum
lol what is this crap. Literally the post numbers show that volxen hadn't posted that yet??? Can we just have another hell phase now for keyser please
In post 1522, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 1489, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1478, volxen wrote: No please vote Dr. J, I want to stay to endgame.
In post 1478, volxen wrote:No please vote Dr. J, I want to stay to endgame.
In post 1478, volxen wrote:No please vote Dr. J, I want to stay to endgame.
In post 1478, volxen wrote:No please vote Dr. J, I want to stay to endgame.
In post 1478, volxen wrote:No please vote Dr. J, I want to stay to endgame.


In post 1158, Irrelephant11 wrote:VOTE: volxen
In post 1347, the worst wrote:VOTE: volxen
Sick as a dog now, I'll be aroundish but kind of feverish and trying to sleep.
In post 1474, LabRat01 wrote:VOTE: volx

voting DrJ would be a total waste of reads imo. I really do like volx's latest content and there's no reason to get rid of lock-townies (DrJ) during the first heaven phase imo.
Satisfied with this lynch for today, prob not gonna switch unless someone manages to make me seriously paranoid that volx is scum
this is just pure shade
I was the only one who voted after Volx said he doesn’t want to go to heaven and even if I didn’t, you’re strongly TRing Volx, so how does that even matter?
yes, thank you
the way keyser and others (ausuka?) are like "it's terrible and scummy that you three would try to put a townie in Heaven!!! It can only ever be this other townie!! and also you three are therefore the team" is actually a joke.
In post 1523, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 1494, Eragon wrote:
In post 1453, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 1152, volxen wrote:Meaning I don't think Irrelephant is the sole scum on his wagon.
In post 1152, volxen wrote: I'm not ruling out the possibility of scum!Irrelephant, but if he is scum then there were most likely multiple scum on Creature's wagon.
Can you elaborate on your read on irre?
do you not think irrel is scum?
I asked the question, because I don’t understand the point he was trying to make

And yeah, I do have a SR on him rn. Not anything amazing, but there’ll still be time to polish that imo
wtf
I was literally v/la Friday-Sunday, I come back, and everyone, townreads and scumreads alike, think I'm scum.
If anyone would like to present a case that's more in-depth than
1) Irrelephant townreads volxen (who I agree is town)
2) Irrelephant isn't posting much (and I'll just ignore the v/la banner next to his name)

I would love to hear it. Till then everyone scumreading me? You're wrong :] :] :] :] :] :]
and also making me actually angry
In post 1531, Keyser Söze wrote:Me and Eragon aren’t going to hell.
I agree that the mechanics don't allow me to send you both to hell this phase or next. But we've got time.
In post 1533, Eragon wrote:
In post 1530, Irrelephant11 wrote:okay actually a few thoughts before I go because the game isn't playable without all slots talking:

I still think tw is probably town, I just didn't feel good post-creature flip about his strong push there. But otoh the intensity of his push rang towny (not sure tw gets that intense against a friend just for a d1 mislynch), and imo creature was playing scummy anyway. Eh I still have bad feelings here, but the game makes more sense to me if he's town
Ausuka made some good points about volxen's play that, especially depending on who volxen is scum with, bring volxen back toward possible-scum, even though I still lean town for him too. Ausuka is also very bold if scum, challenging commonly held ideas.
Keyser/eragon always has a scum, possibly two. Keyser seems overeager to throw shade, eragon seem undereager to solve, both have strong scumgames and I wouldn't put it past them to manage to both be offwagon
I have literally no clue what to do with labrat because I've seen p much nothing from the slot d2 and only remember the keyser push from d1

Hot take: DrJ is the townie with the worst reads so far, which is why he is easy to wagon this game phase. Paranoid about the very popular push to Heaven them, but maybe scum are just looking to lynch townies in every phase idk.

Something like:
{me}
{the worst}
{volxen, ausuka, DrJ}
{labrat} - null
{keyser, eragon}

ausuka should maybe be a scumread, I haven't had time to analyze trajectory, just getting town from the bold play
I'm mentally on page 51, so do with this what you will
“Eragon seems under-eager to solve”

Let’s see.. shall we?

Who is the only person(other than maybe keyser?) That correctly read creature

Who actually MADE A CASE on volxen being town that’s not “Oh ThEiR fIrSt FiVe PoStS mAkE tHeM oBv ToWn On MeTa”

Who has been reconsidering reads
Who has 40 more posts than you and joined at the end of D1
Who has acually been in thread for the majority of time active?


So stop this bullshiting of yours


You call Ausuka either town or very bold scum for going against the trend?
WHAT ABOUT ME TOWNREADING CREATURE?
Do you have like, selective amnesia or some shit?

“Doc J is town with terrible reads”

Great doubtcastig you have there
Before you do crap like this actually make detailed reads of your own, or, you know, like actually make reads that aren’t sheeping TW and that you can explain yourself?



I think the only slot really not talking is you?


