Open 741: Red Flag [Endgame]

[RadiantCowbells]

You doin me a sad friend

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VOTE: gamma

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Did you notice my signature?

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That's sad because as like a little mental nudge to myself when I'm being impatient or not explaining reads I say what would Keyser do to myself ever since that game. It was more of a personal thing till I saw you got back and I figured I'd just make it my sig and see who commented.

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You have to read pines death trap it's a legend of a game

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Also <33333

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Would you believe me if I said I was a third party survivor

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I cc jester

VOTE: blackjacks

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I love all of y'all and when I have more time to play this I'll make sure you know it <3

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i think tw slot and keyser slot are svs

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actually nevermind that's stupid

[RadiantCowbells]

idrc about mafia rn and it makes my reads bad.

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Curious to see what happens when the worst meets Radiant Cowbells


P.EDIT I can’t see your font bro (I have the dark background).

Mostly this

[RadiantCowbells]

blackjack/Firebringer are scum together
volxen is town
aster is town
nibbul is town
ceejay +equity town

[RadiantCowbells]

you correctly called blackjack scum in your sole serious scumread of the game then went back to a cutesy memewagon on obvtown

also I'm pretty sure you never make that post about sheeping me as town

If I'm wrong you're welcome to prove me wrong,

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meme men if you force me to effort this game you're dying tomorrow regardless of your alignment. ruru hydra is scum.

and fire you've pushed aster as a meme but you said that you actually thought blackjack was scum by iso. they are scum. Idk what your 'actual read' on anyone is.

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you know if you said that to literally anyone else on that site you would be instantly banned meme men

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"threat of gamethrowing"

don't play to scum wincon if you don't want to be scumread

and don't act like threatening to lynch you if you play pro-scum is the same as accusing someone of being mentally ill because you don't like my posts that stayed entirely in game

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What was your motivation in making this post? The part about warning people about voting. We aren't in lylo, so why would all four scum be inclined to all join the same wagon and quicklynch a townie on day one, when that would potentially bring all four of them under a lot of scrutiny on day two? Especially if the four scum were all the last four voters on the wagon and quickly voted back-to-back to bring the wagon to lynch. In lylo it would make sense for that to happen, but it doesn't make sense for the scumteam to do that on day one. It seems strange to be discouraging voting this early on in the game, especially since voting/pressuring is one way to help the game transition from "RVS" to "serious mode".

this is towny and the only real reason to scumread them is lack of content. it's just a generic bad wagon

[RadiantCowbells]

we're not lynching town because that town happens to not be posting in the game

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towns are bad and at least one push on them (blackjack) is coming from scum

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ruru in our last game started talking on d1 about how it was autolose if she left scum me alive and seriously advocated policy lynching me day one.
this game she's avoided me entirely, has made zero decent content posts, and is shit pushing town.

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then why has she done absolutely nothing this game?

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i will hammer meme men if they reach l-1

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1) she would see it as an imperative to play disruption on me if she were town
2) she has consistently been a power player in her town games and has done little here
3) i think you guys underestimate just how scummy it is that she decided volxen was scum before he posted and stuck with the read after

4) and most importantly she just

feels

scum. and i thought she was obvtown in the game i played with her and i immediately locktowned her both times i spectated town her. she's not hard to read.

[RadiantCowbells]

what games has she not power played?

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there's a billion times more analysis in the early posting in 721 than in what she's done here.

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not just setup analysis? she's stated reads and like made a token effort to give 'reasons' but it's really obviously not the same? i'm not sure where we're not seeing eye to eye

like ruru hydra's posts in this game include 1 3 line post, about 10 2 line posts, and rest are 1 line posts. there's no real analysis of reads in any of those posts, just a couple stated positions

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i think that you're town regardless, just wrong town. and i'm scumreading ruru off tone too.

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proofread

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it's legitimate analysis of what scum vs town would do, something that is entirely absent from your iso.

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You quoted a game that I was in to disprove my townread on him

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IDC how proactive he is, my townreads are rarely wrong and him being more invested in other games doesn't change that

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Possible scum but not a good day one lynch

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Springtrap is going to die before endgame whatever I do, I want to get a flip on scum who wouldn't otherwise die and with all the batshit townreads on ruru, that seems like the one.

What happened to that scumread, Fire?

