mini 2048: more songs (game ougre)

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VOTE: Wagonomics
I had to do it.

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WAGONS
Doughboy
Nikk
LolWagons
Trivium
Wagonomics
Egix96
profii
Sashaddin
Robert2424
xwing
TheGoldenParadox
Flubbernugget
Lapsa
VALUE
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125
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175
50
75
125
75
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75

1. Why are you giving yourself such a high value?

2. Profii only has a short ISO yet the highest rating. Are you reading from meta or is it something I missed?

3. I kinda like LolWagons ISO, why a rating so high?

I'll post more tonight, time for dinner and I watch my kids all evening.

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@sasha: what do you think of gp and nikk slots?

GP:
Posts 24 and 44 make a lot of sense. I agree that the X-wing vote was sneaky.
I can't make anything out of his current last post (47). Townlean

Nikk:
I hate post 56 but other than this one I sense a bit of slight townlean in his posts.

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Having caught up, I sense the better wagon here is Xwing. I feel the same thing as everyone who voted for him. My vote would put to L-2 if I count well, so I will hold off for a bit.
When I come back home I'll vote him if my mind hasn't changed or if someone hasn't posted something about him.

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@dough do you think xwing is a cop?

#113-#118 (they aren't all his, but that window) in his ISO...I mean, that's bad.

I mean 115 literally describes 117 and 118.

rules, adapted from nexus's

Nobody will be a cop, a psychologist, a ninja, or a traitor

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This question from Lapsa looks weird.

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Lapsa seems to have as much value as Xwing for me now. Going to sleep hoping I'll see more clear tomorrow.

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Having caught up, I sense the better wagon here is Xwing. I feel the same thing as everyone who voted for him. My vote would put to L-2 if I count well, so I will hold off for a bit.
When I come back home I'll vote him if my mind hasn't changed or if someone hasn't posted something about him.

What happened to this?

Lapsa seems to have as much value as Xwing for me now. Going to sleep hoping I'll see more clear tomorrow.

I saw some things that made me reconsider xwing a bit and consider Lapsa more. I didn't want to vote when super-tired, it made a very bad result in my last game. Got lynched real quick day 1, as a VT even. I helped no one.

Did you really want that L-2 on xwing right now?

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Well I was hoping no one would specifically point that piece out because if people want to think there's a cop when there's not, that would typically benefit town, but you went and blew it.

Sorry dude. I did not think of the consequences as deep as you did. How does it help town? (Not a trick question, I just want to be educated)

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We're 10 pages deep and I feel we've only been superficial so far. I have two people on my town lean list, two on a scum lean and the rest as null....
Townlean: LolWagons and Nikk
Scumlean: Xwing and Lapsa

I hate voting when I'm not too sure, so I won't take xwing to L-2. I think Lapsa and his one-liners need more pressure than xwing right now. What was that dayvig thing anyways?

UNVOTE: Wagonomics (rvs)
VOTE: Lapsa

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I’m kind of fucking with ya. But the idea is if the rules say no cops but someone doesn’t know there’s always a small chance they would fake claim cop for an easy lynch.

I never think of the possible dumb moves. I'm too cartesian I guess.

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Interesting, I've never heard this before. Can you provide a source?

I guess it means town has less pages to read through to try to find the scum bits, meaning it is more effective. My 2 cents.

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I do have reasons not to vote Lapsa.

Something you can share right now or later, or won't at all??

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One of these days I’m going to steal your pagetop

I love the mod so far, lots of vote counts on top of pages. Clean and effiicient.

: )

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I find it hard to believe Robert from 2012 has never seen a lolwagon. Hell we have a player named after them. lol wagons happen in rvs and that’s what took place. I appreciate his attempt to look at the wagon for scum, however I feel if he were town he’d try to converse more with the naked voters. I don’t even think he said anything about the fact that he called out naked voters and then I intentionally naked vote. I don’t see any sort of curiosity coming from him, which probably means he’s more informed than I.

I'm ISOing Doughboy and realized I had skipped this one. I like it.
+Town

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you can have your dollar back. I like your style

Thanks. I actually thought the positive comment was the first one. I didn't get the expression right I guess.

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why the hesitancy to put my slot to L-2? i certainly dont mind..you can put it to L-1 even..

I wasn't confident enough about your scumminess. When in doubt, I vote more easily when the wagon is light.

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@lolwagons can you elaborate on what "chainsawing" means? i didnt understand that..

Jumping in as player C to defend player B from player A.

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and fuck those guys, they are dorks anyway

Yeah, F them.... wait, who?

