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tw and I agree the scum chat is very sad without youIn post 23, Keyser Söze wrote:Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum withthe worst(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)
I'm catching up, thank uIn post 36, Keyser Söze wrote:
Played two consecutive completed games with him recently, so I hope that helps me.In post 31, LabRat01 wrote:do you think you'll be able to read him?
this sounds about right for town!Keyser on page 2In post 30, LabRat01 wrote:WIFOM says you're not scum partners:
If not,as partners, it would seem you've made too much of a conscious effort to try to distance eachother (through anti-distance...?)
Playful RVS vote eachother...
You going all about how you dug up their first scum game and read ten whole pages of it as part of meta research...
Creating an awkward dis-connection between you two, which I conclude is: 2xVT or 1 goon-1 VT interactions.
I'm here! You're not in my townreads yet, I'll let you decide what to do with thatIn post 59, the worst wrote:Hmmm. I have a fair bit of experience with keyser so I might hold off on exactly how to read him here for a bit if that's alright (I promise, the end result will make up for the inconvenience. )
I kinda wish more people would come to play at this point. If you have any other hot takes lmk. I know volxen and Relly for example are good at producing content.
Your vote on Lefty is either a good one or too easyIn post 66, Keyser Söze wrote:Yeah, what the hell happened to MU, even in some browsers it's broken.
Bit too early for that but aIn post 51, the worst wrote:Keyser my love if you had to dayvig someone based off rvs who would it be and why?vote on Lefty was suffice. Ask me again when everyone has posted.send to hell
I'm glad you put the breaks on here... I thought you were showing me too much love xIn post 57, the worst wrote:as far as Keyser goes, he's not someone I would townread off a derpclear or tone or anything like that
I don't feel much from Lefty tbh, which is maybe a little scum indicative
I don't love that tw asked you to pick a scum from earlyposters even though you already had (busywork?)
slight townlean for this (more because it's Korina than if it was anyone else)In post 68, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote: I am here, game started when I was asleep.
@Mod, could we have what phase it is put in the thread title?
(Ik that we should know, however, just so its always known and someone can't use the argument of "well I didn't know it was (phase), otherwise I wouldn't have hammered them!")
ohIn post 71, LabRat01 wrote:
Don’t cross the line though or a tragedy may occurIn post 51, the worst wrote:Keyser my love if you had to dayvig someone based off rvs who would it be and why?Spoiler: nudity and severe congenital defects
That’s betterSpoiler: NSFW
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so many animal avatars in the game...
oh my
I really don't know what is being said hereIn post 74, LabRat01 wrote:
Was the “I wanna try to sort Key as quick as possible” supposed to be an excuse for asking Left to post reads?In post 54, the worst wrote:how do you read Key's entrance to the thread btw? I wanna try and sort him as quickly as possible so I can comfortably resume quoting The Usual Suspects and burninating scum.
No?
but it def feels that way
OR it feels like your question to Lefty was just an excuse to show off your great town motivations.
Which one do you pick?
I don’t like the previous post either (the one I joked about). It’s prob not directly scum motivated, but it feels a really safe and non-personal way of questioning someone.
Yep, I've read it three times and still don't know
Irrel, do you have any thoughts about the game so far?In post 102, Irrelephant11 wrote:oh yay this game started!
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VOTE: the worst
Sort of aggressive response, town points for that I thinkIn post 76, LabRat01 wrote:
You know, sth like that could prob be faked by a 5-year old.In post 55, Lefty wrote:What’s your take on Soze so far? Is the ‘I thought it was just two goons’ and then the break down of DrJ/Rat following that line of thought something you think they’d do/are capable of as scum?
Possibly younger
It kinda feels like you didn't want to appear useless so decided to writeanythingthat might appear helpful without actually considering if it makes sense to ask about that.
Do not do it like that. If you want to do sth, you can comment on the stuff:
-I wrote about duck,
-keyser wrote about me&DrJ,
-DrJ wrote about me/keiser
-or w/e.
Just pick a wagon and go with it, there’s no need to be wary here
without a second thought about rolling scum with me? I'm hurtIn post 82, Keyser Söze wrote:I half answered it/revised post because of *ongoing game*...