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I'm avoiding trying to read you.

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Blackjack is scum

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And this isn't a volxen thing, even if he flips scum they are scum

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Itt blackjacks tries to convince their top scumread that they are town

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Volxen I really need you to play this game.

I can't keep you alive if you're going to ignore the game

[RadiantCowbells]

Do it for me <3

[RadiantCowbells]

Volxen town
Aster town
RC town
CJ town

Pinturichio probtown

Gamma ? maybe like 1-2 % points more likely town
Firebringer ?

Who is left

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Nibbul probtown as well

Starting to think it's likely that meme men is scum w/ blackjack and had that fit in defense of them

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Wincon is either 6 conftown or
5 conftown with 1 correct scumread

I think scum shooting each other is actually a surprisingly terrible idea

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I really think your play should be less awful if you're town Keyser

That said I'm not sure if you're scum bad or just off your game from being gone so long

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Meme men, blackjack, keyser, springtrap, clemency, gamma should contain at least 3 scum

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So you said, and before I started having a problem with your playstyle

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You should really play like you used to

You were one of the highlights of this playerlist

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{Aster, pinturrichio} are my strongest townreads

Treat anyone who goes after them after I die as confirmed scum

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I like this product and/or service

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Why not blackjack @ceejay

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Please for the love of God can we lynch blackjack before I forget what it is that I'm seeing rn

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There's an awful pattern in my recent games where I catch scum, the entire town fucks off to vote the juiciest shiniest lynchbait (volxen/springtrap), the slot flips town then a bunch of awful townies turn on me for TMI reads or whatever stupid reason they have to

Gotta steal this pt sorry not sorry nsg

[RadiantCowbells]

Fuck

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For fucks sake can we please just Lynch blackjack my early scumreads have been dead on recently and I don't have the heart to try to strongarm this through right now.

I just want to hit scum before I get killed y'all can do whatever the fuck you want later

[RadiantCowbells]

Springtrap is not charismatic

Coming across awkward points to scum but doesn't confirm it, whereas blackjack is just scum

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I abhor suggesting burden of proficiency but I'm willing to trade myself for blackjack if they flip town if that's what it takes to get this lynch

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What do you want me to do here

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Like I've given reasons, no one cares, everyone just wants to lynch people from least charismatic to most without actually trying to look for scum

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Like all the stupid chibi/Karmeleon scumreads in ball

Or Celeste who was actually super town, or moment

People on MS have absolutely no idea what scum actually looks like so they settle for lynching the weakest players and hoping they'll flip scum

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Like meme men is the best wagon rn but the reasons people are actually on it are so, so questionable

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And like that's fine IDC why people vote if the flip is scum but

This is really demoralizing

[RadiantCowbells]

Do what you want whatever I'm checking out of D1

Feel free to ignore everything I've said when I get shot n1 and write it off as some stupid frame kill

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VOTE: blackjack

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If you think it's worth being a presumed scumpartner to BJ to not vote them, be my guest.

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If scum werr willing to bus blackjack would have had votes by now

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not playing wallpost repartee with you
My reads are better than yours, and I think blackjack is scum. The end.

[RadiantCowbells]

Idk what you want

I've said my piece

Ruru has a scummy as ass iso completely devoid of any town motivated posts it's really not a complicated read. That's the kind of iso you get scumflips off of, not people like Volxen who wouldn't actually be lurking like this if they were scum: their buddies would tell them to post.

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And you say that you can't sheep me because you're 'not townreading me': short of being mod confirmed town what exactly is it that you would townread from me? What's outside of your perception of my scum range? If the answer is nothing then why bring it up

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just want to talk to you and tell you to not get worked up or biased if no one is willing to lynch BJ right now

What happens when scum kill her at night and we lose our free scum lynch?

How did I become probtown from your last readlist to your one of your two strongest townreads?? I did nothing during that time

more thinking about the same posts strengthened the read

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I'm not townreading you

this isn't a good thing.

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pushing scum isn't anti-town.

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You don't want to vote your friend. idc. just stop talking about it. go vote whatever lynchbait catches your fancy and maybe it'll flip scum.

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if doing all these things hasn't gotten scum lynched then not doing these things certainly wouldn't get scum lynched. volxen has done enough to know he's town. i'm doing what it takes to lynch scum and I'm not apologizing for it.

you should be apologizing for defending scum.

