Overkill 2: A Blood-Thirsty Stallone Themed Game

[DrewVa]

Has any noticed that the 4 kill nights are alternating

Night 1 is an exception due to Toog and his global doctor
2 = 2 kills
3 = 4 kills
4 = 2 kills
5 = 4 kills

So I am guessing our non-scum Killers are odd night

So now we have DrewVa suggesting scum might be gone, where tomorrow she can go “look see, only 2 kills” - given no one has mentioned it so far

So SK kills are only odd nights? Well if there are no kills tonight and we lynch the last underdog, then that would mean that Mafia is dead, right?

[DrewVa]

I'm suggesting mafia COULD be gone based on setup spec.

VOTE: dgb just gonna assume profii is trying to piss me off at this point

I'm just going to ignore all of his results from now on since clearly he cares more about pissing me off with reaction tests

You get exactly one and then your credibility is gone profii so hope you got a lot out of it -d

[DrewVa]

maybe of note is that RR kill has the hit and run flavor (like nero)
and thor kill has the back alley flavor (like creature)

yeah if varsoon was last maf then his kill flavor would still have gone through so that doesn't help us resolve the issue at hand if he was last of kin -d

[DrewVa]

I’ve no idea

You’re the one suggesting Mafia is gone not me

If SK can’t kill tonight and we lynch Underdog and no kills, then it would seem so but that would depend on how many groupscum there are but on the basis of balance, it makes sense for there to be 3 Underdogs to 2 Mafia, given that the Underdogs are all goons. I obviously could be wrong about that.

So, you didn’t cop anyone last night, since you already got a “no results” on Flavor N1, or did you check someone else?

So could Bujaber be the last Underdog?

So, if you’re right about the odd-night SK thing, then FL can’t be groupscum but could be SK. And therefore, to try to stop any kills tonight, we should try to lynch whomever is most likely to be the last Underdog?

[DrewVa]

maybe of note is that RR kill has the hit and run flavor (like nero)
and thor kill has the back alley flavor (like creature)

But Thor was self-aligned bomber who died as a result of mistakenly bombing town - I’m guessing RR, since that makes more sense than Thor mistaking Pint for scum.

[DrewVa]

there arent just 2 mafia in a 26p game nancy
Its most likely 3 and 3

do he gave one faction straight up stronger roles?

like there is nothing in a 3p scum team that makes up for gf + rber

like is this setup just flat imbalanced for different mafia factions or what then? -d

[DrewVa]

I’m an investigative. I got all of Alonzo’s Vanilla Cop results, and I became an alignment cop after he died.

I got a guilty on Bujaber.

VOTE: Bujaber

you have one post to confirm this isn't a reaction test or I'm siding with scum

profii has already exhausted my willingness to fuck around for today

-d

[DrewVa]

there arent just 2 mafia in a 26p game nancy
Its most likely 3 and 3

But the Underdogs are all goons vs. PR Mafia.

So, probably the remaining kills are SKs.

If lynch last Underdog and no kills, we will no that there’s only SKs left in the game, if Profil’s odd-night SK theory is true.

[DrewVa]

so bujaber is "not vanilla"?

-d

[DrewVa]

I’m an investigative. I got all of Alonzo’s Vanilla Cop results, and I became an alignment cop after he died.

I got a guilty on Bujaber.

VOTE: Bujaber

you have one post to confirm this isn't a reaction test or I'm siding with scum

profii has already exhausted my willingness to fuck around for today

-d

Yeah, I have a guilty on Bujaber.

He was an amnesiac Vanilla cop, so you either get vanilla or non-vanilla, right?

[DrewVa]

so bujaber is "not vanilla"?

-d

No. He’s Mafia.

I only got Alonzo’s Vanilla results, which is why i was trying not to get shot until after I was able to get my own target.

Doesn’t not vanilla=PR?

[DrewVa]

Flavor Leaf is capable of gambiting this as scum but this is way more believable than his pgo nonsense -d

[DrewVa]

so tails is either vt or goon?

Wait, no Tails wasn’t vanilla.

It’s also why I started to expect Tails knew stuff when I pushed him. I learned he wasn’t vanilla.

So Bujaber and Tails are scum but you don’t know what kind?

[DrewVa]

Doesn’t not vanilla=PR?

not vanilla could mean he's what he claimed in his first post, i.e. third party bulletproof

which was itself very nearly a scum claim and I still don't think there's a jester in this setup, I just took it as normal d1 shenanigans atm tho

-d

pedit: his result does not indicate tails is confscum just "not vanilla" which was already very likely given his first post of the game

[DrewVa]

if there's still underdogs and sk is this just already lost for town or what? -d

[DrewVa]

I really wish you would have went me last night, Profii.

Bujaber is not Underdog, either.

so tails is either vt or goon?

Wait, no Tails wasn’t vanilla.

It’s also why I started to expect Tails knew stuff when I pushed him. I learned he wasn’t vanilla.

So Bujaber and Tails are scum but you don’t know what kind?

Idk if tails is scum. He’s just not Vanilla. Bujaber is scum.

Tails was a target by Alonzo, not me. I got a 1 shot ability after Alonzo died.

So Bujaber is Mafia?

So, then there’s still one more Underdog out there. :/

[DrewVa]

Can you fucking stop with the million posts of theory posting, it's really anti town and really annoying. You don't have to post every thought in the thread, especially as a hydra when both heads are doing it at the same time. You have the most posts in the game, by a large margin and have helped town in the game one of the least.

Step back, stop spam posting and take more time to think about things, then come back and post your thoughts once you've had time to actually think through them

if we're at 6-1-1-1-1 then this game isn't worth paying attention to at this point anyway so I'll just let nancy take over.

Also you being both condescending and whiny doesn't turn you into a bag of cherries either, fam -d

[DrewVa]

I really wish you would have went me last night, Profii.

Bujaber is not Underdog, either.

so tails is either vt or goon?

Wait, no Tails wasn’t vanilla.

It’s also why I started to expect Tails knew stuff when I pushed him. I learned he wasn’t vanilla.

So Bujaber and Tails are scum but you don’t know what kind?

Idk if tails is scum. He’s just not Vanilla. Bujaber is scum.

Tails was a target by Alonzo, not me. I got a 1 shot ability after Alonzo died.

So Bujaber is Mafia?

So, then there’s still one more Underdog out there. :/

Yeah, Bujaber is Mafia. I imagine there’s one more underdog. Should we aim for the underdog today, or go my guilty? Going for 3rd party is also solid.

We can try to find the last Underdog too but since Mafia are PRs and Underdogs are goons, probably lynching the guilty PR groupscum/Mafia, would be our best bet.

And based on Profil’s odd night SK kill theory, killing groupscum today > 3Ps.

[DrewVa]

VOTE: Bujaber

[DrewVa]

Also nancy or drewva or whichever of you it is.. how can you still have me as null?

With the thor flip I proved to be the one correct about your personality and he was trying to shade us both by misrepresenting my arguments about you.

You weren’t correct about my personality but you were about my alignment.

And Thor flipped town, so how does this argument even make any sense?

[DrewVa]

if you all would remember: I was right about varsoon.. he wasn't reading the thread properly and kept misrepresenting people and pushing me for baseless reasons. Now I'm supposedly "mafia" which was varsoon's alignment?
yeah right.

In fairness, that is basic distancing.

I'm waiting to hear how FL inherited this role, as I think he is gambitting but I'm not saying you're not scum yet either

I think FL is telling the truth, based on gut read, he sounds more credible than Bujaber.

[DrewVa]

According to a working theory I have on how to identify town!Gamma, this ISO is coming up a big negative.

Did I mention that Gamma's ISO comes up not town according to a work-in-progress method I have for reading him? Giving full details would reduce the usability of the tell, but I can say there is something specific lacking from his game which has been present the past several times I've seen him as town.

No way is Davesaz, Underdog.

[DrewVa]

votecount

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

BuJaber (5):	Wisdom (4075),	Flavor Leaf (4099),	Fortian (4137),	DrewVa (4138),	profii (4161),
Not voting (5):	BuJaber,	Tails,	davesaz,	DrippingGoofball,	Amzela,

(expired on 2018-12-28 05:45:00) remain.

Spoiler: mobile-friendlier

BuJaber (5):

Wisdom (4075), Flavor Leaf (4099), Fortian (4137), DrewVa (4138), profii (4161),

Not voting (5):

BuJaber, Tails, davesaz, DrippingGoofball, Amzela,

According to Profil, there are likely 2 SKs in this game.

Us/Profil/Wisdom/FL are not amongst them.

Tails/Amzela? I guess DGB, possibility but they sound more neutral 3P than SK.

[DrewVa]

Yeah there's not a world where Daves with Gamma/Chick given he's pushed both pretty strongly at times, was one of the bigger helps in getting Chicka lynched D1.