Lab has been very active
I’m here
Keyser is here
Ausuka is intermittent
Doc J is here
TW has presence
volxen has picked up a lot in d2
Yeah, I'm the only one not present??? "Definitely scum!" great reads, there, eragon. I'm impressed. You caught me: I sent out a storm warning on Thursday evening to the entire Western NY area so I could actively avoid going to work where I play Mafia on Friday, and months ago I began a long pattern of being v/la Saturday/Sunday so that you wouldn't catch me out this game.
This is level one surface level crap. You don't scumread me. You find me an easy and defenseless target (won't last long, sorry to say)

Also ahhhh there's the "give me towncred for townreading Creature!!" I've been waiting for
In post 1550, Eragon wrote:im akshully very confident in an Irrel!scum here.

on top of not liking their posts this game, from what i have seen...

they do not have the same form of transparant towni-ness that they were fond of in WW.
Like, did anyone ever even scumread them in WW?
they were extremly obvious through thoughts, reads, wagons, etc... and even from a scum perspective i knew that was always going to be town

this game i have seen almost absolutely none of that, im not sure if its b/c different perspectives or what, but i do not see any similarities, and dislike their posts not-meta based either
In post 1552, the worst wrote:I got a little paranoid of Relly in WW but for the most part ye I agree. He kinda has low enough content that sneaking in with a stance like the previous page works from either alignment. :/
1)WW is my best towngame ever, probably. I have a much harder time earning townreads as town most games, especially because for whatever reason scum often find me an easy target (they're wrong, which is why my town win rate remains high).
2) Literally no one was scumreading me until I went v/la anyway

I would like eragon to be the first to scumcase me. Fire away.
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Post Post #1567 (isolation #101) » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:52 am

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we should send volxen to heaven, in spite of himself
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Post Post #1569 (isolation #102) » Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:07 am

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VOTE: labrat
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Post Post #1571 (isolation #103) » Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:11 am

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labrat what's your read on eragon
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Post Post #1583 (isolation #104) » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:23 am

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In post 1572, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1567, Irrelephant11 wrote:we should send volxen to heaven, in spite of himself
I simply do not believe this is rational town!Irrelephant:-

You want us to send Volxen to heaven... who:

1) You think is possible scum via Ausuka's theory:
In post 1530, Irrelephant11 wrote:bring volxen back toward possible-scum
2) Who you're town reading less than the worst

3) a read who is on the same level as ausuka and DrJ


P.EDIT:
In post 1569, Irrelephant11 wrote:VOTE: labrat
And now you want to send LabRat to heaven, who was a null read a few pages ago?


Please share with us why LabRat is town.
I found labrat's argument of sending to Heaven someone you think is town but is not your top townread compelling, and labrat sits in that exact spot for me (as does tw). I think you and eragon are always scum before labrat, and that semi-clears labrat anyway just from the D1 wagons. Also, I hadn't caught up when I said lab was null - I find labrat's push of you genuine, the willingness to accept your better points towny (usually a way I figure out you're town, which I see very little of here, aside from allowing my volxen meta read to both influence your read of volxen and be a reason to scumread me :roll: )
In post 1573, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1568, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 1534, Keyser Söze wrote:Can we please call bullshit on all these TW top town reads...


Why don't Irrelephant and LabRat want to send TW to heaven today?

I don't believe those reads lists one bit. They're just tactically tiered. All bull shit.


I want both my top 2 town reads in heaven today.
I simply don't buy the sincerity of the read.

You do not vote your nullish/blue read to heaven. We send our fucking town reads.

Why is no one else calling out this bullshit?
This is ridiculous, IF you thought that sending unsure town to heaven is such an obviously scummy, anti-town action, then WHY didn’t you say anything when people were discussing that earlier?
I have been talking about it constantly.


I don't think Volxen is "unsure" town. He is a top tier town read for me.
It is you/Irrellephant/TW's read of Volxen that is
not compatible of how/when/why I would expect a townie to vote someone to heaven
.

If you town read someone highly you present to us why they are town and why they should be sent to heaven.

That is not what I have seen from you/TW/Irrellephant in regard your reads for eachtother and Volxen. Your reads and votes have frankly been very suspect.

Irrelephant's recent vote for you is the icing on the cake.

None of your votes co-relate to your reads.


Mine do.
Eragon's do.
Ausuka's do.
Volxen's do.
Dr J's do.
I find it insane that anyone is listening to your idea that "the scumteam is everyone voting volxen for Heaven"
That. Makes. No. Sense. Your townplay is way better-considered, more thought out, and allows for wifom-y "Hmm maybe town can indeed play that way", sometimes to a fault. You're way too certain that I'm scum for basically no reason, ditto for the worst, and idk I think you're sheeping someone about labrat? You cam't seriously expect me to believe you believe any of these reads.

I'll townread Keyser when he scumreads eragon.