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idgaf what you think your reasons are you have no reasons to scumread her she's not town. you're not voting her because she's your friend or you're not voting her because you're bad or whatever reason.

stop talking to me

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mislynching me is acceptable, it's what people do. if you don't vote for blackjack after my flip that's the point where you become a bad player.

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By the way @Nibbui, RC and Ceejay have both played with town!me before, whereas Orfhz and Ruru have not. RC seems to be strong townreading me, Ceejay is either nullreading me or townleaning me, and Ofrhz/Ruru are scumreading me. Does that affect your read of me at all?

It doesn't because I don't like how sly Ceejay has been sounding nor the kind of thought process RC is showing. It's not necessarily a scum read but yeah.

Also I got interested in something, do you think that Radiant hard town read on you is valid and reasonable? Or do you think that it's a early read but it's being beneficial to you right now (and it's hipothetically correct)?

Are you suggesting RC's townread on me might be TMI, i.e. he is scum and *knows* that I am town? Perhaps, but at the moment his townread of me seems genuine, because he is essentially going against the tide and defending me when it is not really the *popular* thing to be doing. Yes I have, as town, received false townreads from scum, but usually that happens when I have already established myself as strong town, and scum will townread me because it's an easy townread for them to justify. Clearly I haven't established myself as strong town in this game (at least not yet), so I don't see scum!RC's motivation in townreading me and defending me at this point in time. If I am town and RC is scum, what is his motivation in trying to get BlackJacks lynched instead of me?

RC is a townread for me at the moment.

What is your experience with RC?

How confident you're that you can read RC intentions as scum?

1) that question goes for you too
2) you've seen me hard read people for far less and been correct about it

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notably people calling me out for tmi reads is one of the single strongest indicators in a game that i am town because as scum i am very careful about having tons of supporting evidence for my reads

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I had him as null with all the anti town shit he did, but that changed with volxen towning it up

what you're essentially saying is that i wasn't good enough to have townread him off of his first post without being tmi scum

[RadiantCowbells]

What was your motivation in making this post? The part about warning people about voting. We aren't in lylo, so why would all four scum be inclined to all join the same wagon and quicklynch a townie on day one, when that would potentially bring all four of them under a lot of scrutiny on day two? Especially if the four scum were all the last four voters on the wagon and quickly voted back-to-back to bring the wagon to lynch. In lylo it would make sense for that to happen, but it doesn't make sense for the scumteam to do that on day one. It seems strange to be discouraging voting this early on in the game, especially since voting/pressuring is one way to help the game transition from "RVS" to "serious mode".

this was in and of itself a lot more town indicative than anyone else is giving it credit for.

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i'm over it man. just be honest with yourself.

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you at least have the dubious advantage of having incorrectly scumread me as the dark wanderer as well so I take it less personally.

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this is really not personal ruru, my dislike of the way that you view mafia is independent of my read on you

i stand by having found you trivially easy to read in most games, if you're actually town here then all you are obligated to do is give this game like a day of solid effort and i'll figure out that you're town and you can shitpost and troll or do whatever the rest of the game. i don't want to mislynch you if you're town but avoiding making posts that you can be read off of and then deflecting from the 1v1 with me is pretty much exactly what scum!you should be doing here and I'm not losing this game to scum!you

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what should I be doing differently right now?

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you're right that i think that lynching you is genuinely +some ev, some of the time. in this setup only two scum lynches are required and i'm super unlikely to get a chance to impact more than one lynch. i'm not sure if you're spinning this strategically or just misunderstanding me as a person, but if you weren't my top scumread i wouldn't be voting you here, ever. and you have an extremely easy time proving yourself as town so i don't think expecting you to actually put in the minimal effort to townfirm yourself is an unreasonable expectation

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i mean i could say the same regarding you policy lynching me to maximize winrate and i think that's several rungs lower on the not maximizing fun ladder than exaggerating pushes to get things through but i don't really want to fight with you and i'm not feeling as good about my read on you so i'd rather we just take a break from each other. sorry if you're town.