Pretty sure FL is just always town and legitimate here. Also we're a wasted investigation, can effectively self-confirm tomorrow if need be, wouldn't mind some confirmation that Wisdom is town here.

@Profii - Just 100% confirming that your result is that Amzela isn't any form of group scum here, right?

So Profil got an inno on Amzela?

[DrewVa]

@Profil, could you please elaborate more on your odd-night SK kill theory?

[DrewVa]

Fortian, probably town here as well.

@Fortian, Profil did some VCA that had Wisdom and us, voting similarly. If Wisdom is scum here, he’s accomplishing it by playing against his wincon.

[DrewVa]

Longest time between L-1 and hammer, ever.

[DrewVa]

you're hardclaiming ascetic?

/misunderstanding roles again

-d

[DrewVa]

FL continues to lie. He could not have targetted me even if he tried.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

@Nancy - I don't think I'm wrong about your personality if I got your alignment right. Your continuing misunderstanding of so many roles and flips in this game is scummy just as an exsmple but based on your passionate arguments with so many players here in the I've concluded that you're town because you felt very different than overkill 1.
Thor had a different and conditional wincon and had a wild shot. He wasn't town. He was 3p.

Why couldn’t FL have targeted you?

No, it’s not “scummy”. Anyone who knows my meta, knows that’s 100% NAI for me. Thor may have been 3P but his wincon, was nevertheless pro-town. So, that isn’t a valid argument.

Wrt my “passionate arguments”, this is the first time you’ve said that. You said I was town for my “confidence”, iirc?

And that isn’t AI for me at all. I knew I was eventually doomed in Overkill 1 and I was going to be lynched eventually, that’s why I wasn’t confident. I was pretty confident in Heroes Wanted, so only the “passionate argument” thing, is actually a good reason for townreading me. I also never fake my emotions as any alignment. So, ATEing, derping, confidence, are all 100% NAI for me.

In Overkill 1, you were very different. I have felt something was off about your posting from early into the game.

I feel FL is being very genuine here and having played with town!him in YGM, I feel fairly confident, that he is also town here.

[DrewVa]

No and I have no interest in full claiming. You either believe me over FL based on my play throughout the game or you don't. I know most of you don't know me well but I've been scumhunting very well and it shows.

You’re at L-1, I think you need to full claim here. Ye?

So, if you are asetic, you need to claim it now.

[DrewVa]

Passionate argument with people about your cases does come off as very confident. The two are closely related. If you think I'm talking about AtE then I'm sorry for using the wrong words. AtE is never AI just because it's AtE. There's town AtE and scum AtE.

How was I different in overkill 1? If you think I was then you have to expand your view of my meta. This is only the 2nd time you've seen my town game.

I know that FL didn't target anyone. That's all you need to know

No, you need to explain WHY, if you want to get votes off of you.

Alchemist21 was town tracker, so how would you know that? Based on Clem fake claim, we also no. that there’s no motion detector in this game either.

So, I don’t believe there are 2 town trackers in this game.

[DrewVa]

As for N3, we had Two additional deaths; Alch & Alonzo.

Alchemist21 was...

Spoiler:

You are "Barney Ross" (from: The Expendables

2010

and follow ups). As a

Town Tracker

you are tasked with finding some baddies and exposing them before the whole town ends up in the graveyard.

Obviously this means you have the standard win con of the Town; which is to eliminate all evil to get your win. GOOD LUCK

"I got a feeling everyone else passed on this job."
"I didn't come after you, dipshit! I came for HER!"

Now just PM me back with your role so I know you understand it and are up for the task.

and...

Alonzo was...

Spoiler:

You are "Deke DaSilva" (from: Nighthawks

1981

). As a conservative street cop; your powers are limited and your investigation reports are not yours to announce.

In other words, you're an

Amnesiac Vanilla Cop

who's investigation results are received and handled by "someone else", so just do your duty and leave it for your superiors to decide what to do with the results.

Deke DaSilva

: Lieutenant? I just got these latest transfer orders from the Captain.

Lt. Munafo

: Yeah, don't sing me any operas. I'm not feeling well right now and I'm in a bad mood.

Deke DaSilva

: I'm not gonna sing any operas. I'm talking about these transfer orders. Come on, Munafo. I've been working Decoy for nine years and now I'm pulled and I'd like to know why.

Lt. Munafo

: Hey, don't start with me. It's Lieutenant. You don't know me well enough to call me Munafo. But I know you, DaSilva. The gung-ho Lone Ranger of the street crime unit. Well, you can forget about that because we've been asked to cooperate with a special federal/state unit, and we will. You and Fox have been assigned to an ATAC unit.

Obviously

you are aligned with the Town

and have the standard win con of eliminating all evil to get your win. GOOD LUCK.

Now PM me back with your role so I know you understand it and are up for the task.

@Bujaber, you should have checked all the flips, before you softed this.

[DrewVa]

Someone hammer. If I'm lying I'm lock scum, and you can kill me tomorrow.

Anyone who can, hasn’t posted yet.

[DrewVa]

These were the flips of the 4 found corpses

Nero Cain was ...

Spoiler:

You are "Lincoln Hawk" (from: Over the Top

1987

). Although this town is crime infested you are more concerned about winning back your son and winning at the world arm wrestling championships. You're a trucker though, so that must count for something.

OK, you are a

Bus Driver

aligned with the Town. With some good skill and reads you can very much sway this game Town's way, or you can severly demolish all it's chances to eliminate this evil.

"What I do is I just try to take my hat and I turn it around, and it's like a switch that goes on. And when the switch goes on, I feel like another person, I feel, I don't know, I feel like a... like a truck. Like a machine."

"All I can say is I made a mistake. I know that. You know, sometimes that happens in life. We all make mistakes, but it won't happen again."

As always; you win when all threats to town have been eliminated. GOOD LUCK.

Now just PM me back with your role so I know you understand it and are up for the task.

Malakitty was ...

Spoiler:

You are "Marion Cobretti" (from: Cobra

1986

). You are a tough-on-crime street cop, and you must protect the innocents from all the violence that has plagued this town.

You thus are a

non-weak

Elite Body Guard

aligned with the Town. Your job is to die for the cause, so let's hope you don't die defending the wrong person, but even if you do; chances are you're taking another bad guy with you.

"I don't deal with psychos. I put them away."

You have the standard win con of the Town; which is to eliminate all evil to get your win. GOOD LUCK.

Now just PM me back with your role so I know you understand it and are up for the task.

CheekyTeeky was ...

Spoiler:

I dunno what to say. You are "Stud/The Italian Stallion" (from: The Party at Kitty and Stud's

1970

). All you need to know is it was an X-rated flick, so with no further ado: You're a

Mafia Roleblocker

).

Kitty

: Someday you'll be known as the Italian Stallion.

Stud

: Let's get high.

You win when you've eliminated all competition and have gained control over the town.

Now how about you PM me back with your role so I know you understand it and are up for the task.

P.S. Just in case you need a fake claim at any point; you may claim "Robert Rath" (from: Assassins

1995

). You are a

Jack Of All Trades

(One Roleblock, One Cop, One Doctor), and if challenegd for the abilities you may point out that those are the abilities of a JOAT from the Great Idea Mafia page and even claim you asked me the same and that this was my response.

"Sure. And after that, if you don't mind, I'd like to go to the hospital."

Creature was ...

Spoiler:

You are "Freddy Heflin" (from: Cop Land

1997

). As the Sheriff of a suburban New Jersey community, populated by New York City police officers, you slowly discover the town is a front for mob connections and corruption.

You are thus a

Watcher

and you need to try and find some crime perpetrators before the whole town is subverted and taken over by the mobs.

"I look at this town, and I don't like what I see."

Obviously

you are aligned with the Town

and have the standard win con of eliminating all evil to get your win. GOOD LUCK.

PM me back with your role so I know you understand it and are up for the task.

Bujaber, lying when everyone can verify it, isn’t helping your cause here.

[DrewVa]

Since you need it spelled out.

JK.

N1: RCE
N2: RR
N3: DGB
N4: FL

Okay, I’ll bite (not that I really have any other choice rn).

Tell me what all there NAs were. Who did each of them visit?

[DrewVa]

Woooow ..that was so hard to figure out.. the soft was right in front of you

Alchemist21 flipped town tracker. I am not going to believe you over a confirmed dead townie.

[DrewVa]

If scum kill me instead of wasting their shot on my planned target I blame you

It will be tough but I think I will manage to find a way to live with that.

[DrewVa]

I'm not the one lying... just wait for someone who understands the flips verifies.

Pedit: JK is jailkeeper

Okau, good claim. Why them?

But N1 had global doc, so,RCE check isn’t confirmable.

UNVOTE:

For now

[DrewVa]

TIL tracker is the only investigative in the game.

Well, why did you say this, when it’s obviously untrue?

