[Game Over] Open 743 - The Crown of Misery

[Nako]

Leodanny (L-2)

: Thor665, Persivul, Dunnstral, rb,
Egix96

rb (L-4)

: Leodanny, Something_Smart, DarkLightA

Malakitty (L-5)

: Lamees, Auro

DarkLightA (L-6)

: bristep123

Malakitty, Nako

I don't really understand this setup, I don't know if it would make sense for scum to claim a PR or not...

[Leodanny]

Thor, you think RB's slot is iffy, don't you think that flip is better?

I don't think it's better, and there's more support for Leodanny.
You town read him - why are you trying to redirect from a null/scum read of yours to a town read?

Thor, I want to talk about this more - I think it's a horrendous idea to gate a cop check to one or two people, since if there's a cop it's almost guaranteed that we have a framer/GF or both.

Why were you happy at that suggestion?

You say this like GFs aren't near constant issues with Cops in basically every game.
I'm happy with the Cop targeting.
I'm happy with the Cop targeting me or a top scumspect of mine.
If I opposed any part of that then I'd need to oppose the COp targeting anyone.
Do you fear Framer/GF so much you think the Cop shouldn't target? Unless your answer is 'yes' I fail to see your issue here.

Why is he scum? I get the "not cotributing" part, but that isnt alignment indicative. I town read him because he isn't pushing for a scum wincon imo. Like you get players who troll around and don't contribute/lurk. But they still push aggressively for mislynches as scum (see notmafia in that game we played together) and kind of what rb was doing earlier this game. Leodanny isnt doing that.

He's currently voting the biggest wagon that isn't him.
Before the wagon on him he was on the biggest wagon.
His vote isn't doing nothing.

You know when I voted that? Way before my wagon formed. And I did not jump on that without reason.
Also double negatives are weird, can you not do that?

[Nako]

So, rb, what do you use imo as?

This posts seems irrelevant to the conversation and they did not post something else at that time, seems weird.

[Nako]

Reveal the undead by asking more things! Auro, who do you think is most likely to be scum?

The last thing I said about Leo also applies to Yyotta.
However, they have recent joining dates so I don't know.

[Nako]

We should lynch rb, high chance of scum. If somehow town, at least we don't have to see more "wow -insert random text- imo" posts lol.

High chance of being scum? How do you know?
Being confident this early seems weird.

[Nako]

We're lynching rb. I've seen this happen too much and lost games as town because of it. Not letting it go. My vote is on rb for the entire game until one of us gets lynched.

To be honest, this post pinged me as TWTBAW but I'll keep an eye on Angel.

[Leodanny]

So, rb, what do you use imo as?

This posts seems irrelevant to the conversation and they did not post something else at that time, seems weird.

I just wanted to know, since imo means in my opinion, and if I expanded all of the acronyms, his posts sound really wish-washy

[Something_Smart]

If angel hits framed town we have a scummy town dead, equivalent to a vig shot. A second vig shot or a blocked kill would put us way ahead.
But if angel dies and picks a town that nobody knows, we get nothing at all.

Who determines what a scummy target is?

I mean, in a theoretical sense it's someone that the town would otherwise have lynched. In practice, someone who is scumread by a majority is a pretty good approximation of that.

[Lamees]

Why is he scum? I get the "not cotributing" part, but that isnt alignment indicative. I town read him because he isn't pushing for a scum wincon imo. Like you get players who troll around and don't contribute/lurk. But they still push aggressively for mislynches as scum (see notmafia in that game we played together) and kind of what rb was doing earlier this game. Leodanny isnt doing that.

He's currently voting the biggest wagon that isn't him.
Before the wagon on him he was on the biggest wagon.
His vote isn't doing nothing.

He voted rb first according to the VC. So him being on that wagon is just him voting for who he thinks is scummy? How does him voting rb make him scum necessarily?

This seems like a misrep, are you saying he is being opportunistic by voting the next big wagon? Which he couldn't be doing since he voted there when the wagon didn't exist/ was small (like 1 vote from me) at best.