UNVOTE:

[RadiantCowbells]

i play to maximize winrate and still believe there are some lines of fun/winrate that you don't cross and i would say policy lynching people because they are good as scum is one of them.
my substitution was spending an inordinate amount of time learning to read e.g. lady lamdadelta so that i can deal with them and i recommend you adopt that strategy instead.
no one really cares if you can successfully lynch a top tier scum by policy lynching them but learning to read them pays dividends.

(also, I didn't policy lynch you)

you even advocating it completely threw me out of the game and made me just want it over. and i'm not so sure if i actually played to win that game if you wouldn't have policy lynched me in the end.

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i don't really play to maximize winrate so much as i play to maximize my personal ability to win games

i would get basically nothing out of a game i won by policy lynching a good scum player besides a feeling of regret that i wasn't good enough to catch them myself.

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to me you're more interested in numbers on a page than what those numbers actually represent.

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VOTE: keyser

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm wrong on at least one {town/not scum} read and he's playing way differently than i'm used to seeing from him.

alternatively we could just lynch springtrap

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notably i cannot read ceejay and my townread there is somewhat lazy

as it stands my reads are

{RC}
{Pinturicchio, Nibbuls, Aster}
{Blackjacks, Volxen}
{ceejay, gamma, clemency, anonygo}
-null line- {firebringer}
then with {keyser, springtrap} as actual scumreads

[RadiantCowbells]

if you're really confident i'm willing to vote with you

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gamma might actually be the missing link scum

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{RC}
{Pinturicchio, Nibbuls, Aster}
{Blackjacks, Volxen}

besides blackjacks who I want to spend more time on don't lynch anyone above this line and you'll end up winning

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I am willing to say there is -at most- one scum in that pool. there is never two, let alone the three required for this to be game losing.
i can cite my recent performances at generating lynchpools, i think there's almost never even one scum in that pool but i'm willing to concede that there might be and you're still never lynching there.

scum are going to come in after i'm dead and weakly demean my game, make appeals to independent play / some sort of egalitarian individual reads bullshit.
lynch anyone who tries to break down the townbloc

why Aster?

is it only because of her posts here or it's some kind of meta read as well?

this game + comparisons to 701 which i had already closeread before this game started.

i can make a case there if absolutely necessary but i'd prefer not to

[RadiantCowbells]

Hi anonygo talk to me about read pls

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in what sense

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prodge don't lunch anyone before I get back

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Actually during the period in the game where I had a coherent direction I was in fact pushing stuff and getting sheeped and if you read the game you'd know that. Aside from that I had a level of detachment towards mafia that I only managed to shrug off literally on the day that y'all hammered springtrap, so that's on me.

Expected to die so rereading before I do anything

[RadiantCowbells]

Mastina is town

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Aster isn't scum so any associatives you have with her are wrong ftr

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What scumteam doesn't kill me last night

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You haven't read my posts beyond the votecount.

[RadiantCowbells]

Hey Mastina

so you claimed that I failed to have enough of an investment to RC effect anything and that's scummy: however if you read the game you would be aware that I did in fact go on Blackjack, I just changed my mind when Ruru actually played the game

you've further claimed that I need to give more supporting evidence for my townread on you, despite the fact that my townread on volxen has existed since the beginning of the game and I've been attacked for it by several people and I find it difficult to believe that you missed that

so you clearly haven't read the game. does that mean I was wrong on Volxen? maybe, maybe not. but I'm not going to defend you if this is what you're going to do today.

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firebringer replaced out because mastina replaced in. he hates her guts.

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VOTE: Keyser soze

this is scum

You should prepare for more disappointment in the future btw.

*she not he please

what does this mean?

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I will hard effort this game just not yet

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its @everyone

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err?

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well that explains why I couldn't figure out the scumteam

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shh

I will bring you salvation in due time ms. anonyghost

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I need to consult the mod, I may need to replace out. Gl town if I do.

