Open 741: Red Flag [Endgame]

[Gamma Emerald]

/confirm! ♪

[Gamma Emerald]

hey just to be thorough we should probably confirm our role and alignment right? if you got a "mafia goon" pm please give it a go.

/confirm

But I’m a Mafia Godfather...

[Gamma Emerald]

/CONFIRM

You seem excited. Let’s not stand back from the game shall we? ♪

[Gamma Emerald]

I haven’t done this in a while huh? RQS time!

1. What is your offsite/overall mafia experience?
   
2. What is the most fun role you’ve had to date?
   
3. If you were in LyLo with the person above and below you in the playerlist (wrapping around the top and bottom), with everything being equal, who would you trust?
   
4. What is your favorite animal?

My answers:

1. A lot. I have a few games on my homesite, a ton here, some time on epicmafia from a while ago, a few MU games, face to face modified games with my former Boy Scout troop, and some forays into the homesites of others, mostly ill-fated.
   
2. I personally like Vigilante. I recently actually used Loyal Vigilante in a Normal-esque Mii Theme yo decent effect by killing players who were shady and distracting.
   
3. Well I’ve played with THE MEME MEN and not Blackjacks so THE MEME MEN.
   
4. Hamsters. Though I’m impartial to sea creatures right now. ♪

[Gamma Emerald]

Curious to see what happens when the worst meets Radiant Cowbells


P.EDIT I can’t see your font bro (I have the dark background).

Sorry. Anything lighter wasn’t giving me the creepy blood red I wanted (I’m also using dark theme).

[Gamma Emerald]

Keyser Söze, you missed the actual question 3.

[Gamma Emerald]

Better?

[Gamma Emerald]

Looked better compared to 500000
I might just have to fetch my exact color. That’ll be a pain.

[Gamma Emerald]

Nah I did 700000 there
I’m sticking with 400000, I’d rather keep the integrity of my atmosphere semi-intact
Only way I might change is if I get a good enough specific hexadecimal code.

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s just who I am, darling! ♪

[Gamma Emerald]

If this works I’m using it, if it resembles FF0000 I’m sticking to 400000

[Gamma Emerald]

Seriously

I hate mafBlack’s adaptive coloring
I’ll keep trying but I’m seriously upset

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually nevermind FF0000 is closer anyways

[Gamma Emerald]

Not to much of a big story, I guess. I like FNaF, Springtrap holds a bunch of lore and is one of my favorite animatronics, and being a murderer in a game of Werewolf\Mafia just seems fitting.

Hm, didn’t realize the killer connection, good one! ♪
So, any thoughts on anyone’s alignment?

[Gamma Emerald]

I can atleast tell your good friends from this interaction. Hopefully we can get along as well.

VOTE: Radiant Cowbell

Eh? What’s this mean?

[Gamma Emerald]

As far as I know, game hasn't even started. We are waiting for some confirmations. So I'm not considering anything said before NSG give us the green light

Mhmhm. You really should. ♪

[Gamma Emerald]

RQS analysis later. Be prepared. ♪

[Gamma Emerald]

So, any thoughts on anyone’s alignment?

Unadulterated LAMIST question. I feel Gamma has stepped way too hard on the game-solve gas pedal here (in a unnatural / forced way)

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Nice double standard jackass.

[Gamma Emerald]

God that post by Blackjacks is cringey

[Gamma Emerald]

Alright, here’s my RQS analysis. This is based on tone and how I judge their responses based on what I think they would say, a bit in the Ellibereth style:

Keyser Söze: kinda interesting
Clemency: meh
Pintu:
the worst: meh
Springtrap: very weird, especially the response to 3
ceejay: eh null
MEME MEN: yikes. This one lied about meta with me. That’s a solid scum marker.

vote: THE MEME MEN

[Gamma Emerald]

Apologies for the absence btw, ended up napping inadvertently.

God that post by Blackjacks is cringey

No it isn't. Is it a mafiascum.net tradition to insult somebody's sense of humour on day 1 or something?

No. Why do you not think it’s just a little bit overwrought?

So, any thoughts on anyone’s alignment?

Unadulterated LAMIST question. I feel Gamma has stepped way too hard on the game-solve gas pedal here (in a unnatural / forced way)

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Nice double standard jackass.

“Jackass”?! Ok, accepted.

“Double standard”? Nope.
Your question and my vote are different Mr Gamma.

Im more talking about you voting me for the exact opposite reason of American Presidents. What do you expect from me? And don’t try to talk about “I thought that was the norm” because you know I’ve tryharded as town before (maybe, don’t remember our exact meta).
This doesn’t make you scum btw, it just upsets me.

[Gamma Emerald]

God that post by Blackjacks is cringey

No it isn't. Is it a mafiascum.net tradition to insult somebody's sense of humour on day 1 or something?

I thought it was like
intentionally cringe funny
cringey != bad/unfunny

Maybe. It’s just too drawn out to hit that note for me, it’s just obnoxious to me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey there, I'm an alt of Yuurei/Fumuki if anyone still remembers me

It's nice to meet some people again and hi to everyone I still don't know

that said, both #52 from gamma and #88 from MEMEMAN looks lamist

but I'll go for

VOTE: Aster

Gamma might have sounded lamist, but I think MEMEMAN was even worse in these two posts:

Spoiler:

Curious to see what happens when the worst meets Radiant Cowbells

weird - for 2 players that have been onsite for so long, I would think they'd have bumped into each other

-LH

^ kinda cherrypicking in my opinion

Spoiler:

All this talk about jesters - you guys sure you're in the right game and not in Jester Nightless by Jingle, instead? lol

Also, shouldn't we be careful about who we vote? Because if scum is well coordinated, then after we vote, they could just pile on all 4 as 4 more votes.

^ kinda really lamist if I compare him here to a Micro I saw him playing
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and Aster seemed to realize how the post seemed a bit off here:

Spoiler:

Also, shouldn't we be careful about who we vote? Because if scum is well coordinated, then after we vote, they could just pile on all 4 as 4 more votes.

✓ Statement meant to look townish;
✓ Statement not actually helpful.

However, she didn't change votes or got much interested on MEME MAN even though his posts seems way worse than Gamma's I would say (we can argue about that), and the same can be said to Keyser maybe.



(/confirm by the way NSG)

You say you go by Fumaki? Er, Fukami, uh, Fumuki? Alright. Also you’re Yuurei which is interesting, please stay in the game this time.
Also your post links are broken

edited to fix formatting. -nsg

[Gamma Emerald]

...And I broke the site.

@MOD could you fix that?

[Gamma Emerald]

MEME MEN: yikes. This one lied about meta with me. That’s a solid scum marker.

vote: THE MEME MEN

Where did he lie about meta? I double checked his ISO and didn't see him commenting about meta anywhere

I think Left Head forgot who Gamma is which is pretty weird considering we lynched Gamma in a mini theme. I think Left Head is just having an off day tbh, but I can see why Gamma would call that a lie since it is objectively false.

Gamma, I would never forget you

-rh

Right Head has it right. I think I’ll trust the hydra partner when they say Left Head is out of it.

Unvote

[Gamma Emerald]

You say you go by Fumaki? Er, Fukami, uh, Fumuki? Alright. Also you’re Yuurei which is interesting, please stay in the game this time.
Also your post links are broken

I'll try to stay in the game and about the broken links it can't be helped, I did forget how to use some scripts so I messed up

...And I broke the site.[/color

I almost thought that it was my computer's fault

Right Head has it right. I think I’ll trust the hydra partner when they say Left Head is out of it.