But yeah, I went into this game thinking... ‘if I’m scum, I hope it’s with the worst!’
(I prefer scum hunting though, as VT my ideal role)
What should his priority have been, you think?In post 87, Keyser Söze wrote:Me and TW are in love with eachother right now, but his introduction was maybe 15% buddy-esque towards me (from his point of you I bet he thinks I was trying to buddy him too! (Maybe at 5% output though). But at least I’ve looked at other players!I don’t think his priority should be to sort me first, that was a surprising post from him.
P.EDIT will look at conversation now
ftr I maybe agree but want to see you go into it more
92 from Korina reminds me of town!him
Though I feel like it's probably too early to say thisIn post 98, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Also, where the hell is Creature? I just realized that he's in the game trying to see who we haven't heard from.
If Creature keeps up this activity, I think its very safe to assume that he is scum.
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haha that works too
sorting the playerlist like
So far I have seen 0 things that couldn't come from scum!tw and I think his suggestion that others sort you for him is more likely to come from scum!him than town, especially in a game with me in it (it would be hard for him to argue with me about your alignment if you were town and I correctly identified that)
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In post 135, Keyser Söze wrote:That's weird, I've just been handed a note:
"I WILL BE LURKING FOR THE REST OF DAY 1. F**K META!"
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It was mostly for a reaction, they'd been overreacting to other things and I wanted to see what would happen if I voted them
Not much, so meh, probably still town. I can maybe buy the reason for "intentionally overreacting", even though I disagree that the things pointed out were AI for lab
rat/drj... possible scum partners but only if they planned for early theater from the get go
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He wouldn't (obviously) but he has good instincts as townIn post 165, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:How would Keyser know that unless he's scum?
It was mostly just to get him involved in the conversation, though, I didn't really expect him to have more info than me
I mean, I would say "we're the wagon on tw, it would be too bold as scum for us to do this", but it would sound a lot better coming from someone else, u knoIn post 165, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:I mean, do you have a reason why I shouldn't suspect that as the team?(Even though I think {TW, Lab, Creature} is more reasonable)
Also do you really think it's the three of them?? I don't understand how you're this confident (especially on creature, who hasn't posted once?)
Your push on labrat is too much imo and I can't decide if it's more likely to come from scum!you or town!youIn post 165, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:What things did I point out and say were AI?
Also, Irrel, do I seem like the type of person that would do this as scum, especially when we just finished a game where I described my meta several times?
Like I don't have this super strong townread on labrat but I feel like you're really sure he's scum because... he contradicted himself?
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RC stood for rolecard, which mod has asked we not talk aboutIn post 204, Creature wrote:
Why are people talking so much about RC? Is it the player or what it means?In post 99, LabRat01 wrote:“there was nothing in their RC”
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slight townlean, maybeIn post 200, Creature wrote:also tbh I like this setup
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Lots of people come here from other sites?In post 223, Creature wrote:
It wasn't obvious it was an alt?In post 156, Irrelephant11 wrote:oh fun, I didn't know I was interacting with an alt
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no one ever takes me up on thisIn post 603, Irrelephant11 wrote:wow there's some long posts here
Anyone want to feed me a short version of what they're thinking rn?I had lab at town at this point
I mean rn you're super reminding me of your play in PresidentsIn post 306, the worst wrote:and sorry relly :c i love catching teh scumz as much as the next adorbs animal but sadly you're on the wrong track this time
Have I ever read you correctly though? I think only the once, when I repped into the game you were caught!SK, so your odds I'm reading you wrong are good
Still though you're super reminding me of American Presidents rn and super not reminding me of the amazingly solve-y tw I've seen before
ew whatIn post 309, the worst wrote:Keyser.....are you trying to steer us off your scumbuddy?
Answer honestly
I sorta don't love the last sentence, can't name whyIn post 311, Keyser Söze wrote:
And here you’re already linking me with labrat.In post 309, the worst wrote:Keyser.....are you trying to steer us off your scumbuddy?
Answer honestly
You saying me defending / town leaning / wanting to give Rat room as “trying to steer us off (my) scumbuddy” again feels too intense.
