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Post Post #1901 (isolation #400) » Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:39 am

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ye 0k y0u're p0e w0lf th0
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Post Post #1903 (isolation #401) » Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:56 am

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I'm not sure where to go with the "do whatever you want" sentiment, like there's defs a world where my reads are wrong somewhere and I feel like you're town before Rel is but I don't think either of you are, all that much

Despite d2 shenanigans w Ausuka/Keyser do you think Ausuka is ever a wolf with Dr. J here? I've found her play generally heaps townie and lije it wouldn't surprise me if someone d2 was pushing the TW v. Keyser fight if we're both town; or not Sheeping Keyser if he's a wolf; but idk who other than Dr. J I'm looking for
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Post Post #1907 (isolation #402) » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:48 am

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You ignored the interesting part of that post. Try again.

Shenanigans was Keyser's power???ing (power wolfsiding or something) and Ausuka's similar reads--difficult to parse if sheeping or just a parallel?
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Post Post #1954 (isolation #403) » Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:51 pm

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sorry only kinda like half here

I don't see a need to elaborate on Ausuka's heavy wolftells, wanna read an iso and a marathon and tell me if you disagree? :twisted:
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Post Post #1956 (isolation #404) » Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:46 pm

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ok so you asked for me to elaborate on Ausuka's wolfgame because.........?
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Post Post #1969 (isolation #405) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:27 am

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Pretty much yeah I may need to re-evaluate whether I still believe he was outside his scumrange tho
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Post Post #1970 (isolation #406) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:27 am

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What did you think of my towncase on you Ausuka?
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Post Post #1972 (isolation #407) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:33 am

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That's pretty much fine, just wanted to hear whether you thought I was on the right track.
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Post Post #1973 (isolation #408) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:35 am

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if we're working with a communal PoE of {Lab, Rel, Volx} we still lynch Rel today
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Post Post #1975 (isolation #409) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:39 am

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also analysing whether rel is aligned with volxen is a stronger read than whether volxen 'can be' scum in isolation :/

pedit: basically yeah, the only reason against lynching him atm is he isn't in anti spew mode which is probably slightly town indicative but...his actual content has still been super shallow and probably ate so it's basically geared towards spewing him not aligned with volxen

I'd say tmrw we should heaven {keyser, me} and the day after just keep nuking the PoE. I very much doubt I'm wrong on you keyser or eragon and will reevaluate Volxen but I trust either of myself or Keyser to read the associatives and thread context as long as Rel/Lab aren't factors. :oops: they're markedly harder to read.
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Post Post #1976 (isolation #410) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:40 am

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I'll also, like. try to be present for Heaven 2.
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Post Post #1979 (isolation #411) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:04 am

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how is the gamestate indicative of town!you?
players who are probably outside their scumrange don't magically fall back into it by being absent for a bit :/
I can be talked into a Labby flashwagon
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Post Post #1982 (isolation #412) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:06 am

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In post 1980, Irrelephant11 wrote:pedit: who doesn't want me lynched? I'm consensus, just like creature was
and?
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Post Post #1983 (isolation #413) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:07 am

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Ausuka and eragon are objectively higher town equity than you here dude :( where am I wrong?
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Post Post #1984 (isolation #414) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:07 am

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I love a good cw so work w me
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Post Post #1986 (isolation #415) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:11 am

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to frame where my mind is at
if our solve is even close to correct it's objectively perfect scumplay to WIM as hard as you can and direct the lynch onto a townie preferably in the upper tier of the communal reads list which is why I'm pretty hard boycotting anyone but you or Labby being lynched today, and you'll need to convince me to vote Labby

Out of like respect for what I understand of your scumgame there's basically no way I can convince myself to read sheer d3 WIM as towniness :(
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Post Post #1987 (isolation #416) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:12 am

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I didn't pedit because I think that gamestate read speaks for itself
Either were pants on head wrong and the team is like. volx/era or smth or whatever scum is in {Rel, Labby} is forced into a corner where WIM play is all you have left
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Post Post #1989 (isolation #417) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:17 am

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okay where am I wrong? like now?
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Post Post #1992 (isolation #418) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:27 am

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if you and Labby are both town then its era/???
who?
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Post Post #1995 (isolation #419) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:31 am

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I was so yelling about volxen being a better heaven candidate, I was just asleep for a lot of d2
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Post Post #1996 (isolation #420) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:34 am

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We have two scum left, who do people think are actually aligned?
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Post Post #2000 (isolation #421) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:40 am

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That's pretty much fine but like for example I strongly townread you because I don't think you're aligned with Dr. J, is that a bad read? :giggle:
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Post Post #2001 (isolation #422) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:41 am

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we're slowly falling into the trap of townreading everyone tho are we wrong on Eragon or is the issue further up the chain?
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Post Post #2004 (isolation #423) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:44 am

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Relly what's the nefarious agenda you're asking me to see?
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Post Post #2006 (isolation #424) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:47 am

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pmsl if it's volxen/eragon
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Post Post #2008 (isolation #425) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:49 am

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In post 2007, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 2004, the worst wrote:Relly what's the nefarious agenda you're asking me to see?
I think eragon is the designated off-wagon scum, pushing mislynches while staying off the votecounts. I think his read on me is fake and now that popular opinion is I'm scum both scum have settled for lurking out the game phase
Putting his buddy as....?
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Post Post #2011 (isolation #426) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:52 am

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Throw something @ me on the Ausuka towncase or talk me thru why she's a wolf?
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Post Post #2013 (isolation #427) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:54 am

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I'm not activity SRing Ausuka ever btw and I'm not biting on your "both wolves lurking" suggestion as it has at most, identical probability to my "both scums WIMposting" suggestion :lol:
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Post Post #2014 (isolation #428) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:55 am

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In post 1861, the worst wrote:Yo

I'm just back to say this doesn't look like Ausuka's wolfgame like, at all.

if it isn't just Rel/Labby I'm gonna be confused as fuck.
In post 1863, the worst wrote:I've never been much of a believer in bullet points. ;)
In post 1864, the worst wrote:I'm gonna have to pop in when I can and throw points around, bear with me
In post 911, Ausuka wrote:Sure, if this is a WW reunion I have to get called opportunistic at least once right?