Unvote

By unvoting here you mean that he forgetting about you was the unique reason you voted him? You said you did tryhard as town but doesn't seem to have noticed or get interested in the two suspiscious posts by MEMEMAN?

Yeah that was my reason. I skimmed over that part of your post, because I was just like “hm they’re scumreading MEME MEN too, that’s nice
I’ll look it over

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah that was my reason. I skimmed over that part of your post, because I was just like “hm they’re scumreading MEME MEN too, that’s nice
I’ll look it over

I don't want to cherrypick and I we can accidentaly skip over the details sometimes but look how it sounds for me:

You said you were actually scum reading MEMEMAN but skipped over two of his posts (when normally we would analyse better someone's posts when we suspect them), and as people were suspecting MEMEMAN because of those posts, if you didn't know what posts they were talking about, you simply wasn't wondering other people intentions or motives for scumreading MEMEMAN, and that means a non-town behavior

can you help me sort out if I'm wrong here?

I didn’t skip his posts, I skipped your analysis of those. Otherwise your analysis was right, you just have the wrong motivation. I was trying to put out my RQS conclusions and didn’t want to delay it, lus general laziness.

[Gamma Emerald]

wtf? why did the duck leave?

I mean blah blah don't comment on replacements but I mean on a personal level that's concerning, I hope he's ok 0.o

-rh

Yeah that’s weird.

yikes. This one lied about meta with me. That’s a solid scum marker.

I'm well aware of that, and was waiting to see when you would notice.
GE is likely town due to his reaction. Yes, I do remember playing with you. You even fake claimed this bus driver role with parity cop fake claim from mariar. Too funny

-LH

Ah thanks. I’d probably call that out as either alignment? Is there a different reason that is town?

[Gamma Emerald]

No. Why do you not think it’s just a little bit overwrought?

I think it was funny and it made literally laugh out loud. It appears we have different senses of humour.

Anyway, Blackjacks clearly put a nonzero amount of effort in composing his post. It is pretty dishearthening to have two players immediately call you "cringey" when you tried to put some effort into making a joke.

I guess that’s fair, sorry.

I didn’t skip his posts, I skipped your analysis of those. Otherwise your analysis was right, you just have the wrong motivation. I was trying to put out my RQS conclusions and didn’t want to delay it, lus general laziness.

then if you didn't skip his posts and was only voting him for not remembering you, does it mean you have no problems with his posts?

Not really. But as I said I’m going to look at what you said again and see if that’s something I agree with.
Also I noticed talking about calling people LAMIST without voting to see how they’d respond so I’ll respond to my accusation of that by saying that’s a fair statement, but it was an earnest question I asked.

[Gamma Emerald]

Im more talking about you voting me for the exact opposite reason of American Presidents. What do you expect from me? And don’t try to talk about “I thought that was the norm” because you know I’ve tryharded as town before (maybe, don’t remember our exact meta).
This doesn’t make you scum btw, it just upsets me.

Interesting mention RE: American Presidents. Perhaps it would have been more strategic for scum-Gamma coming into this game imitating the ‘lack of drive’ demonstrated by town-Gamma in that game. I did not mean to upset you, my paranoia-feels are real and I wanted to call it out:
- also echoed by your subsequent RQS analysis

What is echoed by that analysis?

[Gamma Emerald]

RE: RQS:

Alright, here’s my RQS analysis. This is based on tone and how I judge their responses based on what I think they would say, a bit in the Ellibereth style:

Keyser Söze: kinda interesting
Clemency: meh
Pintu:
the worst: meh
Springtrap: very weird, especially the response to 3
ceejay: eh null
MEME MEN: yikes. This one lied about meta with me. That’s a solid scum marker.

vote: THE MEME MEN

Please can you share why the “interesting”/“weird” items are interesting to you.

[I feel like these are forced reads again ]

Oh, I forgot to fill in Pintu’s spot
I think he’s town mostly for his answer to the third question.
As for the interesting items, they’re things that could mean something but I don’t know what when doing the initial analysis.

[Gamma Emerald]

This game feels inactive. Is it just me?

[Gamma Emerald]

This game feels inactive. Is it just me?

Stop cringing at people's psots then

That’s making you not participate why...?

[Gamma Emerald]

By the way, I skipped the first discussion 'cause it seemed too early to be serious, but I'll read it now since, as I understand, it was serious for some players.

In other news, I didn't like BJs' entrance. The post was fine, I laughed, but seems like it was prepared before the game started. My problema with that is that it was a huge post and it's obvious that took a lot of effort. I tend to scumread people who puts that much of an effort on RVS; preparing a post before the game starts is past that line. Does someone else has another point of view about this?

Wouldn't it make more sense to call Gamma out for the RQS post for being pretty big and before the game even started? He put more effort in, IMO.

You're right. Problem is, I'm absolutely baffled by Gamma at this point; I've never seen him put that much effort in any game I've been with him before, and I've seen him as VT, town PR and scum, so I don't know what to say about his effort in here.

Eh wot
Pretty sure I put significant effort in during the Tit For Tat we were in

[Gamma Emerald]

The Unforgettable Gamma Emerald: Gamma Emerald

Spoiler:

Eh? What’s this about? What’s the relationship between me and that gif to you?

[Gamma Emerald]

What’s the relationship between me and that gif to you?

It's there to INFURIATE YOU into a SEETHING RAGE since your avatar is not in fact Link from the Zelda franchise

-rh

Mhmmm
Well you’d be well served to make it less obtuse.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma
Are you comfortable with MEME’s town read of you?

I wasn’t aware that was a townread, seemed more like a jab with no real thoughts on my alignment?

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s shallow but I don’t see anything wrong with it beyond that.

[Gamma Emerald]

Just spitball ok? Say what you think describes it in the moment

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey there, I'm an alt of Yuurei/Fumuki if anyone still remembers me

It's nice to meet some people again and hi to everyone I still don't know

that said, both #52 from gamma and #88 from MEMEMAN looks lamist

but I'll go for

VOTE: Aster

Gamma might have sounded lamist, but I think MEMEMAN was even worse in these two posts:

Spoiler:

Curious to see what happens when the worst meets Radiant Cowbells

weird - for 2 players that have been onsite for so long, I would think they'd have bumped into each other

-LH

^ kinda cherrypicking in my opinion

Spoiler:

All this talk about jesters - you guys sure you're in the right game and not in Jester Nightless by Jingle, instead? lol

Also, shouldn't we be careful about who we vote? Because if scum is well coordinated, then after we vote, they could just pile on all 4 as 4 more votes.

^ kinda really lamist if I compare him here to a Micro I saw him playing
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and Aster seemed to realize how the post seemed a bit off here:

Spoiler:

Also, shouldn't we be careful about who we vote? Because if scum is well coordinated, then after we vote, they could just pile on all 4 as 4 more votes.

✓ Statement meant to look townish;
✓ Statement not actually helpful.

However, she didn't change votes or got much interested on MEME MAN even though his posts seems way worse than Gamma's I would say (we can argue about that), and the same can be said to Keyser maybe.



(/confirm by the way NSG)[/quote]

Dont recall doing this yet so:
The point against MEME MEN wrt cherrypicking, I don’t really see it. What is that being cherrypicked out of? As for the LAMIST post, yeah what was already said is fair, I’d consider giving MEME MEN a pass if new but they’re probably not new.

