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In post 49, mith wrote:I would be very surprised if we don't get to 30, at least. We have had consistent membership for several years. (That said, don't know where all the stragglers are.)
(Also, we're at 22 now with Rhinox. So we'd be at 12/10 without doubling up.)
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1v1 final destinationIn post 68, D3f3nd3r wrote:Panzer is there any number of teams too low for youSometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.- PJ.
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So uh...why isn't this a ppr league again? Pretty sure that'd solve the emphasis problem.In post 130, mith wrote:2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex puts too much emphasis on running backs IMO, at a time when the league is doing the opposite.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.- PJ.
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PPR by itself both eliminates the emphasis AND the burden by A) giving more points to receivers and B) increasing the pool of viable running backs that can be played i.e Duke Johnson, Jerrick McKinnon, Christian Mccaffery, Chris Thompson are all basically unplayable in standard.In post 147, PokerFace wrote:PPR would alleviate emphasis that points place on RB, but because the the current NFL does not have that many teams that live and breath on the strength of the RB, finding good rbs for the rb spot will be hard. PPR wouldn't alleviate the positional requirements.
We would have to have 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 W/R/T with PPR to alleviate it from both aspects.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.- PJ.
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If you want "actual football schemes" why don't we have IDPs then? And only 1 rb? Because fantasy football has nothing to do with real football strategy and IDPs are no fucking fun even though it's more like real football. PPR is both fun and solves your problem, also evens up the scoring (both at the top and the middle).In post 149, mith wrote:My point about emphasis was that 2.5 RB, 2.5 WR (which is what the standard Flex roster basically turns into) is so far removed from actual football schemes. I don't have any problem with RBs scoring more points than WRs (and that's really only true at the very top) - without Flex, it doesn't matter at all (since points are relative to replacement only within that position).
PPR eliminates the emphasis in a Flex league by (in theory) making the Flex decision shift strongly toward WR3 over RB3... Which is what 2 RB, 3 WR does anyway. (In practice, I'm not sure even that is true - ESPN's current rankings would have you draft 24 RBs and 26 WRs as starters in a 10 man league - their standard for those rankings - for non-PPR... and 25 RBs and 25 WRs in PPR).
And yes, PPR does make certain RBs more playable... at the expensive of making other RBs less playable. PPR also leads to some bizarre scoring, IMO (a 0 yard catch should not be worth as much as a 10 yard run).
I would not be opposed to playing PPR sometime, but I don't think it objectively makes the fantasy football experience any more interesting. It's a matter of preference - and Scumleague has always been non-PPR.
And yeah, some running backs become valuable, but only slightly and most of them were pretty undesirable to begin with. Marshawn Lynch was the 19th highest scoring RB in Standard last year. Lativius Murray was the 20th. Both of them only had 5 games where they wouldn't of ruined your fantasy week and one of Murray's was week 17. PPR smoothes that out. You're worst starter is no longer unplayable half the season or more.
If your aren't opposed to playing ppr, a fairly large contingent would rather play some form of ppr then "standard"(which is no longer standard ftr), then why not play ppr?
Also other Ringer media that completely irrelevant to the discussion, Bill Simmons posted a twitter poll of what's better, PPR or standard, and 60-something percent said ppr. So let's not bring The Ringer into this.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.- PJ.
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this is my least favorite thing cause i remember hating your kid for like...11 minutes last year and i felt very bad about itIn post 173, D3f3nd3r wrote:
Just have him "order" 12 things and have two of them be arbitrary for the ten-man leagues.In post 165, mith wrote:
I'll be doing something with Luke on Saturday (probably after his nap, since I'll have to get ready for Auction before his nap). Dunno what yet. I'll have to get a little more creative, since we have different league sizes.In post 161, PokerFace wrote:By the way, how we picking draft order. What luke gonna do for this mith?Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.- PJ.
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But you can't take a joke tho?In post 195, Nero Cain wrote:My fault for expecting maturity.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.- PJ.
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SRYIn post 212, mith wrote:Let's say if you are in L3 as a dupe you can't pick for that league.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.- PJ.
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It's not fun though. And it's never been fun. It's this try hard way to make it quirky. I don't watch the videos, I think it's garbage. But whatever, it just sounds like sour grapes about a bad pick but I'd much rather hit random draft order than do some bullshit random game that no one actually cares about that seems to spit out virtually the same order every year.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.- PJ.
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Daily. The one-true-format.In post 263, D3f3nd3r wrote:Your four-team league you mean?Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.- PJ.
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Win as much as you lose. Just like any other forms of gambling. A smart 20 bucks can stretch a long way. I put in 20, took it out when I hit 50, now I hover anywhere between 10-30 bucks all on draft kings dime. I play NBA, MMA, and NFL.In post 268, D3f3nd3r wrote:What do you do then? Or did you just win really big three years ago and haven’t needed to spend since?
For the same reason the auction people say "Auction > Snake"Nero Cain wrote:Why is daily a better format?Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.- PJ.
