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[PJ.]

Lol this tavern brawl is the worst, but I got my pack and challenge done in like 15 minutes.

Druid op. Draw spells buff spells attack spells and the charge boar otk. It's dumb but it's a free pack and free 60 if you have the challenge.

[PJ.]

Personally i don't see the point of getting mad at Hearthstone, the balance stuff is so shitty that it's hard to get mad at anything but blizzard and their shitty decision to balance things 2 expansions behind.

Honestly....this set is really the first one where I've been legitimately upset at the cards in the new set. We've had like "op one strategy" and that was shitty but at least if you had dust you could either craft that strat or craft one of the side archtypes. This set is really frustrating because there is a must-have class legendary in every class(there are legit like...2 classes you can play the top deck in without having to craft the death knight) plus lich king is in every non-aggro deck and basically replaces ysera.

[PJ.]

Okay they nerf those two cards, and knock druid way down the list, you don't even get enough dust to craft the must-have class orange for the deck you want to switch for, and God forbid you want to play paladin, cause all those decks have 3 or more class oranges in them.

[PJ.]

Pirate warrior or rogue is fine if you have patches (even without southeast captain). Tempo mage is cheap. Everything else needs class legend

[PJ.]

Even if they tune down those cards, the deathknights will still all be must play. They are too big of value.

[PJ.]

I think I'm in the midst of a problem crazy arena run. 6-1 currently, probably gonna finish tomorrow. I'm confident that I can win 2-3 more at the very least.

Sunkeeper Tarim is a hideously op card in arena. Only thing I've yet to beat is a dk. But I think DK's are just free wins in any situation where the other person doesn't also have a DK.

[PJ.]

Should I dust the gold professor putrid I just pulled or just pray secret hunter becomes a thing?

[PJ.]

Honestly if you win you don't have problems crafting things.

I haven't spent any money on HS in years and I have no problem crafting literally any legend I need. I'm sorry you're just bad?

I definitely don't play enough for only winning to be nearly enough.

Also, hard to win of you don't have the materials to do so.

[PJ.]

Prior to KFT, I agree. But like..i'm legit like..6k dust from playing any priest deck. That's a lot of wins. I'm like 3600 out from warlock. Out a bit from warrior. Basically can only play mage, druid, and just crafted the legend for shaman

[PJ.]

A cool thing about Jade is you can play it on both ladders and only change like...1 card.

[PJ.]

Shea, how do you play the jade mirror?

[PJ.]

It's no longer busted

[PJ.]

BGH and MCT?

[PJ.]

Only thing I hate about Arena is how much of it is decided by randomness. Like get a random card type stuff.

[PJ.]

Why not just go hunter and just save gold for the new set and chase the shit out the new strong shit. In 3 months cthun, gadgetzan, and karazan are all rotating.
2x alley cat
2x tracking
2x razormaw
2x golakka crawler
2x hyena
2x animal companion
1x deadly shot
2x eaglehorn bow
2x stitched tracked
2x kill command
2x unleash the hounds
2x hound master
2x infested wolf
1x tundra rhino
2x highmane
2x bonemare

Or one of the gazillion cheap ass variations of that.

And if you like that deck you can eventually get rexxar, have you gotten your free death knight yet?

[PJ.]

Also, do you have 2 primordial glyphs?

[PJ.]

Y

[PJ.]

Why

[PJ.]

Well evolve loses to zoolock and splits with tempo. It also loses to all the "big" decks.

[PJ.]

I have play wep, paly buff girl, rogue 0 cost stuff girl. Seriously considering dusting old stuff for the paly purple that's good and also crafting tarim or w/e

[PJ.]

Not sure if aggro paly gonna be a real thing or not tho

[PJ.]

Right, it's hard to craft any of the paly legends because basically every deck has multi paly class legends. So like...if you don't already have tirion, why craft tarim, and if you don't have those you still need the charge divine shield guy. And control decks us rag. So like...boooo.

[PJ.]

i can't beat dungeon run at all with anything.. i get wom,ped by 7 and 8 every single time

[PJ.]

i have. got to king togwoggle and got blown out in 2 turns. This feels legit impossible.

[PJ.]

Corridor Creeper. Literally doesn't matter what you're playing right now, it should have a corridor creeper in it. Best 5 decks right now are basically pirate package + creeper + leeroy. Like put those like 9 cards in a deck. Select 21 cards that can go around it, hit play and you'll probably have something close to good. And even if you're running like...Dragon priest...take 2 cards out and put in corridor creeper

[PJ.]