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Eh fuck it I would feel bad for what I was gonna do

Was gonna imply out of game knowledge that a specific slot is scum to rxn test them

That said I am fairly sure on 2/4, have a good guess for #3, and have #4 narrowed down to a few people

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Jensen ackles is the hottest guy in the 21st century prove me wrong

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Do you disagree

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VOTE: gamma

Policy Lynch this tasteless hack

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He's pretty cute ngl

I can unvote now

UNVOTE:

We're not lynching gamma today btw

[RadiantCowbells]

If I hammered it was a legit accident

Who is voting you

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Uh if that's true pintu is as well so I may have hammered you

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Ur only being voted by like two people don't scare me like that

Y'all didn't let me get to do shit at eod1 and you lynched town. Let me do my thing today pls ty

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I thought I had pudding

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Looks like someone doesn't like having their cheese moved

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I think Kent and sain is one of the best Hydra account names ever

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I mean he's not better looking by a long shot

But it's not like he said something really stupid like

Jake gyllenhaal

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Don't bother getting a replacement NSG

VOTE: pinturichio

I was gonna hold off and do the big reveal but we can just kill this and save NSG the time and effort of finding a replacement in a time period where replacements are scarce.

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Plus I'd feel bad for whoever replaced in.

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Case when I'm able to computer.

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Would you rather I replace out so you can enjoy this game or whatever

I think you're scum and have thought so since at least last page but I don't want to be the reason you leave so

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I think it can be reasonably stated that I've earned your enmity

The offer is open. I still recommend town lynches your slot in my absence, but if my presence is the biggest problem and you'd stay otherwise I'd rather leave

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I'll give him a few hours to think about it first.

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Plus phone

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this won't be today i'm exhausted and want to go to bed asap

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Pls just slow down and let me case pintu

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I'm going to bed now but like I'm pretty sure pintu spews gamma town so just don't

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I am sorry Penguin but you replaced into the wrong slot.

Spoiler: Ruru read

At the beginning of the game Pintu agrees with Keyser that Ruru was artificially trying to express towntells, so trajectory is initially leaning scum
That randomly 180s based on nothing and he says even if [something that basically makes her scum] is true she's still town, which is a strange thing to say.
Following that at no point is a reason given for her being town: he cites 721 as meta of her not power playing which is utterly incomparable to this game, and argues that her being absent is NAI without arguing for why it makes her town. All he goes off is tone and gut and given that Ruru was completely unlike she had ever played on this site before, that doesn't make sense. As it happens he was right and Ruru was town but how did he know at the time? Also, if he was town and townread her why would he care if he was seen as SvS with her?

You don't want to vote your friend. idc. just stop talking about it. go vote whatever lynchbait catches your fancy and maybe it'll flip scum.

Again, you're underestimating me. What makes you think I'm not voting ruru only because she's my friend? I gave you the reasons why I'm townreading her.

His defense of Ruru the entire game felt like he was just refusing to vote her because of positive personal feelings about her because it literally didn't make sense, but I don't think that's the case. I think it was just a straight up TMI read and Nibbul thought so too but more on that later.

Spoiler: Push on me

When he initially goes onto me the reasons given are as follows:

Why? You got your anti town share pretty high right now. Am I a bad player if I think you could be scum?

Saying things like "if blackjack flips town, lynch me"; clogging the thread with multiposting and whining because no one is following you; defending a player with almost no content to get a read from him whatsoever and giving almost no reasons to why such a strong defense is going on. All those things are anti town.

At no point does he call me scum. At no point does he suggest scum motivation. He explicitly calls me

anti-town

instead of scum. His call outs are for things that are against the 'good little townie' grain but without any reason I'd be doing them as scum, nor does he call me scum at any point, nor anyone else for that matter. Another example:

Without looking at his ISO, I can't recall anything useful coming from Spring, and that's not good. I mean, Clem has done anything either, but at least I remember he has been shitposting all along. Spring? Nothing, not a single thing about him. Usually, I try to focus on a group of players first to see if I can sort them out and leave some slots for lates. I'm only giving Spring a pass 'cause he's one of those "later" players, but in a 4:9 setup, I'm more inclined to believe he's part of the 4 and not the 9.

Never calls anyone scum except very indirectly, and all the things that he calls people out for are strictly anti-town versus scummy. (though lurking can be both at least)

I like volxen's posting right now. I'm now happier with my vote on RC. Include TMI to everything I said before about him.

He then calls me out for a TMI read on Volxen that's essentially no different than his read on Ruru: if he was town who had had that ruru read, why would he scumread my Volxen read? It heavily reads like projecting and he even lampshades that by,

after nibbul points it out

, comparing my actions to his in 725 but more on that later.