Keyser/eragon/ausuka
If I'm wrong on one of Keyser/Eragon the other scum is the worst playing one of his top five scumgames in real time
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Post Post #1584 (isolation #105) » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:25 am

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Anyone think DrJ is scum?
Someone remind me the towncase
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Post Post #1586 (isolation #106) » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:29 am

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In post 1583, Irrelephant11 wrote:Keyser/eragon/ausukaIf I'm wrong on one of Keyser/Eragon the other scum is the worst playing one of his top five scumgames in real time
or volxen is scum with another scum pulling a lot of strings to fool me in particular, in which case it's always with one of Keyser/eragon/tw anyway, so I'll worry about that later
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Post Post #1590 (isolation #107) » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:35 am

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No, I don't think labrat or Dr J have much scum equity
I also don't think tw is likely to flip scum, he's just where I would go if another Hell flip surprised me
I also don't think volxen is scum, but if he is, he's the last one I'll catch

Stop putting words in my mouth, thank you
Also I'm pretty sure eragon is voting Dr J?

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Post Post #1592 (isolation #108) » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:42 am

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keyser how are your scum and town games different
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Post Post #1595 (isolation #109) » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:46 am

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I have indeed fully caught up, though there's a bunch of stuff I did not write a second time in my catchup after my computer issues. I would like to hear a full towncase for Dr J before I go deeper into my read there

None of your reads, readslists, or votes have made sense to me either :]

pedit: I'd prefer you discuss it now, please
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Post Post #1597 (isolation #110) » Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:57 am

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My read on you isn't based on that, no. I just wanted to see if it affect your read on him at all. Would've worked better if I had more towncred, as right now I'm not sure anyone cares what I think of their slot, since I'm basically consensus scum :roll:
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Post Post #1600 (isolation #111) » Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:06 am

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because I think they're roughly equally towny, roughly equally likely to do well in Heaven, while I think Dr J is less likely to sheep scum while remaining itt
No offense to volxen :/
I also have more paranoia about Dr J as a Keyser-led counterwagon to volxen
what's your read on eragon?

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Post Post #1602 (isolation #112) » Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:13 am

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Post Post #1604 (isolation #113) » Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:26 am

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Yes please get back to me with a read on eragon.
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Post Post #1607 (isolation #114) » Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:45 am

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I'm working on it
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Post Post #1608 (isolation #115) » Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:45 am

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also, "mind games"
lol
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Post Post #1629 (isolation #116) » Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:22 am

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In post 1623, volxen wrote:
In post 1619, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
In post 1616, volxen wrote:Also @Dr. J you should be able to guarantee that you are sent to Heaven by voting for yourself.
I take it you still don't want to go to heaven?

And to be sure, how do you feel about the wagon on yourself?
Well if the scumteam is TW/Irrelephant/Labrat, then it makes sense for all of them to prefer to send me to Heaven over you, since I've said that I think Keyser might be right about that being the scumteam. You on the other hand are still townreading TW and Labrat?
No it doesn't??
why would the three of us as scum want to send you to Heaven if you think we're the scumteam? Even if we all survive the next hell phase, you'd send one of us to hell in judgment day.
the me/lab/tw team theory continues to be a joke
Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1620, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
In post 1618, Keyser Söze wrote:Like.. who seriously is going to send LabRat to heaven today :lol:
^
It was done to fuel your perspective of anti-distancing.

It was not done because LabRat is one of his strong town reads...

Look at Irrellephants trajectory on LabRat today.

Tell me if town!Irrelphant sends a slot like LabRat over Dr J/Volxen/(TW).
labrat is indeed a townread, not a strong one but I already explained I don't know that I want to send a strong townread any more. You're literally only in the thread to discredit every word out of my mouth at this point and WOW is that an angry-making scum playstyle you've got
just trying to tilt me out of the thread I guess
I said at start of day that if I could find a town in keyser/eragon/labrat that would make more sense than trying to find town on-wagon, since the odds of finding town off wagon are better in most worlds (scum would probably try to have multiple scum off-wagon, but I don't know how likely it is to actually happen). I think you or eragon are the scum off wagon - or in the world where it's both of you, it's still not labrat, so I do indeed think labrat is a good candidate for heaven. but I'm just now noticing the deadline so fine, VOTE: Doctor Jekyll, My Hyde because at this point I don't care about this game phase anymore, I put in literal hours upon hours catching up after a long v/la that basically everyone seems to be scumreading me for (as if activity is AI for me?), had my long posts deleted, and I'm pretty sure I'm just the easy "and the third scum is Irrelephant" because I'm not WW!me

everyone is convinced that Keyser has solved the game so, great. Either Dr J is town or this flip will be extremely telling anyway

fwiw I'm still working on my eragon case because his posts are like incredibly (intentionally??) hard to quote but it won't matter till hell phase anyway. I don't think you need to look further than his response to me like three pages ago, where he tried to get towncred for townreading Creature and for activity, when activity is 0% AI for him (it's not AI for most of this playerlist, come to think of it) and he spent eod2 and the first half of D2 trying to convince us all his townread on creature was actually very weak and it *couldn't be TMI* because his read wasn't very strong and he *could have been wrong*

Can we do Dr J -> me -> eragon (Dr J's judgment day), I want out
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Post Post #1630 (isolation #117) » Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:24 am

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In post 1625, volxen wrote:TW and Irrelephant don't seem like there usual town selves in this game. Both of them feel off.