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3. not sure what waffling means..if i dont have follow up questions, maybe that's because i was

Changing opinion from A to B on a whim, without apparent reason

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Lapsa, you would be the bottom of the list, you remind me of another player who doesn't really add anything to the game. From odd explanations to sometimes out right ignoring some of my questions,

I have to lean scum with you

. though if you somehow flip town, you've proven to be a distraction. I can't really find a post that feels town either. Hince why my vote is here, plus you were late on the no substance wagon as I like to call it. However, do I think you should be lynched D1? Its a hard question.

Robert's 245 has no scum reads in it.

hmmm, flubber might actually be town..

Not much, but I want to correct 292.

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@xwing: Reading your ISO, I get that Robert is a scum or null for you. Is this why you make that comment about Flubber?

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how are you reading robert's slot? how about flubber's?
also, are you still scum reading my slot?

1. Trying to decipher that slot is hell. I don't see much AI stuff, but I like the fact he's on Lapsa as I am. I think I know why some feel him scum though. The bottom 3 lines of post 178 mitigate that feeling for me.

2. 283 never had a follow-up so it's bad. From the little I can see, he could be town as I have the same townreads in 149. It could be either with this one really.

3. Nah, you're clean now.

My homework wasn't the easiest one... tough slots to read. Well it seems mostly everyone is hard to read this game.

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Are you normally this aggressive when scum?

Is TGP your top scum read again? I'd like you on my wagon...

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I might not get the post up tonight. Xwing's re-entry into the game hasn't really

reinforced my reads

like I thought it would.

Of just him or of other players too?

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why do you think lapsa is scummy, sasha?
what made you clear me?
what do you think about gp?

1. 17 33 58 Seeks Trivium's lynch but doesn't vote him. Weird.
125. If he cares about his meta so much I see it more scummy than towny. Wants to hide tells or something.
118 is either a mistake or a trap. Null or scummy, I don't see this as possibly towny.
From 346 and up... not much to read into.
I also don't sense the feeling of curiosity in his posts, look at his ISO. That's a strong tell to me.

Not a strong scum read I agree but it's the strongest I have right now.

2. The above-mentioned curiosity and the way you came back from your week-end.

3. Good reads in 241and 244
Got ticked by Doughboy's comment <- I have played once with DB and think this is normal from him. By reacting, TGP gets townpoints from me.
I don't see much else to say for him. Town for me.

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@sash

last game I voted claimed vig

118 is a trap indeed

Good to know i read it right, thanks for the confirmation!

Do you think such traps are more likely to come from town or scum? (and why?)

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@trivium I find you underwhelming

Something we agree on.

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half right with leopard.

Lynx?

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I don’t like the Wagonomics account, I think it’s a cute idea being poorly executed, and the reads aren’t anything particularly insightful. The Lapsa vote is kind of bad, to be honest, and I’m not even a fan of Lapsa.

His other accounts are more serious and while on them he produces good reads and is a good player. Unless he's not the guy I think, but I'm almost certain, way more than 50%.

What's so bad about his vote? I'm not following you.

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I mean it’s based on a meta of voting frequency...in a single game...that’s a really bad reason to vote for someone on page what. 15ish?

Makes sense.

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@Lol: You voted TGP in post 40, never unvoted and kept tunneling him. Did you consider another suspect, who, why, ....?

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I’ve read the end of #430 about 12 times and don’t see how it isn’t a scumslip.

By faking distancing you mean?

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My current interest is in LapsaCoin, and this is where I am re-allocating for now. While NikkCoin might have slightly more value, LapsaCoin seems to have more investors, and my vote on Nikk has been "vanity" for too long at this point. There is something I noticed about LapsaCoin's representative. In reviewing her marketing in a previous game, I noticed that she very rarely unvotes.

Here, she has unvoted many times

. I am not totally sure this makes her a high value investment, but I am curious whether her strategy for early game has changed for reasons I cannot anticipate.

BUY VOTE: LapsaCoin

UNVOTE:

"Naked unvote"

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so what do you think the unvoting means Sasha?

I was trying to see a connection between the bolded part and the unvote. The only good reason I could find is to create some FoSing, some distancing between those two slots. If not, I don't think there is a reason and Lapsa just changes ideas often this game.

What's your opinion of Lapsa and LolWagons, Profii?

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@X
#374 is fairly blatantly driving a counterwagon
#376 felt a bit like fishing for my opinion on the TGP wagon without actually being upfront and asking
#445 felt a bit like low-key shade. And although I’ve pushed for the GP wagon since early, I’ve engaged with most of the other players. Tunneling is a stretch.