VOTE: Creature
+Town points for tonality and entrance to the game but not a lot, vote's important
In post 952, Ausuka wrote:
In post 136, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:What if the team is {Lab, Creature, TW}?

-Kor (to both)
It really hasn't been very long since the game began. I don't get why you seem so convinced Creature's scum already. Also I don't think he really does the lurking thing as scum anymore.
I don't think she calls her scum buddy out for this shonky read. Pretty much ever. Competing with Mafia Month she did name a few posts from profii but it was mostly a "I like this" and "I think profii's town" kind of vibe; her other scumbuddy was Nero Cain who she scarcely interacted with

Idk I would just be a little surprised if she picked her establishing deepwolf/heavenwolf to question on his reads like this so early

also there is zero self consciousness about parking her vote along with the wolfbuddy she's just quizzed which... seems contrary to scum!suka's mindset tbh
In post 1018, Ausuka wrote:
In post 226, Creature wrote:I'm gonna aim for the long game.

Find one scum per hell phase
One town per heaven phase
Like what is actually the point of this post? I feel like it's supposed to be game-related content but it contains nothing except Creature saying "I'm going to try and identify who's scum and town" which literally everyone tries to do. If it was as easy as just "finding scum" town would win every game.
In post 1019, Ausuka wrote:Actually I think the lynch is likely Creature anyways so not gonna post more about him for now.
In post 254, the worst wrote:
In post 112, LabRat01 wrote:honestly
#wolfposting
I have never started an honest sentence with the worst "honestly"
In post 287, the worst wrote:honestly i called him "very town" because he pinged town to me consistently while he is posting, i'm cognisant of the fact that him sounding like that early is town indicative...and also i was biased by korina's posting later :lol:

i think that slot's reasonably obviously town, i'll be reevaluating it but i don't feel like i should be paranoid...? or doubting that people who sound like town in rvs might be tEh ScUmZ?
Did you roll scum on me worst :(
Given she's more burned out now than she was then (sorry if this is an outdated statement) I think scum!suka is a bit quieter when it comes to a d1 mislynch which will go thru. I'm not sure she's like "ye creature is the lynch now *INTERROGATES THE WORST*" before she kind of angles to position herself in a better spot to get towncred

given she would have to know the wagon is partially scum motivated there's a lot more to gain from suddenly townreading Creature or admitting she's not sure if that makes sense? It felt like a legit sheep and I think she believed in the Creature wagon

actually just musing but I think in 14/2 we probably avoided that mislynch, I'm a little annoyed at myself for it. anyway gotta let bygones be bygones
In post 1865, the worst wrote:her opening disdain towards {me, Dr.J} is probably worth analytical solvey mindset points as well She pushed me really well imo and the initial townread on volxen was also probably not super well researched, I was accountable to check it and make sure I was right (still think I am but go Ausuka d1)

I wanna say her reversal on my slot was during d2 when I was being heavily wolfcased as well which I mighttttt be misremembering bc fever happened during this game but if this happened she's town
In post 1866, the worst wrote:
In post 1603, Ausuka wrote:
In post 1599, the worst wrote:The lack of rejection from the rest of the thread makes me wanna not send Dr. J to heaven. I don't think he's a wolf but I think scum want him heaven'd
Jekyll would've been in heaven by now if there's a "lack of rejection" from the entire thread. Just because people aren't screaming about how bad of a vote it is.

Eragon is null to me. Like I get he probably shouldn't be but like I seriously don't know what to read him on, lol. Most of his posts just look null to me. Maybe I should catch up on d1 after all.
I don't think this is Ausuka who's scum with Dr. J, really don't want to be wrong about this read tho so if this is becoming applied reasoning lmk.....
In post 1785, Ausuka wrote:
In post 1784, the worst wrote:Do you think 388 is partner indicative or TMI cuz?
tbh I think it's partner indicative at least to the point of canceling out my earlier idea. The "this post has a bit of effort so it literally can't be scum" looks like it's explicitly trying to townread you rather than just TMI.
kinda feeling her re-read of Dr. J with this kind of angle is probably from someone who didn't know Dr. J was a wolf before the flip if that makes sense

it's also a pretty dangerous w/w read for scum!suka to make and I feel like she probably talks herself out of it more than she makes it
In post 1820, Ausuka wrote:I can't not townread worst here I think.
yeah ok it was after d2 but it was still nice. this was literally the page after we re-read each other as TvT and unless she's a wolf with you? (but that's just a tinfoil of 2 people i think are town) there's really not a lot to gain from reinforcing town cohesion :?
In post 1782, Ausuka wrote:
In post 1781, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 1779, Ausuka wrote:
In post 1778, Irrelephant11 wrote:Ausuka did you ever settle on a read for eragon?
I said that my read on him was null, didn't I? If I get a read on him when I'm reading the thread, I'll tell you.
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Okay, fine, how has the flip changed your reads?
The flip itself doesn't change much for me other than generally losing confidence in my current reads as a whole. I never had any associations for anyone with Jekyll.
I might be assigning this bonus points because I agree so strongly, my only associative was I had {Keyser, Dr. J} always containing exactly 1 scum because of the way d2 went down but for the most part that flip was like a kick in the guts. it was low info AND not the alignment we wanted and I don't think this was a Big Mood in the thread; just what I was feeling. (this is mid fever so if I misinterpreted thread mood that could be a thing :/)
In post 1783, Ausuka wrote:
In post 388, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Tw is probably town based on the lack of any wagon - while I don't doubt scum could be WIFOMING there, I think thats much less unlikely than them leaving a wagon sit there.

Also, post 297 - it looks very town. I see plenty of town motivation there, it shows plenty of effort which I don't think scum is going to do if they can get by without it. Sort of similar to how someone in another game (town) literally made a chart with colour showing every vote :lol:

Furthermore, he kind of feels like he is enthusiastic. Maybe that sounds stupid and probably is, but just based on tone, I think he looks a lot more like town than scum.