Keyser on the other hand is coming across incredibly towny and believable.

What do you think Dr. J? Do you see a world where both TW and Keyser are town?
Me: "long v/la, here's two posts"
Everyone: "Something about Irrelephant is off, u kno??"
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Post Post #1764 (isolation #118) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:58 am

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In post 1694, the worst wrote:bOiLiNg HoT tAkE

Keyser is probably town btw I really doubt he's... that....... way........... about a scumbuddy

actually that flip is highly indicative of town!Keyser :/
I think I agree?
Keyser is almost always town at this point
and also been very frustrating so far
but
ok
In post 1722, Keyser Söze wrote:I didn’t like how Irrelephant kept asking for a towncase on Dr J (even though he said Dr J didn’t have scum equity in his readslist). Plus, the fact Irrelephant ended up on the wagon in the end.

Something felt unnatural there.



I’ll probably ISO Irrelephant’s comments on Dr J from yesterday first.
I had a lot of paranoia about Dr J, I thought it was maybe a scumlead wagon (and maybe I should still think so, Nauci's meta case on you being scum included you defending your scumbuddies pretty hard), but I thought it was because he was bad!town who was v/la a lot, etc.
I was asking for a towncase because even though I never scumread the slot I couldn't remember anyone actually explaining what made him deserving of Heaven and that was part of what made me nervous
I do think this play from you would basically guarantee your lynch, though, if scum
which... makes me want to not lynch you
Mmm maybe I should check your reasoning for wanting Dr J in the first place
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Post Post #1765 (isolation #119) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:08 am

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In post 1763, Keyser Söze wrote:Wish mafiascum had those MU thread facilities where you can filter posts (i.e see Dr J's and LabRat's post only side by side).
this is a thing on MS, actually
You can ISO two people at once using the "Display posts by user:" function at the bottom of each page
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Post Post #1766 (isolation #120) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:16 am

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In post 1130, Keyser Söze wrote:Let’s counter

VOTE: Dr J
Keyser I don't think I remember you ever explaining why you townread Dr J, other than "finding their case on labrat agreeable". Can you quote your reasons for the townread for me

Torn between trying to find something meaningful in DrJ's posts from D2 and just ignoring them because all their reads were probably just made to make people happy
Actually if it's the latter, who was Dr J trying to make happy? Not me I don't think
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Post Post #1767 (isolation #121) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:23 am

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The fact that eragon "mindmelded" with Dr J is somewhat +town for eragon - reads like Dr J trying to make town!eragon happy with their reads
man am I the one who's had the worst reads this game and Keyser really did have something like a solve last gameday? (well no, you, Keyser, also townread Dr J I guess :lol:)
Keyser what makes tw town for you at this point?
I townread D1, but largely for the creature case (seemed to be of a level only town!him can provide)
and then that was wrong
I actually read his vote movements last gameday as p much exactly what scum would try to do in that spot

I need to take a closer look at ausuka, too

I accept scumreads at this point, didn't feel like I deserved them last day but at this point I probably do.
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Post Post #1768 (isolation #122) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:49 am

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In post 1750, the worst wrote:{tw}
{volxen}
{Keys}
{Era}
{Ausuka}
==null==
{Labby}
{Rel}

feels better
Can it just be {ausuka, labrat} and this is one of my worst town games? :lol:
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Post Post #1770 (isolation #123) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:02 am

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In post 1640, Eragon wrote:
fwiw I'm still working on my eragon case because his posts are
like incredibly (intentionally??) hard to quote
but it won't matter till hell phase anyway. I don't think you need to look further than his response to me like three pages ago, where he tried to get
towncred for townreading Creature
and
for activity, when activity is 0% AI for him
(it's not AI for most of this playerlist, come to think of it) and he spent eod2 and the
first half of D2 trying to convince us all his townread on creature was actually very weak and it *couldn't be TMI* because his read wasn't very strong and he *could have been wrong*
from irrelephant


the actually fuck is this? if this ever comes from town ill fill my socks with cat hair, stuff it in my mouth, and swallow it full


i wasnt "going for towncred" as you say. This was what i said "Who was the one who actually had a correct read on creature"
NOT.
"Oh hey dudes i am obvious town because i read Creature right oh im so amazing"
and its a lot of me just getting pissed off because
1. i felt pressured into not really townreading creature due to mass super-majority.
2. people are actually scumreading me because i thought creature was town.
like, what even is that bullshit?



