Scumleague FF 2018 (First Game 9/6)

[mith]

If you're interested in playing this year, read below and post /in.

Rules:

• Don't join unless you will participate for the entire season. Failure to do so may result in relegation or banning from the league.
• All moves should be made with the intent of improving your team. Collusion is not acceptable.
• See the Yahoo! rules for more information.

Rosters and Scoring:

• Rosters: 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 D/ST, 1 K, 6 BN, 1 IR; Scoring is Yahoo! standard except no PPR.

League Setup:

• We will have one or more leagues of 8, 10, 12, or 14 depending on the number of players signing up.
• Invites will go out to the previous year's participants based on order of finish, in order to form League 1.
• After signups have been open for week or two (or maybe a bit longer, since signups went up early this year) and the player list is somewhat stable, I will fill League 1 and assign remaining players to League 2 (and 3, if needed).
• Don't start a league to "help out". I will select a commish for the other Leagues once I know who is going to be in the leagues.

L1:

playing for a hummer (Internet Stranger)
Tally Whackers (Talitha)

pickemgenius

Rob's Shitshow (Rob13)
#EndBBM (AGar)
Los Encabezados (pablito)
Sea Brees (Yiley)
My dear Watson (Nero Cain)
Ramblin' Rhinos (Rhinox)
Jahudo's Jaguars (Jahudo)
Xalxe's Sportballers (Xalxe)
Rolling Thunder (racefan12)

L2:

Reindeer (mith)
Poker's Aces (PokerFace)
Ninja Squad (Sharon)
Cultural Marxists (Wraith)
Bone's Bouncy Boners (T-Bone)

David nGOATku (TheDominator37)
Kuruoshi Pengin (PenguinPower)
Macho Man Coverage (Panzerjager)
Men Without Helmets (D3f3nd3r)
Kmd's Raiders (Kmd4390)

League 3

Get Reckt (xRECKONERx)
Brass's Best (brassherald)
Snakes on a Plane (Snakes)
Prolicious (entreri)
Bro's tbd team (BROseidon)
EZ Clap (pickemgenius)
Electric Boogaloo (Rob13)
Nero's Neat Team (Nero Cain)

[mith]

oh right

Didn't you start that thread last year?

[mith]

Who wants to be in charge of sending reminders? Here's the list from last year:

Flameaxe
Internet Stranger
Talitha
pickemgenius
Rob13
AGar
pablito
Yiley
Rhinox
Jahudo
Xalxe
Aronis
racefan12
zoraster
gamsimbre
TheDominator37
mith
hasdgfas
PokerFace
DeathNote
PenguinPower
Panzerjager
Sharon
Nero Cain
Locke Lamora
D3f3nd3r
Kmd4390
ZachRulez
TwoInAMillion
Wraith
Mjollnir
T-Bone
xRECKONERx
Assemblerotws
Charles510

[mith]

btw

L2 unless moved up:
Nero Cain

I was 7th in L1 last year so I should still be in L1.

Weird, not sure what happened in my spreadsheet there. I had thought it might be because you were also in L3, but that's not where you would have been based on L3 either.

[mith]

Planning to close signups around August 7th, in order to give us enough time to decide on draft times. That should be plenty of time to round up the stragglers. (We're at 21 at the moment, with 20 returning of last year's 35.)

[mith]

I would be very surprised if we don't get to 30, at least. We have had consistent membership for several years. (That said, don't know where all the stragglers are.)

(Also, we're at 22 now with Rhinox. So we'd be at 12/10 without doubling up.)

[mith]

I am not sure yet whether I'm joining for this year or not. I'm not super interested in paying attention to the NFL with their horrible response to the anthem protests. Do you need me to make numbers look good?

Other than trying to hit an even number, we'll be fine.

22: 12/10 (two divisions of five)
24: 12/12 (three divisions of four)
25: 12/13 (with a bye week, everyone plays everyone)
26: 12/14 (everyone plays everyone)
28: 12/8/8 (everyone plays everyone twice)
30: 12/10/8
32: 12/10/10
34: 12/12/10
36: 12/12/12

[mith]

You can - you just need a dummy account to act as the 14th player. We've done it in the GL league before.

(This also gets around the issue of the "bye" player not having their score counted for their total.)

[mith]

You can - you just need a dummy account to act as the 14th player. We've done it in the GL league before.

(This also gets around the issue of the "bye" player not having their score counted for their total.)

I would never have thought of that. Great idea, and it should work. I’d imagine they just draft players almost guaranteed to not get fantasy points and then drop them all?

Yeah, I set up an autodraft for a bunch of terrible (injured, third string, etc.) players. I think it did get a couple points by accident because I kept setting themed lineups for it.

[mith]

Actually, we still have 12/12 right now since Panzer doesn't want to play with 12+. But hopefully we'll get a couple more from the reminders I sent.

[mith]

Right, that’s what I meant.

[mith]

14 plays fine, it's just deep. Bit more of a crapshoot in terms of who wins the league as a result, but in this case the main thing would be finishing top 4, not placing 1st.

I'll leave signups open til end of day, but I'm not really expecting anyone else based on who has already read the most recent reminder.

We could still go 12/8/8 to get Panzer back in, with peg, Rob, and I filling out the rest of L3. I am not opposed to that plan. (Promotion would still be top 3 from L2 and winner of L3, unless one of the duplicates won L3 in which case #9 in L1 would stay up?)

[mith]

(Would also at least add a flex position if we have 8 team leagues. 8 team with standard rosters would be way too stacked.)

[mith]

Yeah, 14 team would be 6 team playoff (which is fine, 14 team round robin is only 13 weeks, instead of our usual 14 week schedule).

[mith]

Also there’s the issue that L3 would be 3/8 people in a second league.

This wouldn't be unprecedented. In 2012, I called signups at 12/14, but an unofficial L3 formed later with 5 new players and 3 dupes. That was the first year with three leagues, actually (and promotion stayed at 4 from L2, since L3 was unofficial - didn't matter anyway, as the winner of L3 didn't play the next year).

[mith]

Wait we didn’t math right, we would only need two people playing twice since we have 26 as it stands.

We have 26 if hascow plays; but he only wants to play if it makes an even number, and we don't need him if we have three willing dupes.

Would be different if we had 28 counting him, I'd certainly ask if he's willing to play to avoid any dupes. But if we're having them anyway...

[mith]

Also need to start coming up with an elaborate draft lottery for Luke to help me with...

[mith]

Yup. 14 team is no longer in consideration, and Panzerjager is back to a definite yes.

[mith]

I can almost guarantee we will have someone wanting to sign up after I close signups...