I still am a little concerned at him seemingly trying to buddy me, but hmph, I'm probably reading too much into it
Hmm actually maybe that comment was stupid.
this re re check of her read on me and possible associatives with Dr. J is interesting, I'm gonna think on this more
In post 1867, the worst wrote:Just picking random parts of Ausuka's iso I don't feel like this is scum!suka tho which is telling me that's a read I am swinging strongly towards : / I townread her pred a little as well so yeeeah this is a pretty comfy read to settle into
In post 1752, the worst wrote:
In post 1750, the worst wrote:{tw} 100%
{volxen} .....gulp..... 90%. If he's a wolf I'll be mad
{Keys} probably like 85%
{Era} maybe 80%
{Ausuka} probably 75%ish
==null==
{Labby} ffffffifty%??? shaken read that is wolf by rand + PoE right now but I don't feel wrong on a townread
{Rel} looks SvS with Dr J is prime candidate for wolf sitting back watching town destroy itself nuanced thoughts so far look like they've come from other mouths, something like 60% wolf
weighted
this feels really gross in my playstyle tbh, I think I need to leave it to logical thinkers (ircher is brilliant at tiering and weighing his reads for example)

I think it's healthy for context tho. I'm not null on Ausuka, I think she's town. it's just if I am wrong on a townread it is probably her before you or Era. I just don't think I'm wrong on any currently.
If I was being more politicalful I probably should have nullread Ausuka here without commenting and seen if she punched me for it (I think town!suka does but scum!suka probably chills with being third from the bottom)

but it felt kinda disingenuous so I over explained my read instead

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Post Post #2016 (isolation #429) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:58 am

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I'd rather let Era respond to Rel's case but I can be persuaded to flashwagon era as a worst case scenario

Rel lynch is the best currently I'll just feel garbo if he greens
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Post Post #2018 (isolation #430) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:06 am

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what would keyser söze do
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Post Post #2022 (isolation #431) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:12 pm

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you're fine Labby. be safe. <3
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Post Post #2036 (isolation #432) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:03 pm

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ye no shit tbh

VOTE: the worst
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Post Post #2038 (isolation #433) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:03 pm

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still luv u Relly <3
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Post Post #2039 (isolation #434) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:04 pm

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In post 2027, Keyser Söze wrote:The lynch is also a testament to Relly’s town-game too which is formidable.
I'll actually second this. his scumgame is deffo solid but his towngame is out of this world

ooOooOOoooOoOOOOO just had a spicy thought

VOTE: Keyser
let's heaven this then lynch volxen tomorrow
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Post Post #2040 (isolation #435) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:05 pm

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.....is that a thing? I need to reread the setup
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Post Post #2041 (isolation #436) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:06 pm

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sigh, never mind
VOTE: the worst
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Post Post #2043 (isolation #437) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:08 pm

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to be prudent I would probably very seriously consider {Eragon, Volxen} tomorrow. Irrelephant's EoD was basically antispew towards those two slots

pedit:
Eragon wrote:why volxen?

also, im not ok with any self-lead wagos rn, due to only being 1 scum and only 1 heaven lynch needed
this is a bad post
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Post Post #2044 (isolation #438) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:09 pm

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I'm town. if you don't think I'm town case me, don't throw shade at me for shonky mechanical reasons.

in essence I'm starting to distrust my initial read on volxen and I think we need to flip him before the end of the game. heaven isn't safe for flipping to garner alignments anymore. we also cannot afford to send uncertain reads to heaven at this juncture.
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Post Post #2045 (isolation #439) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:12 pm

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I'm calling towncore {me, keyser, Ausuka} and on reflection I am loosely considering adding Labby's slot into it

we are sending someone from this list to heaven 100% of the time
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Post Post #2047 (isolation #440) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:13 pm

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Ausuka and I are not aligned with irrlepehant imo
my only hesitation with keyser is that he's too perfectly reading as not aligned with both irrlepehant and Dr. J which is triggering my scumgod paranoia, I think this is just a mood tho
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Post Post #2049 (isolation #441) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:16 pm

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Heaven: meeee
Hell: volxen
Heaven: Keyser
Hell: Eragon

that should end the game and if it doesn't it's sudden death between Labby-slot/Ausuka which I think the lovely Keyser and I can solve on judgement day

I think this probably never comes to that tho
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Post Post #2050 (isolation #442) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:18 pm

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wrt "townread but not sending to heaven" we only have one scum left in the game. their entire agenda is to either get sent to heaven, or get through to judgement day against someone who they will not be lynched over

so either decide now if you want me, an obvious townie in heaven, or whether you want me alive in Judgement day so the townies in heaven don't even need to think about the lynch

hint: me in heaven is better :p
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Post Post #2051 (isolation #443) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:18 pm

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sorry but that logic more or less expires when there's only one scum left
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Post Post #2052 (isolation #444) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:19 pm

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In post 1997, Irrelephant11 wrote:So first thought is eragon's ISO is nearly as padded with fluff as it was in WW, and I feel like that's really obvious. Second thought is, where does his scumread on me come from?

Starting at the end of D2 for speed:
1410 - "I wish Irrelphant had double the posts for us to chew on." - Keyser
"hard agree with irrel"

1494 - "do you not think irrel is scum?"

wherein he says "undereager to solve? No, I read Creature right! and also, I have more activity than you" (the second of which is objectively true but certainly not indicative of my alignment, given I was v/la until right before that post)

1550
-"on top of not liking their posts this game" (no clue what this is a reference to, except 1533)
-"they do not have the same form of transparant towni-ness that they were fond of in WW.
Like, did anyone ever even scumread them in WW?
they were extremly obvious through thoughts, reads, wagons, etc... and even from a scum perspective i knew that was always going to be town" (lol this is "I knew he was town as scum last game, and I don't think he's town this game!" which is honestly just silly, but more importantly, what is really being said here? This whole thing amounts to "I scumread him because I scumread him". Also yes, I played better in WW than here, which I readily admit, but I'm usually scumread more as town than as scum. Most of the time I'm lynchbait as town, actually, which Shoshin will vouch for)

1632 he just kind of says "no" to all of my points responding to 1550
In post 1671, Eragon wrote:eh we cant really take the risk of having someone flip town today.