I.e TMI. Why can’t I be a townie with a wrong read here?
wait yeah it's because it sort of assumes a scum!labrat even though keyser was townreading him I think
could just be keyser using wording I don't like though, let me not get caught up in this
This feels like way too strong a reactionIn post 313, the worst wrote:
this is too much goddamnit man i just wanted you to be town just this once FUCKIn post 311, Keyser Söze wrote:
And here you’re already linking me with labrat.In post 309, the worst wrote:Keyser.....are you trying to steer us off your scumbuddy?
Answer honestly
You saying me defending / town leaning / wanting to give Rat room as “trying to steer us off (my) scumbuddy” again feels too intense.
I.e TMI. Why can’t I be a townie with a wrong read here?
tw why are you scummmm
anyway the takeaway from this conversation is that my first feeling of town!keyser, scum!tw still feels very correct.In post 315, Keyser Söze wrote:
Again, why can’t I be town who isn’t scum-reading Labrat?In post 313, the worst wrote:
this is too much goddamnit man i just wanted you to be town just this once FUCKIn post 311, Keyser Söze wrote:
And here you’re already linking me with labrat.In post 309, the worst wrote:Keyser.....are you trying to steer us off your scumbuddy?
Answer honestly
You saying me defending / town leaning / wanting to give Rat room as “trying to steer us off (my) scumbuddy” again feels too intense.
I.e TMI. Why can’t I be a townie with a wrong read here?
This overdramatic foreplay still doesn’t answer my question.
Why am I scum forcefully ‘steering’ off players from my ‘scumpartner’?
This new narrative about me and labrat being scum partners is very concerning.
lolIn post 317, Creature wrote:
Yeah, you're probably belowIn post 278, Keyser Söze wrote:Me same level as creature?
oh but also, no
Can you give an example of town!you struggling to get decent reads? I'm not really believing this post... at allIn post 323, Creature wrote:Also if I was scum I'd be more willing to give townreads. I'm rn struggling to get decent reads.
tbf I did have an early game though that keyser and labrat are probably on the same team, and though I would be more surprised than not if either flipped red I would definitely look at the other one nextIn post 324, the worst wrote:
i asked you a question, i'm not pushing the fact i s/s read you all that hard atm because i was hoping you'd laugh it off and give me more shiny content.In post 315, Keyser Söze wrote:
Again, why can’t I be town who isn’t scum-reading Labrat?In post 313, the worst wrote:
this is too much goddamnit man i just wanted you to be town just this once FUCKIn post 311, Keyser Söze wrote:
And here you’re already linking me with labrat.In post 309, the worst wrote:Keyser.....are you trying to steer us off your scumbuddy?
Answer honestly
You saying me defending / town leaning / wanting to give Rat room as “trying to steer us off (my) scumbuddy” again feels too intense.
I.e TMI. Why can’t I be a townie with a wrong read here?
This overdramatic foreplay still doesn’t answer my question.
Why am I scum forcefully ‘steering’ off players from my ‘scumpartner’?
This new narrative about me and labrat being scum partners is very concerning.
what's your angle here? like fyi i'd rather flip labby first and work it out from there but i don't townread you either and there's nothing that's disallowing me from reading you guys as s/s
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Still don't really understand volxen's scumread of labrat? Like it seemed like it came from "there has to be 1 scum in {tw, labrat}" and imo tw is scummier here
SpicyIn post 356, Keyser Söze wrote:If LabRat flips scum - we never send me to heaven. Deal?
I actually really like this post and would like to think it's anti-partner indicative for keyser/labrat but the fact that it came shortly after paranoia about a keyser/labrat team makes me less sureIn post 358, LabRat01 wrote:
I didn't read anything past the last post I quoted, so sorry if I missed anything, but that post is worthlessIn post 356, Keyser Söze wrote:If LabRat flips scum - we never send me to heaven. Deal?