[mith]

Yeah, the list is in order.

Signups are officially closed - I'll set up L2/L3 tomorrow (I'll commish both). We'll go 12/10/10, with five of us pulling double duty in L3.

Given that only half of L3 will even count for promotion, I'm going to just split the divisions that way (all dupes and all non-dupes). L3 will not promote directly to L1, and their promotion status will depend solely on relative finish to one another. Promotion will be as follows:

L1 - bottom three to L2
L2 - top three to L1, bottom two (?) to L3
L3 - top two among the non-dupes (?) to L2

The actual number of promotions and relegations in L2/L3 depends on how many L2 has next year (and realistically, we will probably have enough turnover in L2 again that everyone returning will be in). Full priority order:

L1 #1
L1 #2
L1 #3
L1 #4
L2 #1
L1 #5
L1 #6
L1 #7
L2 #2
L1 #8
L2 #3
L1 #9
----
L1 #10
L2 #4
L1 #11
L2 #5
L3 #1
L2 #6
L1 #12
L2 #7
L2 #8
L3 #2
L2 #9
L3 #3
L2 #10
L3 #4
L3 #5

[mith]

(And someone please check the OP to make sure I didn't miss anyone. I've removed hascow since he would only reduce the number of dupes, not remove them entirely.)

[mith]

You know you guys don't have to respond to each other, right?

Everyone is in L3 and I've set up the divisions. Just missing one in L2. I'll get schedules set up in both once L2 is full. Nero, I'll send you the 12-team schedule for L1 this week as well, please let me know how divisions are set up.

[mith]

Please note that we have 3 WR (old Yahoo standard) rather than 2 WR + 1 Flex (new Yahoo standard). OP has been updated to reflect this.

[mith]

2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex puts too much emphasis on running backs IMO, at a time when the league is doing the opposite.

Auction actually runs 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 Flex, which I would be fine going to (though of course it's pretty deep with 12). Flex is most interesting in auction though, since you could actually choose to take 4 top 10 WRs or 3 top 10 RBs or something crazy like that.

[mith]

Honestly, I'd be more in favor of 2 RB, 4 WR/TE.

In your version, there's just not going to be much difference for drafting purposes - no one is taking a TE2 over a WR3, all it would really do is allow someone to take two top tier TEs at the expensive of their WR slots. (Obviously in season it makes having a decent backup TE available better, in case your WR corps turns out to be terrible/broken.)

WR4 vs. TE1 is a more interesting decision - Yahoo's current rankings would have 39 WRs starting vs. 9 TEs - and if you really like TEs for some reason you could load up on the top 6 and have something like Gronk/Ertz/Graham/? as your receiving starters.

[mith]

If you want realism, it should probably be something like 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 W/T. 2 RB formations only accounted for around 10% of the snaps last year.

[mith]

League 2

Thursday Aug 23 at 9pm Central is looking likely at the moment, with 7/10 reporting.

Not enough feedback for L3 yet, but next Saturday has a big possible window still open. (I'll base the draft for L3 more on division 1 rather than the dupes.)

[mith]

The main reason is that the balanced divisional schedule for 10 team is 13 weeks. It's a little silly to have more than half the league in playoffs, but it does place more importance on finishing top 2 (for the bye) and week 14 (for making it to semis, vs. maybe having a random extra game against unequal competition determine the 4 seed).

It's been in the spreadsheet for ages, and it's what we use in the GL league, just haven't had a 10 team league here in a while.

[mith]

League 2

I've got responses from all but one player on draft time. Currently we have three nights that might work, with one marked as not able to make it. I've PM'd those players to see if we can find a compromise time.

[mith]

League 3

Don't have responses from everyone yet, but our best bet right now is Saturday the 25th starting 3pm Central.

[mith]

League 2

Draft is tentatively scheduled for Thursday the 23rd starting 8pm Central.

[mith]

My point about emphasis was that 2.5 RB, 2.5 WR (which is what the standard Flex roster basically turns into) is so far removed from actual football schemes. I don't have any problem with RBs scoring more points than WRs (and that's really only true at the very top) - without Flex, it doesn't matter at all (since points are relative to replacement only within that position).

PPR eliminates the emphasis in a Flex league by (in theory) making the Flex decision shift strongly toward WR3 over RB3... Which is what 2 RB, 3 WR does anyway. (In practice, I'm not sure even that is true - ESPN's current rankings would have you draft 24 RBs and 26 WRs as starters in a 10 man league - their standard for those rankings - for non-PPR... and 25 RBs and 25 WRs in PPR).

And yes, PPR does make certain RBs more playable... at the expensive of making other RBs less playable. PPR also leads to some bizarre scoring, IMO (a 0 yard catch should not be worth as much as a 10 yard run).

I would not be opposed to playing PPR sometime, but I don't think it objectively makes the fantasy football experience any more interesting. It's a matter of preference - and Scumleague has always been non-PPR.

[mith]

Relevant: https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/8/15 ... first-down

(I would guess PPFD would help TEs and third-down RBs more than WRs, but at least it makes more sense relative to on-the-field performance.)

[mith]

Everything I said about PPR applies to half-PPR.

[mith]

I

don't

want actual football schemes (my comment on the previous page re: 1 RB should reflect that). What I do want is for the RB:WR ratio to make more sense than I feel it does in the 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex suggestion (ESPN standard) that I was actually discussing on the previous page. One way to do that is our current roster setup; another is PPR. (FWIW, PPFD probably makes this worse, since starting RBs should do well on getting first downs; anyway was not promoting PPFD or suggesting we change to it - just thought it was interesting that that was posted this morning).

I don't have any concrete evidence that PPR

does

solve that problem, at least in the draft (see comment about pre-draft rankings). But more importantly to my previous post, if it

did

solve that problem it would be doing so by dragging 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex closer to 2 RB, 3 WR. (Case in point: it's just one year, but for 2017, the top 50 RB/WR at season end would have split exactly 20/30.) That's not really an argument for PPR so much as an argument against Flex.

To reiterate: I am

not

arguing that 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex is bad because non-PPR scoring. I am arguing that it's bad because having the same number of dedicated RB and WR slots doesn't make any sense given what current football schemes mean

for how many playable players there are at each position

. Personally, I also prefer not having the Flex slot because it forces players to consider the positions individually, but that is of course a personal preference, not some objective guideline of how to make fantasy football fun.

I concede that PPR

will

even out the RB1 vs. WR1 comparison. It

might

smooth things out in general, though I haven't seen evidence that backs that up. To take 2017 as an example again, the difference between the 1st and 20th RB in non-PPR was 176.8, vs. 211.8 for PPR; for WR1 vs. WR30, it's 102.8 and 138.5). PPR also weakens QBs even more than they already are (if the relative scoring difference increases for skill positions, then the unchanged relative scoring difference for QBs is worth less in the draft).