VOTE: Irrelephant


i think we need to solve TW/kesyer, but voting them today
if we lynch the scum, then its GG for us
if we lynch the town, then is basically GG for scum.

tl;dr its a lot riskier
no real reason here

1689 - "hot take: 3 of the doc J voters were scum", meh this is a reason I guess

I admit there's more here than I remembered, but it mostly amounts to "this is not as strong of play as in WW, and you're not really around"
I also still think eragon offering to vote creature D1 while later insisting his correct townread on creature is a read to townread him is scummy, as was the way he pushed Dr J's Heaven lynch lightly throughout without ever committing to getting on wagon
In post 2010, Irrelephant11 wrote:I haven't checked how distanced/aligned they feel, but vca says she's the most likely partner, unless Doc J was the only scum on the D2 wagon or something
In post 2017, Irrelephant11 wrote:idk maybe ausuka can be town, my read there was mostly based on vca. fmpov one of volxen/ausuka has to be scum I think? but this can just be something useful post-my-flip

g2g, lynch eragon next hell phase if not this one

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Post Post #2054 (isolation #445) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:22 pm

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do you think Irrelephant unironically thought he could successfully get you wagoned?
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Post Post #2058 (isolation #446) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:26 pm

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yeah gimme a sec
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Post Post #2059 (isolation #447) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:31 pm

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In post 2015, Irrelephant11 wrote:I mean let's start at [being on both mislynch wagons], which I know is a reason people are scumreading me but I have the advantage of knowing I'm town

pedit: I said before and I'll say it again, scum!me would be having way more fun this game. I don't have much WIM right now tbh, I mostly just feel obligated to share my reads in full before deadline because there won't be a twilight

pedit: I actually have to go afk for the last time before deadline in 5 minutes but reading that now
Irrelephant's case on you was exceptionally wolfy and he was not pushing for your lynch (re-read and tell me if you disagree; it was about 80 levels lower than his usual scumhunting ability which is hard to tell from a bad wolfy post or scum theatre unfortunately. but realistically he was never swinging that lynch before EoD and I think he knew that)

none of his reasons for wolfreading Ausuka are actually wolf indicative either tbf so I guess I can reconsider that heavy read
In post 2017, Irrelephant11 wrote:idk maybe ausuka can be town, my read there was mostly based on vca. fmpov one of volxen/ausuka has to be scum I think? but this can just be something useful post-my-flip

g2g, lynch eragon next hell phase if not this one
he badcases you then leaves for EoD saying to flip you next hell phase. at this point he probably knows like 80% of the time he's eating the lynch and flipping red; this doesn't get town!you mislynched
In post 2018, the worst wrote:what would keyser söze do
signalling I was still there and not flashwagoning
In post 2022, the worst wrote:you're fine Labby. be safe. <3
ditto

In post 2024, ManateeDude wrote:im gay haha
lmao relatable
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Post Post #2060 (isolation #448) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:32 pm

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he's either turned on you at EoD because at a level 2 wolf level he needs to rapidly distance from his buddy, or at a level 3 level he wants to create WIFOM via a last minute false associative with a towny

I'm pretty sure this game gets a lot easier by removing that WIFOM before judgement day, I'm sorry if you're town :(
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Post Post #2061 (isolation #449) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:33 pm

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but liek, it was never a wolf 1 ploy to get you lynched in his stead. there wasn't enough time and he didn't really seem to fall for my offer to flashwagon you.
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Post Post #2062 (isolation #450) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:33 pm

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In post 2061, the worst wrote:but liek, it was never a wolf 1 ploy to get you lynched in his stead. there wasn't enough time and he didn't really seem to fall for my offer to flashwagon you.
actually maybe he did
I have no idea how to read scumrelephant's mind and I'm circular logicking myself into oblivion
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Post Post #2063 (isolation #451) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:38 pm

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In post 2049, the worst wrote:Heaven: meeee
Hell: volxen
Heaven: Keyser
Hell: Eragon

that should end the game and if it doesn't it's sudden death between Labby-slot/Ausuka which I think the lovely Keyser and I can solve on judgement day

I think this probably never comes to that tho
just to hop back here I'm gonna keep thinking on this plan but we basically wanna nuke WIFOM slots that are gonna be a trainwreck to solve in F2

we want to heaven obvtown slots at this point, just avoid any slot with scum equity.

if we can reach a duo that can be organically read by the martyrs we'll be in a way better situation than random lynching for a 50% chance of winning because we can't engage with those slots anymore
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Post Post #2064 (isolation #452) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:40 pm

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starting to think it's better to leave volxen for judgement as well tbh, I think rel's early play on him is somewhat pocket indicative and his float towards the gravity of Keyser's case on me d2 probably still comes from town as well as scum

I trust my townread on him quite a lot less but that doesn't mean he's a wolf just means I need to effort this more

This is making me trust ausuka more
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Post Post #2066 (isolation #453) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:52 pm

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Keyser Söze
- reads heavily unaligned with both flipped scum. the more i'm thinking about it: if irrelephant planned to look like he was pocketing him d1 and then he decided to openwolf like an absolute scumlord to blast his partner into heaven d2 then he basically deserves the game, the rapid transitions in the quality and integrity of his scumplay would be absolutely masterful and i'm not sure my paranoia actually extends this far :/ he's probably just town like 90% of the time here.
Ausuka
- i think there's a worst case scenario where ausuka is a wolf but it's a worst case scenario. it probably relies on irrelephant doing nothing to position his partner as town; relying on me to do it for him; missing my case on her and attempting to position her as scum very close to his own lynch before flying off and trying to hardcase her perceived scumbuddy instead. actually this is less bizarrely unlikely than i originally thought and i'm gonna re-sort this readslist after i'm done with this sorting of it
LabRat01
- every time i ISO dive labby i come back to town. like i said yday her worst position on my read list has been wolf via POE and i think per the last few days' posting + rep-out her internal struggle between trying to solve this game and telling us all to gtfo is probably coming from a feeling of being crippled by the POE gamestate more than being correctly POE'd wolf.
Eragon
- asdfghjkl;' same as labby i keep feeling bad every time i scumread eragon in a vacuum but irrelephant's antispew makes me want this slot flipped before judgement day :(
volxen
- needs to come play more and i need to re-evaluate this
i think some d1/d2 stuff is probably still highly town indicative i guess

ok flip labby and ausuka in this list
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Post Post #2067 (isolation #454) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:55 pm

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In post 2065, Keyser Söze wrote:I agree that we shouldn’t be self-voting/wagoning here.