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Didn't necessarily mean specifically you.In post 279, Nero Cain wrote:
I don't think I ever said this and if I did then I'm about to slightly backtrack. I don't think either is "better" its just different strats. I mean, with a snake draft you just take the best available and drafting usually sticks to a pre-determined order you can maybe plan ahead better than an auction. You could maybe argue that auction involves a little more skill b/c you aren't guaranteed the top tier players like you are in snake and you have to make do with less. It's pretty similar to daily I guess since you have the X budget to do your roster with.In post 272, PJ. wrote:For the same reason the auction people say "Auction > Snake"
A lot of fantasy football media guy (Matt Berry and Bill Simmons can be easy examples here) view auction as the better test of skill because "everyone has a chance at everyone". So if you follow that logic to its natural conclusion, Daily is the biggest test of skill in fantasy football because everyone has a shot at everyone, every week.
In practice, it's slightly flawed if you play the big multi-entry tournaments(i.e Draft King's famous "Millionaire Maker") it's actually not much different from a lottery. Top guys typically a buy in for max tickets and enter a bunch of different line ups, typically using some kind of algorithm based on performance/cost that will spit out a pile of different line ups (some will build their own, some will pay for a commercial one). But it's honestly just similar to guys using top tier adp auction sheets/snake sheets, so it's all what you're willing to put up with, but you can avoid most of the real "sharks" if you stick to low money or single entry options. Also, the low price cash games like 50/50s, double ups, and even some 3/5 player stuff.
Tl;dr: if you think auction is superior to snake because everyone can take anyone, than daily is usually strictly better at that.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.- PJ.
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1. Why'd you play Rishard Matthew you dip shit?
2. Why'd you not start Conner over Howard when all the news on that game was how shitty the weather was going to be?
3. WHY DO YOU EVEN HAVE RISHARD MATTHEWS ON YOUR TEAM!?.
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I'd rather have PPR then a flex. Also I'd rather people actually play well and start good players instead of bitch about that they can't win because they don't have a flex(considering it was very easy to tell that Conner should of been in over Howard and you were starting a garbo 3rd wide out.).Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.- PJ.
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it's not even a draft issue. It's a "I lucked out on Waiver Wire to get a Hold-outs back up and it's not fair I don't get to play him AND Jordan Howard" issue.
And it's like...welp...maybe you shouldn't start RISHARD FUCKING MATTHEWSLast edited by PJ. on Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.- PJ.
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tyrod taylor.In post 380, BROseidon wrote:Like by your logic you should make QB passing yards worth the same as rushing (same with TDs). There's a reason Cam is a top 5 fantasy QB but not even in the top 1/2 of QBs in the league in terms of actual value to his team.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.- PJ.
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that was my point. The best guys at it are already the best ball-runners too. And the guys who are pass-catching only, don't really become THAT relevant. For example, Chris Thompson is *already* fantasy relevant without ppr.In post 376, Rob14 wrote:You just named two elite RBs who can also run the ball. Sure, if you're a Gurley or a Bell or a Kamara, you can be extremely fantasy relevant as a pass-catching back who can also run the ball. But people like Riddick or Sproles are as good as non-pass-catching RB2s in terms of how they benefit their teams, and they don't get similar numbers in non-PPR.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.- PJ.
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Less dominant #1 tho..60 pts vs 80. and the middle of the Board wrs(such as WR 3s) start to be worth as much as RB2s. So if you PPR AND Flex then you get the desire effect of having more wide receivers played and not having to sit your 5th best player cause RB 3 is gonna score as many or more pts as your wr3.In post 378, mith wrote:The other issue, which was already discussed earlier in the thread, is that it's easy to say "look how much more this player I think is awesome is worth if I give him PPR", but the value to a fantasy team is relative to others at the position. Your hypothetical Kamara-who-can't-run is worth about the same in PPR relative to Gurley, for example (basically, Gurley would have been even more of a dominant number 1 last year). Fakamara would of course be drafted higher in PPR than in non-PPR, but at the expense of hypothetical guy-who-can't-catch that put up 826 yards rushing and 5 TDs. PPR does, obviously, enhance the value of certain players, but hurts others, and doesn't do a whole lot to the overall "balance" of the draft (in terms of positions taken and size of tiers) outside maybe shifting WR1s up the overall board.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.- PJ.
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Also this is not what I'm taking about. I'm talking about the Jet Sweep specifically which is going to turn a handful of "rush" attempts into "pass" attempts more and more as the year goes on.In post 390, mith wrote:But what you're talking about (getting credit for short passes in the air which go for big gains after the catch)Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.- PJ.
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I juse want him to drop fitz.In post 449, Kmd4390 wrote:
We should avatar bet on itIn post 448, PJ. wrote:Jameis is probably gonna start, despite the success.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.- PJ.
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I definitely didn't start goff.In post 457, PokerFace wrote:Meh, I think Andy and Fitz will still be good this week. You really can't fault yourself this early until you see how well your alternative to Cousins plays. I think only way you can fault yourself is if you are against Goff or didn't start GoffSometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.- PJ.
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I'm in one of your leagues, and I'd call this an exaggeration.In post 496, Kmd4390 wrote:My matchups in all four of my leagues will be decided by tonight's game.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.- PJ.
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And I'll still get the 8th pick =(.In post 521, Rob14 wrote:I can't wait for next year when we get a video of Luke and Zoe fighting to the death to see who gets to pick the draft order.
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