If you think that I'm town, then defend me and talk about it so that even IF you're wrong, the other people might prove you wrong
telling people to punish you IF I flip scum feels like you're acting all high and mighty to gain the towncreed when I flip town
I've seen people do it as town and tbf I also did it once near the end of the game when I was really confident in my reads, but just don't because it's making me feel weird
you're not even townreading me
Still though I didn't even think of Keyser's "deal" this way and think it's overall towny that this pinged you, especially since I feel like it might not even occur to you that Keyser's "deal" is sour if you weren't measuring it against your own town-alignment
is this you saying he's "improved scum" or that he's town?In post 384, Keyser Söze wrote:
Improvement noticed too... would like to witness wider focus though.In post 377, Irrelephant11 wrote:My one thought without fully catching up is this seems like a towny volxen, unless he’s trying very very hard to improve his scumgame (no nuance there)
It's theoretically possible this is his improved scumgame (and he's tryhard enough to get there) but it's a BIG jump from easy-to-lynch-d1 scum!volxen from WW
I think this is a pretty meh wagonomics read, only three of us have shown any interest in voting him and I pulled it together really quickly by asking them to vote him i.e. I think it's definitely possible tw is scum with 2-3 town on-wagon. Actually if he's scum it's probably always with one of keyser/labrat given scum would not feel in-danger at all if they can shift momentum at their leisureIn post 388, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Tw is probably town based on the lack of any wagon - while I don't doubt scum could be WIFOMING there, I think thats much less unlikely than them leaving a wagon sit there.
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I still am a little concerned at him seemingly trying to buddy me, but hmph, I'm probably reading too much into it
meh maybe that's too picky a read but overall I still think this is a bad reason to townread tw
I also have definitely gotten pocket-y vibes from him regarding your slot ("so pure!!!!" iirc?).
without nuanceIn post 390, LabRat01 wrote: how does volx play as scum?
haha to explain further he seems to really struggle as scum to come up with thought-out reasoning for his reads. His reads aren't perfect but the amount of thought that goes into them shows a lot about his alignment (I think he's almost certainly town here)
I led the wagon on tw. Does that change your read on labrat at all?In post 398, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Labrat, well, I'm getting plenty of scum pings there.
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Overall I think Labrat is scum and led a wagon on TW
And when he saw it wasn't going anywhere unvoted
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It's posts like these that keep swinging me back to scum!tw every timeIn post 401, the worst wrote: I literally have no idea what you're asking me for here LOL
if it's in relation to a specific post can you quote that post?
sorry to be difficult but your line of questioning is really jarring with the way I think for some reason
I swear I've seen scum!him make this post before
I might be caught in confbias though so let me assume he's town for a bit and see what that does for me
town!tw is probably right about creature?In post 404, the worst wrote:
well we only just hydra'd so...no?In post 336, Creature wrote:
Learned to misread me like three games a row from him?In post 334, the worst wrote:we actually just hydra'd in a game, maybe i've learned more from him than i realised?
also you used this "misreading me" thing as scum in Heroes Wanted didn't you? I use the same argument as scum..
scum!tw might be right about creature tbh
this seems like bad reasoning?In post 407, Keyser Söze wrote:Both my t/leans and the players I’m not t/reading are loving TW.
Willing to except I’m wrong about him...
this wagon has been killed.
UNVOTE:
Like where's the usual Keyser-brand push against the grain
Is there a world where Keyser and tw are both scum?
Anyway if tw is town here (like I'm trying to read everything as) this is scummy - "oh there's no more support for the lynch? Then he's town!"
lolIn post 411, the worst wrote:
why is this so ridiculous...?In post 350, Keyser Söze wrote:You think scum-labrat is chainsaw defending scum-me on PAGE ONE against TWO PLAYERS?
the reason chainsawing is a scumtell is that inexperienced scum players tend to do it unintentionally
This post is bizarre.In post 421, Keyser Söze wrote:
I was just being OMGUS’y against you and Volxen it seems......... unwilling to accept being scum read unjustly.In post 411, the worst wrote:
why is this so ridiculous...?In post 350, Keyser Söze wrote:You think scum-labrat is chainsaw defending scum-me on PAGE ONE against TWO PLAYERS?
the reason chainsawing is a scumtell is that inexperienced scum players tend to do it unintentionally
[In truth though, in that scenario, ‘scum-LabRat’ was using me as a springboard to attack ‘townies’ for questioning me (who she knows is town).]