It simply gives me Dr J vibes. I rather the whys and how’s be presented by each player.
it probably shouldn't give you Dr. J vibes man
we're at the boiling point and we can't afford to resort to lazy plays the way we did on d2. we need bold plays and bold wagons (just shouldn't L-1 anyone unless they're selfvoting, which I was hoping you'd identify with my opening play here >:c)

we also need to spook the shit out of slots we feel are scum

wrt eragon:-
1. thoughts on irrelephant's eod push on him? which was incredibly obviously wolfy
2. thoughts on eragon's immediate surrender to pressure + vote on me today?

incidentally i also wonder why he stopped posting when i raised the possibility of him being s/s with rel but eh, that's not a conversation point so much as a curiosity ;)
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Post Post #2068 (isolation #455) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:56 pm

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In post 2067, the worst wrote:we're at the boiling point
on this as well: nobody outside of you and I should be lynched for heaven today.
i love taking risks as much as the next person, but Hell phases are for risk-taking at this point.
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Post Post #2070 (isolation #456) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:42 pm

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VOTE: Keyser Söze

what's on your mind volxy
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Post Post #2072 (isolation #457) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:04 pm

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That's OK, net of all things I'm kinda predisposed towards townreading you here (that's a problem in itself which I think you can probably appreciate zzzz) it's just there's a lot of spice following the fact we nailed and lynched Irrelephant who is Good Scum :D

does you not being heavy town to me impact your read on my alignment? => why/why not?
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Post Post #2074 (isolation #458) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:33 pm

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That's exactly the mind melt phase I'm in right now. his read of you was either TMI or partner indicative but one thing I really liked from you in retrospect was your bite back. But the more I think about it that's something scum!rrelephant could have easily coached you through to come off as anti-aligned
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Post Post #2075 (isolation #459) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:39 pm

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Just floating through your ISO and god you're good
okay one question: why did you never vote rel until you L-1'd him?
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Post Post #2077 (isolation #460) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:25 pm

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Off wagon wolf is usually Eragon

Keysssss you should selfvote
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Post Post #2078 (isolation #461) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:26 pm

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fyi high key protown to self vote @ l-1
L-1'd wolf is an instant win so
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Post Post #2080 (isolation #462) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:45 pm

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In post 2079, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 2078, the worst wrote:fyi high key protown to self vote @ l-1
L-1'd wolf is an instant win so
:twisted:

I'm unlikely to vote today again.
sigh....... only because ily
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Post Post #2085 (isolation #463) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:57 pm

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In post 2081, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 2077, the worst wrote:Off wagon wolf is usually Eragon
I have a gut feeling I shouldn't trust Eragon, but then I look at all the reasons I've posted why I town read him.
Please can we look at him one more time.
I don't disagree with regular reevaluation darling but we have two lynches left... who are they?
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Post Post #2086 (isolation #464) » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:59 pm

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In post 2084, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1073, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Also, quick readslist:
{DrJ}
{Volxen, Eragon}
{Irrel, Ausuka, TW}
{} - Null
{Lab(?), Soze(?)}
{Creature}
{}
:shifty:
Isn't it said 'always keep your teammate around null'?
But in practice it's pretty rare to see both teammates in the same tier
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Post Post #2087 (isolation #465) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:00 am

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I'd be happy to lose if you're the last wolf but I do prefer winning... x
Self vote for me? :)
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Post Post #2089 (isolation #466) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:03 am

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but keys... who's teh scumz
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Post Post #2091 (isolation #467) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:04 am

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for the record I agree. in an easier solve, eragon is always town. but WHO THE HELL IS THE LAST SCUM

pedit: you have never been more beautiful to me than at this moment omg
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Post Post #2093 (isolation #468) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:05 am

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mechanically only[
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Post Post #2095 (isolation #469) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:07 am

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In post 2093, the worst wrote:mechanically only[
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yeah same

thing is in a vacuum I can townread everyone alive rn but assuming we are indeedy TvT there's 2 lynches left
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Post Post #2096 (isolation #470) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:08 am

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sorry for bad quotes drunkposting
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Post Post #2098 (isolation #471) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:22 am

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yeah it's a mighty awkward feel when everyone looks technically towny and you're like "ah... where did I go wrong......."
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Post Post #2100 (isolation #472) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:33 am

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I strongly support a Keyser heaven lynch today, actually I'm a little inclined to say flashwagon it because if it was {Dr. J, rel, keys} we have been finessed spectacularly
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Post Post #2102 (isolation #473) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:39 am

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just speaking out loud lovely x
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Post Post #2106 (isolation #474) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:14 pm

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I know I'm sounding like a broken record fam but there is a wolf left. who is it?
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Post Post #2108 (isolation #475) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:25 pm

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do you think we had w/w wagons in Heaven 1? with rel pushing cw on his scumbuddy over his other scumbuddy?
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Post Post #2111 (isolation #476) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:58 pm

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Volxy who's the wolf? we have two lynches left :(
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Post Post #2113 (isolation #477) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:11 pm

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yea I think we need to flip volx via Hell phase before endgame
especially being w/w with rel who has solid meta knowledge of him I'm..... not really comfortable he's done anything not coachable and I'm worried I am being Wrong and Bad
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Post Post #2119 (isolation #478) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:50 pm

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In post 2118, volxen wrote:
In post 2113, the worst wrote:yea I think we need to flip volx via Hell phase before endgame
especially being w/w with rel who has solid meta knowledge of him I'm..... not really comfortable he's done anything not coachable and I'm worried I am being Wrong and Bad
Sigh, if you are town this is Newbie 1888 all over again. I'm not sure why me being scum and being coached by Irrelephant is the most likely explanation to you. I mean you have more knowledge of my meta than Irrelephant does.