[Gamma Emerald]

it broke again
Idk what the heck you did Nibbui but both times I quoted your post it broke things

[Gamma Emerald]

I have the power of god an anime by my side

Thank you. ♪

[Gamma Emerald]

pedit: ok calling them bland answers is a little insulting. "regular answers," then

-LH

Pintu’s #3 was interesting.

[Gamma Emerald]

THE MEME MEN's answers

It took LH@THE MEME MEN almost two days to answer my questions, and what did we get out of it?

A glorious exercise in beating-around-the-bush

. Let me walk you through his post.

I dont do rvs anymore, i personally jump straight to business like james doakes and penguinpower do.

✓ Statement does not answer the question.

THE MEME MEN told us to be careful voting during RVS, so I asked him whether he thought RVS was bad. "I don't RVS myself" does not answer the question, which clearly intended to ask whether he thought RVS shouldn't happen at all; what does he think about other players RVSing?

players using words when they're sure, or not using words - it depends on the context like what they're trying to attain - whether reaction testing or whatever

✓ Skips one question.
✓ Doesn't answer the other.

The main question was whether players shouldn't vote lightly. A subquestion asked about the alternative of "using only words without voting". Yet he answers like the question was "Are words bad?"

look at Herebus with the 14 player large normal, moderated by Krazy. that had 4 scum.

✓ Cites anecdotal evidence.
✓ Cited evidence does not support his point.

Herebus day one had only two out of four scum on the lynchwagon, which is completely average since over half the town was on the lynchwagon. If anything, Herebus demonstrates that the scum will not collectively jump on the lynchwagon merely because they can.

Yes, they did collectively jump on the lynchwagon at LyLo, and that's completely beyond the point. Of course mafia would collectively quickhammer a LyLo wagon when they can. The real issue is about whether mafia will try to collectively quickhammer during early game.

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Going Deeper

There is something about these answers. It seems that THE MEME MEN are unwilling to answer questions with "yes" or "no" and are instead trying to write something that resembles an answer but actually isn't. I get the impression that they hope my questions will just disappear, which is further corroborated by LH taking his sweet time to answer my questions while RH avoided looking like a lurker; he could've been trying to just stall things hoping town's attention shifts elsewhere in the meanwhile.

Now, if THE MEME MEN were town, why do they need to avoid answering questions? If he believed in his opinions, he could've confidently presented them; they weren't scum opinions at any rate. Alternatively he could have realized and admitted that although he hadn't thought things through, he made his suggestion in good faith.

On the other hand, if THE MEME MAN is scum, this behaviour makes a whole lotta sense. He clearly cannot confidently present his opinion because he knows it is a scum opinion and/or doesn't even believe it himself. He can't find another presentable opinion that doesn't make him look stupid. He doesn't admit that he hadn't thought things through because I said earlier that I expected town to crusade that his opinion is right, and certainly he doesn't want to look like folding scum. Stuck with a no-win situation, he tries to make things go away by stalling and beating around the bush.

Tl;dr:

THE MEME MEN opened the game with a LAMIST suggestion. I think his suggestion was unlikely to have been made in good faith. THE MEME MEN are scared to talk about their opinions leading to their suggestion.

VOTE: THE MEME MEN

God this was amazing. This is the good side of wallposting.

Vote: THE MEME MEN

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok let's try this again, since it's starting to look like a death tunnel from scum.

Glad you're responding. Can you please answer the following questions?

Do you know what RVS is?

yes, a stage where many players claim to joke vote . Yet the votes get counted

Do you think RVS is a bad thing?

bad as in people making joke votes then later complaining about fluff posting or inactivity - then yes it's bad

Is it a bad thing for players to generally have votes standing to indicate who they are most suspicious of, or to exert pressure?

nope. Why would you ask this question?

Would it be better if players only used words to communicate and only placed their votes when they were sure they wanted a lynch?

if only words or votes, sure, votes would be better

Do you believe mafia will actually try to collectively quicklynch a bandwagon provided they can get three townie votes?

yes, and the post should've been clear as day. ceejay understood it, for instance

Beginning to disagree with RH's tr of you. We'll get together later to discuss.

The way aster is projecting what HE did in a past game onto us, looks scummy. Anyone see the micro game with okapoka and saudade scum? Aster resembling the former.

-LH

What, DDU? That’s a very strange mention I feel. Also gives a significant pointer of who you might be. Also I don’t really see any projecting.

[Gamma Emerald]

What, DDU? That’s a very strange mention I feel. Also gives a significant pointer of who you might be. Also I don’t really see any projecting.

What's ddu? And I spectate games every now and then, so there's that.

-LH

double day unlimited
And ok

ACTIVITY Praise The Lord

What I meant is that your tone is completely different here. You are leading conversations, when you usually go for the one liner. You're using exclamation points, when you usually don't. No matter how much you contribute, it always feels like you stay on the fence; I'm not feeling that here. I think you've deliberately changed your playstyle in here so you could not be read by meta. I don't know what to think about that, since I don't think that's a thing that only scum would do.

Interesting... @Gamma would you say you have consciously made an effort to change your style/aura this game?

I guess I inadvertently did? I believe I have the most posts right now which is generally an anomaly for me. So I guess overall I’m taking a more proactive approach this game.
I’ll definitely return to this game when working on improving town meta, as the things Pintu said are things that I feel are good.

[Gamma Emerald]

@nibbui or anyone else: if I don't answer your questions , I may not have seen them. Or I just don't answer them because I find them irrelevant , and I do this as any alignment.
In terms of saying I'm self destructive, as town I'm not self destructive - as thor & perf say , don't be self destructive when town!

-LH

It's not so much as that you "don't answer the question at all" as it's that you answer, but your answer kinda only answers half or superficially what the question asked about usually.

by the way, you might have missed a new question from me:

Ah thanks. I’d probably call that out as either alignment? Is there a different reason that is town?

just your tone of your reply.
-LH

It might be a bit hard to explain but what part exactly of the tone you think was towny? and what kind of reaction you think he would have as scum?

I would appreciate if you could answer this.

Try to answer a bit more elaborated for us to get inside your head.

Tone is tone. No other elaboration. That's an old tr of mine though.

reevaluating ever since GE sheeped aster read for voting us, plus he's sounding like he was in the most recent scum game I found for him from NY 213.

-LH

Mmm Mmm Yum, tasty read pivoting.

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler alert next time? : P
Not like I really care. I never played Undertale and I know the plot and such.

[Gamma Emerald]

aster you're really messing the vibe firebringer and i got going

aster the disaster.

I very much dislike the case on me, but all I’ve been able to pick out for why comes back to OMGUS.

[Gamma Emerald]

blackjack/Firebringer are scum together
volxen is town
aster is town
nibbul is town
ceejay +equity town

why do u think i am scum?

you correctly called blackjack scum in your sole serious scumread of the game then went back to a cutesy memewagon on obvtown

also I'm pretty sure you never make that post about sheeping me as town

If I'm wrong you're welcome to prove me wrong,

I know some of you don't know RC that well

but this is scum RC

the only other explanation is that he started using drugs

RC, IF YOU HAVE TAKEN UP DRUGS, SEEK AN INTERVENTION NOW

-rh

WHAT.

[Gamma Emerald]

is this red text going to be a thing all game?

It’s called Red Flag. ♪

[Gamma Emerald]

First things first. There seems to be some rumour circulating that "Aster" means "Disaster". I wish to clarify that the rumours are entirely false. In fact, they are quite the

opposite

of the truth.