Unfortunately for me I never crafted southsea captain and I really don't want to =(.

[PJ.]

Should I craft Tarim and 2 Call To Arms or just never play paladin ever and just craft 2 Southsea captains?

[PJ.]

if you beat it with all 9 classes you get a card back, just like in frozen throne, if you beat arthus with all 9 classes you get Arthus

[PJ.]

I'm up to 4 on ladder right now with big priest and I keep getting crushed what do to hit those last 4 ranks

Corridor creeper?

[PJ.]

Weehaw hit 10, might try for 5, but not really bothered

[PJ.]

Cube lock is definitely the thing I can't beat

[PJ.]

Yeah, I feel that even just teching in spellbreaker might make it a + matchup

[PJ.]

Oh, I meant for aggro. Not for you/big priest. Sorry.

[PJ.]

Druid > Highlander
face hunter > highlander
Dragon priest > highlander

[PJ.]

speaking of dragon, Does dragon Priest have a + matchup against cubelock?

[PJ.]

highlander is ass right now?

I haven't even seen it that often because nobody seems to be playing it

[PJ.]

9 or 10



That's from today and 5 to legend though.

I also find Tempostorm to be incredibly unreliable.

[PJ.]

ok.

i'm not trying to be condescending, just wanted context.

like I'm pretty sure I could rock a win rate of 60% with mono basics at 15 this late in the season. Probably 10 as well tbh.

You are being condescending and you Def couldn't

[PJ.]

Standard is actually really fun right now imo.

What makes a meta game fun for you? I'm typically just happy if there's a couple tier 1-2 aggro decks and/or decks that are low budget, so it never really registers if there's a meta that's more fun or less fun.

for example, I like this meta a lot right now cause I can play basically every class beside Priest and Mage because I have patches and corridor creeper and fill my dailies without really re-rolling.

[PJ.]

wild is the only good game mode. patches is far and away above the power level of anything in standard, but it stacks up well with the power level of wild.

Not enough sites carry info on Wild and as far as I know, most people never run wild, so I just keep playing standard. I think it helps that I kinda don't have the stuff that's tier 1 in wild

[PJ.]

EP pretty much exclusively plays wild iirc.

Yeah, I know, but like sites like HSreplay have 10 times more data on standard then wild

[PJ.]

Dead man's hand is basically the same. Always dead man's hand with a dead man's hand in your hand, preferably also a coldlight oracle. Use your other spells to stop the bad men from killing you, repeat until they have no cards.

[PJ.]

I really need to remember to play around psychic scream if I'm going to hit 5 this month.. =(

[PJ.]

Or not play druid

[PJ.]

Weehaw I hit 5.

[PJ.]

Things that I noticed climbing from 15 to 5 in like 5 days playing almost exclusively aggro druid. Cubelock matchup is not good but it's not nearly as bad as Big priest which felt like I was the mortor and they were the pestle. As long as you played around defile sufficiently and closed the game out before possessed lackey or before a hard cast 3/9 guy it was fine. The Barnes into obsidian dude into the discover revive from big is just oppressive for a swarm deck. Idk if how can check my own personal stats or if I needed a tracker to do that prior to playing, but I rarely lost to anything that wasn't priest or warlock. My deck rolled over against a Murdock paladin this morning, I got outvalued by a secret hunter once, and that was basically it. I think I was undefeated against aggro paladin, tempo rogue was typically too slow to deal with dudes + mark/power, face hunter got nothing (which is why I abandoned it), I feel like I didn't play any druids past 9-10 and the ones I did play were jade and got crushed. Oh I did split with mage. Either they did nothing and got rolled or they got their explosive runes out early enough to stop my wall of dudes then dropped their cheap 5/5 but it wasn't a discouraging match up by any means. Shaman and Warrior don't exist.

Of the priest, highlander was far and away the easiest match up and I only saw it a couple times, spiteful without dragons seemed to come up a bit and that was ezpz(or they just didn't draw their dudes), but the dragon decks with the 3/3 board wipe guy weren't a cake walk but weren't nearly as impossible as big.

Cubelock was probably 40-60. Crushed other warlocks.

I might build the pally deck and mess around cause I'm p sure I can't drop from 5, right?