I never said anything about activity being AI, so either you are hella misunderstanding all this, or you are pushing it because you have nothing else. i dont think town!you would misunderstand something that badly however.




Maybe because that was obviously stated multiple times in my posts, in my reads, and multiple times, yet people still missed the posts and still pushed me over it even though i said in my read itself it was extermely strong, but it was my first true townread



colors dont mean anything i just felt it made it easier to pinpoint stuff
1 - lol I think you've missed every joke I've made itt this game
2 - you were indeed going for towncred. As a reason to scumread me over you, you said "who correctly read creature?" like it was a townpoint in your favor. You can't have it both ways - you didn't TMI creature (that would be scummy), but you didn't scumread Creature (that would be scummy)
3 - wtf yes you did??? You were like "who's not in the thread? you. Meanwhile the rest of us are posting tons" as if activity while I was v/la was a way to read me, or as if activity was ever a way to read you/keyser/tw (which it's not)

Actually can it be eragon/ausuka still
"Mindmeld" is clever, but pretty easily faked svs.

I do think eragon is the scum who has intentionally tried to stay off wagons while making sure they happen
both game phases he offered to add his vote to the popular wagon but when he saw they would happen without him he ended up leaving his vote off wagon (imo to manipulate vca)
He's literally lying in the above post
Can he just be scum

pedit:
In post 1769, Keyser Söze wrote:Dr J was a strong town lean from D1 (we talked through my two doubts together remember).
Oh yeah that did happen, lol @me
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Post Post #1771 (isolation #124) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:08 am

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In post 1515, Ausuka wrote:hi, sorry for disappearing for a bit. i've not really been feeling that well.

VOTE: Jekyll

i thought volxen's posts recently were towny and i don't scumread him anymore but he doesn't want heaven and neither does keyser so...

keyser, are you totally sure about this? i don't see anything exactly wrong with following that scumteam for now since the players you scumread are pretty likely to be scum but it's very difficult to nail the exact scumteam right now and I think you should be somewhat open to the possibility that you've gone wrong somewhere in the future;
it might not be a good idea to base your decisions on your current theory throughout this entire game.
this is a pretty terrible sheeping-Keyser post. The bolded is kinda TMI
In post 1564, Ausuka wrote:
In post 1529, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 1515, Ausuka wrote:hi, sorry for disappearing for a bit. i've not really been feeling that well.

VOTE: Jekyll

i thought volxen's posts recently were towny and i don't scumread him anymore but he doesn't want heaven and neither does keyser so...

keyser, are you totally sure about this? i don't see anything exactly wrong with following that scumteam for now since the players you scumread are pretty likely to be scum but it's very difficult to nail the exact scumteam right now and I think you should be somewhat open to the possibility that you've gone wrong somewhere in the future; it might not be a good idea to base your decisions on your current theory throughout this entire game.
elaborate on your reads please, why do you think the team is me/irre/TW?
there, necessarily, has to be 3 scum in {eragon, jekyll, volxen, labrat, worst, keyser, irre}
i've always felt that jekyll and keyser are town; both feel genuine to me. i don't see keyser really behaving like this as scum and again he feels genuine in his convictions. i don't really see korina writing 300k words as scum either; even if the whole thing was mostly quotes i feel like it shows that they were going back and reading through the game in a very detailed way that probably doesn't come from scum.
volxen was less so but I kind of like the insistence that he shouldn't go to heaven despite lots of people thinking that he should and is towny also.
that leaves {worst, lab, irre, era} as the main pool i'm looking at and honestly that's enough for me to support a scumteam of 3 of them. irre feels shallower than i'd expect from him normally, worst has done some suspect stuff like saying he'd never begin a honest sentence with honestly and later doing that + the volxen thing may have been TMI, and labrat's push on keyser doesn't really feel genuine, like they're trying to throw as many things out there as possible just so the theory is really hard to totally disprove.
This is also pretty much just blatantly sheeping keyser, with no real reason given why eragon should be left out in the PoE
In post 1603, Ausuka wrote:
In post 1599, the worst wrote:The lack of rejection from the rest of the thread makes me wanna not send Dr. J to heaven. I don't think he's a wolf but I think scum want him heaven'd
Jekyll would've been in heaven by now if there's a "lack of rejection" from the entire thread. Just because people aren't screaming about how bad of a vote it is.