The prefix "dis-" is from Latin origin that is used to express a negative or opposite [1]. Examples are "disassemble" being the opposite of "assemble" and "distrust" being the opposite of "trust". As such, "disaster" or Dis-Aster, is the

opposite

of "Aster". Using the laws of logic, it follows that Aster is the

opposite

of Disaster.

The name "Aster" ought to be associated with things like blessing and salvation, or in mafia context, perfect victories.

Any further questions?

Not sure if serious
Or just fucking with people.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I would expect to be catching more attention for one of my recent posts.

[Gamma Emerald]

Does no one want to engage me even when I provide a general reason to?
What a welcoming bunch.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm avoiding trying to read you.

Wait what? Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

okay fine, I can't sleep, I'll bite

(even though you were mean to me)

what was 549 about?

Thought more people would poke me for admitting to being OMGUSy.

[Gamma Emerald]

No, but I figured there might’ve been someone who felt that way (probably a newbie) or someone who found it interesting enough to poke at.

[Gamma Emerald]

is it >rand scum to do something that some people

[who?]

consider a scumtell and have nobody complain about it?

probably, right

You’re using the fancy formatting now why? I’m preeeetty sure there were perfectly good chances earlier. Also are you accusing of making an Unsupported Statement? Because while there’s multiple ways I could deconstruct that if you were the most impactful imo is that the fact it’s a generic piece of theory, no matter how poor it is, makes that a Supported Statement¹.
And before I even start debating with what you’re probably saying, that looks oddly phrased. That’s making it out that no one responding is scummy, which puts the way in which the read is formed on players othEr than the one being read, which while acceptable in partner speculation and the like, I cannot let go unchallenged in a scenario where there is no explicitly relevant tie to be made.

¹This argument proudly sponsored by ASSLUST.

[Gamma Emerald]

Are you gonna seriously just stonewall me when I’m trying to have a real discussion

[Gamma Emerald]

even if he flips scum they are scum

words of wisdom here

...explain what you’re getting at. It’s possible you are confused.

[Gamma Emerald]

On volxen, I think his absence is shady but not damning.

[Gamma Emerald]

Keyser, I only poked at with-me interactions where you listed them because I felt I’d sunk out of the conversation along with the pre-established feeling like that post should have gotten some attention.

[Gamma Emerald]

Keyser, I only poked at with-me interactions where you listed them because I felt I’d sunk out of the conversation along with the pre-established feeling like that post should have gotten some attention.

Catching up with the thread I think I may have miss-read your soft/victim/vulnerable vibe

Explain when and why you got that vibe? I don’t feel like I’ve been playing that way at all.

[Gamma Emerald]

Catching up with the thread I think I may have miss-read your soft/victim/vulnerable vibe

Explain when and why you got that vibe? I don’t feel like I’ve been playing that way at all.

Really?

Sensitive overreaction/sensitive:

"Nice double standard jackass"
"it just upsets me."
"What a welcoming bunch."

Self-focus softness:

"What do you expect from me?"
"Pretty sure I put significant effort in during the Tit For Tat we were in"
"Eh? What’s this about? What’s the relationship between me and that gif to you?"
"I very much dislike the case on me, but all I’ve been able to pick out for why comes back to OMGUS."
"Explain when and why you got that vibe? I don’t feel like I’ve been playing that way at all."

( )

Why be on the defensive foot?:

"Also I would expect to be catching more attention for one of my recent posts."
"Does no one want to engage me even when I provide a general reason to?"
"Thought more people would poke me for admitting to being OMGUSy."

I presume this one was not serious though (?):

Are you gonna seriously just stonewall me when I’m trying to have a real discussion

Some of these just don't make sense. How is me saying I thought something I said would provoke people be defensive? I'm also gonna need an explanation for self-focus softness, because that doesn't really mean anything yet, it's just gibberish. And what? You think my post where I said I was trying to have real discussion was NOT serious? This reads extreeeeeemely fake and crammed into a narrative but I get the feeling this is from ignorance, not malice.

[Gamma Emerald]

Take a step back and calm down.

"You think my post where I said I was trying to have real discussion was NOT serious?"

I'm reading your ISO, and this post was just after your "1This argument proudly sponsored by ASSLUST." post. I may have just miss-read your tone here. I missed the part where BJ called you cringey. (i'm still in catchup mode).


RE:

"self-focus softness"

You cannot disagree that you have been overly-focused on yourself this game. Yes, I asked you to look at your meta, but outside this, you have been talking about yourself a lot.

I am trying to understand your self-consciousness

. Do not call it "gibberish". If you are not willing to understand my opinion, why ask me to explain it?

The ASSLUST thing was a reference to Ectomancer's signature. That was a funny aside in an otherwise serous comment.
As for the "self-focus softness", why not just call it self-consciousness? The way you phrased it sounded like some nonsense that was different from what you were saying. As for the actual question, I sometimes try to use interactions with myself to read others. Others do it too with undefined (because I haven't gotten an answer from them or checked myself) success rates, but generally I find the results unimpressive when it comes to getting townread. However, I think it's fair at actually getting reads. And honestly, getting scumread might be better than getting townread in a perverse way as town for this specific setup.

[Gamma Emerald]

The ASSLUST thing was a reference to Ectomancer's signature. That was a funny aside in an otherwise serous comment.
As for the "self-focus softness", why not just call it self-consciousness? The way you phrased it sounded like some nonsense that was different from what you were saying. As for the actual question, I sometimes try to use interactions with myself to read others. Others do it too with undefined (because I haven't gotten an answer from them or checked myself) success rates, but generally I find the results unimpressive when it comes to getting townread. However, I think it's fair at actually getting reads. And honestly, getting scumread might be better than getting townread in a perverse way as town for this specific setup.

"The way you phrased it sounded like some nonsense"

- I use adjectives to best describe/encapsulate my fear/paranoia.

"I sometimes try to use interactions with myself to read others"

- ok, I can buy that. I sometimes do that myself

Second point: got it
first point: Okay. It just ended up as Purple Prose that time.

[Gamma Emerald]

Where does the mockery begin and the seriousness end
Though on a serious note, are you really having a meta change Keyser? I don't really meta you anyways but that would be interesting.

[Gamma Emerald]

Where does the mockery begin and the seriousness end
Though on a serious note, are you really having a meta change Keyser? I don't really meta you anyways but that would be interesting.

I think mafiascum killed me two years ago. Came back this year (after some off-site mafia therapy) beginning to realise how to start enjoying the game.

I remember playing you in Hogwarts Mafia, you were the greatest townread and got n1ed.

[Gamma Emerald]

Where does the mockery begin and the seriousness end
Though on a serious note, are you really having a meta change Keyser? I don't really meta you anyways but that would be interesting.

I think mafiascum killed me two years ago. Came back this year (after some off-site mafia therapy) beginning to realise how to start enjoying the game.

I remember playing you in Hogwarts Mafia, you were the greatest townread and got n1ed.

My game was limited back then because I realised I was subconsciously more overly-concerned with being town-read then solving the game. Now I've released the shackles.
Enough of this masturbation though

That explains that. Yeah, I think we've taken this side path down as far as it can go.

[Gamma Emerald]

Please for the love of God can we lynch blackjack before I forget what it is that I'm seeing rn

Well I had my own reasons and already forgot what they were

[Gamma Emerald]

if doing all these things hasn't gotten scum lynched then not doing these things certainly wouldn't get scum lynched. volxen has done enough to know he's town. i'm doing what it takes to lynch scum and I'm not apologizing for it.

you should be apologizing for defending scum.