As for making Scumleague PPR - I'm not going to change the way we're doing things at this point (a week before our first draft). We can certainly take a vote on it for next year, though currently I'm not sure whether there is a "fairly large contingent" or just a vocal minority.

[mith]

I mean ultimately we're all playing by the same rule set, it's just nice to make the top RBs slightly less OP (which is the main perk of PPR/.5 PPR)

But my Gurley strategy!

See above stats - you would have been even more dominant last year with PPR...

[mith]

By the way, how we picking draft order. What luke gonna do for this mith?

I'll be doing something with Luke on Saturday (probably after his nap, since I'll have to get ready for Auction before his nap). Dunno what yet. I'll have to get a little more creative, since we have different league sizes.

[mith]

You would have been even more dumb-lucky last year?

[mith]

Honestly, I'd be more in favor of 2 RB, 4 WR/TE.

(This is why I don't play Mafia lately. No one reads my posts... )

[mith]

He would probably say "That's OK!"

I think I'll have him give draft picks from his shapes clock to his vehicles this year, and associate vehicles with players. Here's the clock (possibly different colors? I can't picture it right now, but I think the shapes are the same):



And you can claim a vehicle! Here's the list, in no particular order (they are very different sizes!); I will assign the remaining vehicles randomly:

A pickup truck
A school bus
A camper
An airplane
A van
A train engine
A dump truck
A police car
A fire engine
A garbage truck
A monster truck
The truck from Finding Dory

For the 10 team leagues, two vehicles will be unclaimed and we'll just skip those numbers. Let's say if you are in L3 as a dupe you can't pick for that league.

[mith]

(And obviously I will not pick a vehicle for myself. Someone in L1 can pick for me. Not that I have any idea what the kid is going to do with all this.)

[mith]

A pickup truck
A school bus
A camper
An airplane (L1 ?, L2 Penguin, L3 ?)
A van
A train engine
A dump truck
A police car
A fire engine (L1 ?, L2?, L3 Reck)
A garbage truck
A monster truck
The truck from Finding Dory

[mith]

A pickup truck
A school bus
A camper
An airplane (L1 ?, L2 Penguin, L3 ?)
A van
A train engine
A dump truck
A police car
A fire engine (L1 ?, L2?, L3 Reck)
A garbage truck
A monster truck
The truck from Finding Dory (L1 Rob13, L2 TheDominator37, L3 ?)

[mith]

A pickup truck
A school bus (L1 racefan, L2 ?, L3 ?)
A camper
An airplane (L1 Xalxe, L2 Penguin, L3 Snakes)
A van
A train engine (L1 peg, L2 ?, L3 ?)
A dump truck (L1 ?, L2 T-Bone, L3 ?)
A police car (L1 pabs, L2 D3f3nd3r, L3 ?)
A fire engine (L1 ?, L2 Panzer, L3 Reck)
A garbage truck (L1 Nero, L2 ?, L3 ?)
A monster truck (L1 ?, L2 Kmd, L3 ?)
The truck from Finding Dory (L1 Rob13, L2 TheDominator37, L3 ?)

[mith]

A pickup truck
A school bus (L1 racefan, L2 ?, L3 ?)
A camper
An airplane (L1 Xalxe, L2 Penguin, L3 Snakes)
A van (L1 ?, L2 ?, L3 BRO)
A train engine (L1 peg, L2 ?, L3 ?)
A dump truck (L1 ?, L2 T-Bone, L3 ?)
A police car (L1 pabs, L2 D3f3nd3r, L3 ?)
A fire engine (L1 ?, L2 Panzer, L3 Reck)
A garbage truck (L1 Nero, L2 ?, L3 ?)
A monster truck (L1 ?, L2 Kmd, L3 ?)
The truck from Finding Dory (L1 Rob13, L2 TheDominator37, L3 ?)

[mith]

A pickup truck (L1 Jahudo, L2 ?, L3 ?)
A school bus (L1 racefan, L2 ?, L3 ?)
A camper (L1 ?, L2 ?, L3 brassherald)
An airplane (L1 Xalxe, L2 Penguin, L3 Snakes)
A van (L1 ?, L2 ?, L3 BRO)
A train engine (L1 peg, L2 Wraith, L3 ?)
A dump truck (L1 ?, L2 T-Bone, L3 ?)
A police car (L1 pabs, L2 D3f3nd3r, L3 ?)
A fire engine (L1 ?, L2 Panzer, L3 Reck)
A garbage truck (L1 Nero, L2 ?, L3 ?)
A monster truck (L1 ?, L2 Kmd, L3 ?)
The truck from Finding Dory (L1 Rob13, L2 TheDominator37, L3 ?)

[mith]

A pickup truck (L1 Jahudo, L2 ?, L3 ?)
A school bus (L1 racefan, L2 Sharon, L3 ?)
A camper (L1 ?, L2 ?, L3 brassherald)
An airplane (L1 Xalxe, L2 Penguin, L3 Snakes)
A van (L1 ?, L2 ?, L3 BRO)
A train engine (L1 peg, L2 Wraith, L3 entreri)
A dump truck (L1 Talitha, L2 T-Bone, L3 ?)
A police car (L1 pabs, L2 D3f3nd3r, L3 ?)
A fire engine (L1 ?, L2 Panzer, L3 Reck)
A garbage truck (L1 Nero, L2 PokerFace, L3 ?)
A monster truck (L1 Internet Stranger, L2 Kmd, L3 ?)
The truck from Finding Dory (L1 Rob13, L2 TheDominator37, L3 ?)

The monster truck is closest to a hummer?

And Panzer, I didn't miss it:

Let's say if you are in L3 as a dupe you can't pick for that league.

[mith]

L2 is done except for me, someone in L1 please assign me to pickup truck, camper, or van.

L3 is also done for the non-dupes, I'll randomize the dupes shortly.

[mith]

L1 is down to: AGar, Yiley, Rhinox, with camper, van, and fire engine available.

[mith]

A pickup truck (L1 Jahudo, L2 NONE, L3 NONE)
A school bus (L1 racefan, L2 Sharon, L3 peg)
A camper (L1 ?, L2 mith, L3 brassherald)
An airplane (L1 Xalxe, L2 Penguin, L3 Snakes)
A van (L1 ?, L2 NONE, L3 BRO)
A train engine (L1 peg, L2 Wraith, L3 entreri)
A dump truck (L1 Talitha, L2 T-Bone, L3 Nero)
A police car (L1 pabs, L2 D3f3nd3r, L3 NONE)
A fire engine (L1 ?, L2 Panzer, L3 Reck)
A garbage truck (L1 Nero, L2 PokerFace, L3 mith)
A monster truck (L1 Internet Stranger, L2 Kmd, L3 Rob)
The truck from Finding Dory (L1 Rob13, L2 TheDominator37, L3 Panzer)

Randomzed the L3 dupes; Panzer got the Dory truck anyway...