Eragon is null to me. Like I get he probably shouldn't be but like I seriously don't know what to read him on, lol. Most of his posts just look null to me. Maybe I should catch up on d1 after all.
This isn't actually that AI on its own but it does give me a little more confbias about an Ausuka/eragon team :P

I think Ausuka's ISO has been pretty empty overall, and I think it would make sense for scum!Ausuka to come into the thread and try to doubtcast volxen who was extremely townread in preparation for sending Dr J to Heaven
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Post Post #1772 (isolation #125) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:09 am

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{keyser, volxen}
{the worst}
{labrat}
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Post Post #1774 (isolation #126) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:00 am

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Keyser how sure are you that you/tw was tvt
It would certainly be nice if you were both definitely town
But one of you being scum would also explain why scum is dominating so far
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Post Post #1777 (isolation #127) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:33 am

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What about that post can't be SvS?
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Post Post #1778 (isolation #128) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:35 am

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Ausuka did you ever settle on a read for eragon?
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Post Post #1781 (isolation #129) » Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:42 am

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In post 1779, Ausuka wrote:
In post 1778, Irrelephant11 wrote:Ausuka did you ever settle on a read for eragon?
I said that my read on him was null, didn't I? If I get a read on him when I'm reading the thread, I'll tell you.
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Okay, fine, how has the flip changed your reads?
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Post Post #1870 (isolation #130) » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:30 am

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:(
vt
I've only been mislynched onsite twice before I think

I've played pretty poorly, and might just accept my lynch tbh because I don't know that I have the WIM to fight my own mislynch multiple days in a row
There's also so much re-reading I haven't done
Who should I sort before I go?
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Post Post #1871 (isolation #131) » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:43 am

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Don't think the day should end before labrat becomes more present
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Post Post #1874 (isolation #132) » Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:23 am

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I think labrat has been vaguely towny whenever I'm reading their posts, but I also really find myself forgetting what their contributions are when they're not around
I agree that they should answer about how they became familiar with our meta relationship
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Post Post #1875 (isolation #133) » Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:28 am

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In post 1853, volxen wrote:VOTE: Irrelephant11

Irrelephant is at L-1
??

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Post Post #1876 (isolation #134) » Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:34 am

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In post 1856, the worst wrote:not talking activity tell either, there's just not a lot happening when he does post
ouch

I don't disagree though, two mislynches in a row has me down for sure
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Post Post #1881 (isolation #135) » Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:05 am

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In post 1877, LabRat01 wrote:tbh I dn't want t pay this game anymreTrying t rethink my reads nly leaves me frustrated and I just can’t frce myself to d stuff anymre
I really know these feels rn
Also this isn't meant to be rude but your broken keyboard situation is sorta hilarious
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Post Post #1914 (isolation #136) » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:07 am

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Has labrat explained knowing the meta thing yet?
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Post Post #1915 (isolation #137) » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:08 am

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fwiw I think scum!me would be thrilled at doing this well and would have a lot of WIM at this point
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Post Post #1921 (isolation #138) » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:13 am

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idk your point. I shouldn't care why you're intimately familiar with Watchmen Wanted?

pedit: I'm really confused
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Post Post #1924 (isolation #139) » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:15 am

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Honestly I'm really confused about labrat's past couple pages in general, though I empathize with the *having very little to give to this game and it being very confusing*
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Post Post #1925 (isolation #140) » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:15 am

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I'll try re-reading, I guess
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Post Post #1926 (isolation #141) » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:15 am

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On an unrelated note, I'm 100% going to need volxen to explain his vote on me this game day
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Post Post #1958 (isolation #142) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:07 am

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VOTE: volxen
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Post Post #1959 (isolation #143) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:15 am

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K well we have 12 hours. VOTE: eragon
After I flip make volxen explain himself, but he's still probably not the scum on my wagon
tw's towniest moment was the tunnel on creature, and I no longer think he's outside his scumrange, but he's done more work than most in trying to sort, so I'm still inclined to think he's town.
Keyser is town or the boldest scum that ever scummed. Don't lynch him to either heaven or hell imo
I could be wrong on labrat, maybe they're scum, but I literally know what they're feeling rn so I kinda feel like her tantrum (for lack of a better word) is towny
Eragon is scum by way of lying about me, coasting off towncred he doesn't deserve, and pushing wagons without joining them
Ausuka is scum by way of lack of content, being on both wagons iirc, and PoE
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Post Post #1961 (isolation #144) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:52 am

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I don't think so, no
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Post Post #1963 (isolation #145) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:14 am

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lol idk what you mean
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Post Post #1965 (isolation #146) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:31 am

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the entire playerlist seems happy to see me go so I'm inclined to think scum aren't feeling the need to "game solve" at all - if I were replacing into my own slot right now, I'd probably look at the list you just gave as the three most suspect
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Post Post #1966 (isolation #147) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:43 am

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I wonder if the reason so many people were bothered with the strong meta townread on volxen was because scum knew he'd flip scum someday, like the reverse of what xwing did when shading Shoshin in this game that just ended
I kept feeling like I was being asked to explain my townread volxen more and defend him harder while also simultaneously being scumread for it which never made sense to me

otoh it would be very very sad if both phase 2 wagons were scum and I do still townread volxen's early posts in retrospect (not his recent play though)
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Post Post #1967 (isolation #148) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:49 am

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Keyser any chance of you voting eragon or ausuka here
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Post Post #1977 (isolation #149) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:43 am

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the gamestate is indicative of town!me, and I don't see how Ausuka's play has been better than mine this gameday
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Post Post #1978 (isolation #150) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:03 am