At this point you’re just talking in gibberish. The first sentence makes no sense.

[Gamma Emerald]

....
-_-

[Gamma Emerald]

Guess I'll become a counterwagon and

a decent lynch

of I dont do something.

VOTE: Blackjacks

Wut

[Gamma Emerald]

This mentioning of policing lynching is making me tune out the game
I agree that lynching the scummiest person is smartest

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: keyser

Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

i'm wrong on at least one {town/not scum} read and he's playing way differently than i'm used to seeing from him.

alternatively we could just lynch springtrap

What are your reads?

[Gamma Emerald]

...fuck.

[Gamma Emerald]

notably i cannot read ceejay and my townread there is somewhat lazy

as it stands my reads are

{RC}
{Pinturicchio, Nibbuls, Aster}
{Blackjacks, Volxen}
{ceejay, gamma, clemency, anonygo}
-null line- {firebringer}
then with {keyser, springtrap} as actual scumreads

I kinda felt like you’d have more scumreads?

[Gamma Emerald]

You talk about how you’d be wrong on one, makes me think you have an idea of 3-4 scum but don’t think they all work together as a team or something.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Aster have you played with RC before?

Nope. Actually, I haven't played with anyone here. (At best I've modded one game played by Gamma Emerald and spectated part of another game of his.)

Which game did you spectate?

[Gamma Emerald]

How would you say those affect your reason me?

[Gamma Emerald]

Lol I always silently judge as a mod
If people take issue with that that’s their problem, it’s entirely within my right to use any meta I have
I’ve actually done this with at least one person tangibly

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey I mod okay, plus if you don’t like it plenty of other people who have no issue with my philosophy will join my games

[Gamma Emerald]

So are we lynching our actual scumreads or just nullreads

[Gamma Emerald]

So are we lynching our actual scumreads or just nullreads

it depends. are you?

I'm kinda checked out rn because it looks like people are doing the latter

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't, that's why I'm asking
I don't like the way you're asking these questions btw

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: AnonymousGhost
I actually think I'm gonna trust my gut here. The way they poked at me felt like they were trying to make me look bad.

[Gamma Emerald]

oh and my vote was already there, how delightful
that increases the scumminess of what they've been doing

[Gamma Emerald]

Damage is done, you're not changing my mind about how that interaction went down

[Gamma Emerald]

you sounded like you were trying to defend the way you were interacting with me

[Gamma Emerald]

I didn't feel attacked in any sense outside of the game fyi

[Gamma Emerald]

its a cat

[Gamma Emerald]

Wagonomics

[Gamma Emerald]

There are four scumbags here guys, if you town yourself up this should be easy enough, we already have some associations. For example, I have nothing on spookycat, but I'm pretty sure he's scum with Springtrap. So can we lynch Springtrap and confirm my gut? That would obvtown Gamma too

Explain? I suspect spookycat but have no clue why people actually suspect Springtrap

[Gamma Emerald]

Get well soon, cos deadline approaches and finding a bridge between my thinking and the group think would be nice

[Gamma Emerald]

I dont know what part of this game to take seriously anymore. I dont think that's a good sign.

Thoughts on the current wagons?

I will answer this again when the votecount is updated, but all I'm seeing right now is mainly filler and fluff in a game where we should probably be more worried. You know, since 4 of us are evil out of 13 (or 15, I guess, if we count the accounts with multiple people).

I'll wait until later for more critical judgement, and mostly so I can see what is purely friendship and what is attempted buddying.

Get well soon, cos deadline approaches and finding a bridge between my thinking and the group think would be nice

So the post above seemed a little like a scumslip with the "since 4 of us are evilt out of 13", but mostly my scumread on Spring is his reluctancy to provide anything to the game at all. The thing he has most said in the thread is "I will provide something something tomorrow", but nothing ever comes. It's not like he wasn't here: he made some jokes when everybody was doing that, but when the game got serious, he disappeared. My townreads are pushing him, so I'm happy being part of that wagon too.

But with my tinfoil hat on, the whole interaction between the spookycat and Springtrap seemed to be the cat throwing a lifebelt to Spring: Spring needed some content, and the cat started making some questions that seemed forced. So yeah, my attention is on both players right now.

Point me those questions-ward if possible?

[Gamma Emerald]

Interesting interactions between the new kids

[Gamma Emerald]

Mastina's gambit

I think there's something odd about mastina's story. First, you claim that you were 70% confident that your role would be scum before replacing in. Assuming that you're not scum, you should believe your role to be a very bad NK target: why would the mafia want to kill scummy lynchbait?

Nevertheless, you "seemed" to be sufficiently scared of getting killed tonight that you wanted to already tell the mod about your reads so you could be like "I TOLD YOU SO" when you end up in the dead thread [1083]. However, your reads do not seem all that thorough at all—by your own statement, it is a "trash-tier, surface-level, quick one-minute VCA" [1073].

This really makes me wonder what made you feel so pressured to send your contributions to the mod. It couldn't have been the fear that the effort you spent tonight would be wasted in vain if the mafia were to kill you tonight, or some desire to protect your awesome reads from being wasted in any circumstance. In fact, the logic you state doesn't even make sense:

And if I did die, then that typed out message verbatim would be posted to the dead thread since I know northsidegal makes them in all games she mods. I wanted it written out as proof that, yes, I did have the reads which I would then claim to have had, for better or more likely for worse.

Provided that you were to get killed tonight and flip town, there would be nothing preventing you from posting you message verbatim in the dead thread yourself. It is not like "I got killed and flipped town" would give you any information that would make your reads less valuable.

Assuming mastina is scum

That, of course, is the story if you're town. On the other hand, suppose you're scum. Then your actions make sense for a confused scummer:

• As Volxen was a considerable lynch target, there may have been talks about considering nightkilling Volxen to prevent them from getting lynched tomorrow, planting the idea that you are a viable NK target.
  • Alternatively that didn't happen (because it'd be a stupid plan anyway), but you just forgot that from a town perspective you should think you were unlikely to be NK'ed.
• You subconsciously know that you would flip scum if killed, which would strongly impact the information available. This planted the idea that killing you would grant ample extra information and significantly decreasing the value of reads made without that information unless you could prove they were made during the night.
  
• There's clear motivation: scum wouldn't contact the mod with their reads, making what you supposedly did a town action, and you wanted to farm towncred. As bonus this explains why you went out of your way to tell us that your quick one-minute VCA happened during night.

Conclusion

Your whole story about making reads and contacting the mod about them looks like a LAMISTY gambit attempt to make yourself look town; when you wrote your story you were unable to distance yourself from your scum knowledge and gave motivations that don't even make sense for a townie.

VOTE: mastina

Hm?
While I dislike how mastina is playing like I’ve already flipped scum her conclusions don’t seem that wrong based on that premise.

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw, this fits Gamma's scum meta of...ironically, pulling up meta from nowhere.

Wow you know fucking NOTHING of my meta if you think THAT is my scum meta. I do that as both alignments, arguably MORE often as TOWN. Where the fuck do you get the idea you’re an authority on reading me in any sense?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Mastina if you're wrong with this, my vote tomorrow will be parked on you. You are misreping the whole blackjack situation so if Gamma is town, I'm expecting you going for me tomorrow instead of the other players you have named and your scumread on me is poor, very poor. Your whole premise is how some players are related to Gamma

Thanks Pikachu sorry I bought let’s go evee

The fact people are dodging talking about the wagon makes me feel good about it. Full steam ahead.