And why are you so convinced that Ausuka and Labrat are both town? The only person I really feel strongly about being town at this point is Keyser.
ok...so you have 1 townread when except Dr. J who is flipped scum in a 9p game with 6 town...?

can you throw me a tiered read list with some reasoning please? we have two lynches left before judgement day and can send two people to heaven who need to make a correct decision.
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Post Post #2121 (isolation #479) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:45 pm

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{Keyser}
{everyone else}
ain't a read list when there's 1 of 6 scum left pal
you also seem to be not.... townreading me..... because I'm reconsidering my read on you?

I'm struggling to see your town motive rn
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Post Post #2124 (isolation #480) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:21 pm

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sorry dude I need you to find scum not towncase yourself

the { bracket tell is also a really broad tell and isn't like, something that's particularly reliable in practice. the moment scum know not to do it they start doing it etc. it's less common than putting all your buddies in different brackets but that absolutely doesn't mean I can afford to townread someone exclusively off their position in someone's read list

I'm markedly more interesting in hearing who you think reds here and how we use our last two mislynches. but while we're on the subject do you think there were exchanges between you and rel which are highly unlikely to come from scumbuddies?
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Post Post #2125 (isolation #481) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:21 pm

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also asking people to produced detailed reads puts them on the spot which is gr8 for getting AI content :twisted:
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Post Post #2126 (isolation #482) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:22 pm

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so like for example fmpov

heaven: keyser
hell: volxen
heaven: tw
hell: lab/era
judgement day: {Ausuka + Lab/Era}

wins the game nearly every time
what are your thoughts on how we press on from here?
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Post Post #2128 (isolation #483) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:40 pm

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In post 2127, volxen wrote:So how much stock do you put in your theory that scum would not put both of their partners in the same tier in their reads lists? Because if that's the case then you, Ausuka, and I are all very unlikely to be scum.
like 5% lmao
it's more an interesting wiki tell than anything I'd lean on
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Post Post #2131 (isolation #484) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:51 pm

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you're flailing and chainsawing me to defend yourself
why should I ever townread this? I have an objective answer to why I think you're howling rn
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Post Post #2132 (isolation #485) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:59 pm

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so at this point town's win condition is to correctly lynch town to heaven (stick with obvious town; we have exactly two heaven phases left which means two heavily-townread players gets us to judgement day even if we don't lynch scum).

scum's win condition is now one of two things:
1) if they're outside of the PoE, get themselves into heaven. if a wolf is outside the PoE it's literally Keyser and i'm ok with that being a town loss 99% of the time
2) if they're within the PoE, they need to look enough like town to survive until judgement day and hope like shit that they're not sent to hell. secondary agenda here is to throw shade at the more communally townread players.

your play right now is betraying an agenda. you are not interested in determining who a wolf is. you're interested in discrediting scumreads on you, positioning a more heavily townread player (me : D) as having malicious intentions, and trying to look town.

=> you're currently playing to a scum wincon.

hell 1 your posting was a lot closer to your town meta. that's either you organically being town or rel (who has a decent idea of what i look for from town!you) is coaching you; that's fine. rel was also pretty quick to feathersoft defend you on the basis of meta which as much as i agreed with it earlier in the game, is partner indicative. if ballsy.

heaven 1 you were pretty much fine

hell 2 you lurked hard.

and now here we are and you look exactly like a wolf who's in trouble
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Post Post #2133 (isolation #486) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:02 pm

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so if you're town and i'm misreading you, own the fact i am clearly town and am misreading you. take a step back and look at your play here and fill in the following form with some reasoning so we can get crackin' on winning this sucker

Heaven 2:
{player here}
Hell 3:
{player here}
Heaven 3:
{player here}
Hell 4:
{player here}
Judgement Day:
{player} vs. {player}


just swinging back to WW for a sec, if you can accept that you do look like a wolf rn it's okay to suggest yourself in the hell / judgement day brackets
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Post Post #2138 (isolation #487) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:52 pm

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Your entire basis for even suggesting I'm scum is based on burden of proficiency... :? I'm actually thinking this might be too wolfy to be decisively wolf indicative. you were a lot less decisive in WW. tbh I'm fine with not being sent to heaven in the next heaven phase but I want a decent substitute.

but like... what's your solve?
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Post Post #2139 (isolation #488) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:53 pm

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you need to give a bracket of like 3 ot 4 players which contains the scum, all I can see you doing is shading me and buddying Keyser :lol:

I can see why this potentially comes from town!volx in like, ways? but overfocusing on this exchange just makes me want to lynch you more. who do we lynch in your stead? who goes to heaven in my stead?
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Post Post #2141 (isolation #489) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:06 pm

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I mean part of my wincon is accounting for the possibility that any of my reads are wrong... basically except those I'm sending to heaven. we have that flexibility since we managed to nuke Relly's scum rump
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Post Post #2142 (isolation #490) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:07 pm

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skip over sorting me for now; let's just not heaven me today. we can sort each other in hell 3 pretty easily.

how do you feel about Eragon Ausuka and Labby?
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Post Post #2144 (isolation #491) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:21 pm

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perfect. I'll be here for a fair while yet.
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Post Post #2146 (isolation #492) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:40 pm

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KEYSER STOP PICKING ON ME I'M WORKING MY MAGIC
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Post Post #2148 (isolation #493) » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:05 pm

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ye but I'm busy bullying volxen so he produces lots of content and we can tell his alignment :> so I can't really intricately case volxen
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Post Post #2150 (isolation #494) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:29 am

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whatcha mean?
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Post Post #2152 (isolation #495) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:36 am

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yeah, manatee's on the prowl for a replacement now :c
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Post Post #2154 (isolation #496) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:26 am

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you've got volxy twice and I'm voting keys Manatee :)
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Post Post #2157 (isolation #497) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:40 am

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In post 2156, Keyser Söze wrote:TOWN-ALIGNED TEAM ASSEMBLE

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dude I've been here for weeks ;)
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Post Post #2161 (isolation #498) » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:38 pm

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In post 2159, Eragon wrote:ive liked ausuka's boldness, but honestly off the top of my head they seem different from WW, where they were town. correct me if im wrong plz.
I'm kinda reading it as a different stage of burnout more so than wolfy
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Post Post #2162 (isolation #499) » Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:48 am