Obviously, I’m terribly wrong about everyone.
Let’s kill LabRat then “town”.
VOTE: LabRat
trying to townread tw still but this also reads pocket-yIn post 422, the worst wrote:
volxy i owe you a drink postgame regardless of alignments ~_~In post 371, volxen wrote:If you are town, you are really misunderstanding why I am scumreading you
If tw is town, this is probably mostly accurate. I had some of the same feelings about Keyser in his posts leading up to thiso neIn post 424, the worst wrote:just musing bc i've got to the top of this page:
there is a world where i'm wrong on labby
i don't think i'm wrong on creature and i think keyser is more likely scum than labby if i'm wrong on them being s/s
the language around "if labby flips red..." and the fact keyser appears to be JUMPING INTO their associatives so heavily pings agenda-ey, but feels anti-s/s. at the same time i think keyser knows that this kind of behaviour doesn't look like s/s so i feel like he might even do it as s/s? i need to have a better think abt this but like i'm vibing
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In post 427, the worst wrote:
nnnnnnnnnhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhIn post 423, LabRat01 wrote:
I don't really have a read on him rn, most of his posts are tonally composed and he doesn't show many emotions besides those few posts where he seemed surprised for you SRing him and the happiness/jokiness from time to time. Like, I don't think I can read that. I'd probably need to read some of his games (or at least the ISOs) to check if he's normally that reactionless as now, but for now meh.In post 408, the worst wrote: what's your read on keyser, labby?
If there's anything I could said to have pinged me, it would be his suggestion to "never lynch him to heaven if I flip scum". Like, that was just bad and I don't get his reasoning for thinking that "the martyrs would have obviously lynched him",
Kind of seemed like a cheap excuse, but again, I don't think I'm able to tell if he really forgot about the judgment day mechanics or not so it's not a read I value strongly
idk, honestly, I've been kind of flaking with reading him, but I'll prob have to change that when I can along with my other bad reads on the nuller half of the playerlist
VOTE: Keyser
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this is actually probably the towniest thing from tw yetIn post 429, the worst wrote:I DON'T KNOW KEYSER- Irrelephant11
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Spoiler: hmmmm
I mostly don't feel like this is tvt (the two of you are normally great at reading each other) but I can't decide how to resolve it from there
tw has had more moments I dislike in isolation
I have not had any mindmelds with keyser, on the other hand, which I normally have like every third page when we're t/t (besides my tunnel on him the first time we played together)
It's probably not svs even though I kinda like to flatter myself and say you two would maybe put on this show just for me
I also think tw has gone WAY up in the past like 6-8 pages in game-solving and I think his Creature case is somewhat compelling, and I agree with his townreads on volxen and the hydra, not to mention keyser unvoted tw with super weak reasoning?? so for now I'm leaning town!tw if I have to pick a town
There's a CARMEN this game???????????????
that maybe explains why I feel like I have only been able to find two scum at a time
there was a couple minutes where I did indeed think this was the game solveIn post 591, Keyser Söze wrote:We really need 9 active voices, with a third of us being scum. There has been a stagnant focus on me, LabRat and Creature so far which I don’t like. That is not a gamesolve.
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ebwopIn post 642, Irrelephant11 wrote:why did people stop talking when I caught up? lame- Irrelephant11
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I don't think you're scum here. You're right that it died somewhere between 547 and 552
Also I went back to re-read American Presidents and I think I was conflating it with your play in Watchmen Wanted. You have a few tonal moments of similarity, but you're right that it is probably mostly personality
Spoiler: this is like sorta similar to your early play here, but
idk that you've ever as town said that "nibbling at the back of my skull" thing (which I think you have said this game) but I doubt I just found a magical tell for you, so... great!