Dodnig talking about if how? It’s the only fucking thing people have voted today.

[Gamma Emerald]

what even

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh I think John Barrowman is better looking

[Gamma Emerald]

tell that to the massive wagon that's already on me

[Gamma Emerald]

mastina
lolwagons
clem
I think AG

[Gamma Emerald]

just sheeping for now sorry for the inactivity VOTE: springtrap
been trying to get my podcast up and running and there's a whole bunch of logistics i've been putting my mind towards working through
been less active here than elsewhere since any post i make will mean i'd need to come active, i promise to carry my weight day 2
really sorry <3

last vote by clem (So I was wrong)

[Gamma Emerald]

AG hasn't voted today either

[Gamma Emerald]

Ur only being voted by like two people don't scare me like that

Y'all didn't let me get to do shit at eod1 and you lynched town. Let me do my thing today pls ty

I thought more people were voting me because a lot of people wanted to iirc

[Gamma Emerald]

I forgot to redtext again
meh I'm out of the phase where I wanted to redtext anyway, I'm now in another stage of freaking out about things I'm into

[Gamma Emerald]

these are very strange euphemisms

[Gamma Emerald]

Thank you!

[Gamma Emerald]

I changed my mind, it's probably RC, mastina, Gamma and someone else, maybe Clem who's effing around.

I'm sorry guys but I'm replacing out, surgery has been a hell of a thing in my life right now and the intensity of mastina and Aster would be lovely if it wasn't for it. Also, my main motivation of playing this game was playing the worst since I'm playing some games and then I'm going back to my hiatus, and he left even before the game started. Too many replacements too (and I'm replacing out, *insert Palpatine's "ironic" meme*). And last but not least, I'm blacklisting RC if by any chance I join a new game

Really sorry NSG I did everything what I could to not do this on a game of yours, but if I keep playing it would be irresponsible for the sake of the game and for my health. See ya!

mod, I need to be replaced. Thanks!

So you think scum are bussing like crazy? lolmao

[Gamma Emerald]

@RC what's your case n pintu

[Gamma Emerald]

ok.

[Gamma Emerald]

There's nothing to think about, I already asked for my replacement. Stop addressing the replace out to redeem yourself. I shouldn't be commenting also, is against the rules I think.

excuse me WHAT
Are telling to NOT try to get people to stop voting me? Screw off!

[Gamma Emerald]

lol ok
I can see that now. I'm just kinda pissy rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m aware those look rather jarring when out together like that lol
But you posting that you thought that was my meta changed my outlook
Now how about you answer the damn question?

[Gamma Emerald]

Have you actually tried to read me though? All that means nothing if you don’t practice.

[Gamma Emerald]

Theory test time.

MEME MEN: yikes. This one lied about meta with me. That’s a solid scum marker.

vote: THE MEME MEN

As I seem to recall, Meme Men's slot is AnonymousGhost, yes?
+3 AnonymousGhost.

Apologies for the absence btw, ended up napping inadvertently.

God that post by Blackjacks is cringey

No it isn't. Is it a mafiascum.net tradition to insult somebody's sense of humour on day 1 or something?

No. Why do you not think it’s just a little bit overwrought?

So, any thoughts on anyone’s alignment?

Unadulterated LAMIST question. I feel Gamma has stepped way too hard on the game-solve gas pedal here (in a unnatural / forced way)
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Nice double standard jackass.

“Jackass”?! Ok, accepted.

“Double standard”? Nope.
Your question and my vote are different Mr Gamma.

Im more talking about you voting me for the exact opposite reason of American Presidents. What do you expect from me? And don’t try to talk about “I thought that was the norm” because you know I’ve tryharded as town before (maybe, don’t remember our exact meta).
This doesn’t make you scum btw, it just upsets me.

+1 Aster, Keyser.

Right Head has it right. I think I’ll trust the hydra partner when they say Left Head is out of it.

Unvote

By unvoting here you mean that he forgetting about you was the unique reason you voted him? You said you did tryhard as town but doesn't seem to have noticed or get interested in the two suspiscious posts by MEMEMAN?

Yeah that was my reason. I skimmed over that part of your post, because I was just like “hm they’re scumreading MEME MEN too, that’s nice
I’ll look it over

+1 AnonymousGhost.

Im more talking about you voting me for the exact opposite reason of American Presidents. What do you expect from me? And don’t try to talk about “I thought that was the norm” because you know I’ve tryharded as town before (maybe, don’t remember our exact meta).
This doesn’t make you scum btw, it just upsets me.

Interesting mention RE: American Presidents. Perhaps it would have been more strategic for scum-Gamma coming into this game imitating the ‘lack of drive’ demonstrated by town-Gamma in that game. I did not mean to upset you, my paranoia-feels are real and I wanted to call it out:
- also echoed by your subsequent RQS analysis

What is echoed by that analysis?

Not quite sure if this counts so I'll just give it a +.5 for Keyser.

@Gamma
Are you comfortable with MEME’s town read of you?

I wasn’t aware that was a townread, seemed more like a jab with no real thoughts on my alignment?

Not a plus for Keyser, but definitively a +1 for AnonymousGhost.

pedit: ok calling them bland answers is a little insulting. "regular answers," then
-LH

Pintu’s #3 was interesting.

This would count as a +1 for pint.

THE MEME MEN's answers

It took LH@THE MEME MEN almost two days to answer my questions, and what did we get out of it?

A glorious exercise in beating-around-the-bush

. Let me walk you through his post.

I dont do rvs anymore, i personally jump straight to business like james doakes and penguinpower do.

✓ Statement does not answer the question.

THE MEME MEN told us to be careful voting during RVS, so I asked him whether he thought RVS was bad. "I don't RVS myself" does not answer the question, which clearly intended to ask whether he thought RVS shouldn't happen at all; what does he think about other players RVSing?

players using words when they're sure, or not using words - it depends on the context like what they're trying to attain - whether reaction testing or whatever

✓ Skips one question.
✓ Doesn't answer the other.

The main question was whether players shouldn't vote lightly. A subquestion asked about the alternative of "using only words without voting". Yet he answers like the question was "Are words bad?"

look at Herebus with the 14 player large normal, moderated by Krazy. that had 4 scum.

✓ Cites anecdotal evidence.
✓ Cited evidence does not support his point.

Herebus day one had only two out of four scum on the lynchwagon, which is completely average since over half the town was on the lynchwagon. If anything, Herebus demonstrates that the scum will not collectively jump on the lynchwagon merely because they can.

Yes, they did collectively jump on the lynchwagon at LyLo, and that's completely beyond the point. Of course mafia would collectively quickhammer a LyLo wagon when they can. The real issue is about whether mafia will try to collectively quickhammer during early game.

---

Going Deeper

There is something about these answers. It seems that THE MEME MEN are unwilling to answer questions with "yes" or "no" and are instead trying to write something that resembles an answer but actually isn't. I get the impression that they hope my questions will just disappear, which is further corroborated by LH taking his sweet time to answer my questions while RH avoided looking like a lurker; he could've been trying to just stall things hoping town's attention shifts elsewhere in the meanwhile.

Now, if THE MEME MEN were town, why do they need to avoid answering questions? If he believed in his opinions, he could've confidently presented them; they weren't scum opinions at any rate. Alternatively he could have realized and admitted that although he hadn't thought things through, he made his suggestion in good faith.