Tl;Dr: if you're trying to grind today for your golden purple, try aggro druid because it as an even or better match up with everything beside the control warlock decks and big priest and if you have patches it's probably the cheapest deck by far(dust price cheap not like..cheese cheap)

[PJ.]

I just crafted that deck, it's STRONG. it's not as easy to play as druid, imo.

[PJ.]

Are we calling Face Hunter the "aggro" hunter? If so, it's nothing like secret hunter and I think it's the better deck of the two. Unfortunately though I think the best hunter deck might be the pre-Kobolds midrange hunter deck except it replaces kill command with flanking strike.

[PJ.]

But it doesn't matter cause midrange is out classed by tempo rogue and face is outclassed by the druid and paladin aggto decks. The reason Face is not great is kinda the same reason pirate warrior is dead. Face is totally fine to get to 13ish with tho.

[PJ.]

How? I don't mean to sound like shea, but like...put the mans on the ground, punch face. I'm not going to say I can get to 10 with basics or anything, but getting to 15 with any budget aggro deck shouldn't be a problem. After about a week most of the good players are already back past 10.

[PJ.]

What are you playing? What's giving you trouble? Why aren't you winning?

[PJ.]

what does your tempo deck look like?

[PJ.]

Okay, but ~30% of your games are going to be against bad players playing slow decks or decks heavily reliant on proper mulligans. Secret Mage, Dragon Priest, and Control Lock are going to be roughly 1/3rd of your games. Play around their bullshit. Another 14% is gonna be bad players playing highlander and jade. So that's just under half your games against decks that you should just storm through. The only decks with a large market share that are gonna out value you early are tempo rogue and aggro paladin..that's about 15% the res of the decks are just assorted bad stuff

[PJ.]

Zoolock won because kaledesh on 2.

Hunter won because back to back explosive traps and i had no good attacks.

Warrior... I don't remember.

Wait...Question. Are you keeping your 1 drop pirates in your opener/playing them early?

That could be a big part of your problem. You pretty much don't ever want to pull patches from the deck with anything besides the lord.

I see a lot of swashbuckler t1. Like even on guys' like toast stream.

[PJ.]

No not usually, I tend to draw patches too much as well. It depends on what I'm playing against too. Sometimes I trade patches into other zoo decks like the warlock one.

Yeah but if you just dusted things you could win more and get more dust. idk.

I have trouble dusting stuff too. It really depends on what it is. Like there's a lot of purple tech cards, that's like "we'll I'm not playing this now but maybe in the future?". Like Nerubian Reveler.

[PJ.]

ugh..i don't like dusting thos old cards...even though i don't play wild
i'm a digital horder

[PJ.]

But what if I need my chromagus shea.....

[PJ.]

also blowing up cards feels so bad man. especially cause you get such little value for them

[PJ.]

As an aside, hitting 5 everymonth IS like..500 dust....but even if you just hit 10 that's 200, + Brawls(there's been 4 since the new set) that 360 dust. Arena + Dailies should be able to make up the 440 dust p easy for those corridor creepers which are gonna be staples probably the rest of HS, both in standard,until rotation, and in wild.

[PJ.]

"i cant afford to eat, but I do have a collection of vintage beanie babies worth over 5000$"

That's not a one to one comparison.

[PJ.]

I think the only time I complained about cards were the DKs cause the DKs were like mandatory for a while. Like right now I think deck prices are fine? I fine when the Legends to have are neutral. I think that's totally fine. Same with purples.

[PJ.]

Also, hey shea...Thanks, you making me research what each deck cost currently has turned me to the fact that I can play build dragon priest and I did't even know.

I think the only deck that I can't play and would feel comfortable crafting the cards for is the control lock deck, and I think I'm so incredibly far away from it that it would crush my collection to pick up.

[PJ.]

I don't know what the best choice for tavern brawl is this week, but I just went on a limb and submitted 2 smites, 2 mind blast and a holy nova and easily won. So if anyone is having trouble getting their pack, try that.

[PJ.]

Guys....I built Dragon priest and it changed my hearthstone life. Did you guys know that when your opponent plays voidlord, you don't have to scoop? Because I didn't. This is awesome.

[PJ.]

I think shea is right. I think i had it wrong. I think just playing a relatively fast deck while people try to dick around with the theme is actually just way stronger.

[PJ.]

How do I get better at playing mid range decks like dragon priest?

[PJ.]

Is there actually a way to cheat sheet that, or do I just need to spend more time ruminating on what decks actually do and how dragon/tempo/whatever beats it?