But I need you to explain why you JK them. Thanks.

[DrewVa]

You wanna know why that's confirmed to be a lie on his part.

I had been claiming that my role allowed me to kill, or to kill people who targeted me.

As town, there's zero reason for him to target me in the first place.

That is true.

[DrewVa]

...?

My role allows me to pick my own flavor if someone dies because of my role. I have a two part role, one that requires me to have a targeting mechanic, and one that happens passively after something happens. I don’t know when, if that occurs, or if it has occurred already.

The death implies that this passively has happened already, because I didn’t target said player who died with my flavor.

[DrewVa]

FL, can you explain again how you got a “Mafia” result on Bujaber?

[DrewVa]

...?

My role allows me to pick my own flavor if someone dies because of my role. I have a two part role, one that requires me to have a targeting mechanic, and one that happens passively after something happens. I don’t know when, if that occurs, or if it has occurred already.

The death implies that this passively has happened already, because I didn’t target said player who died with my flavor.

That was part of the one same claim I made earlier.

Is it possible after BEF flip, he realized you didn’t have a PGO?

Have you ever faked any guilties as either alignment?

[DrewVa]

I targeted him, and got Mafia. I had one shot of this after Alonzo died.

Well, Profil already confirmed you can’t be groupscum and I don’t understand why anyone bothers JKing DGB.

And I think Bujaber JKing you specifically, is strange choice.

Can both you and Bujaber flavour claim (no pun intended)?

I just find it convenient that he happens to target you.

[DrewVa]

@Dave - you've played the most games with me here. Have I faked a guilty as scum before? Like, we know I've done stuff like that as town, but I'm genuinely confused as to whether or not I have faked a guilty as scum. Any games you remember where I have...?

I think I've claimed like soft guilties on people. I like to use Loyal in my fake claims. It's safer.

I asked as either alignment because I’ve seen town do that to lynch a suspected scumread.

[DrewVa]

...?

My role allows me to pick my own flavor if someone dies because of my role. I have a two part role, one that requires me to have a targeting mechanic, and one that happens passively after something happens. I don’t know when, if that occurs, or if it has occurred already.

The death implies that this passively has happened already, because I didn’t target said player who died with my flavor.

That was part of the one same claim I made earlier.

Is it possible after BEF flip, he realized you didn’t have a PGO?

Have you ever faked any guilties as either alignment?

Hmm...yes.

And the annoying answer...I think I've only done it as town. A lot of times if I do this, I take it back, though. Like, I'll claim to have a watcher guilty, but at the end of the segment, I'll say I don't. I don't believe I've ever pushed a hard guilty and not backtracked besides in my early days on site, like 4 years ago.

I've fakeclaimed Mason with a Scum person, though. I was town.

I might have done it as scum, but I can't think of any game off the top of my head where I have in forum mafia.

Okay, so you’be never pushed through a hard guilty on anyone, as either alignment? Correct? Because I can check if you’re lying about this.

[DrewVa]

Flavor Leaf has not actually retracted right? -D

[DrewVa]

And @Bujaber - my role is tied to Alonzo...i got all his results. I don’t have the same role as him.

@Profii - After Alonzo died, I got a 1-shot ability. I also knew that I’d get a 1-shot ability once whatever role that was giving me info died.

When Alonzo died and flipped, I was like “oh, cool, that’s how i was getting this info.” Because all the information I got was given to right after end of night phase. I didn’t know it was Alonzo.

I got a true alignment shot basically. I believe I would have found out if he was SK.

so tails is either vt or goon?

Wait, no Tails wasn’t vanilla.

It’s also why I started to expect Tails knew stuff when I pushed him. I learned he wasn’t vanilla.

So Bujaber and Tails are scum but you don’t know what kind?

Idk if tails is scum. He’s just not Vanilla. Bujaber is scum.

Tails was a target by Alonzo, not me. I got a 1 shot ability after Alonzo died.

I really wish you would have went me last night, Profii.

Bujaber is not Underdog, either.

I’m an investigative. I got all of Alonzo’s Vanilla Cop results, and I became an alignment cop after he died.

I got a guilty on Bujaber.

VOTE: Bujaber

you have one post to confirm this isn't a reaction test or I'm siding with scum

profii has already exhausted my willingness to fuck around for today

-d

Yeah, I have a guilty on Bujaber.

He was an amnesiac Vanilla cop, so you either get vanilla or non-vanilla, right?

For the first three nights, yes. I have my own action now that alonzo is Dead.

so tails is either vt or goon?

Wait, no Tails wasn’t vanilla.

It’s also why I started to expect Tails knew stuff when I pushed him. I learned he wasn’t vanilla.

so tails is either vt or goon?

Wait, no Tails wasn’t vanilla.

so bujaber is "not vanilla"?

-d

No. He’s Mafia.

I only got Alonzo’s Vanilla results, which is why i was trying not to get shot until after I was able to get my own target.

I’m an investigative. I got all of Alonzo’s Vanilla Cop results, and I became an alignment cop after he died.

I got a guilty on Bujaber.

VOTE: Bujaber

you have one post to confirm this isn't a reaction test or I'm siding with scum

profii has already exhausted my willingness to fuck around for today

-d

Yeah, I have a guilty on Bujaber.

Pint Night 1. Tails Night 2. Gamma Night 3.

I knew Gamma was Vanilla, and for some reason thought he was conf town because of that yesterday.

Actually, I never did. I’m coming clean now. I’m town hardcore gambiting this game.

so you dont have anything to do with any of the kills?

Nope.

I’m an investigative. I got all of Alonzo’s Vanilla Cop results, and I became an alignment cop after he died.

I got a guilty on Bujaber.

VOTE: Bujaber

FL is definitely telling the truth about his role. I don’t believe he fakes this.

[DrewVa]

VOTE: Bujaber

[DrewVa]

VOTE: Bujaber

And Bujaber never explained his reasoning for his targets.

[DrewVa]

I've also never seen Bujaber AtE like this as scum but tbh your reads so far have been a lot better than mine Nancy so if you think we just go with FL's claim here then I'm onboard

I feel like I did with Gamma, but then Gamma flipped scum so my reads are like inverted or something idk -D

[DrewVa]

It sounded like a fakeclaim to me. Particularly that you've claimed multiple times. Also could be a nice claim for SK and reducing KPN is always good. Even if it weren't a fakeclaim targetting you would tell me things.

Like if you lie. Or if someone lies about targetting you.

Only night that was different wss night 2 because I hadn't sorted RR yet confidently and I thought if they were town it'd be worth keeping them alive and if scum I block them at least.

UNVOTE:

I don’t know again.

[DrewVa]

I've also never seen Bujaber AtE like this as scum but tbh your reads so far have been a lot better than mine Nancy so if you think we just go with FL's claim here then I'm onboard

I feel like I did with Gamma, but then Gamma flipped scum so my reads are like inverted or something idk -D

That’s why I was asking as either alignment, because based on what I quoted, FL’s posts seems consistent with everything he’s claimed, as opposed to a fake claim.

It would take a helluva lot of reheasing on his part, to come off that genuine and believable about eveyone he posted, role-related, if it wasn’t true.

He would have likely slipped at some point, if he were lying.

And no one has CC’d as Alonzo’s recipient.

We also know that there isn’t another roleblocker on N1 and Bujaber should have claimed to JK BEF N1, because that would have actually been believable.

But why does FL say mafia specifically?

FL can’t be lying here, so I’m voting based on that.

VOTE: Bujaber

[DrewVa]

Anybody who bothers to ISO FL will see how many claims he actually made so far.

As for DGB.. when she flips scum not 3p I'm gonna laugh all the way to the ego bank. 1 v 24 and the 1 gets it right.

It has nothing to do with that, it has to do with his genuine, unrehearsed response to anything specifically connected to his claim. From his “vanilla” result on Gamma, to his completely spontaneous response about Tails, being “not vanilla”. It’s extremely difficult to fake something like that. A50’s fake claims, don’t go that far.

[DrewVa]

if buj is final mafia we would be allowing an extra kill when we can remove it

and jk is not something worth leashing

Yea it’s playing with fire

Especially with your odd night SK theory.

[DrewVa]

And Cheeky died because of BEF PGO. Well, if only 2 kills tonight, maybe there’s a pattern?

But if Bujaber is Mafia and unless there is one more Underdog, who knows?

[DrewVa]

eh i could see it
from the pov of mafia, bef had something
He was unlucky with hebi, but he wint necessarily be unlucky again
Blocking him is not a bad idea

It’s actually only 3. N2, was Cheeky due to BEF PGO

and last night, actually only 2 scum kills.

The other 2, were from 3P self-aligned bomber Thor, who most likely targeted RR.

SK probably killed Varsoon and groupscum probably killed Pint.