On the other hand, if THE MEME MAN is scum, this behaviour makes a whole lotta sense. He clearly cannot confidently present his opinion because he knows it is a scum opinion and/or doesn't even believe it himself. He can't find another presentable opinion that doesn't make him look stupid. He doesn't admit that he hadn't thought things through because I said earlier that I expected town to crusade that his opinion is right, and certainly he doesn't want to look like folding scum. Stuck with a no-win situation, he tries to make things go away by stalling and beating around the bush.

Tl;dr:

THE MEME MEN opened the game with a LAMIST suggestion. I think his suggestion was unlikely to have been made in good faith. THE MEME MEN are scared to talk about their opinions leading to their suggestion.

VOTE: THE MEME MEN

God this was amazing. This is the good side of wallposting.

Vote: THE MEME MEN

I'm not sure how many points this would be, but it's at least a minimum of +2 AnonymousGhost. (I'll be conservative here.)

Ok let's try this again, since it's starting to look like a death tunnel from scum.

Glad you're responding. Can you please answer the following questions?
Do you know what RVS is?

yes, a stage where many players claim to joke vote . Yet the votes get counted

Do you think RVS is a bad thing?

bad as in people making joke votes then later complaining about fluff posting or inactivity - then yes it's bad

Is it a bad thing for players to generally have votes standing to indicate who they are most suspicious of, or to exert pressure?

nope. Why would you ask this question?

Would it be better if players only used words to communicate and only placed their votes when they were sure they wanted a lynch?

if only words or votes, sure, votes would be better

Do you believe mafia will actually try to collectively quicklynch a bandwagon provided they can get three townie votes?

yes, and the post should've been clear as day. ceejay understood it, for instance

Beginning to disagree with RH's tr of you. We'll get together later to discuss.
The way aster is projecting what HE did in a past game onto us, looks scummy. Anyone see the micro game with okapoka and saudade scum? Aster resembling the former.
-LH

What, DDU? That’s a very strange mention I feel. Also gives a significant pointer of who you might be. Also I don’t really see any projecting.

Definitively a +1 AnonymousGhost here.

blackjack/Firebringer are scum together
volxen is town
aster is town
nibbul is town
ceejay +equity town

why do u think i am scum?

you correctly called blackjack scum in your sole serious scumread of the game then went back to a cutesy memewagon on obvtown
also I'm pretty sure you never make that post about sheeping me as town
If I'm wrong you're welcome to prove me wrong,

I know some of you don't know RC that well
but this is scum RC
the only other explanation is that he started using drugs
RC, IF YOU HAVE TAKEN UP DRUGS, SEEK AN INTERVENTION NOW
-rh

WHAT.

+1 AnonymousGhost.

Also I would expect to be catching more attention for one of my recent posts.

Almost wanted to call the previous post a +1 Aster, but paired with this I definitely am.

Catching up with the thread I think I may have miss-read your soft/victim/vulnerable vibe

Explain when and why you got that vibe? I don’t feel like I’ve been playing that way at all.

Really?
Sensitive overreaction/sensitive:

"Nice double standard jackass"
"it just upsets me."
"What a welcoming bunch."

Self-focus softness:

"What do you expect from me?"
"Pretty sure I put significant effort in during the Tit For Tat we were in"
"Eh? What’s this about? What’s the relationship between me and that gif to you?"
"I very much dislike the case on me, but all I’ve been able to pick out for why comes back to OMGUS."
"Explain when and why you got that vibe? I don’t feel like I’ve been playing that way at all."

( )

Why be on the defensive foot?:

"Also I would expect to be catching more attention for one of my recent posts."
"Does no one want to engage me even when I provide a general reason to?"
"Thought more people would poke me for admitting to being OMGUSy."

I presume this one was not serious though (?):

Are you gonna seriously just stonewall me when I’m trying to have a real discussion

Some of these just don't make sense. How is me saying I thought something I said would provoke people be defensive? I'm also gonna need an explanation for self-focus softness, because that doesn't really mean anything yet, it's just gibberish. And what? You think my post where I said I was trying to have real discussion was NOT serious? This reads extreeeeeemely fake and crammed into a narrative but I get the feeling this is from ignorance, not malice.

I'm going to call this one a +1 Keyser.

notably i cannot read ceejay and my townread there is somewhat lazy

as it stands my reads are

{RC}
{Pinturicchio, Nibbuls, Aster}
{Blackjacks, Volxen}
{ceejay, gamma, clemency, anonygo}
-null line- {firebringer}
then with {keyser, springtrap} as actual scumreads

I kinda felt like you’d have more scumreads?

This section would be a +1 RC.

I'm kinda tired tho and losing coherency so I know I am handling this inconsistently, either giving points to things that shouldn't be given points or not giving points to everything which should have points (in other words, in the middle when this is something where you want to be on one of the extremes for), but altogether what I saw from this iso is VERY strong evidence for a Gamma-Ghost scumteam. Others have some evidence, like potentially Keyser; Aster; etc. But by far the most obvious would be Gamma Emerald and AnonymousGhost.

Wait a second what fucking theory are you testing?

[Gamma Emerald]

that being said this is kind of a small thing and I only noticed it now because people brought attention to gamma. I'm not super excited by default about the prospect of sheeping mastina's meta guilty

I'm still townreading pin but I'd like to hear rc's theory, I hope it's interesting because we're super bored

What meta theory: that I reference random meta as scum? That is a crock loaded with bullshit and anyone who actually pays a mothercucking lick of attention to my play would know damn fucking well that’s NAI at best.

[Gamma Emerald]

So for a vote in what iirc was pre-game, I’m somehow scum? What the actual fuck.

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s because you haven’t really given any reasons for me to pick apart afaict.

[Gamma Emerald]

You categorized my posts but you didn’t actually post what you thought of each one. Not really much to debate with what you posted except it’s just not really as scum indicative as you think.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like if you had given reads and shit or even explained like “hey nah man that’s just me that’s just how I do, I get the logic sorry here’s where I’m at” I could have been convinced to unvote you.

But. You. Just. Keep. Doing. It. Over. And. Over.

Meh I was put off from talking with you by the way you were leveraging votes on me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes. I mean it’s practicalky the only thing I’m doing rn because very few serious suspicions have been pointed elsewhere today.

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh I’m now starting to look at other things and I’m curious whether anyone has an idea of why Nibbyi died?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes. I mean it’s practicalky the only thing I’m doing rn because very few serious suspicions have been pointed elsewhere today.

But come on man, you were doing it on day 1 too.

Did I say I didn’t? Why are you getting bent out of shape over semantics

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay I missed the point of what you were trying to say then. I was talking about why that was pretty much the only thing I’d been doing today.

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh I’m now starting to look at other things and I’m curious whether anyone has an idea of why Nibbyi died?

Also, input on this? Or are you not going to engage me when I’m finally doing something other than defending myself?

[Gamma Emerald]

Mhm yeah, on top of flaking out that does reflect poorly on him
How was Nibbui being read EoD1 because if they were widely townread that lowers the likelihood of that being why they were killed

[Gamma Emerald]

Normally I try not to do much night kill analysis because PRs confound that.

But without PRs here and with mafia only getting one lynch of their own before the next one is a loss, there might be more merit in examining Night kills.

So why not discuss it earlier?