Cause as it stands, I can general get into that 5 and under bracket with aggro fairly simply but I have a lot more dtrouble in and ~9 with dragon.

[PJ.]

double nerf to creeper if that's the case.

[PJ.]

If it matters all, Reynad also says patches is broken and has been warping the meta since it dropped.

Patches being busted is kinda why creeper is busted because it enables creeper. I wish they would of tried nerfing patches first then addressing creeper later,

[PJ.]

How was it not? You said the "standard whiners" got patches needed but like...patches is busted in wild too.

[PJ.]

But then on the other hand I just lost 4 in a row and dropped to rank 8 because the only decks on the ladder are control decks that stabilize on turn 5.

[PJ.]

what beats dragon priest? it's the only thing on the ladder

[PJ.]

I'm losing with aggro pally.

[PJ.]

So since aggro is getting the big nerf, can we ban all the stuff that stops aggro on turn 4 and 5 to even the playing field?

[PJ.]

Yes

[PJ.]

Well, even some lack luster cards are likely to see play. We're losing 3 sets.

[PJ.]

Dude paladin seems to be THE paladin too cause murlocs are going away

[PJ.]

I got glinda, countess, dorian, emeriss, and shudderwock. No preorder.

[PJ.]

Did you get all of that with just the pre-order? That's insane. I got Splintergraft, Toki, Emeriss and Prince Liam, all garbage.

Liam is maybe in the aggro paladin. Some Russian guy made legend with it

[PJ.]

Saw a list for spiteful druid that seemed safe to craft considering I had everything beside swift messenger, 1 greedy spirit, and lich king(seems like a safe craft to me, considering everything that curves to 8 runs it basically). Deck seems pretty solid, but also one of those, "all my cards are purple and orange and I'm just gonna out value you at every slot" decks. Casting Ultimate Infestation off a Archivist is just rude tho.

[PJ.]

Grendel #12428. Please unread my last post out of fairness to a newbie so you won't know how to counter literally my only trick.

Combo priest might actually be a real thing tho.

[PJ.]

Right, but you're going to obviously be earning dust, coins, and packs as you play. If you have the base of that deck, you should be able to move into a less budget version of it and it be relatively strong, as it seems to be a "real" deck moving forward.

[PJ.]

Very few people come up with decks, due to there just only being enough support for so many archtypes. You're better of taking an existing archetype and adding in your own little tech than trying to strike paydirt by trying to pave your own path. I think the format that caters more towards trying to find something new is wild, but as a new player you quite simply don't have the resources.

[PJ.]

Right the only expensive cards in the combo priest list I'm seeing is lyra (sp?) And shadow visions. I presume you can do lady in water too

[PJ.]

And the best part of shadow visions is that in all likelihood, you're going to get an entire year of mileage out of them because they fit in basically every priest deck that isn't running spiteful package.

[PJ.]

are we talking about shudderwock?

[PJ.]

What am I supposed to be playing post nerf? Was I supposed to cash in rogue quest? Def don't cash in call, right?

[PJ.]

=(

[PJ.]

Spiteful seems like the thing to not cash in, yeah. And murloc paladin will still use call at 5. And I'm sure some kind of dude deck will come out using call at 5. It's a great card

[PJ.]

?

i'm hearing odd pally best thjing

[PJ.]

I also find metasnapshot to be unreliable

[PJ.]

yeah, cavern dreamer is no joke

[PJ.]

How does it beat shudderwpck?

[PJ.]

Oh bummer, they shortened the rope for this brawl and made it way worse.

[PJ.]

Druid seems to be meta now?

[PJ.]

Play sober than.

[PJ.]

Token druid almost certainly

[PJ.]

opened 48 packs..got like..3 legends i think. pretty shitty haul tbh.

[PJ.]

and alot of the purples were garbage. like the 7/7 does 7 damage if everythign is is 7 or whatever guy. what fucking garbage. Where the good cards at.

did open mecha'thun tho soo...

[PJ.]

I'd play, but probably only standard.

[PJ.]

Not to mention taking power out of prince kaladesh and the warlock 1 cost buff thing.

[PJ.]

the warrior deck is definitely very unfun to play against, and honestly doesn't seem that fun to play

[PJ.]

Bomb warrior crushes the tier 2-3 decks too

[PJ.]

Not all the hunter decks. It beats most of them actually.

[PJ.]

I think both conjurer mage and cyclone mage are fairly simple