Spoiler: Voting/scumread patterns

Let's talk about his Springtrap read which he says extremely little about

One last thing before leaving:
VOTE: Springtrap
I'm townreading Nibbui and trusting you on this, Growlithe.

There are four scumbags here guys, if you town yourself up this should be easy enough, we already have some associations. For example, I have nothing on spookycat, but I'm pretty sure he's scum with Springtrap. So can we lynch Springtrap and confirm my gut? That would obvtown Gamma too

Wait, Keyzer already hammered Springtrap so we'll have more info tomorrow about wagons and stuff.

@ruru spookycat and Aster's reluctancy on going on Springtrap's wagon by voting each other could back up that theory, but I think it's a pretty long shot.

First off: note him explicitly offloading responsibility for his vote onto Firebringer's slot
Second off: calling spookycat scum, but scum WITH springtrap, but not actually being willing to vote spookycat. Also the entire spookycat thing in the first place. Note the 'confirmation' of Gamma town off of a flip that wasn't going to happen.
Third off: does "so we'll have more info tomorrow about wagons and stuff" sound like town talking about someone that they think is going to flip scum?

And talking about pawning off responsibility for his votes:

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Mastina if you're wrong with this, my vote tomorrow will be parked on you. You are misreping the whole blackjack situation so if Gamma is town, I'm expecting you going for me tomorrow instead of the other players you have named and your scumread on me is poor, very poor. Your whole premise is how some players are related to Gamma

If he thinks that Mastina is misrepping and their premise is flawed, why is he voting with them then threatening to vote them the next day?

Spoiler: Why nibbul was killed

Then let's talk about the nightkills ISO because it's actually extremely juicy!

Note that although Clemency was his late day push most of the day phase was spent by Nibbui pushing Pinturichio

Pintu, help me here sort this out, but for me it seems like you really had something against BlackJacks in 185 for their big post, very close to a scum read, however after us debating it a little and not thinking it's a big deal, you say in 233 that you would still townread BlackJacks even if you did believe in their post being made beforehand.

My point is that I kinda don't feel that how you adressed BJ in 185 comes from someone that genuinely believes her to be towny in a general sense.

Am I wrong somewhere?

Pintu, you're kinda getting too defensive with me again...

MEMEMEN might be questioning you about the veracity of your read, however I was questioning your thought process behind your actions, that for now had been your read/discussion on Ruru. That's not the same thing and I would appreciate if you didn't put us together in a little nice box .

About the statement "overconfident ruru = town ruru" I don't know, but what I observed in Ruru's scum game while reading today, was that she was very argumentative and always engaged in discussion opposed to what we've been seeing here: a more non-serious Ruru and not-so-engaged Ruru. I was curious though wondering wheter she could have changed her scum meta but...maybe not...

Well, let's keep going

A few more where that came from

I would say I don't like Pintu defending Ruru this hard when even if you say that you are reading her off tone, she has mostly only memed this game.

Again, also calls him out for the TMI read on Ruruslot

I don't think it's a good theory in this moment though, WIFOM from the get-go usually isn't helpful, right now It doesn't feel like you're Ruru's partner, it just felt a bit unnatural for you to come so strongly in her defense, it remembers a bit of you defending a townie in Jungle Replubic without consenting to any points from the opposite side (I think it was Skitter?). Anyway, I don't know much of your play but I'm feeling a different Pintu than what I saw in Open 720 and am surprised, although I haven't read the game completely.

also calls out the fact that he has explicitly hard white knighted townies as scum before and this game reads a lot like that game from Pintu's side

Yeah, maybe it's that.

I guess I'm just taken aback you sounded for me more similar to Open 725 than Open 720 but it's been 4 months you haven't played at all. Seems reasonable and I hope that if we're town I can get to town read you and work together.

To keep going on with the chat, I might as well say that I to let people talk about themselves.

Pintu, do you think that you're with a different mindset in this game than you were in Open 720?