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In post 2143, volxen wrote:
In post 2142, the worst wrote:skip over sorting me for now; let's just not heaven me today. we can sort each other in hell 3 pretty easily.

how do you feel about Eragon Ausuka and Labby?
OK, I'll start with those 3. I had Eragon and Keyser as strong townreads on day 2, but I'll take another look at Eragon. Then I'll look at Ausuka next and Labrat last.
In post 2160, volxen wrote:I still think Eragon is town, I need to look at Ausuka though.
sorry dude I was looking for like... a lot more on this... what did you reevaluate and why are you confident eragon is still town?

if you're not teh scumz who is and why? + allow we have two lynches that CAN BE MISLYNCHES.....before judgement day

who's towny enough for heaven besides keyser and why am I not?
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Post Post #2164 (isolation #500) » Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:54 am

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ye you just ducked my question and I still don't have a good sense for your reads except that you've randomly got eragon as town... :(

I think if we lynch you we probably win the game atm. I've swung around to a net townread of everyone else but my strongly recommended lynch path is still

Heaven 2 : keyser
Hell 3 : volxen
Heaven 3 : mee
Hell 4 : eragon/labrat
Judgement day : {era, labby} vs. Ausuka
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Post Post #2165 (isolation #501) » Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:57 am

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In post 2163, volxen wrote:I could ask you the same regarding why am I not towny enough for Heaven. I was your top pick for Heaven, even above Dr. J., until Irrelephant flipped red.
I really clearly would have preferred to send you to heaven over Dr. J d2 ye but partially that was because at the time I very seriously worried that scum!Keyser was rolling us all and that Dr. J was a scum motivated lynch (I had minor Dr. J wolf tinfoil but it wasn't worth airing; wolves clearly preferred his heaven lynch whatever)

You have poor associatives with Rel and Dr. J has no real associatives. your d1 contributions were pretty good but you read fairly frozen atm the moment we press down and try to get more out of you

I feel like I've spoken about my changed read on you a fair bit whereas the sum of yours is "your read on me changed ergo I don't think you're town anymore"? :? and you can't provide a read on Ausuka at all and you're townreading eragon 'just because'?
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Post Post #2169 (isolation #502) » Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:05 pm

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In post 2166, volxen wrote:Maybe we should send you to Heaven today, because if your solve is "lynch Volxen = town win" then we are seriously in trouble. Especially if you push for Eragon's lynch following my green flip.
so once again I'm forced to ask... what the hell is the solve? why are you so sure of Era flipping green?

even if you are destined to be lynched if you're convinced on Eragon being town we can send him to judgement day and safely nuke the other player alive. There's just nothing in your posts which convinces me or makes me think that you've spent much time forming that read (which gives me TMI vibes)

When I push back against you, you're deflecting the argument by resorting to attacks against either my intentions as a player this game (chainsawing yourself/Era) or my level of ability to form reads (fallacious reasoning).

I know that you're capable of #goodposting during a TvT situation like that one newbie game. The fact you're trying to duck out of this conversation without giving me much reasoning is making me really concerned this is TvS
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Post Post #2176 (isolation #503) » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:14 am

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In post 2174, volxen wrote:
In post 2171, Keyser Söze wrote:Yeah, I didn't like Volxen's vote there on TW.
Volxen should be voting in:
"At the moment I am convinced that {Keyser, Eragon} are town"

This is no time to act in pride and prove a point to a player you're not even hard town reading... it's reckless...


Scum only need one more player in heaven, correct?
My concern is that if TW is town, he is wrong on one of Labrat or Ausuka, but I don't know if he will ever see that. His plan is to lynch me in the next hell phase, and then after I flip green he will want to lynch Eragon in the next one. That is his "plan" that he has laid out repeatedly.

Keyser you are my strongest townread, but I'm also concerned that TW might cost us the game because I believe he has locktowned scum. I don't want the martyrs to have to choose between lynching Labrat or Ausuka on judgement day.

If you and TW are both town, I would prefer for you to stick around in the game. And Eragon is hard townreading TW, so I'm taking that into account, and I do believe this could just be town!TW hard tunneling me as he has done this before as town.
Where was this post when I kept asking you to show me where I was wrong? Why is scum in {Ausuka, Labby} and why are you so heavily town on Eragon? M
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Post Post #2179 (isolation #504) » Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:09 am

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In post 2177, volxen wrote:
In post 2175, Keyser Söze wrote:I wanted to actually re-read TW next... :shifty:

I know we keep saying 'he's out his scum-range', but we/I need to make sure of that today (if I get the martyr kill, I want to rid all my paranoia today).
Do you want to go to Heaven today, or do you want to stick around? I think our chances of winning are better if you stick around. I would also be willing to send Eragon to Heaven, but I don't want town!TW to cost us the game because he has locktowned both Ausuka and Labrat.
I don't mind, we should send keyser to heaven
Keyser Söze wrote:Right now: me or TW to heaven today. scum-TW has won the game either way. Town-TW should feel the same about me right now too (?)
I've already worked out my ptsd signature if you're scum. ;)
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Post Post #2180 (isolation #505) » Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:13 am

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once again volxen you're fearmongering really unconvincingly. I don't think you believe what you're saying. It sounds like you're a caught wolf who's realised he's lost so doesn't wanna sink time into the game but is honourable enough not to throw in the towel. :?

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1) town!Eragon, or
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Post Post #2181 (isolation #506) » Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:14 am

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just a reminder I have zero interest in talking about your alignment. we're gonna sort other people
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Post Post #2183 (isolation #507) » Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:27 am

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Volxy I'm trying to get you to spew your alignment so no, I'm not at liberty to intricately case you so that you know what I'm looking for. I am trying to solve this game with you and you keep shooing me away with soft insults to my abilities. What's the deal?
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Post Post #2187 (isolation #508) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:48 pm

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UNVOTE:

FoR tHe DrAmA
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Post Post #2189 (isolation #509) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:58 pm

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yeah sure VOTE: tw
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Post Post #2191 (isolation #510) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:56 am

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yeah i want you in heaven today as well

if you're scum i literally want to lose this game already so i can cry in the corner. but i don't think you're scum.
if you're town i want to move into hell 3 so volxen so i can finish this war with volxen >:C
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Post Post #2212 (isolation #511) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:54 am

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LAAABBBBYYYYYYYYY!!! welcome back
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Post Post #2213 (isolation #512) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:55 am

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In post 2192, Keyser Söze wrote:I would like to hear LabRats thoughts on me and you in the next 12 hours hopefully too.