[mith]

Ok, about to film. League 1 randomized to:
AGar - fire engine
Yiley - van
Rhinox - camper

[mith]

[mith]

Spoiler: Results

8 A garbage truck (L1 Nero, L2 PokerFace, L3 mith)
7 A dump truck (L1 Talitha, L2 T-Bone, L3 Nero)
9 A fire engine (L1 AGar, L2 Panzer, L3 Reck)
10 A monster truck (L1 Internet Stranger, L2 Kmd, L3 Rob)
11 A pickup truck (L1 Jahudo, L2 NONE, L3 NONE)
6 A camper (L1 Rhinox, L2 mith, L3 brassherald)
12 The truck from Finding Dory (L1 Rob13, L2 TheDominator37, L3 Panzer)
1 A police car (L1 pabs, L2 D3f3nd3r, L3 NONE)
2 A school bus (L1 racefan, L2 Sharon, L3 peg)
5 An airplane (L1 Xalxe, L2 Penguin, L3 Snakes)
4 A train engine (L1 peg, L2 Wraith, L3 entreri)
3 A van (L1 Yiley, L2 NONE, L3 BRO)

League 1:
pablito
racefan12
Yiley
pickemgenius
Xalxe
Rhinox
Talitha
Nero Cain
AGar
Internet Stranger
Jahudo
Rob13

League 2:
Men Without Helmets (D3f3nd3r)
Ninja Squad (Sharon)
Cultural Marxists (Wraith)
Kuruoshi Pengin (PenguinPower)
Reindeer (mith)
Bone's Bouncy Boners (T-Bone)
Poker's Aces (PokerFace)
Macho Man Coverage (Panzerjager)
Kmd's Raiders (Kmd4390)
David nGOATku (TheDominator37)

League 3:
pickemgenius's Team (pickemgenius)
Bro's tbd team (BROseidon)
Prolicious (entreri)
Snakes on a Plane (Snakes)
Brass's Best (brassherald)
Nero's Neat Team (Nero Cain)
Reindeer (mith)
Get Reckt (xRECKONERx)
Electric Boogaloo (Rob13)
Audio's Nifty Team (Panzerjager)

[mith]

When r we setting a time for the d3 draft?

League 3

Draft will be Saturday (8/25) starting at 3pm Central.

[mith]

Saturday is the only day the non-dupes can all make it. You can autodraft (or we can find another dupe, or drop another dupe and go to 8).

[mith]

I'll give it a couple days to see if we have a replacement dupe that can definitely make the draft, otherwise I'll drop myself and pass commish to someone else. Will wait on putting in schedule until then.

[mith]

We'll just drop to 8, I think. Wife will be happy if I'm not drafting every weekend this year...

[mith]

Ok, dropped L3 and passed commish duties to Nero. Draft order is:

pickemgenius's Team (pickemgenius)
Bro's tbd team (BROseidon)
Prolicious (entreri)
Snakes on a Plane (Snakes)
Brass's Best (brassherald)
Nero's Neat Team (Nero Cain)
Get Reckt (xRECKONERx)
Electric Boogaloo (Rob13)

[mith]

After all the discussion we had about being non-PPR, I realized after the draft that the setting had never been corrected. Apologies for any confusion. I am in a serious baby brain fog right now, between wife not feeling well from being very pregnant and Luke being sick.

Nero, please make sure the settings (roster and scoring) are correct in the other leagues.

(I may have to seriously consider just switching next year so I don’t have to keep track of Yahoo changing things every year.)

[mith]

Ok, dropped L3 and passed commish duties to Nero. Draft order is:

pickemgenius's Team (pickemgenius)
Bro's tbd team (BROseidon)
Prolicious (entreri)
Snakes on a Plane (Snakes)
Brass's Best (brassherald)
Nero's Neat Team (Nero Cain)
Get Reckt (xRECKONERx)
Electric Boogaloo (Rob13)

Wait, that's not the draft order. You used my L1 draft position for L3, but I was much higher up in L3.

You're right, you're just ahead of NONE and DROPPED.

[mith]

Well, I don’t feel bad about forgetting to remove PPR until after the draft, now.

(I think the order you ended up using was based on how it was initially posted - that is, vehicle selection order, ignoring the numbers he picked. So at least it’s random in some sense?)

[mith]

Here was league 2:

Round 1
1. Todd Gurley II (LAR - RB) Men Without ...
2. Le'Veon Bell (Pit - RB) Ninja Squad
3. Antonio Brown (Pit - WR) Cultural Mar...
4. David Johnson (Ari - RB) Kuruoshi Pengin
5. Ezekiel Elliott (Dal - RB) Reindeer
6. Saquon Barkley (NYG - RB) Bone's Bounc...
7. Alvin Kamara (NO - RB) Poker's Aces
8. Odell Beckham Jr. (NYG - WR) Macho Man Co...
9. Kareem Hunt (KC - RB) Kmd's Raiders
10. Leonard Fournette (Jax - RB) David nGOATku
Round 2
1. Melvin Gordon (LAC - RB) David nGOATku
2. DeAndre Hopkins (Hou - WR) Kmd's Raiders
3. Julio Jones (Atl - WR) Macho Man Co...
4. Keenan Allen (LAC - WR) Poker's Aces
5. Michael Thomas (NO - WR) Bone's Bounc...
6. Dalvin Cook (Min - RB) Reindeer
7. Davante Adams (GB - WR) Kuruoshi Pengin
8. A.J. Green (Cin - WR) Cultural Mar...
9. Adam Thielen (Min - WR) Ninja Squad
10. Devonta Freeman (Atl - RB) Men Without ...
Round 3
1. Mike Evans (TB - WR) Men Without ...
2. Travis Kelce (KC - TE) Ninja Squad
3. Jordan Howard (Chi - RB) Cultural Mar...
4. Rob Gronkowski (NE - TE) Kuruoshi Pengin
5. Tyreek Hill (KC - WR) Reindeer
6. Larry Fitzgerald (Ari - WR) Bone's Bounc...
7. Christian McCaffrey (Car - RB) Poker's Aces
8. T.Y. Hilton (Ind - WR) Macho Man Co...
9. Deshaun Watson (Hou - QB) Kmd's Raiders
10. Stefon Diggs (Min - WR) David nGOATku
Round 4
1. JuJu Smith-Schuster (Pit - WR) David nGOATku
2. Jarvis Landry (Cle - WR) Kmd's Raiders
3. Joe Mixon (Cin - RB) Macho Man Co...
4. Amari Cooper (Oak - WR) Poker's Aces
5. Zach Ertz (Phi - TE) Bone's Bounc...
6. Aaron Rodgers (GB - QB) Reindeer
7. Jerick McKinnon (SF - RB) Kuruoshi Pengin
8. Jay Ajayi (Phi - RB) Cultural Mar...
9. Golden Tate (Det - WR) Ninja Squad
10. Doug Baldwin (Sea - WR) Men Without ...
Round 5
1. Demaryius Thomas (Den - WR) Men Without ...
2. Cam Newton (Car - QB) Ninja Squad
3. Russell Wilson (Sea - QB) Cultural Mar...
4. Josh Gordon (Cle - WR) Kuruoshi Pengin
5. LeSean McCoy (Buf - RB) Reindeer
6. Allen Robinson II (Chi - WR) Bone's Bounc...
7. Brandin Cooks (LAR - WR) Poker's Aces
8. Alex Collins (Bal - RB) Macho Man Co...
9. Kenyan Drake (Mia - RB) Kmd's Raiders
10. Marvin Jones Jr. (Det - WR) David nGOATku
Round 6
1. Tom Brady (NE - QB) David nGOATku
2. Mark Ingram (NO - RB) Kmd's Raiders
3. Derrick Henry (Ten - RB) Macho Man Co...
4. Lamar Miller (Hou - RB) Poker's Aces
5. Drew Brees (NO - QB) Bone's Bounc...
6. Chris Hogan (NE - WR) Reindeer
7. Corey Davis (Ten - WR) Kuruoshi Pengin
8. Greg Olsen (Car - TE) Cultural Mar...
9. Dion Lewis (Ten - RB) Ninja Squad
10. Royce Freeman (Den - RB) Men Without ...
Round 7
1. Jimmy Graham (GB - TE) Men Without ...
2. Robert Woods (LAR - WR) Ninja Squad
3. Alshon Jeffery (Phi - WR) Cultural Mar...
4. Matthew Stafford (Det - QB) Kuruoshi Pengin
5. Evan Engram (NYG - TE) Reindeer
6. Rex Burkhead (NE - RB) Bone's Bounc...
7. Kirk Cousins (Min - QB) Poker's Aces
8. Michael Crabtree (Bal - WR) Macho Man Co...
9. Marshawn Lynch (Oak - RB) Kmd's Raiders
10. Marquise Goodwin (SF - WR) David nGOATku
Round 8
1. Cooper Kupp (LAR - WR) David nGOATku
2. Delanie Walker (Ten - TE) Kmd's Raiders
3. Sammy Watkins (KC - WR) Macho Man Co...
4. Jamison Crowder (Was - WR) Poker's Aces
5. Jacksonville (Jax - DEF) Bone's Bounc...
6. Devin Funchess (Car - WR) Reindeer
7. Minnesota (Min - DEF) Kuruoshi Pengin
8. Carson Wentz (Phi - QB) Cultural Mar...
9. Robby Anderson (NYJ - WR) Ninja Squad
10. Will Fuller V (Hou - WR) Men Without ...
Round 9
1. Kerryon Johnson (Det - RB) Men Without ...
2. Pierre Garcon (SF - WR) Ninja Squad
3. Rashaad Penny (Sea - RB) Cultural Mar...
4. Stephen Gostkowski (NE - K) Kuruoshi Pengin
5. Nelson Agholor (Phi - WR) Reindeer
6. Greg Zuerlein (LAR - K) Bone's Bounc...
7. Kyle Rudolph (Min - TE) Poker's Aces
8. Ronald Jones II (TB - RB) Macho Man Co...
9. Jordy Nelson (Oak - WR) Kmd's Raiders
10. Sony Michel (NE - RB) David nGOATku
Round 10
1. David Njoku (Cle - TE) David nGOATku
2. Mike Williams (LAC - WR) Kmd's Raiders
3. Isaiah Crowell (NYJ - RB) Macho Man Co...
4. Los Angeles (LAR - DEF) Poker's Aces
5. Emmanuel Sanders (Den - WR) Bone's Bounc...
6. Tevin Coleman (Atl - RB) Reindeer
7. Jimmy Garoppolo (SF - QB) Kuruoshi Pengin
8. Sterling Shepard (NYG - WR) Cultural Mar...
9. C.J. Anderson (Car - RB) Ninja Squad
10. Matt Ryan (Atl - QB) Men Without ...
Round 11
1. Randall Cobb (GB - WR) Men Without ...
2. Tarik Cohen (Chi - RB) Ninja Squad
3. Trey Burton (Chi - TE) Cultural Mar...
4. Jordan Reed (Was - TE) Kuruoshi Pengin
5. Philadelphia (Phi - DEF) Reindeer
6. Philip Rivers (LAC - QB) Bone's Bounc...
7. Carlos Hyde (Cle - RB) Poker's Aces
8. Jamaal Williams (GB - RB) Macho Man Co...
9. Kelvin Benjamin (Buf - WR) Kmd's Raiders
10. Chris Thompson (Was - RB) David nGOATku
Round 12
1. Andrew Luck (Ind - QB) David nGOATku
2. New Orleans (NO - DEF) Kmd's Raiders
3. Jared Goff (LAR - QB) Macho Man Co...
4. Marcus Mariota (Ten - QB) Poker's Aces
5. George Kittle (SF - TE) Bone's Bounc...
6. Kenny Stills (Mia - WR) Reindeer
7. Aaron Jones (GB - RB) Kuruoshi Pengin
8. Houston (Hou - DEF) Cultural Mar...
9. Baltimore (Bal - DEF) Ninja Squad
10. Ben Roethlisberger (Pit - QB) Men Without ...
Round 13
1. Justin Tucker (Bal - K) Men Without ...
2. Chris Carson (Sea - RB) Ninja Squad
3. Marlon Mack (Ind - RB) Cultural Mar...
4. D.J. Moore (Car - WR) Kuruoshi Pengin
5. DeVante Parker (Mia - WR) Reindeer
6. Duke Johnson Jr. (Cle - RB) Bone's Bounc...
7. Julian Edelman (NE - WR) Poker's Aces
8. Los Angeles (LAC - DEF) Macho Man Co...
9. Peyton Barber (TB - RB) Kmd's Raiders
10. Pittsburgh (Pit - DEF) David nGOATku
Round 14
1. Mike Gesicki (Mia - TE) David nGOATku
2. Patrick Mahomes II (KC - QB) Kmd's Raiders
3. Jack Doyle (Ind - TE) Macho Man Co...
4. Denver (Den - DEF) Poker's Aces
5. Kenny Golladay (Det - WR) Bone's Bounc...
6. Alex Smith (Was - QB) Reindeer
7. Cameron Meredith (NO - WR) Kuruoshi Pengin
8. Allen Hurns (Dal - WR) Cultural Mar...
9. Marqise Lee (Jax - WR) Ninja Squad
10. Bilal Powell (NYJ - RB) Men Without ...
Round 15
1. Tennessee (Ten - DEF) Men Without ...
2. Wil Lutz (NO - K) Ninja Squad
3. Chris Boswell (Pit - K) Cultural Mar...
4. Matt Bryant (Atl - K) Kuruoshi Pengin
5. Dan Bailey (Dal - K) Reindeer
6. Carolina (Car - DEF) Bone's Bounc...
7. Jake Elliott (Phi - K) Poker's Aces
8. Matt Prater (Det - K) Macho Man Co...
9. Brandon McManus (Den - K) Kmd's Raiders
10. J.T. Barrett (NO - QB) David nGOATku