[DrewVa]

also i wonder about mala's role
she likely died because of protection, right? I dont think its likely someone triee to kill her
But then, being elite bg, she also killed the killer

These were the flips of the 4 found corpses

Nero Cain was ...

Spoiler:

You are "Lincoln Hawk" (from: Over the Top

1987

). Although this town is crime infested you are more concerned about winning back your son and winning at the world arm wrestling championships. You're a trucker though, so that must count for something.

OK, you are a

Bus Driver

aligned with the Town. With some good skill and reads you can very much sway this game Town's way, or you can severly demolish all it's chances to eliminate this evil.

"What I do is I just try to take my hat and I turn it around, and it's like a switch that goes on. And when the switch goes on, I feel like another person, I feel, I don't know, I feel like a... like a truck. Like a machine."

"All I can say is I made a mistake. I know that. You know, sometimes that happens in life. We all make mistakes, but it won't happen again."

As always; you win when all threats to town have been eliminated. GOOD LUCK.

Now just PM me back with your role so I know you understand it and are up for the task.

Malakitty was ...

Spoiler:

You are "Marion Cobretti" (from: Cobra

1986

). You are a tough-on-crime street cop, and you must protect the innocents from all the violence that has plagued this town.

You thus are a

non-weak

Elite Body Guard

aligned with the Town. Your job is to die for the cause, so let's hope you don't die defending the wrong person, but even if you do; chances are you're taking another bad guy with you.

"I don't deal with psychos. I put them away."

You have the standard win con of the Town; which is to eliminate all evil to get your win. GOOD LUCK.

Now just PM me back with your role so I know you understand it and are up for the task.

CheekyTeeky was ...

Spoiler:

I dunno what to say. You are "Stud/The Italian Stallion" (from: The Party at Kitty and Stud's

1970

). All you need to know is it was an X-rated flick, so with no further ado: You're a

Mafia Roleblocker

).

Kitty

: Someday you'll be known as the Italian Stallion.

Stud

: Let's get high.

You win when you've eliminated all competition and have gained control over the town.

Now how about you PM me back with your role so I know you understand it and are up for the task.

P.S. Just in case you need a fake claim at any point; you may claim "Robert Rath" (from: Assassins

1995

). You are a

Jack Of All Trades

(One Roleblock, One Cop, One Doctor), and if challenegd for the abilities you may point out that those are the abilities of a JOAT from the Great Idea Mafia page and even claim you asked me the same and that this was my response.

"Sure. And after that, if you don't mind, I'd like to go to the hospital."

Creature was ...

Spoiler:

You are "Freddy Heflin" (from: Cop Land

1997

). As the Sheriff of a suburban New Jersey community, populated by New York City police officers, you slowly discover the town is a front for mob connections and corruption.

You are thus a

Watcher

and you need to try and find some crime perpetrators before the whole town is subverted and taken over by the mobs.

"I look at this town, and I don't like what I see."

Obviously

you are aligned with the Town

and have the standard win con of eliminating all evil to get your win. GOOD LUCK.

PM me back with your role so I know you understand it and are up for the task.

But she couldn’t have since, Cheeky was the only role aligned with KP.

So, Mala’s killer must have been 1 shot bp or something?

[DrewVa]

so maybe cheeky died by mala rather than bef

Either way, extra n2 kill remains

No, cuz Alchemist21 claimed he tracked Cheeky to BEF.

[DrewVa]

Ok screw it. I didn’t want to claim like this but since people are still giving Benefit of the Doubt here...

I Tracked BEF N1 and saw he visited nobody. That’s how I knew the guilty was fake. I Tracked Cheeky N2, which you can see in that flavor hint, and she visited BEF which is why I speculated BEF having a PGO role.

He’s not backing down from his bullshit so I’m calling it out.

[DrewVa]

so maybe cheeky died by mala rather than bef

Either way, extra n2 kill remains

Yeah, so maybe only 1 SK in the setup, then?

[DrewVa]

probably but then theres an unexplained kill last night

MSPD has announced

4 more violent deaths

have occurred in this game.

Reasonably Rational

were shot from a car that slowed down to fire upon them and quickly took off.

Reasonably Rational were ...

Spoiler:

You are "Raymond Tango" (from: Tango & Cash

1989

). You're a former police officer who has been framed and put behind bars, and all you want is to restore your honour by setting things straight.

You are a

Vanilla Townie

now though, so you won't be doing many stunts of those you hoped for. Instead, you are advised to use your brain, skills and good judgemnet to vote the mod off the streets.

"Your Honor, I have been a policeman for 12 years, and I think it's the best organization in the country. At times, I've been accused of being too aggressive at taking criminals off the streets. Well, if that's a sin, then I guess I'm guilty."

And in case this wasn't obvious; you win when all threats to Town have been eliminated. GOOD LUCK.

Now just PM me back with your role so I know you understand it and are up for the task.

Also

pinturicchio

was shot dead tonight for no apparent reason.

pintu was ...

Spoiler:

You are "Weaver" (from: AntZ

1998

). You're a common working ant with no special abilities. Just a

Vanilla Townie

.

However, you do have your vote and -more importantly- the gift to use it wisely. If you can help get rid of all the baddies in this town you will win with your fellow Townies.

"What are you bitching about? in case you haven't noticed, we ants are running the show. We're the Lords of the Earth."

And of course, you win when all threats to Town have been eliminated. GOOD LUCK.

Now just PM me back with your role so I know you are up for the task.

And a car explosion resulted in the death of

Varsoon

. It's unclear if the incident was a retaliatin act or a crime lords war over power and control.

Varsoon was ...

Spoiler:

You are "Johnny Kovak" (from: F.I.S.T.

1978

). From a Cleveland warehouse worker to president of the trucking industry union? You just had to be connected. You know what I mean?

You are the "leader". The

Godfather

of this Mafia family. You tell them what to do, when to do it, and how to do it. Your task isn't easy though as your family seems to be facing some competition, not to mention law enforcement personnel are on your tail.

As long as your alive you -and only you- submit the kills and decide who performs them.

, so please don't flake on your team.

"What are you? FIST!"

You win when you've eliminated all competition and have gained control over the town.

Now how about you PM me back with your role so I know you understand it and are up for the task.

P.S. Just in case you need a fake claim at any point; you may claim "Joe the Lion" (from: Zookeeper

2011

). I think

Vanilla Townie

should do, but feel free to improvise if you think it better at the time. "Stick to your cozy life because take it from me, you would never make it in the wild."

Finally,

Thor

's body was found in a dark alley with 2 shots to the back of his head.

Thor was ...

Spoiler:

You are probably gonna hate me for this, but you are "Ray Quick" (from: The Specialist

1994

). Lured by the irresistible temptation of Sharon Stone at her prime (she was only 36 then and just 2 years after she made Basic Instinct), you could not resist but to indulge her by bombing the mafia that had killed her family.

You are a

Self-Aligned

Bomber

, and your task is really simple. Suicide unto someone

during the daytime

of your choice. If your target flips Town you will lose and if they flip anti-town you will win. You lose if you die before you detonate though, so keep an open eye for scum tells and don't take too long.

"You like watching them die? You like taking them down? Now I'm taking you down. You're finished in the agency. You're going no higher. You're as dead as those people in the river. We both are."

Simple. Huh? Now PM me back with your role so I know you understand it and are up for the task.

P.S. Just in case you need a fake claim at any point; you may claim the same character. But say your role is

PGO

. This should keep most everybody away from you at night, unless you really have good reads (or you suck that nobody's buying your claim).

This means Thor has lost the game.

Yes, whomever killed Varsoon.

[DrewVa]

I'm okay claiming before Fortian, but I would prefer claiming after Amz and Tails. Dave can claim whenever. -D

[DrewVa]

Amz is VT. Mod confirmed

Where? -D

[DrewVa]

Ohh you got the Singer result? -D

[DrewVa]

Well that's great, I'm really glad we claimed in this order

Are you ready Flavor Leaf?

[DrewVa]

Hard Claim

Officers DVa and Nancy Drew 39 are... an

FBI Agent

Most Important Night Action Result

Tails is a

Serial Killer

VOTE: Tails

[DrewVa]

Potential group scum -- I think the cases on these people are more based on associations, it seems unlikely they are third party killers based on play, don't feel like they've playing toward solo endgames
Gamma Emerald
BuJaber
Reasonably Rational

lol how did no one notice this? -D

[DrewVa]

We're pretty clearly the counter-part to Profii's role, that's why we knew as soon as Profii talked about the "FBI database" flavor for the results that he was a real investigative. We cannot catch group scum, we only get SK/Not SK results

We also checked Thor but there was no way to crumb that since he was dead at the time, and pointless anyway (flavor of our results is "no criminal record on this file system" i.e., not sk) -D

[DrewVa]

We are Jake Malloy from Eye See You and I’ve been crumbling our role since D1.

First. I posted a YMCA video, because Mallow means, “noble chief”.

