Overkill 2: A Blood-Thirsty Stallone Themed Game

[Toogeloo]

I am reporting that I have a negative utility to town.
I can ONLY hammer, and if I place a vote that isn't the hammer, I will be modkilled.

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I will openly claim now as well. I am

THE

Sylvester Stallone. I am not one of his characters he's played, but the actual person as my role. As the actual person, I must have final say in the lynch," i.e. I can only hammer. Don't ask why the mod chose to make my role and flavor as it is, I don't know. Don't ask me to vote if it's not the hammer, it won't happen.

[Toogeloo]

I feel almost like a new father with Malakitten now being Malakitty.

Also, I have no input on the shitposting from the first two pages.

[Toogeloo]

I feel like we're "arm wrestling to win a truck so we can take care of our kid" Stallone here.

And no ... that's not a crumb, lol.

Whether or not true, that wouldn't even be a crumb but a full on claim of flavor anyways .

Just from my own assumption, I doubt flavor even matters since we are all incarnations of Stallone, which means that Lincoln Hawk could be mafia or town, or SK, or whatever else hell the mod decided to go with. However, if I were to be a mod with Lincoln Hawk as a flavor, it'd be perfect for a "Strongman" claim I think (or at least some kind of "Strong Arm" role) .
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That notion above aside, I'm not really liking that R-Cerb-R patted someone on the back for good investigative journalism in pointing out that Cerb isn't acting like himself. Read like, "Oops, they noticed, but we'll cover our tracks."

Hurt: RR

[Toogeloo]

So it looks like everyone is still joke posting

Does scum joke post more or less than town?

I know it's rhetorical, but I think that when I roll scum I tend to joke less because I'm trying to be super serious townie.

[Toogeloo]

I am reporting that I have a negative utility to town.
I can ONLY hammer, and if I place a vote that isn't the hammer, I will be modkilled.

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I will openly claim now as well. I am

THE

Sylvester Stallone. I am not one of his characters he's played, but the actual person as my role. As the actual person, I must have final say in the lynch," i.e. I can only hammer. Don't ask why the mod chose to make my role and flavor as it is, I don't know. Don't ask me to vote if it's not the hammer, it won't happen.

A50 has to be trolling you. Why do you get the crazy roles that sound like a complete LIE but that nobody would ever fake claim...

Except this time A50 said there will be fake claims.

I still believe you though.. also I think you have a high chance of killing yourself anyway. This is based on me not trusting myself to not die with a role like that, I project the same level of human error potential on you.

Yeah, I'm getting Overkill 1 vibes of the trollish kind. It'd be nice for everyone not to die to my "power role."

[Toogeloo]

Singleball: 6-8, maybe 9
Multiball, probably 8-10
That doesn’t include 3ps FYI

I highly doubt single ball just because that's not really Overkill and it'd be hard to justify having a rule in place to limit faction deaths per cycle in a single ball game of this size. Game is over 25% bigger than Overkill 1, so my guess is slightly tweaked upgrade of the first game, which would mean probably two factions of 4 players, and one or two SKs... maybe a couple vigilantes for good killing measure.

[Toogeloo]

Or other roles that could potentially kill under certain circumstances.

I typically consider any town killing role as a vigilante for all intents and purposes, including the Vengeful we had in the first game.

[Toogeloo]

My role kind of deincentivizes me to do any real hunting today. Using the "Hurt" tag feels lame and without any real pressure anyways. I'll probably just be sheeping and looking for hammer opportunities.

[Toogeloo]

Holy shit, it's a real role...
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Actor

[Toogeloo]

We still in RVS?

[Toogeloo]

We still in RVS?

How about you vote for a wagon and we'll see

d'awww

You know, the nice thing about never playing more than one game at a time is that I don't forget what's going on in regards to me or other things I've been keeping tabs on. I'll almost assuredly never vote in this game until I am absolutely sure no voting shenanigans are afoot, and since I'm pretty well useless to the point of nearly being a Tree Stump, I'll likely be around a while. Problem is, the game gets hard to get invested in when you can't vote, so I found myself glazing over the last 3 pages or so and not really giving a fuck.

I'm mostly just curious how many "serious" votes there are out there, and how many are just sheeps and creeps.

[Toogeloo]

You have a vote restriction in your role pm?

Yeah, I'm only allowed to hammer. If I vote and don't hammer, I will be modkilled. ISO me, it's all there.

[Toogeloo]

Varsoon is just trying to catch the Mod in a lie about not lying when lying is necessary in mafia as a mod at times.

[Toogeloo]

Dramas take 2 to tango

Tango and Cash crumb.

[Toogeloo]

Ok prepare to be amazed:

{Farside/Alonzo, Fortain, Profii}
{Fish, Chick, Gamma, Hebichan, Pint, RCE, Tails, Varsoon, Wisdom, RR}
{Creature, Davesaz, Malakitty}
{BuJaber, Flavorleaf, Alchemist, Majiffy, Thor}
{Amzela, DrippingGoofball, DrewVa}

I'm amazed that I am so completely forgettable, I don't even get a null read.