[mith]

#1 pick got best draft in both (though I think I would have gotten that kiss of death if I had changed settings to non-PPR before draft instead of immediately after; it had me with the highest projected total and tied for best record with PP).

Weirdly, their best draft doesn't even agree with their draft grades, which take into account projected record (A- for PP initially projected at 11-2 but third most points; B for D3f3nd3r projected at 8-5 with most points, and me at 10-3 and second most).

Anyway, we're probably all screwed and Panzer will dominate, with his 2-11 projected record.

[mith]

Wtf happened with Brady in draft 2?

He was drafted three spots later than L1? (It just looks worse because L2 is 10 team; but 12th in round 4 is #48, and 1st in round 6 of 10 team is #51). Yahoo thinks L3 drafted him 8 spots early and L2 drafted him 8 spots late. ~shrug~

(I might have taken him in the 5th if I hadn't already gotten Rodgers.)

[mith]

Not as aggressively as Kmd took him in L2... (I had Watson ahead of Brady too, FWIW. It's a running QB league, and Brady is old.)

[mith]

More that Brady was the 5th QB off the table

I wanted to make sure I got Watson so I took him. Mith got Rodgers. Sharon doesn't like Brady and took Cam. So it's just the fact that Wilson got taken over Brady that stands out to me.

And Wilson was the #1 QB last year (I had him ahead of Brady too).

[mith]

I'm in another situation where I seriously protest the 3WR No FLEX setup. I've somehow ended up with the reverse of my expectations and have a powerhouse trio of RBs but I'm unable to use them every week. This is a major handicap to my team.

EDIT:

My point being, if we had a 2/2/1 setup instead of a 3/2 setup I would have started Conner over Matthews and won this matchup hands-down.

And if I didn't have a toddler, maybe I would have been paying more attention and taken Conner first. Boo hoo. If we had a different roster, our teams would probably be totally different.

(Naturally, I have Bell in the Auction league, and once again am out a third of my budget. At least I didn't voodoo Rodgers yet again and he came back in the second half.)

[mith]

I'm in another situation where I seriously protest the 3WR No FLEX setup. I've somehow ended up with the reverse of my expectations and have a powerhouse trio of RBs but I'm unable to use them every week. This is a major handicap to my team.

EDIT:

My point being, if we had a 2/2/1 setup instead of a 3/2 setup I would have started Conner over Matthews and won this matchup hands-down.

And if I didn't have a toddler, maybe I would have been paying more attention and taken Conner first. Boo hoo. If we had a different roster, our teams would probably be totally different.

(Naturally, I have Bell in the Auction league, and once again am out a third of my budget. At least I didn't voodoo Rodgers yet again and he came back in the second half.)

Missing someone on the waiver wire is nowhere near comparable to being mechanically unable to start what I long knew was my optimal lineup because we run an uncommon setup.

It was your optimal lineup in a league with different settings from the league you are in. It was not your optimal lineup in this league. I mean, I would still have a problem with this argument if you hadn't added the "won this matchup hands-down" line, but come on, this is so whiny. Your third WR got 0 points in a 3WR league, and you left your highest scoring player on the bench. It happens.

(And to be clear, this is not me saying my team "deserved" to win or anything like that. It's Fantasy Football. By nature, it's hella random. It's just really weird to complain that you would have done better in a format we are not using, and did not draft for. There would have been different draft decisions in a different format, and if you drafted your team as if you were in a 2-2-1flex league, you made a huge mistake.)

[mith]

Oh that's a fucking cop-out argument. I'm literally saying the setup itself is stupid and arbitrarily constrains everyone's options. It forces people to start clearly inferior players simply because it fixes the extra player as a WR rather than wild.

What you

were

literally saying was that you, personally, were handicapped and that you would have won the matchup hands-down if we had a different roster. That's like complaining that I'm not winning at poker because the table doesn't play with deuces wild.

Preferring the flex roster because you feel 3WR is an arbitrary restraint and less fun is a fine opinion. Other people in this league share that opinion, and we had a whole big discussion about it already in this thread. I happen to disagree, and this is the roster we have used for 15 years now, so at least it shouldn't be coming as a surprise to anyone. (Not that I am opposed to flex positions in general. The local league I ran for a while often had two, and the auction league here is 2-3-1. I don't like 2-2-1, though.)

[mith]

To me, the fundamental problem with PPR is that the production of a given player is already reflected in their yards and touchdowns. A running back with 826 yards and 5 TDs receiving is no more valuable than a running back with 826 yards and 5 TDs rushing in those terms. If there is additional value, it is that it (typically) takes fewer catches (fewer opportunities) to put up stats than rushes (though that simple math does fail to account for opportunities that end up incomplete, risks in passing vs. rushing, clock management, etc.). Anyway, if that additional value does exist, isn't it an argument for the opposite of PPR? (Wouldn't a receiver with 10 catches for 826 yards and 5 TDs be more valuable?)

The other issue, which was already discussed earlier in the thread, is that it's easy to say "look how much more this player I think is awesome is worth if I give him PPR", but the value to a fantasy team is relative to others at the position. Your hypothetical Kamara-who-can't-run is worth about the same in PPR relative to Gurley, for example (basically, Gurley would have been even more of a dominant number 1 last year). Fakamara would of course be drafted higher in PPR than in non-PPR, but at the expense of hypothetical guy-who-can't-catch that put up 826 yards rushing and 5 TDs. PPR does, obviously, enhance the value of certain players, but hurts others, and doesn't do a whole lot to the overall "balance" of the draft (in terms of positions taken and size of tiers) outside maybe shifting WR1s up the overall board.