I dont think you answered my question here.

[Nako]

Okay so quick reads. Apparently my Lamees quote died in a preview so whatever =___=

Townish pile:

Rb, Thor, something smart

I don’t like you pile (gut feeling at the moment)

Lamees and leodanny

The only problem I have about leodanny is he is still new to forum mafia, but I feel like this game he is different. Hard to explain, but there’s something about him that’s off. I think the whole well I don’t change votes but did without a reason bugged me.

Lamees I more feel like the posts don’t really have any substance behind it. I didn’t like the first post I quoted more because I felt like it’s I’m here looking like I’m contributing but then not doing anything about it.

VOTE: Lamees

Oh good we have similar scumreads.
For your townreads, I don't think you should be so sure about those players, I think they might be good at scum so it is early to sort IMO.

[Nako]

Leodanny (L-4)

: Persivul, Thor665, Auro

Lamees (L-5)

: rb, Malakitty

rb (L-5)

: Lamees, Leodanny

DVa (L-5)

: Egix96, NotNova

Auro (L-6)

: Dunnstral

NotNova (L-6)

: DVa

YyottaCat, Something_Smart

I have been in a game with lamee where I read her as scum right off the bat. She hammered me ; I made her scum slip and she went unlynched and won the game

This looks good, If you are good at reading Lamees, I think I can follow you on their wagon.

Based on other people, VOTE: lamees, I won't know if it was l-2 or something like that

If Lamees is scum, this is also probably a town.

[Nako]

Let's talk about this post

wow back to not taking mafia seriously imo

too hard tbh

You then went back to voting me over DVA. So you even admit your vote on me is not serious lol.

When town is ready to lynch scum (that is rb) let me know.

Has anyone played with town Lamees? Are they so confident in their early pushes? What about their scumgame?

[Nako]

Meh, I guess Lamees might really believe that rb was scum

I mean, he’s just saying wow
Imo
True
One
Vote lamees
Two

This feels like the scum trying to mislynch though, this is basically echoing Lamees.

[Nako]

Even if there was contradiction (which there isn't) how is it even alignment indicative? Why would I as scum make contradicting posts?

This questions are also ironic with each other
Not gonna lie, Lamees saying "Contradicting is NAI" felt townish after SS townread Lamees for that.

[Nako]

This is not a really serious post but I have to say that Auro and Thor's interactions felt like they are the same person because I think their posting style is very similar.

[Nako]

How do you know a cop exists? Feels a bit like TMI.

Why do you think scum would out like that???

[Nako]

I am at page 17 now and for some reason, I got the feeling that Egix is scum trying to blend in.

[Nako]

Okay, I've just had a quick skim through everything that happened since the last time I was here, which was about 24 hours ago.
Does anyone else think that rb's most recent posts (from about #339 onward) are very scummy in tone? Apart from the supposed scumslip, that is?
Maybe I'm getting hardcore pocketed by Lamees here, but in all honesty I would much rather lynch rb today.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: rb

VOTE: Egix96

[Nako]

@rb:

I'm going to have to ask you to stop repeating a joke that no one else wants to hear. Consider this an official warning.

What joke?

[Nako]

TBH, I checked DVa's games and her scum games felt she were more frustrated and in her town games, she was just having fun.
DVa can definitely be scum here, I'd like to ask Auro and Thor about her though.

[Egix96]

What joke?

Starting and ending all their posts with wow... imo

[Nako]

Meh, Leodanny's flip is going to be as useful as his slot currently is I feel, he was hella lynchbaity in 1898 too, I definitely wouldn't want to this slot to make it to MyLo/LyLo. I think it's fine to take our chances here *shrug*

This looks good.

[Nako]

What joke?

Starting and ending all their posts with wow... imo

Wow RIP freedom of speech imo.

[Nako]

Town-
Leodanny

[Nako]

If Lamees is a town for serious, I would also suspect Mala for their false metaread.
Also I have a hot take on Thor:
I haven't played with him but if he was scum, he would try to pocket townies instead of war of the walls.