Then I posted Raindrops keep falling on my head, because it had the word “eyes” in the song.

Finally, I posted Dreams, because of the line, “I see the crystal visions”.

N1, we investigated Bujaber.
N2, RR,,
3, Gamma
4, Thor
5, Tails
-our only guilty! \o/

No you know why we didn’t want to claim before, Fortian.

DVa, made a really obvious crumb, with our N, 1,2,3, investigations encased in a wallpost of reads on D4.

That’s why I voted for Gamma, right after he called Profil’s claim fake, because of the faction thing. We obviously knew he was telling the truth because of our role.

I really want to thank Tails for killing Wisdom for us. I really hardtown read him. Well, at least I know now, town!Wisdom can accurately read me. I’m still completely shocked he flipped scum.

[DrewVa]

[DrewVa]

Idk some thought vomit to try to sort the different categories of possible scum.

Townish
Varsoon
pinturicchio

The nullish category -- Nancy has reads on some of these
Tails
profii
Thor665
Fortian
Amzela

Wisdom Category
Wisdom -- He's pinged me a lot early game but I also follow a lot of his thought processes so idk about wagoning him rn

Potential group scum -- I think the cases on these people are more based on associations, it seems unlikely they are third party killers based on play, don't feel like they've playing toward solo endgames
Gamma Emerald
BuJaber
Reasonably Rational

Could be group scum, could be serial killers -- slots that are all suspicious independently
Flavor Leaf -- claimed vig-like role I think?, has acted very ??? for lot of the game, lot of sk wifom, but not sure if he's so open about his role if so
davesaz -- his comment about cheeky has me thinking; feel a little bit like he's specifically trying to hunt group scum while not really getting on anyone's radar
DrippingGoofball -- given the flips I'm finding jester less plausible

-DVa

The bolded is DVa’s crumb. We never thought we’d live long enough to actually get a guilty, so DVa made this crumb, so everyone would know our role once we flipped.

[DrewVa]

P. edit. As you can see, DVa’s crumb perfectly lines up with our investigation claims, for N1,2 and 3.

Bujaber, RR, Gamma.

We never claimed Thor, since he was our only invetigation that got NK’d.

We were sure we were getting NK last night and you fucked up by killing Underdog Wisdom, who would have otherwise survived until endgame instead of us.

It’s beyond ironic that I was an SK in Overkill 1 and I got to hunt them in this game.

I’m just shocked that we finally got a guilty. I thought either we’d die first or we’d just get another “no resuts”.

[DrewVa]

Yeah, not wasting more time arguing with an outted SK.

I'll let dave/Amzela end this.

Yep, lynch Tails and we we have an awesome town victory.

I’m so excited that I actually got to make a difference for once.

I would have never lynched Wisdom without a guilty.

[DrewVa]

I shot Alonzo because he was scum at best or a distraction at worst.

9p night in an overkill game. Why would you shoot and risk going into lylo?

P-edit: So your "crumb" is a readslist?

The funniest thing is I was right when I compared you to,Thor in Overkill 1, because he was SK too and he treated me the exact same way - aggressively calling for my death, that is. You were good though. DGB was obvtown, after that Bujaber hammer and we did consider Amzela but I thought she was more likely town, so we got really lucky with our guess. Like, what are the odds?

And we townread everyone else, including scum!Wisdom.

[DrewVa]

Malloy is a surname of Irish origin, meaning "noble chief". The name may refer to:

~Wiipedia

I started to type Drewva, then thought of a Roomba. I thought it'd be funny, so I typed that instead.

Our original avatar was a tuba.

Spoiler:

First crumb: Chief

[DrewVa]

2nd crumb: “That doesn’t mean my EYES won’t soon be turning red.”

[DrewVa]

I’m surprised at the no kills but this time, I’m not unhappy about it.







And props to A50, for having awesome taste in music. I hope, he appreciates mine as well.

3rd crumb: “I see the crystal visions. I keep my visions to myself.”

[DrewVa]

Idk some thought vomit to try to sort the different categories of possible scum.

Townish
Varsoon
pinturicchio

The nullish category -- Nancy has reads on some of these
Tails
profii
Thor665
Fortian
Amzela

Wisdom Category
Wisdom -- He's pinged me a lot early game but I also follow a lot of his thought processes so idk about wagoning him rn

Potential group scum -- I think the cases on these people are more based on associations, it seems unlikely they are third party killers based on play, don't feel like they've playing toward solo endgames
Gamma Emerald
BuJaber
Reasonably Rational

Could be group scum, could be serial killers -- slots that are all suspicious independently
Flavor Leaf -- claimed vig-like role I think?, has acted very ??? for lot of the game, lot of sk wifom, but not sure if he's so open about his role if so
davesaz -- his comment about cheeky has me thinking; feel a little bit like he's specifically trying to hunt group scum while not really getting on anyone's radar
DrippingGoofball -- given the flips I'm finding jester less plausible

-DVa

Idk some thought vomit to try to sort the different categories of possible scum.

Townish
Varsoon
pinturicchio

The nullish category -- Nancy has reads on some of these
Tails
profii
Thor665
Fortian
Amzela

Wisdom Category
Wisdom -- He's pinged me a lot early game but I also follow a lot of his thought processes so idk about wagoning him rn

Potential group scum -- I think the cases on these people are more based on associations, it seems unlikely they are third party killers based on play, don't feel like they've playing toward solo endgames
Gamma Emerald
BuJaber
Reasonably Rational

Could be group scum, could be serial killers -- slots that are all suspicious independently
Flavor Leaf -- claimed vig-like role I think?, has acted very ??? for lot of the game, lot of sk wifom, but not sure if he's so open about his role if so
davesaz -- his comment about cheeky has me thinking; feel a little bit like he's specifically trying to hunt group scum while not really getting on anyone's radar
DrippingGoofball -- given the flips I'm finding jester less plausible

-DVa

I strongly townread Fortian and Profil. I think Wisdom is town. Why do you find jester less plausible? If Gamma flips red, I’m taking a closer look at Amzela.

Fourth crumb. Just to make sure this post wasn’t missed, I requoted it, so everyone would figure out our role and our investigations, post-flip.

DVa encased this crumb in this wallpost readslist, because she was concerned that we would die before we could make our results public. She didn’t think we should risk crumbing nothing, in case we died first.

We had not only given up hope in ever getting a guilty result, we were certain we wouldn’t make it to D6, due to our slot being so obvtown read.

[DrewVa]

We are Jake Malloy from Eye See You and I’ve been crumbling our role since D1.

First. I posted a YMCA video, because Mallow means, “noble chief”.

Then I posted Raindrops keep falling on my head, because it had the word “eyes” in the song.

Finally, I posted Dreams, because of the line, “I see the crystal visions”.

N1, we investigated Bujaber.
N2, RR,,
3, Gamma
4, Thor
5, Tails
-our only guilty! \o/

No you know why we didn’t want to claim before, Fortian.

DVa, made a really obvious crumb, with our N, 1,2,3, investigations encased in a wallpost of reads on D4.

That’s why I voted for Gamma, right after he called Profil’s claim fake, because of the faction thing. We obviously knew he was telling the truth because of our role.

I really want to thank Tails for killing Wisdom for us. I really hardtown read him. Well, at least I know now, town!Wisdom can accurately read me. I’m still completely shocked he flipped scum.

Requoting for Davesaz/Amzela, to make our case, easier to read. I’ve combined everything together, to prove our case. Please lynch confirmed guilty SK!Tails, for a town win. Thanks.

[DrewVa]

Yeah, not wasting more time arguing with an outted SK.

About time!

Don't mind Regfan getting his knickers all knotted up. He can be a fiery one!

- DV

+1




We noticed.

Yep, once they vote, we win, I think.

There probably aren’t 2 SKs this game, due to, there already being 2 3 person scum teams, 1 SK and 2 neutral 3Ps - one of which being a self-aligned bomber.

If the game somehow doesn’t end with a Tails lynch, whomever is still left needs to figure it out. We are 100% dying tonight in that case but the fact that there were only a maximum of 3

scum

kills per night - makes me think, that the game will most likely end with Tail lynch.

[DrewVa]

[DrewVa]

While FBI agent Jake Malloy pursues a serial killer who targets police officers,

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0160184/

[DrewVa]

It goes without saying that - as a sergeant -

you may only be able to investigate common criminals (i.e. Mafia members) and not any other type of wackos.

I just wanted to make sure you do understand that.

Profil’s role is the diect complement to ours, since we can ONLY investigate SKs.

[DrewVa]

I think that might be game over, explains all night kills too.

Wisdom shot Profli, Tails shot Wisdom, we shot DGB. No anti-town left IMO.

Going to bed and not sure I'll be back before a lynch. So final message:

Enjoy Lylo. And remember, there's still at least 1 kill unaccounted for.

NO.