[mith]

Your problem is that you care about "reflecting on-field value" when that's not why PPR is good.

Context is important. I was responding to Rob's comment about PPR being more representative of how his hypothetical Kamara would benefit the Saints; he was making the case that PPR is better because it reflects on-field value.

If all I cared about was on-field value, I would propose a fantasy football league where we just total up VORP each week or something. (Ok, I would probably actually play in such a league.)

That said, I haven't really seen a good reason *why* PPR is better. It's not better reflecting on-field value; it's not doing as much to balance the draft or relative value within a position as is usually claimed (see below). It raises scores, which I guess is a psychological plus? But scores are relative so I don't care much about that.

Less dominant #1 tho..60 pts vs 80. and the middle of the Board wrs(such as WR 3s) start to be worth as much as RB2s. So if you PPR AND Flex then you get the desire effect of having more wide receivers played and not having to sit your 5th best player cause RB 3 is gonna score as many or more pts as your wr3.

Yes, if you play PPR and Flex then you'll start more WR3s than if you play non-PPR and Flex. And that's fine, it's just that this change is not in a vacuum - for example, QBs are now even less valuable in terms of doing well in fantasy football. (And, of course, you also have more wide receivers played by having 3 WR on the roster instead of a flex. I understand there are other reasons people like Flex, or PPR, or both together. My point is: this is a fine argument for PPR if you are stuck in a 2-2-1 Flex league, which hey, that's standard now so maybe that's why PPR is standard too. There are just other ways to achieve whatever this is trying to achieve; and if you aren't in a Flex league, PPR doesn't do much at all in terms of relative RB and WR values.)

As for dominance within a position, it depends on how you're defining dominant. Last year, Gurley outscored Bell by 62.7 in non-PPR and 41.7 in PPR, so that's an improvement. He outscored #3 by 77.1 in non-PPR (Hunt) and 62.9 in PPR (Kamara), still an improvement. After that, though, the gap is bigger in PPR; 30 points bigger, comparing #1 to #25, for example. I mean, it should be obvious that if you get a lot of yards and TDs, you are more likely to have gotten a lot of completions. It's not a guarantee, but it's a solid trendline. The same is true (moreso) of WRs. The jump is bigger at the top (the top 6 WRs had around 100 catches, while your WR3s maybe averaged 60 or so), so relative to the RBs the top tier WRs are a little more valuable. On the flip side, there is a bigger disparity between getting a top RB/WR and not. So, those who happened to draft Gurley last year (not often in the first round!) were happier if they were in PPR. Those who drafted David Johnson and got stuck starting a replacement player the whole season, not so much. (PPR doesn't expand the number of players who are viable, either. It makes some players more viable and some players less, but the tiers are about the same.)

All of which is a long way of saying: You haven't demonstrated that PPR+Flex is better than non-PPR+3WR. (And I'm not saying I have demonstrated the opposite. It's subjective. I happen to like more valuable QBs and roster constraints and not getting rewarded for 0 yard receptions. But I like Flex positions just fine too - that's why we have one in Auction, where you should almost always have 3RB+3WR starting but hey maybe you really got screwed on RBs like, say, you spent a third of your budget on a holdout, maybe you can find 4 WRs to hold things together until he comes back, if he does. ~fingers crossed~)

[mith]

(I'm not sure why that was scored as a passing TD instead of a rushing TD? [edit]never mind, saw another angle; yeah, it's still dumb[/edit])

Anyway: QBs are not great even in non-PPR. But what you're talking about (getting credit for short passes in the air which go for big gains after the catch) is accounted for (crudely) in QBs getting fewer points per yard (2/5) and TD (2/3) compared to rushing and receiving, and those are likely reasonable on average. (A quick calculation from googling yards-in-the-air stats says Brady's completions were about 55% in the air, FWIW.) There are completions where the QB barely did anything, and there are completions where the QB did everything but catching the perfectly thrown ball.

(Also, if we're basing things on single example plays: How many points should Gurley have gotten there if he had been tackled as soon as he "caught" it? PPR says that's worth .6, which is stupid.)

[mith]

See my edit. I agree it's stupid; and stupider for PPR.

[mith]

It doesn't appear to actually make more RBs startable, though, at least on a season total basis. Some receiving backs get a boost relative to those who don't catch many balls, but the gap between a RB1 and a RB3 or RB4 just gets more extreme. (For a quick and dirty reference point, if you take the top 24 scoring RBs from last year and average their points in each type of league, the number of players reaching half of that mark is 42 in PPR and 41 in non-PPR. The average RB1 is 56 points better in PPR; the average RB2 is 35 points better; RB3, 31 points; RB4, 28 points.)

Now, granted, that doesn't take into account week-to-week "viable" starters, injuries, etc. But I don't see any particular reason to think that those measurements would say anything different. What is likely happening here is you're seeing that there are more RBs that can score ~8 points (or whatever) on a given week, without taking into account that 8 points is less good in PPR than it would be in non-PPR. PPR is actually more akin to rich-get-richer capitalism, not socialism.

(And not more decision points. Different decision points. Probably no less swing, if anything I would expect it to be more swingy based on the increased gaps between top tier players and replacement level.)

[mith]

Fantasy football scores aren't normally distributed, and z-scores don't make sense here anyway. (Thought experiement: say you played in a league where RBs scored 1000 times as many points for everything as they do now. The z-score (vs. whatever mean you have defined) will remain exactly the same for each player. But the RB position is now way more important than any other position - whoever has the best two - three in flex - running backs each week will win. The relevant metric is value over replacement, which I've already discussed - value over replacement changed by a factor of 1000 in this example, while for other positions it remained the same. We also didn't increase the number of playable RBs, other than that they are now totally dominating any flex position. The mediocre running backs are still mediocre relative to their position, whether they are scoring 4 points or 4000.)

I've also already discussed WR vs. RB, and Flex - WR1s get a boost in non-Flex leagues (PPR is not the only way to do this - going to 2RB and 4WR would accomplish the same, for example), and if you have a 2-2-1Flex, and you want more WRs in the Flex spot, then PPR is one way to go (again, not the only way).

[mith]

Yeah, I read that one a while back. The next part in the series touches on some alternatives for accomplishing the goals PPR is trying to accomplish.

[mith]

Fantasy football in general is dumb.

[mith]

I only play PPR Fantasy Rugby.

