A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

[Firebringer]

RC said the game is cancelled.

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lol stole credit

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I agree on lynching Fire.

unfriended.

actually i don't care.
refriended.

i don't know when we became friends but we just went through a really weird time.
i am glad we made it through this shoshin.

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If FB and Invis replaced out because they're scum who don't think scum has a shot at winning anymore, then why bother playing the game to an inevitable conclusion?

agreed me and inviz are last scum.

radiant should call the game because we conceded in scum chat.

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radiant should call the game because we conceded in scum chat.

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trolling u

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Lol I stole a patent on scumreads

Good one jjh

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Vecna I thought u were leaving the site?

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I am no longer replacing out but I am voting this:

VOTE: End the game

Anyone who wants to continue the game because whatever reason I think is being selfish.

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This game is still going on because like three people are like “let’s continue” or “yeah w/e let’s finish”
But everyone has stated a desire that this game isn’t fun. That most of us are forcing our way through and that we continue this argument and even the people who want to continue are just doing it out of some sense of misplaced obligation to finish it.

Listen why don’t we all take a hard vote.
If more than a majority wants this game I will shut up and fake my way through it.

But this is seriously dumb.


Let’s do a vote

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we could if you rather be in a game filled with walls of crap and zero fun.

yeah thats sounds good.

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she could literally gladiate me at any time.
no one would fucking care.

hell people would be happy if she would gladiate me now.
but she wont because she is a fucking cancer to this game.

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why aren't u voting to end the game?
why are we playing this.

i feel like i am the only sane person for not wanting to play this game.

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It’ll be fun once we resolve this rut the game is in
I waited a long time for this game, I’m not having it end prematurely you fucking replacer

also u have replaced out of way more games than me. go fuck yourself.
played more than 140 games of mafia.

replaced out of 8.

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gamma can you explain to me where exactly you have been trying to solve the game?

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i mean you could counter it but i was questioning you on what you have been doing. you claimed ur more invested in this game and i don't see anymore investment than mine.
and honestly that explanation of ur wheme read is probably the most substantive statement you have made in at least 50-60 pages.

unless you think that is incorrect or wrong.

was not really seeing you invested in this game at all. i frankly don't get why you care about this game

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i mean you could counter it but i was questioning you on what you have been doing. you claimed ur more invested in this game and i don't see anymore investment than mine.

to explain this in another way:

i am in no way saying I AM DOING SO MUCH IN THIS GAME. I am saying your not doing anything and neither am i. so why are you saying your doing a lot?
i understand my contributions are zero to none.
i just don't see u any different than me right now.

i haven't been sorting this game since probably the first two days after i subbed in? Not sure when i stopped trying at all, maybe i didn't ever start.

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I meant invested in a different sense but yeah I’m more invested in the general sense too
I have put in more overall effort I believe. You’re welcome to attempt to disprove me but I doubt you will get very far.

id rather you prove that u are.
i don't think the onus is on me to prove that ur wrong here because u told me ur more invested. i think you should have an easy time to show me i am wrong.

i skimmed ur iso not even five minutes ago and held it side by side by mine. not impressed by either of us.

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i think ur assessment that the haze will ever clear up is frankly naive.
games usually don't clean up unless all the players causing the issues are gone.

and half of this player list is in what i consider "the toxic range"
and on the toxic range i got most of them beat by a mile, but the funny thing is i know this game is not going to get better with me going away and i really think it helps for everyones happiness if we just cancelled it.

i could literally modkill myself if i thought my disappearance improves the game or even just lynch myself. I am leaning to the latter just to save me the problems.

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I’m not doing a lot now
But I did a lot earlier and I don’t want to have wasted my time

yeah if i wasn't clear when i argued with u about investment.
i was specfiically talking about the current situation.

overall, i think when i joined i was more invested than you and i have gone to point where i am not and you are at the same point.
i went through my iso and found more effort than 90% of your posts in this game.

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both but by that logic u should be lynching mastina.
because if ur going to continue with the argument that people hide behind mastina than lynching everyone who is accused of that only eliminates people complaining about mastina.

and not liking how mastina is handling her role isn't alignment indicative as we can all clearly see.