I’ve said imma cop someone twice. Granted I fake PR on day 1 to get night killed

Ok prepare to be amazed:

{Farside/Alonzo, Fortain, Profii}
{Fish, Chick, Gamma, Hebichan, Pint, RCE, Tails, Varsoon, Wisdom, RR}
{Creature, Davesaz, Malakitty}
{BuJaber, Flavorleaf, Alchemist, Majiffy, Thor}
{Amzela, DrippingGoofball, DrewVa}

I'm amazed that I am so completely forgettable, I don't even get a null read.

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I’ve said imma cop someone twice. Granted I fake PR on day 1 to get night killed

I’m a cop you idiot

Why hard claim? You gave suitable chance for WIFOM by claiming softing and faking, and you either die or you don't. If you don't die, the WIFOM remains. If you do die, we find out anyways, and we can relate to your reasoning regardless.

For the record, I still find it hard to believe that anyone actually thinks day vigs are real until the flip happens. You ever get a Day Vig vote, just drop your reads list and wait it out.

[Toogeloo]

meh, I didn't mean to double post the first quote, but whatever.

... Also, I am totally team Drixx here in regards to the Nancy v. Drixx meanie contest. Short of someone being obscene, a bigot, or literally trolling to piss someone off, you should be prepared and put on your big boy/girl panties and know there will be slights against your character and playstyle in Mafia. I'd do the same in Drixx's shoes, and Nancy has a history of AtE, so it was a perfectly valid argument by Drixx.

[Toogeloo]

Ohhh I've just worked out Alonzo's crumbed flavour I think.

Is he Terminator 2 Stallone from Last Action Hero?

[Toogeloo]

[Toogeloo]

Toog prove your role and vote me

Vo-

-oh wait... I see what you're trying to do.

[Toogeloo]

Amzela, how good do you think you'd be at discerning Cerb as town or scum in forum based Mafia? Hopefully you don't talk about the game outside of the game, but do you get a sense that you can read him without actually seeing him? Is your only experience with Cerb in live versions of the game?

Also... you need an avatar.

[Toogeloo]

Ooh if Majiffy gets to L-1 I want the hammer.

Oh no... no you don't!

[Toogeloo]

Actually Toog can hammer since he's nerfed.

I should have finished reading before posting the above lol.

[Toogeloo]

Hey y'all...

BBL

[Toogeloo]

A maximum of FOUR players of the TOWN faction can die in the same cycle (D1/N1, D2/N2, etc). Similarly, a maximum of TWO players of any ANTI-TOWN faction can die in the same cycle.

I just realized this rule change from Overkill 1. I feel like that means town encompasses a lot more of the majority ratio than it did in the previous game. It also means that if there probably aren't as many third parties as there were in the first game.

Other than that, I'm feeling a lot of deja vu from the first game.

[Toogeloo]

Sorry, will go back about my own musings. Didn't mean to interrupt.

[Toogeloo]

hey Toog, what do you think about BUJ and his explanation for qhy you are more likely to be 3p than mafia?

Sure, why not. If he doesn't think I'm a threat, and doesn't want to Lynch me, great!

[Toogeloo]

I feel like there was a missed opportunity for a good laugh about "Bright Eyed and Bushy Tailed" when the two argued a few pages back.

4 more votes on Clem... chompin' at the bit here.

[Toogeloo]

Still think Toogs town but if he is then I really would like to / need to see some actual thoughts and solving from him, I get the whole "Can't vote, minimal influence on what's going on" type of thing particularly initially, but it's not something that can be maintained throughout the game like that at all and the longer it keeps going the weaker my read there is getting. Pretty much if you're town dude I need you to start playing the game soon.

Meh... I'll get to it if I'm still alive and we get under like 15ish players. For now, I'm cool just reading and vote counting.

[Toogeloo]

One more vote on Clem and I will hammer.

I don't have a read on Clem before anyone asks. I've mostly been skim milking this, but 14 other people can't really be wrong.

[Toogeloo]

Awesome... now I don't need to keep referring to page 92 to cross reference anyone trying to trick me and get me mod killed ^_^.

[Toogeloo]

Eh, the Lightening Rod role in Overkill 1, kind of fucked scum. I seriously doubt A50 tries it again in this game. So, some other reason or could be protectives, that would make the most sense.

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I'm feeling a lot of deja vu from the first game.

Twas me again! Not lightning rod this time, but slightly better.

I'm still an Actor, so no votes other than the Hammer for me, but the other half of my role is that I'm also a Director (I couldn't find it on the wiki). As an Actor, I can only hammer vote or be mod killed, but as a Director, I get a 1 use Global Doctor ability, which I used last night.



Even the mod got a laugh out of it.

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Don't expect much from me though since I probably won't get too vested in the game until smaller numbers due to my voting limitations. I'll be honest, I don't really have reads on anyone since I'm not putting a lot of effort into sorting people out at the moment.

Ta ta for now.

[Toogeloo]

Having played with Toog b4 I think this lurky do nothing attitude more resembles his town play than his scum play. Of course, there is the possibility that could ACT like this as scum so *shrug* .