@TW - describe your interactions with Relly and Dr J on D1...
what interactions?
I can't remember tbh
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Post Post #2214 (isolation #513) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:57 am

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Was that a hammer?
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Post Post #2215 (isolation #514) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:58 am

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Hell volxen tomorrow like 7 times out of 10. He might be town but he's doing nothing to show it atm.

Don't compromise on Keyser for heaven 3 either imo
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Post Post #2227 (isolation #515) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:26 pm

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darling I'm only voting me because you don't want me to lolhammer myself if I get to L-1. I'll be here for EoD, if you're L-1'd I'll hammer.
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Post Post #2237 (isolation #516) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:41 pm

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OH I forgot about the hammer
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Post Post #2238 (isolation #517) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:41 pm

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I'm teh scumz take that suckerzzzz
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Post Post #2240 (isolation #518) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:42 pm

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but Nah always hell volxen before judgement day unless he starts #goodposting aggressively. he's trying really hard and I think he's coached but he lacks the depth of thought trajectory and uphill battle feeling he has as town. his reads are hella lazy and he's very frozen
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Post Post #2247 (isolation #519) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:47 pm

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final spicy takes:

Keyser is town 85% of the time. And that's an A. if he's scum do not feel bad for heavening him; he has deserved the win 10 times over. I'd support this vote.

Eragon is holistically probably town by virtue of the way he's forming reads and the way people who have put in substantial effort have returned town on him. if Volxen flips town add like 50 credibility points to this read.

Labby is usually town as well but I'm a bit less confident; outside of my early day 1 tunnel her play has been like exceptionally good

From a meta point of view I personally really wanna believe Ausuka is town but atm I'm not 100% locked on this

Volxen refer above

glglglglglgl lovelies
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Post Post #2248 (isolation #520) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:48 pm

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tbqh I'd flip volxen tomorrow regardless just to see if era should be heaven 3'd
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Post Post #2251 (isolation #521) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:56 pm

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In post 2249, LabRat01 wrote:Ima0, if v0Ix fIips scum the game is 0ver, s0 his Iynch cann0t be inf0rmative in any way
if y0u're g0nna think ab0ut the next heaven phase y0u can as weII assume that he'II fIip t0wn
but yeah, he has t0 get Iynched, I reaIIy h0pe that'II be a scum Iynch tbh
me too ye but if he does green I think Eragon is like locked as the Heaven 3 lynch

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Post Post #2254 (isolation #522) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:02 pm

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I don't think so either; I don't think I can solve this from heaven without a volxen flip and I don't trust him to be heaven'd
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Post Post #2257 (isolation #523) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:40 pm

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Volxy if you spent less time shading me for being bad and more time talking to me about why you think you're right I'd be overjoyed
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Post Post #2258 (isolation #524) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:41 pm

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eh you can't talk to me

@Keys/Era I'm trusting you guys to be hypercritical of volxen even though he's townreading you.
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Post Post #2562 (isolation #525) » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:32 pm

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YEEET
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Post Post #2565 (isolation #526) » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:35 pm

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volxen freezing up under pressure was consistent with his scumgame and I'm a little surprised. I think there's a parallel universe where he worked w us on seeing his POV a bit more and we won in Hell 3 but that's also really tough to do when you're designed as a mislynch by like the entire list and I think he was slightly overgamed and was pushing it a little as it was

also probably lol @ me not realising that the Dr.J>volxen swing in Heaven 1 was probably town indicative

still..... we won \o/
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Post Post #2566 (isolation #527) » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:36 pm

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martyr chat is mostly us working out Labby was like 95% town and Era was like 90% town so we really hoped Ausuka was lynched......nothin' to see there... :shifty: ;)
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Post Post #2568 (isolation #528) » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:53 pm

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Keyser and I would've fought like an old married couple imo...... xD good to see you again btw Labby
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Post Post #2571 (isolation #529) » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:24 pm

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Gg Mr. Rellyphant
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learning is the ultimate scum wincon. if you keep changing shit up, who will ever catch you?
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Post Post #2574 (isolation #530) » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:52 pm

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I couldn't stand the tension between us.. :{
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Post Post #2578 (isolation #531) » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:43 pm

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In post 2576, volxen wrote:@TW why did you have Ausuka as basically locktown prior to you being sent to Heaven? I really didn't understand why you and Keyser were townreading Ausuka so heavily. To me the only obvtown players in the game towards the end were Keyser and Eragon. Why did you find Ausuka more towny than Eragon?
I didn't really parse Eragon/Irrelephant being unlikely SvS at first so I took a bit to sheep and be convinced on that; I kinda took a hard stance on Ausuka because this game looked a lot more like her town meta than scum meta and I wanted to get some feedback on that. She wasn't locktown tho, I don't think I had anyone locktown except {me, Keys} personally
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Post Post #2579 (isolation #532) » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:43 pm

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In post 2578, the worst wrote:
In post 2576, volxen wrote:@TW why did you have Ausuka as basically locktown prior to you being sent to Heaven? I really didn't understand why you and Keyser were townreading Ausuka so heavily. To me the only obvtown players in the game towards the end were Keyser and Eragon. Why did you find Ausuka more towny than Eragon?
I didn't really parse Eragon/Irrelephant being unlikely SvS at first so I took a bit to sheep and be convinced on that; I kinda took a hard stance on Ausuka because this game looked a lot more like her town meta than scum meta and I wanted to get some feedback on that. She wasn't locktown tho, I don't think I had anyone locktown except {me, Keys} personally
Also Labby in 3p I guess :giggle:
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Post Post #2592 (isolation #533) » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:34 am

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Lcp what evil training have you been doing??? I want some :giggle:
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