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and i don't think lynching mastina solves the probllems of this game.
the damage is done.

if we lynched mastina i see us arguing for later days about peoples motivations for lynching her regardless of her flip.
like we can't escape this hellscape unless we call it

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and i think jingle would replace mastina as the one who is holding this game in apathy (assuming i am gone too)

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i am going to full claim right now because 1) i haven't even used my role all game 2) to give scum more information because i am pro scum

i am maid cafe barrista
i am a temporary neighborizer. I need to pick someone at end of day and then they come to my "cafe". this has only happened once in the game when beeboy/maria i guess invited jjh. (probably the stupid reason he tr me earlier)
Everyone i neighbourize will be able to choose to take limited watcher, tracker, or voyeur actions until all have been taken, then the availability resets. You will perform these actions, but not receive the results: your customer will receive the results directly.

i am sided with the town.

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jjh if you ignore nicorobin long enough she will go away.

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aristophanes, creature and i don't know if there is a third.

i like them both so i am not voting either.

creature has been lying.
aristophanes is in his awkward scum ways.

if there is more scum than that idk someone pushing me for anti town while not doing anything real.
maybe lady angel since she seems oblvious in the scummy way.

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this game is actually very hard to solve given the people occupying slots

like porkens has done absolutely garbage. how do you read him? he does nothing but shout nonsensical statements that aren't in relation to anything that is being said. its like he is simple chat bot that someone made in a few hours while high.

meme man posts make me cringe 90% of the time because they post in a way that when i read it i am like "is this a real person?" and then i don't want to analyze any of the content but the content looks very flip flopping and i can't tell if its natural or not because meme man isn't acting human.

like i don't think this is easy for me to solve as you think and i think u should have easier time understanding that my anti town behavior isn't like weird.

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and i feel to close to this game in an emotional way that i can't be as objective as i want to be with the people shouting for my death to read their intentions with great deal of accuracy.

and usually if i can keep myself emotionaly distant i can read people who are attempting to read me or push me very very accurately.

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and at this moment i only care about solving this game in the sense of:
why are you people not on the side of lets cancel this game?

i think if anyone should want to cancel this game its any scum player who is sick of the game mechanics (which many of you say is me). and the environment it has caused and how anti fun it has all been (which should be any non masochist town player).

I am going to continue framing this game as a push to cancel it.
I am not here to solve the game for a sense of winning a game. I am here to avoid the uneeded frustration for all involved.
Which unfortunately is causing us all to have more uneeded frustration.

So where is everyone on the vote?

Why should we really continue the game?
So far no one has disagreed with me that the game is not fun.
Many people in this game have been anguishing and pushing themselves just to post and most aren't engaged in the game to begin with to justify them even posting to begin with.

VOTE TO CANCEL!

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name a post of urs that isn't a dodge

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Hey fire, I have a proposition for you:
Make jjh start HIS UPick, and I’ll be less adamant about wanting this one to carry on

i pmed him. we shall seeeee

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I have a guilty on Firebringer.

no u don't

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mastina, gladiate me u fucking coward.
u don't have a guilty on me.

ur a moron.
the worst mafia player ever.

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is it?

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lol it is.
wow i am dumb

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cool i am confirmed town now, rc do ur thing.

lets lynch mastina now.

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VOTE: Mastina

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VOTE: porkens

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i think nico is probably town.
jjh get of that.

scum are likely lady angel and porkens.

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Fire what are your reads of NSG, Gamma Emerald, and Aristophanes?

-rh

town, town, and maybe still scum.

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If I told you you were wrong on one of these reads, who do you think it would be likely to be?

-rh

aristophanes i guess. the others aren't wrong and i think very unlikely.
maybe gamma but i don't see any reason to scumread him

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are people still into this game?

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VOTE: nicorobin

Cool.

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My question is how does that sit with you?

I think you are all scummy as fuck and there's still tons of unclaimed roles so...

ur reads are bad anyway

[Firebringer]

omg my hats are going to be stacking now!?!?!?

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i am the most festive growlithe u will ever meet

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ty nsg ur a true friend to woofbringers

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Fire, if you had to guess the entire scumteam at this exact moment, who would it be?

why are you interested in my opinion?

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i just don't think u would be someone who would be interested in my opinions here regardless of me being IC.
i find this "lets refine reads together" strange.

maybe i don't know u well but this just seems off.

uve read my posts and have not engaged with me all game.
i made it pretty clear i haven't been invested.

this feels like ur trying to pocket me more than collaborate.

do you think this assessment is unfair/wrong?

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well if you want to talk, want to go through ur townreads on porkens and lady angel? I don't tr either.

