Starcraft Mafia -- Game Over!

[Varsoon]

Zerg are monsters more than they are people. They could have an infested person among them that uses bullet flavor on kills, though, which I know is literally true since they have an infested Duran.

@Mitilos: There's no reason for people to scumread me now, just doubtcast when I am right. :/

[Varsoon]

https://starcraft.fandom.com/wiki/List_ ... t_II_units

This might be helpful for people to visualize what the different races are like.

[Nauci]

oh for some reason i vaguely remember you saying when you claimd that they didn't have bullet flavor; i didn't go back to check and i wasn't sure if i was remembering correctly

and hey, it's possible you could have played better, but live and let learn for next time. really don't beat yourself up over it

so if a scum faction does not have 'gun/bullet' kill flavor, the gunsmith is useless to finding them.
and since town prs have several flipped roles with gun/bullet flavor, that would indicate that keyser can get a lot of 'fake' guilties, and (if zerg don't have bullets) no guilties on the zerg

and that makes it feel like a scum role to me, zerg who can find some other gun-flavor faction + town prs
and less likely to be town

of course all of htis is based on the assumption that zerg don't have bullets which i feel is semi-reasonable? idk i know squat about flavor so i coudl well be wrong here

Although

Gunsmiths have guns

So maybe he's not Zerg

But it still feels scummy

[Nauci]

I was feeling tortured over the informational stuff on my role

I extremely empathize

I've rolled tpr a TON of times when all I want is to be a VT

The less I know the more motivated I am in a game lol

[skitter30]

i mean if htere isn't another gunsmith it's irrelevant if he has a gun or not
(also like mafia docs don't have guns iether; just because the faction as a whole has it doesn't imply that a particular member of the faction also doesn't)

i think he's pretty likely to flip some flavor of scum but i'd feel incredibly silly actually lynching a town gunsmith today before we know whether or not zerg have bullet flavor

idk

[Nauci]

FWIW I completely believe varsoon's claim because it explains why he post the way he did earlier in the game

[skitter30]

i think varsoon is town
(or, in a game with multiball, at least benevelont 3p or whatever)

[Varsoon]

Right now, for me, it's either Keyser or Mewtaph.
I don't think Keyser's a town gunsmith for all the reasons I've stated before.

[skitter30]

eh

VOTE: keyser

[skitter30]

idk i might switch back soonish before i leave for the weekend

[Varsoon]

I thought the posts he was being t/read for were NAI: the tin foil translated to ‘smug scum’. With the hard defences for him he ended D1 as a slot I wanted more info on.

Show this progression.

VOTE: Keyser

I don't doubt your role.
However, you're incorrectly using mod meta to justify it when the mod might specifically go against meta in this situation.
Furthermore, I'm really to believe the following:
1. A player that has had a fairly scummy game so far just so happens to
2. Be a gunsmith role in a game where town has a PGO and Vig already
3. Where the mod has run this sort of setup as all-town before
4. Where players who are familiar with that game are playing here in this one
5. And you just so happened to check Creature, the only player who you could have checked out of 16 possible choices
6. Creature, who's flip makes it such that your claim has no actual validity to it
7. Creature, who your rationale for checking is this shaky

I don't buy it.

I don't know that he ever showed that progression, either? :/

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Keyser

[Nauci]

i mean if htere isn't another gunsmith it's irrelevant if he has a gun or not
(also like mafia docs don't have guns iether; just because the faction as a whole has it doesn't imply that a particular member of the faction also doesn't)

i think he's pretty likely to flip some flavor of scum but i'd feel incredibly silly actually lynching a town gunsmith today before we know whether or not zerg have bullet flavor

idk

I just mean that because Zerg are monsters I wasn't sure if it'd correlate with a gunsmith role

Also if any flavor was Gunsmith I'd have expected it to be Irrelephant's since he's literally the weaponsmith/mechanic character

[Nauci]

Wait how many votes on Keyser is that I've lost track badly and am on mobile rn

[Varsoon]

Yeah it doesn't make sense.
Also, the thing that keeps irking me is
Keyser said he was an 'informed' gunsmith
And also he claimed after other people put out the possibility of gunsmith.
It just feels really, really artificial.

[skitter30]

idk, like i said, before this game i thought starcraft was a tv show

[Varsoon]

So Keyser claimed informed gunsmith but I don't think he ever claimed his information
Which is something you would think town would claim
I just don't know why.

[Varsoon]

It's a really fantastic game that you can literally play for free and it, for a very long time, was called the National Sport of South Korea due to its popularity there.

[Varsoon]

https://us.shop.battle.net/en-us/product/starcraft

Seriously, this runs on Windows 95.
Go play it.
It's literally free.

[skitter30]

Yeah it doesn't make sense.
Also, the thing that keeps irking me is
Keyser said he was an 'informed' gunsmith

And also he claimed after other people put out the possibility of gunsmith.

It just feels really, really artificial.

i actually don't remember the bolded happening
i don't inherently have a problem with the informed part; it makes sense for either town or scum to be told there's a third party (if there's a third party and zerg is the main faction what does the 3p make sense to be?)

i think his check on creature is meh
and i'm a little dubious that there's a town gunsmith rn

p-edit i'm pretty sure he said he's informed there's a third party anti-town faction but i'll go find it

[Nauci]

This is only 4 votes on Keyser

I don't have a problem with switching back to mew if that's the consensus but I have not read up on his meta so I'm less confident about that read

P.S. Sorry NM

[Varsoon]

When I ISO'd 'gunsmith' I saw hits for it before his gunsmith claim.

[skitter30]

https://us.shop.battle.net/en-us/product/starcraft

Seriously, this runs on Windows 95.
Go play it.
It's literally free.

cool, maybe i'll check it out

[Xtoxm]

I thought the posts he was being t/read for were NAI: the tin foil translated to ‘smug scum’. With the hard defences for him he ended D1 as a slot I wanted more info on.

Show this progression.

VOTE: Keyser

I don't doubt your role.
However, you're incorrectly using mod meta to justify it when the mod might specifically go against meta in this situation.
Furthermore, I'm really to believe the following:
1. A player that has had a fairly scummy game so far just so happens to
2. Be a gunsmith role in a game where town has a PGO and Vig already
3. Where the mod has run this sort of setup as all-town before
4. Where players who are familiar with that game are playing here in this one
5. And you just so happened to check Creature, the only player who you could have checked out of 16 possible choices
6. Creature, who's flip makes it such that your claim has no actual validity to it
7. Creature, who your rationale for checking is this shaky

I don't buy it.

I don't know that he ever showed that progression, either? :/

he declined to
what i can say from memory is that it did feel like a natural progression to me (checking creature)
so the question is whether he faked it

[skitter30]

Not yet - I know there is a third party who can’t win with town.