[DrewVa]

Cool so we get to play "did fl gambit or did tails gambit"

I wanna say fl is more likely here but that also requires figuring out how fl knew buj was mafia and not sk/under

Also I think Nancy thinks its amz so we will probably need to actually be on at the same time to talk about this

Fl was there a vanilla result on amz? Who all did you get from alonzo again?

[DrewVa]

Not sure what to say. I did see this as one possible scenario but I thought if anyone not fort was the sk they would kill us

We thought most likely scenario was bp odd night so and that there would be no kill with fortian failing on dave

Sk outside of dave/fort seemed like a remote chance and so now we are left here. We checked dave btw

I dont think tails would get a result on a dead town right? So he should have known one real role

You also did all the wifomy stuff about pgo which did scare nancy off checking you earlier even tho I proposed it one of the nights

But yeah this is not obvious to me. It could be nancy will just vote amz because your result on buj is hard to reconcile with an sk

Like I can see you gambiting him being not town but I dont know how you call him as maf specifically

[DrewVa]

My other question, and correct me if I’m wrong, is who did DrewVa investigate last night, if they investigated, and why?

FBI Agents (which is their claim) can investigate once per night right?

Unfortunately, we investigated Daveas, since we deduced that Fortain had to be conftown due to N5 kills, proving his role.

We just assumed that since Tails was the even night SK, there would be only one kill last night and a guilty on Dave, would be an inno on you (Amzela) and vice-versa.

So, either we were right about that and FL is being bad town or

I have egregiously misread him but

But it would totally suck, to have come this far in the game, and have bad town mess this up for town.

I’m torn because of everything FL has said about his role previously and his weird read on us. It should be blatantly obvious to whomever, is the last remaining townie in the game, other than us, that we’re locktown here, so I honestly don’t know what to think now.

DrewVa confitowned us with that readslist, when she mentioned that Bujaber, RR and Gamma weren’t 3rd party. How could we have possibly known that otherwise?

I voted for Gamma immediately after he called Profil’s guilty on him, “fake”, because we knew based on our role, that we hunted “the other wackos” that he couldn’t investigate.

If FL is town here, he is 100% going down as the WOAT of this game and if he’s actually scum, then it totally sucks that we could still lose at this point.

I don’t even understand how it’s even possible that there were 2 kills last night and even more shocking, why does scum kill the vig over the SK hunter?

None of this is making a wit of sense to me.

[DrewVa]

My other question, and correct me if I’m wrong, is who did DrewVa investigate last night, if they investigated, and why?

FBI Agents (which is their claim) can investigate once per night right?

That’s what they’ve been claiming it like. Another reason I thought they were likely 3rd party. Because my shot was able to find a SK. That’s too swingy, even for this game. Under specific situations, 2 SK’s could have been outed by Day 2. Extremely unlikely, but it would have been possible.

No, our investigations only kept turning up group scum: Bujaber, Gamma or dead town: RR, Thor until we hit the jackpot with Tails.

If FL is telling the truth here, then this is Karma for YGM, I guess.

[DrewVa]

I was thinking about it earlier, and literally nothing DrewVa says is going to make me happy when regards to the investigate.

Fortian - Dead
Dave - Dead
Flavor - Innocent, I’m going to think it’s a ploy to get me to mislynch Amzela.
Flavor - Guilty, then I know for sure it’s DrewVa, but you have to see that I’m town.
Amzela - Innocent, this is effectively the same as the last one.
Amzela - Guilty, this is effectively the same as the Flavor Innocent one.

Use your freaking head dude, of course if we had a guilty on either of you, we hard push that lynch but we once again investigated the dead guy.

I don’t understand how this can even be happening, because odd night SK isn’t supposed to be able to kill until N7.

Tails was even night SK, so how is it possible that Fortian is dead here?

And for anyone who needs a building to fall on them, Fortian was never ever killing us/voting or scumreading us in this game, so if we’re SK here, then Flavour Leaf doesn’t live to D7.

That’s why I can’t for the life of me get, how he isn’t believing us here.

[DrewVa]

I disagree that I’ve been “bad town”. I personally feel I’ve had a great town game this game.

I also had a town read on you the majority of the game, so I don’t understand. I didn’t start 3rd party reading you until later.

You brought up the “how can someone see us as scum, we conf town’d ourselves.”

No, I conf town’d myself.

I legit proved that I am town with the Bujaber thing. That was my entrance into that day, which was a complete 180 from anything I was talking about.

I had a theory about you being that role you claimed as a SK, but I thought I was going too much. But if you felt you were the only SK in the game, that’s an easy gambit.

I can assure you that the dead thread isn’t thinking this and if you’re bad town, you are going to lose the game for us, if you don’t come to your senses.

[DrewVa]

I’m just paranoid. Am I supposed to just think it’s Amzela without thinking it over?

Fortian was the easiest mislynch I feel, so i also find that kill weird, and that’s why i have more paranoia from your slot.

However, I have a weird feeling that it might just be Occam’s Razor Amzela wasn’t caught up

Do you really think there is any world where scum!us ever kill the slot, who has us as their #1 townread?

Who do you think would be better for scum!us to have with us in LYLO, the slot that is 100% townreading us or someone who almost voted us instead of Tails on D6?

[DrewVa]

It’s not that I’m not believing you, it’s that I think you’re solid players and can pull off a gambit like that.

Gamma Emerald says that I have a tendency to second guess myself and go tinfoil theories.

I think we might have even said it this game...

Irrelevant, but yeah.

If we’re scum, we never ever kill Fortian here. Because scum!us, Fortian, 100% lynch the other player in this scenario, ensuring us victory.

Tell me I’m wrong here.

[DrewVa]

I have a hard weakness for this stuff.

I think I’m going to vote Amz.

We can’t be SK because I am not dumb and it would be game suicide to kill the one slot, that is guaranteed to vote with us.

I’m really sorry, we didn’t investigate Amzela. DVa initially wanted to instead of Tails. :/

But I believe you and you’re role doesn’t make sense as scum. Scum!Wisdom tried to talk us out of our suspicions on Amzela, after she unsuccessfully tried to stop Gamma lynch.

Bujaber had a pretty decent fake claim but I realized that your role claim made no sense as scum because you had both the “vanilla” and “non-vanilla” results on Gamma and Tails - probably the overriding reason, we thought he was the superior investgation choice.

[DrewVa]

VOTE: Amzela

[DrewVa]

I feel like I’m being scolded hard in the dead thread right now.

VOTE: Amzela

Good game.

No, because you ultimately made the right decision.

Amzela was really good though. We were townleaning her throughout the game.

If Fortian had killed you and we had also investigated you, I honestly don’t know what I would have done - probably lost the game for us, by voting Daveas.

[DrewVa]

VOTE: Unvote

Who’s the slot that almost voted you instead of Tails? If that’s referring to me, that’s a misrep. I was always going to go Tails, I was just figuring things out.

Tails was obviously SK before you even claimed, which is the biggest reason for my paranoia.

PEdit:

You’re conf town now. I’m at ease.

VOTE: Amzela

I thought you weren’t believing our claim? But yeah, Daveas voted Tails, so it was stupid of us to have investigated him over Amzela.

I just had a stronger albeit wrong tl on her over Daveas.

[DrewVa]

Sorry guys, FL had us convinced he was dumb town.

[DrewVa]

Dva, you're bad, and you should feel bad.

I'll say more later, but I wanted you to know that.

Thanks, I really needed some cheering up.

This is Nancy, I haven’t spoken to DVa since Thursday.

[DrewVa]

Sorry guys, FL had us convinced he was dumb town.

You're still terrible and should feel terrible.

You don't finish a lylo in under 24 hours.

How fucking incompetent do you have to be to just rush the lynch that decides the result of the effort EVERYONE ELSE has put in as well? It's disrespectful at best.

Shut up please, thanks.

[DrewVa]

Sorry guys, FL had us convinced he was dumb town.

You're still terrible and should feel terrible.

You don't finish a lylo in under 24 hours.

How fucking incompetent do you have to be to just rush the lynch that decides the result of the effort EVERYONE ELSE has put in as well? It's disrespectful at best.

Shut up please, thanks.

You played dreadfully. You got freaking vigged! You are absolutely the LAST player in the game, to throw stones here.

[DrewVa]

Nancy, you were so freakin’ town, it hurt my soul.

You were really good. Next time I play with you and you can’t tell immediately I’m town, I’m powerlynching you.

[DrewVa]

All I knew was I had to take Wisdom out.

I shot at him twice in a row to make sure he was gone. That guy scares me.

I was never lynching him. As Profil showed, he voted very similarly to us all game.

[DrewVa]

Dva, you're bad, and you should feel bad.

I'll say more later, but I wanted you to know that.

Thanks, I really needed some cheering up.

This is Nancy, I haven’t spoken to DVa since Thursday.