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{tw, volxen, DrJ}
{labrat}
{Carmen, lefty} - null
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also I feel mmmm pretty good about this? Carmen/lefty showing up could unseat any of these, really, but that can waitIn post 649, the worst wrote:wild, I don't mind those reads
how do you feel about
Hell: Creature
Heaven: DrJ
Hell: Keyser
Heaven: Volxen
Confession I'm not 100% sure when the win is triggered but I think this just gets us there
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this is basically where I'm at, except with lefty's activity falling off a cliff (I think you said it was an NAI activity drop? but still) I can't really justify holding onto a stale townread after the game has gotten so much more complexIn post 650, the worst wrote:
I'm sorry labrat is either town or scum with keyser and keyser's later against her makes him read unaligned with her so like 60% of the time she's town but it's not a great confidence read (she did push some buuuullshit with aggression which I think she would agree with post-game (a la scum!me bahaha))In post 648, Irrelephant11 wrote:tw sort labrat and lefty for me
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As in, you think DrJ and Volxen are both scum?In post 656, Creature wrote:
Sure, the game will end as soon Volxen is sent to heaven.In post 649, the worst wrote:how do you feel about
Hell: Creature
Heaven: DrJ
Hell: Keyser
Heaven: Volxen
As are me and tw?
or?
also I'm definitely sheeping tw on you, yes. prove us wrong- Irrelephant11
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Is this the entirety of your read on volxen orIn post 528, Creature wrote:
lol this postIn post 522, volxen wrote:
Yes, that's why I asked TW about it as well. I don't intend to read all 521 pages of Heroes Wanted, but I feel like reading a portion of it could hopefully help me to understand TW's meta read of Creature. That's why I would like TW to narrow down what portion of that game would be most beneficial to read.In post 518, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:We'll, I'm off to bed
Hoping town does the right thing and votes creature
It will flip scum, I'm 99% sure
Lcp
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Okay
To start, volxen and I just finished a newbie game together tvt.
One of the biggest differences I saw in his play in the newbie vs in Watchmen Wanted was in how he formed reads. In WW his reads were something like "This player is pushing someone I think is town, therefore scum" and "lurking is scummy". That's about as deep as he ever got (read: so shallow they're not even in the water, even as he wrote walls to say it all)
In the newbie, his reads were "This player's suggestions help a pro-scum agenda, therefore scum" and "This player's play would be extremely risky and likely to fail if scum, therefore town". The first of the two reads I'm describing here (scumread on varsoon) was wrong, but he
a) clearly believed it
2) was considering other players' motivations in both cases, which showed much deeper thinking about "why" someone's play is scummy, rather than leaning on caricatures of scummy play to make other players more mislynchable.
From his 307 - "I would think town!Rat would understand that this game isn't just about everyone forming their own reads in isolation and then presenting their readslist to the rest of the group, but it's largely a game that involves interacting with everyone else to understand their motivations, which includes asking players questions such as, "what did you think about X from player Y?" The fact that Rat's initial reaction to both questions about Keyser was to immediately label them as attempts to be LAMIST rather than as genuine questions that were asked to gather information to help gamesolve, seems much more likely to come from scum than town."
This paragraph alone is halfway to townclearing for volxen imo. It reminds me of his push on Varsoon - probably wrong (if I'm right about labrat), but he believes it and is taking into account more than surface-level scum traits. He's really trying to find another player's motivations.
I won't say volxen HAS to be town here, because I will take into account his tryhard-ness and comments he's made about wanting to improve his scumgame, but I think his similarities to his play in the newbie and the difference between this and WW is notable and obvious - not to mention he is game solving mostly un-prompted so far, whereas a lot of the development of his reads in WW came after he was wagoned
the fact that tw also meta-townreads volxen helps confirm, as I think regardless of tw's alignment he'd probably agree that this is very different from the weak scumgame we've seen from volxen, and is very similar to town!volxen as seen elsewhere
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we should be so luckyIn post 767, Keyser Söze wrote:Odds of the entire famous 5 WW squad being all-town? Not good- Irrelephant11
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So 724 seems to be how eragon formats any deep read he makes as either alignment (I remember learning this upon metadive to figure out his scumgame)
Umm his fake scumread of Ausuka in Watchmen Wanted consisted mostly of "Can't explain this??" and "one interpretation of this post would be ____, and that's the one I pick"
doesn't focus much on trajectory so much as isolated moments
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