[mith]

thatsthejoke

[mith]

It's a rolling waiver order (starting with reverse draft order) - it doesn't reset each week based on record. People just move to the bottom whenever they actually get someone off waivers.

[mith]

T-Bone and I have been very close... there was a series there where I was ahead by 0.04, then Hill lost 3 yards to put me behind again, and then Hill got 6 to put me back ahead.

[mith]

Not sure why they didn’t run some clock there. Anyway, T-Bone needs 4 yards from Sanders to win.

[edit]and that will do it, barring a fumble[/edit]

[mith]

No

In case you didn’t get it the first four times... No.

(Didn’t check whether Cook was playing this morning, doh. Too many baby distractions!)

[mith]

Oh, hey, my team showed up this week. Zoe is obviously good luck.

[mith]

This season is bullshit. I'm starting to understand how Mith always feels.

[mith]

I knew growing up that one of our neighbors was a former pro baseball player; I didn’t put together until today that is was Pat Mahomes. Don’t remember when they moved, but if it was after ‘95 I rode my bicycle by a baby Mohames II pretty much every day.

If only this helped my fantasy team.

[mith]

How about next year, anyone who doean’t want to hate my children, I will randomize some other way beforehand (forum dice or whatever).

[mith]

Luke diesn’t even like candy. So his response right now would basically be “mommy should eat it”. (I’m sure this will change in a couple years.)

PP (10th) had the highest score last week. I (9th) had the third highest. Unfortunately, I was playing Poker with second highest. So I’m back in 10th. Grr.

I can still make the playoffs though! I need to win out, I need Wraith to lose out, and I need PP and D3f3nd3r to lose a game or finish with fewer points (currently by 3 and 51 respectively). If Wraith wins a game, I need to outscore him by almost 100 in 3 weeks. I could also catch Poker, T-Bone, or Kmd if one of them loses out and I outscore them by about the same amount.

I play Wraith this week.

[mith]

Comeback underway!

[mith]

At least I didn't lose last week because I slept through inactives Sunday morning. (Rough night. I think I'd had 3 hours of sleep by the time Luke was awake.) I lost because my team is terrible and my bench wouldn't have saved me. (I actually almost played without a QB too - apparently when I looked at my lineup on my phone during the morning games, I accidentally moved Rodgers to the bench, but caught it before GB's game.)

I am rooting for Sharon to win the league with least points scored.

[mith]

I wish I had won one more game. Would have got a bye. I blame Odell and Panzer. At least I get him if I beat KMD, right? There isn't a reseed after the first round, is there?

Playoff Reseeding: Yes

[mith]

Weird how the points for came out this year - Poker and Kmd were top 2 but have to play each other in the wildcard at 7-6; TD37 and T-Bone were next with less than a point difference for the bye at 8-5; and Panzer 5th (less than 15 points behind Poker, the closeness is unusual too) but the 1 seed with a 9-4 record.

And then Sharon in the playoffs with the lowest total, 123 points below Panzer.

Really curious what the EPE rankings look like, but not curious enough to actually find time to do them... (Some really extreme weekly results, including Poker putting up the lowest score of the season, and TD37 and Kmd with the next worst. It wouldn't surprise me if any of the top 5 were at the top of EPE.)

[mith]

Sharron had lowest overall 1224.66 and she did make playoffs so yahoo helped her a lot as she had second easiest schedule overall. Easiest Schedule was Mith with 1218.26

Hey, wait a minute, I generate the schedule, I want credit for getting Sharon in the playoffs.

(It's unusual for the lowest scorers to also have the easiest schedules, though in this case Sharon and I got to play each other twice so that probably helped.)

[mith]

I got less lazy.

Actual
9-4 1357.86 Macho Man Coverage
8-5 1361.48 David nGOATku
8-5 1360.88 Bone's Bouncy Boners
7-6 1372.30 Poker's Aces
7-6 1370.66 Kmd's Raiders
7-6 1224.66 Ninja Squad
6-7 1332.24 Cultural Marxists
5-8 1229.72 Reindeer
4-9 1294.00 Men Without Helmets
4-9 1285.76 Kuruoshi Pengin

EPE
73-44 Poker's Aces
68-49 Bone's Bouncy Bouncers
67-50 David nGOATku
65-52 Kmd's Raiders
59-58 Cultural Marxists
58-59 Macho Man Coverage
58-59 Kuruoshi Pengin
52-65 Men Without Helmets
45-72 Reindeer
40-77 Ninja Squad

WDST
70-47 Poker's Aces
67-50 Kmd's Raiders
62-55 Bone's Bouncy Bouncers
64-53 David nGOATku
59-58 Macho Man Coverage
59-58 Cultural Marxists
55-62 Kuruoshi Pengin
54-63 Men Without Helmets
48-69 Reindeer
47-70 Ninja Squad

[mith]

Poker: WDST is my own "power ranking" metric, which attempts to estimate the expected number of wins on a weekly basis by using the distribution of scores.

As a very simple example, let's say the scores in a given week are 120, 119, 118, 117, 116, 80, 79, 78, 77, 76. The team which scores 116 would get a 5-4 record for EPE; however, because 116 is significantly above the average score for the week, it would get a better result in WDST (around 7.2-1.8). EPE takes into account schedule luck, assuming all the scores remained the same. WDST tries to take into account the luck due to the score distribution itself.

It's not perfect - it assumes the scores will be normally distributed, which is probably not the best assumption in this case. But it's also relatively simple to calculate, so I threw it in whenever I was posting EPE results.

Basically, EPE says you were unlucky with the schedule, based on the actual scores everyone posted and your 7-6 record against the teams actually on your schedule. But you benefited a bit (a much smaller bit) in EPE from the distribution of scores, whereas your score each week vs. a normal distribution with the same mean and stdev would have been slightly less likely to win.

tl;dr mith likes maths

[mith]

I feel like Washington needs to clean house after

this

every season.

[mith]

Do I need to give you two timeout again? [/dadmode]

[mith]

Meanwhile, my team put up the second highest score of the week... while not playing against anyone.

[mith]

I don't disagree, but it's almost certainly easier for them to code this way.

(Also, if everything had gone according to draft day projections, I would have a bye. And the playoffs would be everyone *not* in the actual semi-finals. Man, Yahoo's projections are terrible.)

[mith]

Congratulations to Bro for making it into the L3 finals. I think that regardless of whether he beats me or not he's guaranteed a spot in L1. I'd like to thank Snakes and Auto? for playing and all our dupers for playing in two leagues.

L3 doesn't promote directly to L1 this year (because of the dupes and overall reduced player count). I posted the promotion/relegation order earlier in the thread.