#446 is really weird because he didn’t really read TGP as scum (at least not as much as Lapsa) and yet he still picked up the distancing thing before anyone really said it. I just find it odd if his focus wasn’t on TGP and noticed it, and if he picked up on it like that and acknowledged it as fake distancing why not realize maybe the TGP lynch is better? Feels like TMI.

374. Agreed
376. The others weren't TGP in particular, just the set of other players.
445. Sorry if you felt shade, I just noticed your vote being static all this time, and that's what I thought tunneling meant; now I know it's interaction-related and not vote-related.
446. Well I'm trying to solve the game, ain't I? I like to put myself in other's places for this and this is what I found. If I were scum I'd have kept silent on this... And no I don't read TGP as scum, and I'm fully aware of what it could mean for me tomorrow.

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VOTE: robert

You ended Day 1 not voting, why a naked vote on Robert today this soon?

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VOTE: robert

You ended Day 1 not voting, why a naked vote on Robert today this soon?

to let you know that currently I would rather see robert lynched than wagonomics

I agree with you, but you're still on my watch list.

VOTE: Robert

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I thought about either Trivium-Robert or Lapsa-Wagonomics. I'm less and less sure about those first, so

VOTE: Wagonomics

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^^L-1

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I do encourage you to look at Sashaddin's town games and show me an example of him jumping from one leading wagon to another on d2.

and Sashaddin is playing pretty differently than his town meta tbh.

Yes, I'm playing much differently, you know me very well. I'm going for a week in Cancun, Mexico from the 9th to the 16th of January and I don't want to replace out. So I'm more speedy than my usual self, contrary to my meta.
10/10 on your evaluation. I'm town though.

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Sasha you're fine even if you rolled scum here

Didn't sense no wind in my direction!

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@Wagon: Something you said pinged me once and I was hesitant, and now you said again so now I'm hesitant on you.

UNVOTE: Wagonomics

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What a sudden surge of activity. I struggle with why this activity and play wasn't present last phase.

I always find Day1 dull as hell. No flips and all hypothesis.

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Is this the hammer?

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I thought he had soft-crumbed a role, that's why I pulled off.

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If Wagonomics is who i think it is given their hostility to me

I tried to crumb his identity in 440, but got no reaction. If I have it right I'm good.

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Lol guys that's not a hammer pay attention. I just had a long day and I want more scum dead. Lapsa better intent before I wake up or I'm going to have a stroke

1. 615 Nikk
2. 625 Trivium
3. 626 Egix96
4. 631 Robert2424
5. 633 Sashaddin

6. 655 Profii

7. 665 Sashaddin unvotes.

8. 666 Flubber

I think he's lynched, twice.

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the flubber kill, however, was very unexpected and safe i guess? so it's either flubber got a good read (e.g. scum robert), or he was just the unlucky recipient of the night kill..

We lynched a simple goon, they might have an investigative who would have probed Flubber on N1. But, why probe Flubber of all of us...

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I believe the ascetic claim, it pairs well with loyal attribute
I believe the voyeur claim, it pairs good to try to find out who the neighborizers are.
The setup might have been to grow a big neighbourhood who would have found the scum be elimination. Now that eventuality is gone me thinks.

Out of the 6 players remaining, I have Nikk and Trivium as town and the rest in the undecided pile, with Profii sticking his nose toward scum-side.

I will be traveling for two days, I should be back Saturday evening.

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wait sasha dont go yet..
by voyeur claim, do you believe it as TOWN or SCUM voyeur?
i think the setup is cool, but the PRs got killed so early before we could have a 'hood..
why is nikk town for you?

I was assuming a TOWN voyeur, it makes more sense in my hypothetical setup.
Nikk is town because of the gut feeling I get when reading his ISO. Calm while investigative on Day1, but not many posts in D2. Still a townread for me.
After reading their ISO, let's add both Profii and Lapsa on a scumlean. Lapsa ISO by itself is clean, but 650 and a fake didn't-count-the-votes claim by Profii to justify a hammer is possible. It was only an hour later... I might only be paranoid.

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I see Profii at 1 vote only (xwing). Adding mine.

VOTE: Profii

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I see Profii at 1 vote only (xwing). Adding mine.

VOTE: Profii

Because?

Ps come up with something more than “that accidental vote” please

I think the cat walked over my keyboard yesterday. More seriously, it was because of your "error" and the general end of Day 2. The Day 3 has looked a bit better on you, I must admit.

UNVOTE: Profii

See you guys in 48 hours.