AND THIS MAKES YOU EVEN FUCKING WORSE.

HOLY SHIT

HOW FUCKING BAD OF A HYDRA PARTNER CAN YOU BE WHO JUST VOTES FOR THE SHARED SLOT IN THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE GAME WITHOUT REGARD FOR THE WISHES OF THEIR OTHER HALF?

*sigh*

I was really hoping it was dva making all those posts(since they're the one who startred the day), and it wasn't Nancy incompetently showing up and just blindly fucking voting.

You somehow managed to make this already pitiful display of LYLO play even worse.

Well done.

It’s not too late for me to fucking report YOU for being the worst hypocrite in the history of Mafia. I have 100% lost complete respect for you.

Wtf did YOU do in this game huh?

Tried to mislynch town!Hebi, pushed Toog to get modkilled and there was another slot you wrongly helped get mislynched but I can’t recall it atm but if anyone has a right to be pissed, it’s Thor. You cost him the game by making him wrongly vig you.

I sincerely hope he tears you a new one for that.

Drixx was obvtown but you OTOH, was scummy as fuck, the entire game.

[DrewVa]

Cool your jets, Cerb, it's all G.
I think they get it.
No use being aggro now, it's over.

I don't even feel like I won, tbh.

A50, please design a smaller setup (13p to 18p range or so) that's not multiball next time, <3
Fantastic job modding this one, btw. You were on top of things and the flips/flavor was neat.
I like a good deal of your formatting, too.

It’s worse than that. Of all the players in the entire game, no town player played worse than Cerb. So, he is absolutely the very last player in the game, to be in a position to judge ANYBODY.

Even in my first Mafia game ever, I played 100 times better than he did in this one. I view this as projection on his part. He wants to scapegoat me for his inexplicably horrendous play and I have 0 intention of fucking taking it from someone who is in absolutely no position to judge me here.

And without a sincere apology from him, I am never retracting this. I DGAF how frustrated he is. This is completely inexusable coming from him.

[DrewVa]

Dva, you're bad, and you should feel bad.

I'll say more later, but I wanted you to know that.

Thanks, I really needed some cheering up.

This is Nancy, I haven’t spoken to DVa since Thursday.

AND THIS MAKES YOU EVEN FUCKING WORSE.

HOLY SHIT

HOW FUCKING BAD OF A HYDRA PARTNER CAN YOU BE WHO JUST VOTES FOR THE SHARED SLOT IN THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE GAME WITHOUT REGARD FOR THE WISHES OF THEIR OTHER HALF?

*sigh*

I was really hoping it was dva making all those posts(since they're the one who startred the day), and it wasn't Nancy incompetently showing up and just blindly fucking voting.

You somehow managed to make this already pitiful display of LYLO play even worse.

Well done.

It’s not too late for me to fucking report YOU for being the worst hypocrite in the history of Mafia. I have 100% lost complete respect for you.

Wtf did YOU do in this game huh?

Tried to mislynch town!Hebi, pushed Toog to get modkilled and there was another slot you wrongly helped get mislynched but I can’t recall it atm but if anyone has a right to be pissed, it’s Thor. You cost him the game by making him wrongly vig you.

I sincerely hope he tears you a new one for that.

Drixx was obvtown but you OTOH, was scummy as fuck, the entire game.

You're welcome to report me, I'm calling your play out as terrible, and that's all. Zero line crossing occurring here, and trust me, I'm well aware of those lines, and also aware of my bad play. Ask Amzela, she knows I feel like I had a terrible game. *shrug*

@Varsoon: See? Zero ability to acknowledge their failings.

Please stop embarrassing yourself here. Why are you persisting in making these ridiculous pathetic posts?, I’m legit starting to feel sorry for you.

[DrewVa]

@Cerb: When people feel personally attacked, it makes it hard for them to differentiate between criticism and hate.
Trust me, I've literally been on both sides of this situation way more times in this last month than I am comfortable to admit and bans have been issued over how out of hand it's gotten.
Just chill it.
Be cool.
That goes for you, too, Nancy. It'll be alright. Cerb's frustrated with the loss. It's natural that the first thing he'd criticize is the last critical mistake town made.

I'm actually not frustrated at the loss.

Mafia's a stupid game and losses don't really matter to me. Wins are fun, and doing cool things is fun, but losses happen. *shrug*

It's the combination of their unwillingness to recognize that they made a very very poor play, and the fact that people are even capable of making plays that terrible, that's frustrating. As you said, learn from the mistake and grow....which isn't possible when people don't recognize that they made a mistake.

pedit: @Nancy: I am not going to be apologizing to you for anything I'm saying here because it's all accurate. Go read the dead thread. I'm not the only person who felt that your approach to the end game was terrible, and though having others agree with me doesn't make me right, it does mean that there's more going on here than just me "scapegoating" you. You should really take a step back and consider whether or not a rational outside observer would believe that you took a reasonable path in determining the right action to take during this day phase.

I’m not surprised. I absolutely would in your position but then I’m not being a hypocrite who is behaving as if they misplaced their moral compass. I am sincerely disappointed in you. I way overestimated the kind of person I thought you were. :/

[DrewVa]

Like ya'll literally know each other's alignments and what you say here is from player to player.
Switch modes and switch codes.

P-EDIT:
@Cerb: Yeah, but you gotta consider how Nancy feels and the best way to package your advice and critique. Nancy just made a mistake that cost THEIR TEAM the game. If that was me, I'd be liable to feel really awful and if someone came out ragging on me for it I'd probably take it a bit personally and try to justify my play, too.

Trust me, people failing to learn and improve really, really, really frustrates me, too, but aggro isn't the way to enact change. It just fucks things up for everyone. Please take a few breaths, step away, and think through having more repose here.

Both DVa and me obviously wrongly believed FL was locktown from his claim. We almost did investigate him but wasted it on Thor, due to us falling for his PGO thing. If I ever play with him again, I assure you history won’t repeat itself.

It’s all well and fine for people spoiled in the dead thread to wrongly judge me but I thought FL was locktown and twitchy and ready to throw the game by voting us.

I did underestimate Amzela though and for that, I’m truly sorry. She played a really good game.

[DrewVa]

Tbf last time I lost the game for my team at Lylo I did the opposite and over thought it. If I had voted early with my gut I would've been right so it's easy to get confirmation biased about the best approach in Lylo.

I don't see how waiting would've changed the outcome and mafia is a team game so even if it comes down to Lylo everyone contributed on the path there.

I will say I did apologise for my loss for all the good that did lol.

Pedit Morality is scum doubt = zero

Thanks. <3

See, FL’s claim made sense because how did he know before Profil’s guilty that Gamma was a goon and even more convincing, was him correctly identifying Tails as “not vanilla”. I don’t really think I had a chance in hell against an experirnced acting coach. Most players wouldn’t have been able to fool me with the flawless way, he handled all of the questions about his claim. Most players wouldn’t have been able to have done that without slipping even a little.

[DrewVa]

Seems like cerb is a douche

GGs FL

+1

What gave it away?

[DrewVa]

Again, as I said in the dead thread:

I would have been very happy about everyone's play if discussion had happened, FL had outtalked people, and just won the game.

That's cool, that's a good ending, no matter who wins.

People who care so little about playing out the endgame and thinking that they're okay with their hydra partner just voting someone without discussion doing just that?

That is not a good ending to a game, no matter who wins.

Note: to rest of playerlist

This is coming from someone who got himself vigged.

[DrewVa]

It was pretty obvious, from dead thread, that FL posted a ton to flood out Amz on daystart and position to vote/hammer either player.
The second he saw some doubt from DrewVa, he pounced in a way that DrewVa would have an easy time following.
That much was intentional. Yes, it was easy for US to see through, but maybe not so much for them.
/shrugs.
I'm fine with how the game shook out, though I wish everyone, myself included, had dropped better game.

I still don’t know how he knew Tails was “not vanilla”.

FL fooled everyone. Cerb is ignoring his obvious bias wrt to Amzela. How many people, other than Cerb would have voted FL over Amzela in this scenario?

So yeah, of course I feel bad about losing but no, I don’t feel at all bad about my play. In the future, I will probably not make this mistake but no, while I obviously feel bad, I honestly don’t blame myself at all, unde the circumstances.

[DrewVa]

I once won as scum by getting Mathdino to vote/gladiate eddie cane while he was at a party IRL I respect Mathdino but I had worked out a way to get obv town eddie quickvoted. I had to push him to vote before eddie got back, there's noway I think less of Math it's just that all the dynamics in the game lead to that point. Eddie did what cerb is doing now and acknowledged everyone for my win except me.

As I said CheekyTeeky, if FL just, ya know, tells me that they knew DrewVa would play the way they did, kudos to them, well done.

Still doesn't make DrewVa's play good, but makes their success more impressive.