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What are your reads on the other players?

i pretty much agree with all ur other townreads.

kind of think ari is scum here also. he keeps doing his cheerful happy face but i think he is just trying his best to keep it what he thinks is natural which makes it look awkward.

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Shoshin is good at mafia

are you ever going to post something resembling a thought on a player that isn't a blanket statement?

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Shoshin is good at mafia

are you ever going to post something resembling a thought on a player that isn't a blanket statement?

Only if I really have to.

thank u for letting me know

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VOTE: Invisibility

Firebringer, Invisibility, NR, Porkens is my scumpool with a side chance of meme men in there.

this is a very scummy post by lady angel i want u all to remember.

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i am neighboring jingle for the rest of the game.
i am confident he is town.

if he dies i will neighbor probably vecna

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no. i still don't trust u.

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but ur not like my primary focus here because i am not really into diving into a full focus on you.
and im not worried about you because ur not a major influence in the game rn.

so if ur scum i am leaving u around for a long time. also ur claim should get u killed so i don't need to really worry about you

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your top 2 town reads are the guy that passionately defended both scum and the other guy that wanted to use Masyina's role for 5 days and then bus her?

yes i feel very strongly they are both town.

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like i would be willing to take a hiatus from mafia if jingle flips scum.
or even pay everyone in this game $10 through paypal if i was wrong.

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glad someone agrees. i'm gonna stop bringing it up now (despite loving every chance i get to link to how amazing i was of course in open 728)

if u want i can brag for u. just give me the codeword

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okay shoshin but even so nero isn't advocating for ur lynch, and would u agree u are likely to die within a few days anyways given ur role?

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It's long-term planning, Fire. He's been setting up mislynches since the start of this game.

the long term plan makes no sense if ur going to be dead by then.

do u think ur going to be alive in 3 days when nero cain would push for a lynch on u?

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wait wtf, why are u not using ur role?

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Meh, I'm going to try dying but who knows if that will happen? Last time I was a bodyguard (Labyrinth), scum left me alive all the way to LYLO. And I was able to bring a confirmed townie to LYLO as a result. So, like, who knows? Scum might think they can frame me (it's what they thought in Labyrinth) and ultimately I don't have much say in whether I'm alive.

who knows if u will die?
u have 2 conf town to BG.

they have to kill the conf town. wtf are u talking about

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i am pretty okay with the scum not killing the conf town if thats the case, that doesn't make it easier for them.
we aren't lynching u as long as i am alive

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you guys are being stupid and being hyperfocused on something being a scumtell that actually comes from town game after game after game

all the while ignoring actual alignment-relevant information

is it funny i have no idea who this is directed at

[Firebringer]

I've spent a fair time pushing scum

hey buddy u also pushed me and i haven't forgiven u for it yet

[Firebringer]

you guys are being stupid and being hyperfocused on something being a scumtell that actually comes from town game after game after game

all the while ignoring actual alignment-relevant information

is it funny i have no idea who this is directed at

you could probably quote it at a lot of people in almost any game really

i am considering sigging it post game lol

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nero sux at the mafias

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u two can stop now.
ur not getting better reads on each other and ur only confirmation biasing urselves harder.

we can restart this argument tomorrow. neither of u are getting lynched today or likely even tomorrow.

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Fire, why is Nero town?

> i don't think he has been trying to convince anyone he is town
> I think all his thought patterns have been natural
> i have read and came to similar conclusions with him.

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At EoD today I will be modkilling adelbert steiner. Gonna make a few more requests for replacements.

modkilling a confirmed town?

can't we just call this game over with?

god that is depressing\

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meming in my game thread is banned and anyone who does so will be promptly modkilled

No u

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Mastina I am almost curious,
Did you actually think confirming town players would win you the game just because of the apathy you produced?

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So absolutely, yes.
I felt that conftowning people who were my planned fucking nightkills anyway (for instance, I almost got a chance to conftown Jingle...which would have been perfect for getting him out of the game because there was literally no player better on strength-of-play for me to use my strongman on overall) was a QUITE good usage of my role.

If you're confto

No it wasn’t lol

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Like u conftown players who were going to be lynched and then night killed them and say “well I deprived town info and lynches” you also forced ur self down a path of denying actually good kills

U gave town way more by producing the conf town than they lost with no lynchesz
And it also forced ur kills.

Like the only way this play makes sense is if ur going down some apathy style where everyone gives up and just lets you win

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This was by far the worst scum strategy I have seen

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Ur memes were good ari

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Bye felicia

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can scum pt be released? I want to read it