[Gamma Emerald]

So for a vote in what iirc was pre-game, I’m somehow scum? What the actual fuck.

what my post was trying to convey is that I think it's scummy that you didn't comment on rc's meta case on me

Okay
I recall thinking it made sense

[Gamma Emerald]

u would think I'd be today's guaranteed lynch with all these people who are scum reading/associative reading me to all these other people cause there's probs a near majority on me already

mastina, RC, lolwagons, gamma, and maybe aster if she still has it from d1

but not really.

you'd think: all these peeps would have a light bulb moment and reach a consensus on someone who's getting scum read to a point of lynchqbility and possibly get one step closer to winning while simultaneously putting off LyLo

in reality: yeah. that's not happening and we have all these weird side lynches which could be associatives to me rather than the other way around in some peeps' cases

Oof yeah that’s something to consider
I want to vote AG but I’m given pause by this being kinda bold
I’m not too familiar with AG meta, are they the type to call themselves out like this as scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

is open 707 bad meta on you

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes

[Gamma Emerald]

can someone just give me something to sheep thanks all my fun games are in night phase

And so you want this one in night phase too whyyyy? Kinda feels like a scumslip imo

[Gamma Emerald]

Only scum have shit they can do at night this game

[Gamma Emerald]

And doing nothing at night is more fun than doing nothing in day because...?

[Gamma Emerald]

lol k
Clemency pls just replace out if you're not having fun, I'd rather not have someone who isn't taking the game seriously rn
Like I foresee you playing as Nosferatu did in TAZ mafia 2 and I don't want that

[Gamma Emerald]

So you want more voting, not a lynch (at least yet)
ok
VOTE: anonymousGhost

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I feel like AG is right that sorting them is a good move rn and since they would call attention to themselves as either alignment I don't see anything to give me immediate pause

[Gamma Emerald]

why not Anon? do you disagree flipping her tells a lot?

[Gamma Emerald]

Not the point
though honestly I can see why penguin is prolly a better lynch after a mite of thought
VOTE: PenguinPower

[Gamma Emerald]

you mean hey howdy hey don't you?

[Gamma Emerald]

It was mostly just feeling like his replace out was bad along with liking the first paragraph of RC’s case
But I read the full case while trying to triangulate what gave me the desire to vote there and I think it’s pretty solid, minus the NKA part which imo implicates ceejay more than pintu

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I feel like AG is right that sorting them is a good move rn and since they would call attention to themselves as either alignment I don't see anything to give me immediate pause

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Are you seriously suggesting we lynch nullsomething just to sort them? Seriously? SERIOUSLY?

Surely you remember that if town is lynched today, tomorrow will by LyLo requiring five unanimous town votes to not lose? And that even if we were to lynch scum tomorrow, we would just have another LyLo the day after?

So you think AG is scum
And think I am scum
But don’t think I think AG is scum?
That makes no sense, wouldn’t I KNOW it’s a scumflip?

[Gamma Emerald]

I refuse

If she's scum I shall lynch one of her scumbuddies and then not read the victory flip

Aster will be forever town in my heart

If Aster is scum I won’t trust your ability to read her in the future

[Gamma Emerald]

You're not allowed to tell me or allow me to learn via deductive reason based on your treatment of my aster reads in future games if she's scum

what

[Gamma Emerald]

@aster

y don't u think gamma could be bussing me?

This resembles my problem but I think the difference is this is a vastly simplified version of my problem.

[Gamma Emerald]

y don't u think gamma could be bussing me?

It doesn't seem like Gamma Emerald actually put effort into getting you lynched, as such it is hard to call it a "bus", rather just some distancing. If you're both scum, there's no deep complot to throw open. Moreover, his actions make sense regardless of your alignment.

• If you're town, then Gamma Emerald's vote was just some more of his active lurking waffles to make it look like he's doing stuff.
  After all, "Vote Me" → "Okay I'll vote you" is an easy threshold.
  
• If you're scum, then Gamma Emerald's vote was some slight distancing before moving on to the next target.

The import part is that whatever his real motivation for voting you might be, he made up some reason that I cannot imagine a town active lurker making up.

I think I’ve placed the difference between me and AG’s issue with Aster’s suspicions on me + AG. AG thinks Aster isn’t considering us both being scum. I think she is but that conflicts with her reason to suspect me.

[Gamma Emerald]

I disagree

It's not bussing if there's no intent to lynch

I rarely use these terms anymore but there’s hardbussing and softbussing
I definitely hardbussed in Mini 2041

[Gamma Emerald]

fat chance of this happening

why don't u think it's possible?

If we can't get the townies to unanimously agree both those days, scum won't get lynched, which means town loses.

(I'm not sure if "fat chance" means what you think it means?)

[Gamma Emerald]

So Penguin bypassed my reasoning for my vote. I don’t like practicing the ”idle questioning” tell as it generally falls flat on me and has a low success rate in general imo, but the fact he addressed me specifically makes it a special case where it applies. (read: I think PP is scummy for not responding to my vote reasoning on him despite calling for it directly)

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok
The mite of thought is setup related and that’s all I’m saying.

[Gamma Emerald]

before u replaced in i slotted pint as 'haha you're wrong about my alignment' category

What does this mean

[Gamma Emerald]

means 'i give no fucks + i've reached the point where i'm being petty over playing the game'

Ok
Thought that could be an appraisal if pintu’s style instead of what you thought of their read on you

[Gamma Emerald]

MOD:

Extend my V/LA by 24-48 hours.
Right

now

I have power back--but I have twice had power back for fifteen minutes, only to lose it again later.
And it's still rather windy out; we're not out of the woods on the storm yet.

I'll be back in the game...once I can be assured that I can actually play the damn game without losing all of my work because I can't fucking post it. (The instant power goes out, internet goes out, too. So even though my uninterruptable power supply makes it so that my computer doesn't instantly crash, doesn't do me much good since pages won't load, posts won't go through, etc.)

Can’t you use word

[Gamma Emerald]

"how long can i ignore this pain in my chest before it's dangerous" the game

explain
This feels like it's super deep but maybe I'm a dipshit

[Gamma Emerald]

Did someone say L-1?
VOTE: PenguinPower

[Gamma Emerald]

at first I was like
"Nice try Gamma on the fake-hammer you were already voting Pengy"
then I was like
"Holy shit Gamma unvoted and Clem jumped on the wagon since the last VC"
and then I was like
"Gamma is probscum trying to take a one for one since they are so close"

that's a lynch boys and girls

Wait what
I thought I was voting

[Gamma Emerald]

Lolno

[Gamma Emerald]

wait I thought that was an actual mod VC so I wanted to steal most recent post to retain credibility

[Gamma Emerald]

-_-

[Gamma Emerald]

Meh. I'm done catching up.

Was town. Lynch Gamma. RC is probably scum too.

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[Gamma Emerald]

Not really
I don’t really care about this game rn, plus mastina will obviously never not vote me so the only way Town wins is if mastina us scum, scum fail to coordinate, or we lynch something else first

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m kinda feeling that way from her “scum must be bussing” theory but that’s because I really get the feeling scum wouldn’t bus rn.

[Gamma Emerald]

I need to go back that post I only found OMGUS reasons to suspect and figure out what the fuck the actual problem was because had I found an actual reason I would’ve pushed it

[Gamma Emerald]

i mean i guess you could say that if you're scum and you get lynched any day that you did something wrong

Not if you get guiltied

[Gamma Emerald]

From now on outside of LyLo I’m just gonna let myself get lynched if the majority of people suspect me lol