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or eragon's, really
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Post Post #1980 (isolation #151) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:05 am

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whatever, I veto anyone putting eragon/ausuka into heaven
do what you will from there

pedit: who doesn't want me lynched? I'm consensus, just like creature was
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Post Post #1981 (isolation #152) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:06 am

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In post 1980, Irrelephant11 wrote:just like creature was
well eragon "didn't want his lynch" but was willing to vote it :igmeou:
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Post Post #1985 (isolation #153) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:09 am

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In post 1979, the worst wrote:players who are probably outside their scumrange don't magically fall back into it by being absent for a bit :/
I don't know who you're talking about here

I still kinda feel like labrat's ~emotions~ are towny but I readily admit she's been riding my blindspot most of the game... Do you think their emotional outburst recently comes from scum more often than town?

pedit: If so I've been too checked out to notice :(

Alright let me read a couple ISO's quick
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Post Post #1988 (isolation #154) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:17 am

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tw I don't understand how you can think of the last game phase where literally everyone said "tw/labrat/elephant; solved", see a scum go to Heaven, and then just *agree labrat and I are the scumteam*
It actually doesn't make sense to me at all, which is why I've kinda been fine with my lynch, because it's what everyone is doing and one more surprise! flip will hopefully shoe people their pants are indeed on their heads
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Post Post #1990 (isolation #155) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:18 am

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Post Post #1991 (isolation #156) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:19 am

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speed-casing eragon in another tab rn
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Post Post #1997 (isolation #157) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:36 am

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So first thought is eragon's ISO is nearly as padded with fluff as it was in WW, and I feel like that's really obvious. Second thought is, where does his scumread on me come from?

Starting at the end of D2 for speed:
1410 - "I wish Irrelphant had double the posts for us to chew on." - Keyser
"hard agree with irrel"

1494 - "do you not think irrel is scum?"

wherein he says "undereager to solve? No, I read Creature right! and also, I have more activity than you" (the second of which is objectively true but certainly not indicative of my alignment, given I was v/la until right before that post)

1550
-"on top of not liking their posts this game" (no clue what this is a reference to, except 1533)
-"they do not have the same form of transparant towni-ness that they were fond of in WW.
Like, did anyone ever even scumread them in WW?
they were extremly obvious through thoughts, reads, wagons, etc... and even from a scum perspective i knew that was always going to be town" (lol this is "I knew he was town as scum last game, and I don't think he's town this game!" which is honestly just silly, but more importantly, what is really being said here? This whole thing amounts to "I scumread him because I scumread him". Also yes, I played better in WW than here, which I readily admit, but I'm usually scumread more as town than as scum. Most of the time I'm lynchbait as town, actually, which Shoshin will vouch for)

1632 he just kind of says "no" to all of my points responding to 1550
In post 1671, Eragon wrote:eh we cant really take the risk of having someone flip town today.

VOTE: Irrelephant


i think we need to solve TW/kesyer, but voting them today
if we lynch the scum, then its GG for us
if we lynch the town, then is basically GG for scum.

tl;dr its a lot riskier
no real reason here

1689 - "hot take: 3 of the doc J voters were scum", meh this is a reason I guess

I admit there's more here than I remembered, but it mostly amounts to "this is not as strong of play as in WW, and you're not really around"
I also still think eragon offering to vote creature D1 while later insisting his correct townread on creature is a read to townread him is scummy, as was the way he pushed Dr J's Heaven lynch lightly throughout without ever committing to getting on wagon
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Post Post #2002 (isolation #158) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:43 am

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In post 1998, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1996, the worst wrote:We have two scum left, who do people think are actually aligned?
Scum have day chat so we can’t undervalue the amount of distancing they’ve actively performed.
inb4 you practiced this convo in scumchat :giggle:

I've gotten bad feelings from eragon all game, I think his spot as a mostly-widely-townread slot (has anyone scumread him this game but me?) would explain the elusiveness of scum this game, and I think these are somewhat damning:
Spoiler: on creature, even though he was "off wagon"
In post 994, Eragon wrote:
In post 956, the worst wrote:
In post 1, ManateeDude wrote:Everyone will receive a Mafia Goon or Vanilla Townie role PM
The game cycles between hell phase and heaven phase, starting with a hell phase
@Manatee
lovely are you enforcing this rule via plurality lynching? <3
you won't need to plurality 0.0

i'll hammer if neccesary

Spoiler: on drJ, even though he was "off wagon"
In post 1637, Eragon wrote:
In post 1622, volxen wrote:Also @Eragon, please change your vote from me to Dr. J.
UNVOTE: Volxen

ill unvote for now and see where i leave off soon
In post 1644, Eragon wrote:{volxen, Doc J}
{Lab, Ausuka, Keyser/TW}
{keyser/tw}
{irrel}