If it's something you changed consciously, why you did so?

also thinks that this reads a lot more like his scum game, etc

Unfortunately he drops focus on Pintu at some point but never expressed a read change and I feel like these interactions are the reason he got shot

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As for partners

Anonymousghost being one seems really obvious based on the whole having a nickname for her (more communication than what was in this game) and the way he calls her scum but doesn't push them

Gamma/Lolwagons/RC/Blackjack/Aster all town

Mastina prooobably town but not 100%, not going to lynch them though due to the structure of this setup
so 1 or 2 out of 5 of [clemency, keyser, anonyghost, pintu, ceejay] are town with rest scum,

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VOTE: Pinturicchio

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as it happens I'm thinking more and more that Mastina's 50/50 scumpool and the whole half-baked push on me that she didn't make go anywhere was just scum

so like

anonyghost/mastina/pintu/xx? probably ceejay tbh

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i mean i'm not like surprised if she's town ftr

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i guess if anonyghost gets killed we're all still alive to sort out tomorrow anyway

if not she's the de facto lynch so

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ok anony

who do you think scum is?

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like i'm barely going off of your iso, i'm just assuming that associatives that look really svs from pintu's pov are actually svs

if you're town I'll get there at some point if you try to work with me

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did you read my pintu case?

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do you have any comment on anything there besides the associatives with you?

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dunno

like if you're town and are a free lynch that should tell you that scum are fine with gamma getting lynched since no one is trying to push the lynch onto you over him

it's a very good reason for you to vote with me

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how is that a scumslip

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that's clearly not what he meant.

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he wants the game over

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Gamma why would you not vote penguin here

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Can we Lynch penguin and not anonymous

I'm not saying she's town but

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I disagree she's the single most likely scumflip in the game

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If pintu were town someone would have voted them by now

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If anony ends up being town I strongly recommend mastina for last lynch

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There's no indication that he had any specific respect or fear of me

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I will be very sad if aster is scum because she has felt super pure to me all game

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I refuse

If she's scum I shall lynch one of her scumbuddies and then not read the victory flip

Aster will be forever town in my heart

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You're not allowed to tell me or allow me to learn via deductive reason based on your treatment of my aster reads in future games if she's scum

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Can I bus you anony

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That's not a pintu vote

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I disagree

It's not bussing if there's no intent to lynch

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regardless of your AG read do you agree that pintu is scum y/n

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i still don't think that aster is scum ftr

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bedtime will go back to this

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When did I say that you were most likely to flip scum

Or are you putting words in my mouth to justify keeping your scum partner alive?

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I literally said

I don't think you're the single most likely scumflip in the game

Not even sure what you're trying to do rn

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Also anony in that entire set of people why did you vote me?

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I'm trying to lynch scum penguin

If you want me to not think you're scum with him then you should really not be voting me for the opposite of what I said

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@RC - are you still SRing blackjack?
if not when/why the change?

No b/c they started being towny

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i'm more and more questioning whether anonymousghost votes me here to absolutely no end as scum

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This game is like a rash you hold off on going to the doctor for because you know you won’t like the news

Not that I’d know

it's because scum absolutely refuse to bus

They're not even effectively pushing any counterwagons

They just won't vote penguin

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I mean penguins still flipping scum so

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That said that hammer might have been scum anyway

Gamma expressed no interest in the wagon sooner but when it became inevitable he voted and given that I don't think any of the other voters are scum might have been scum trying to get at least one on the wagon

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What's the wagon

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okay hilarious guys

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Ftr I'd be willing to bet that the entire current wagon is town

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Gamma didn't actually lol hammer and he's been on the wagon for a while so

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Wait ttttt is ceejat not Clemency

If there is scum that's the one but still an awful lynch due to red flag rules obv

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Don't ask don't ask don't ask

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Its Sunday night and I'm having a few drinks wanna fight me?

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I think the best solution is mastina/Keyser/Ag

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If their buddies being lynched and they're next on the chopping block anyway, wynaut

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mastina anony

whichever of you doesn't hammer is the lynch tomorrow

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Meh. I'm done catching up.

Was town. Lynch Gamma. RC is probably scum too.

Lol

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If you don't buy it then be a good girl and hammer

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Not sure how much I actually care about this game right now

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That does seem like one, yeah.

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Mastina can I ask you to unvote

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who do you think the scumteam is?

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gamma nothing to say about mastina's vote on you?

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ok?

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do you think mastina is scum?

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VOTE: Gamma Emerald

definitely scum

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thank you nsg!

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For what it's worth pinturichio I interacted with you the way I did D1 because I wanted to be annoying and obnoxious to dissuade people from actually listening to me because I didn't want to lunch blackjack

Sorry that I ruined your game.