You might have just gotten a town read out of me Nero! Considering how little effort I've put into the game, using meta to define my playstyle couldn't have possibly been there to win my affections, and it might actually be genuine concern for my well being .

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Davesaz is town if you think I'm town.

Masonry, or did you *hint-hint-wink-wink* them last night .

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Okay, I'm actually having doubts about the Global Doctor part

I'm not about to abate your paranoia. You do what you think is best.

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2. Is testable if toog votes right now.

No... no it's not. I will be

MODKILLED

if I vote and it's not the hammer. Nice try though.

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No promises, but I'll 'try' to be a bit more helpful, but here's hoping that last night's death reprieve was more beneficial in regards to results people were hoping for (other than callous murderers).

[Toogeloo]

Go ahead and get modkilled then.

You claimed your only positive utility was your one shot full doctor.

You are basically just a worse vt now.

VOTE: toog

So you think I'm town, but still deserving of a vote? Ok. Honestly though, if people really want me dead, this is absolutely the best phase to do it since we lynched scum day 1 and I stopped all the kills Night 1. Think of it as a get out of paranoia jail free card. You'd probably be doing me a favor too.

But I am not going to modkill myself. That's just stupid. I'll ask mod, but every time I've seen modkills happen, the player modkilled can no longer win the game because they are turned into a neutral party.

[Toogeloo]

So the real question is if you're town, and guaranteed to be the mislynch for today, why would you not make that vote so as to save your faction from spending a lynch on your slot?

I feel like you are smarter than this Cerb. Why would you think that any player would modkill themselves for the betterment of their team?

[Toogeloo]

Chick made two posts about me in a 100+ page Day 1? That's it?

[Toogeloo]

This just in. The mod has confirmed to me that I will die as a townie, and not neutral, if I were to vote and it not be the hammer, so long as it's not a tactical vote to manipulate the system. So it sounds as if I 'could' vote and leave you all with your thoughts, wishing you the best of luck. Day wouldn't end if I did vote and got mod killed too, so there it's not a total waste if I did vote right now.

I'll let you guys determine if that's something you think I should do, but I got other things I need to take care of in real life, so I'll be back later.

[Toogeloo]

Actually, if I were to bow out now, I'd have done plenty to impact the game with my global protection last night, so I'm thinking it might be for the best.

Final thoughts before I go...
Nero seems town.
DrewVa seems town.
Wisdom seems town.
One or both of RR or Varsoon seems scummy.
Cerb's GF might be scum too from what I remember reading.
DGB and hebi are just dumb, but could be scum or town.

VOTE: Varsoon

[Toogeloo]

See you guys post game!

[Toogeloo]

[Toogeloo]

I take full responsibility for Town's loss. Sorry guys.

[Toogeloo]

This isn't Monopoly... it's Mafia. It's just a game.

[Toogeloo]

But if you roll scum, Creature, do you really play

[Toogeloo]

Toog is totally someone who'll just peace out of a game with no second thoughts, as they showed me in Heroes Wanted.

Meh, that's kind of an exception to the rule really. I replaced in as a favor with no intention of reading the entire game up to that point. My reads list was actually quite good, I just got rope a doped and it was intentional bussing through the entirety of numbers ISO. Since I hadn't done any reading, and all I had done was coast on a single ISO after a 150 page game, attempting to fight a lynch on me wasn't something I had the energy to do.

I'm not the type of player who typically replaces into games since I am more of a fluid reader. I get my best reads in the moments of when they and why they are posted, which is how I more or less got a 100% scum vote accuracy this game :p. I'll be honest, I had no intention of martyring myself going into the day phase. I intended on just reading and gathering thoughts. A game this size without being able to have a more fluid thought process with votes and engagement made me go for the more passive approach, but once A50 confirmed that I wouldn't become a neutral survivor upon being modkilled, I knew that removing myself as a distraction was the best course of action.

I can understand where you are coming from in that you think I did it too early, but to play Devil's Advocate, I'm fairly certain that your weak case was about the extent of any real content against my slot that was ever going to happen, and it would eventually devolve into a Policy Lynch. I felt it prudent to nip it in the bud early. My regret is that I didn't reinforce that my final reads were actually of fairly high confidence due to my style of play and not just some random thoughts I put down.

[Toogeloo]

My wiki is fairly complete with all my games. I actually have a pretty standard meta both town and scum, I'm just fortunate enough that, for as long as I've been here, people still don't really know me or my playstyle.

[Toogeloo]

In my defense, the idea behind me trying to experiment with these N1 global protectives was highlighted by Varsoon earlier in this thread (on post-game). You sign up for a game and you are excited to play and you get whacked on N1 so you don't play at all. That sucks.

You should look up Hypnotist Mafia on my wiki. It had a Night 0 in which the mafia team killed MagnaOfIllusion before the game even started. Talk about really getting your hopes up only to have them squashed.

[Toogeloo]

I'm totally in to play Overkill 3 where I roll the Global Roleblocker role.