IMO here, irrel is always scum
one of keyser/TW is always scum
and then unless someone enlightened appears and changes something, one scum in Lab/Ausuka

i feel confident in the reads for Irrel/{keyser/TW}, but its the other scum that i feel is having a truly towny and good game, and the hardest to find.
ive already cased volxen, so i doubt that
Doc J just oozes towniness, and their catchu[p, while really onyl quotes(?) as someone said before, it shows thoughtfulness and looking back and basically towny.
Lab i have felt their progression to be towny and their ideaolgoy and theory have been pretty town-oriented
and ausuka doesnt feel off in any way, but probably my weakest townread
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Post Post #2003 (isolation #159) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:44 am

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In post 2002, Irrelephant11 wrote:I think his spot as a mostly-widely-townread slot (has anyone scumread him this game but me?) would explain the elusiveness of scum this game
could also explain the positioning of me as the next mislynch tbh, scum don't have nightkills
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Post Post #2007 (isolation #160) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:47 am

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In post 2004, the worst wrote:Relly what's the nefarious agenda you're asking me to see?
I think eragon is the designated off-wagon scum, pushing mislynches while staying off the votecounts. I think his read on me is fake and now that popular opinion is I'm scum both scum have settled for lurking out the game phase
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Post Post #2009 (isolation #161) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:49 am

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Ausuka
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Post Post #2010 (isolation #162) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:50 am

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I haven't checked how distanced/aligned they feel, but vca says she's the most likely partner, unless Doc J was the only scum on the D2 wagon or something
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Post Post #2012 (isolation #163) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:54 am

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you towncased ausuka?
I need a break from mafia
I did a one-sentence version like two pages ago
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Post Post #2015 (isolation #164) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:56 am

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I mean let's start at [being on both mislynch wagons], which I know is a reason people are scumreading me but I have the advantage of knowing I'm town

pedit: I said before and I'll say it again, scum!me would be having way more fun this game. I don't have much WIM right now tbh, I mostly just feel obligated to share my reads in full before deadline because there won't be a twilight

pedit: I actually have to go afk for the last time before deadline in 5 minutes but reading that now
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Post Post #2017 (isolation #165) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:04 am

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idk maybe ausuka can be town, my read there was mostly based on vca. fmpov one of volxen/ausuka has to be scum I think? but this can just be something useful post-my-flip

g2g, lynch eragon next hell phase if not this one
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Post Post #2570 (isolation #166) » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:23 pm

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My first scum loss
I know like 25 things I could have done better and I saw them all immediately after getting lynched
Gg all :]
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Post Post #2572 (isolation #167) » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:49 pm

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I want to say that on my part this loss was ~50% hating the feeling of trying to get tw and Keyser to scumread each other
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Post Post #2573 (isolation #168) » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:50 pm

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Also the scumchatttttttt lolllllll
Just wait
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Post Post #2575 (isolation #169) » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:00 pm

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carmen getting replaced by Eragon was v upsetting
Lefty getting replaced by ausuka was fun - ausuka did great carrying the game.

We should have Heaven’d volxen!!! My biggest regret
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Post Post #2582 (isolation #170) » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:53 pm

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Haha no, the funny part of scumchat is much weirder than that

I regret not sending you to heaven because I think scum’s best bet in this setup is to get to judgment day ASAP, and I think we wasted DrJ’s towncred on Heaven when it could have been used to bring about a lot more confusion and mislynches
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Post Post #2583 (isolation #171) » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:56 pm

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I knew I would never make it to heaven in this playerlist, so I was actually trying to just pair myself with everyone (you, eragon, labrat mostly)
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Post Post #2585 (isolation #172) » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:59 pm

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We couldn’t really decide, and then it just sorta... happened
I didn’t really think it was optimal but I got distracted by the shiny opportunity to have all three of us be on both D1 wagons to throw off vca
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Post Post #2599 (isolation #173) » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:06 pm

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In post 2594, LabRat01 wrote:
In post 2583, Irrelephant11 wrote:I knew I would never make it to heaven in this playerlist, so I was actually trying to just pair myself with everyone (you, eragon, labrat mostly)
You did a great job creating the interactions with me
defending me without posting anything about your read on me, fencesitting, throwing some random bullshit here and there to remind people that you're still being wishy-washy about it
Man, I was screaming inside when reading your iso after the flip

xd

I'm so glad that no one ever said anything about it...
Haha thanks!
I think I can say I did well at dissociating myself from Ausuka, but we didn’t work hard enough early game to get Ausuka any towncred for the flips - after the first two of us died, it was like “oh no, we lose if three people are townier than you.... we probably lose........”
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Post Post #2612 (isolation #174) » Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:26 am

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A combination of “wait, they’ll probably just leave labrat and Ausuka for the judgment day
anyway
” and “this kinda feels cheap, even though it feels clever”
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Post Post #2615 (isolation #175) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:21 am

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I scumread Keyser in Starcraft because his play reminded me of my play here
The timing didn’t quite work out for me to share that thought :/
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