@FL: *shrug* you can't say that with certainty. 24/48 hours of back and forth with amzela and drewva actually talking to one another, instead of just talking to you(again, mistake, you only talked to one individual before making your decision), and the game could have went any way. I get that you feel like you could have won no matter what, but unless you know how drewva will act(both heads) in all circumstances, there's no way to be sure you'll win because Amzela is a complete unknown to you.

How does someone who played so abominably bad, that he single-handedly managed to get his slot vigged, ever have the arrogance and unbelievable hypocrisy to judge me here?

Where is your well-deserved apology to Thor, huh? You cost him HIS game. Don’t you feel at all bad about that? All he needed to do to win, was to correctly shoot scum but thanks to your uberscummy play throughout the entire game, he lost his game by shooting you. That is 100% on YOUR head, not his. I wouldn’t have mistakenly shot you because Drixx was obvtown but you counteracted that by playing like obvscum.

[DrewVa]

There's probably more thoughts I could come up with, but meh atm.

It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

~Mark Twain

[DrewVa]

I once won as scum by getting Mathdino to vote/gladiate eddie cane while he was at a party IRL I respect Mathdino but I had worked out a way to get obv town eddie quickvoted. I had to push him to vote before eddie got back, there's noway I think less of Math it's just that all the dynamics in the game lead to that point. Eddie did what cerb is doing now and acknowledged everyone for my win except me.

As I said CheekyTeeky, if FL just, ya know, tells me that they knew DrewVa would play the way they did, kudos to them, well done.

Still doesn't make DrewVa's play good, but makes their success more impressive.

@FL: *shrug* you can't say that with certainty. 24/48 hours of back and forth with amzela and drewva actually talking to one another, instead of just talking to you(again, mistake, you only talked to one individual before making your decision), and the game could have went any way. I get that you feel like you could have won no matter what, but unless you know how drewva will act(both heads) in all circumstances, there's no way to be sure you'll win because Amzela is a complete unknown to you.

How does someone who played so abominably bad, that he single-handedly managed to get his slot vigged, ever have the arrogance and unbelievable hypocrisy to judge me here?

Where is your well-deserved apology to Thor, huh? You cost him HIS game. Don’t you feel at all bad about that? All he needed to do to win, was to correctly shoot scum but thanks to your uberscummy play throughout the entire game, he lost his game by shooting you. That is 100% on YOUR head, not his. I wouldn’t have mistakenly shot you because Drixx was obvtown but you counteracted that by playing like obvscum.

Okay, let's correct another one of your misconceptions(I was hoping someone else would do this, but whatever)

Here's thor's role

You are probably gonna hate me for this, but you are "Ray Quick" (from: The Specialist 1994). Lured by the irresistible temptation of Sharon Stone at her prime (she was only 36 then and just 2 years after she made Basic Instinct), you could not resist but to indulge her by bombing the mafia that had killed her family.

You are a Self-Aligned Bomber, and your task is really simple. Suicide unto someone during the daytime of your choice. If your target flips Town you will lose and if they flip anti-town you will win. You lose if you die before you detonate though, so keep an open eye for scum tells and don't take too long.

"You like watching them die? You like taking them down? Now I'm taking you down. You're finished in the agency. You're going no higher. You're as dead as those people in the river. We both are."

Simple. Huh? Now PM me back with your role so I know you understand it and are up for the task.

P.S. Just in case you need a fake claim at any point; you may claim the same character. But say your role is PGO. This should keep most everybody away from you at night, unless you really have good reads (or you suck that nobody's buying your claim).

Here's the important part of thor's role

Suicide unto someone during the daytime of your choice.

Thor didn't suicide onto us. They got shot. We drew 2 scum shots to our slot. We also drew 2 vig shots to our slot, one of which didn't happen because of the max kills per phase rule, and the other was us getting protected by toogs universal doctor.

Point being, stop talking about Thor homie. We had nothing to do with that.

How do you know he didn’t shoot you? The only other possibility was widely obvtown read Pint.

Why does scum ever kill you here, you were blatantly scumsiding the entire game.

If I was scum in this game, my nicname for you would be Santa.

[DrewVa]

:@ I copped you n1 because I knew you were scum FL :@

Well done though

I called that out immediately in the scum thread.

I'm still going to say it a lot anyway haha

I am not going to tell you the scum slip i got you on :p I knew you were scum on day 1 though :@ I just didnt know when i was going to be able to lynch you - the only real opportunity was after the BuJ flip but I died because that was such an obvious gambit to me but i know how you play :@

I wish you had said something along the lines of, when I die, lynch FL.

Next time, I’ll pay more attention to your reads. We almost investigated FL that night but fell for the PGO bs.

[DrewVa]

I also DEFINITELY got a Not Vanilla result on Pint, so he flipped Vanilla and I was like, wtf, so I’m glad I never talked about that.

Wow really? How was that even possible?

@A50, you got some ‘splaning to do.

But yeah, the game might have ended differently, had you done that.

[DrewVa]

@Nancy: Honestly, I have NO IDEA why scum would shoot us, we were playing terribly. We weren't scumsiding, we were just town who was wrong; perhaps there was fear that with flips and us reevaluating the game state since we had been proven wrong(since, ya know, we're players who actually do that), we'd end up actually being useful.

There's also the fact that profii claimed to have an Inno on us. Yeah. That's probably why.

I know Thor didn't shoot us because HE COULD ONLY ACT DURING THE DAY, and we died at night.

...

But I’m a terrible player for not being God? Riiiiiight.

[DrewVa]

Don’t lynch me. Thanks, bye.

I’m gonna just coast. I’m probably a SK. If not SK, I’m Mafia.

Reactions? Go.

Late game I was like “Damn, this is going to come back to haunt me. And then I brought it up for Wisdom. And then I was like damn, that’s gonna come back to haunt me.

But like, I definitely would’ve done that stuff as town. I just would have ALSO done it as scum.


Boonskiies sig has Yes, I would do that as town.
FL sig has Yes, I would do that as scum. Haha.

Tbf, I was very suspicious that you didn’t townlock us after the Fortian kill. Next time, I’ll know you’re way too good a player, to ever make that bad a mistake.

[DrewVa]

@Nancy: Honestly, I have NO IDEA why scum would shoot us, we were playing terribly. We weren't scumsiding, we were just town who was wrong; perhaps there was fear that with flips and us reevaluating the game state since we had been proven wrong(since, ya know, we're players who actually do that), we'd end up actually being useful.

There's also the fact that profii claimed to have an Inno on us. Yeah. That's probably why.

I know Thor didn't shoot us because HE COULD ONLY ACT DURING THE DAY, and we died at night.

...

But I’m a terrible player for not being God? Riiiiiight.

You're a terrible player for ending the day in LYLO within 8 hours of day start, when one of the players had barely played all game and was thus not someone who you could reasonably have developed a read on, and the other player had claimed to gain a 1 shot cop ability when the game already had a cop, fbi agent, and vanilla cop.

There was no benefit to ending the game quickly, it was a bad play, and that's basically it. Hell, if you had rushed to lynch FL, I would be calling you and Amzela out on being terrible for not spending more time discussing the game.

Stop saying such unbelievable idiotic nonsence.

Your killing my braincells with every dumbas post you make.

Until you recover from your temporary lobotomy, please stop talking to me.

[DrewVa]

And nah, Cerb’s just talking that way.

Had he been in the game at the time, I’d have gotten the quick lynch still.

That’s my bread and butter. Getting people to quick lynch as scum or town.

It doesn’t make his unfair, unwarranted extremely hypocritical comments any less disgusting.

You know, when I fooled him as scum in Heroes, he was really chill about it. I actually had mad respect for him for that. Welp, never making THAT mistake again.

[DrewVa]

I mean.

You're welcome to feel that way, but it doesn't make it true.

I'd probably be more inclined to actually care about your opinion on these things if you responded with an expression of the benefits of y our action, or if you admitted that you were wrong about how thor's role worked.

@FL: idk man, keeping people from quicklynching(and not getting lynched) are kinda my thing. *shrug*

Exactly what part of I DGAF about your opinion, isn’t resonating with you yet?

[DrewVa]

(fyi, now I'm just kind of poking you for the fun of it, I've accepted that you're not capable of reflecting on your mistakes and learning from them)

Cool. And I’ve accepted that honest self-refection isn’t part of your wheelhouse.

I love learning new things.

[DrewVa]

Nominating

Flavor Leaf

for

Best Performance Third Party (Hannibal Lecter)

for his play in

Overkill 2: A Blood-Thirsty Stallone Themed Game

Just saying

Aww.

Yeah it kills me but I second it. You played brilliantly but you won’t get away with it again, with me. *knock wood*

[DrewVa]

Nominating

Flavor Leaf

for

Best Performance Third Party (Hannibal Lecter)

for his play in

Overkill 2: A Blood-Thirsty Stallone Themed Game

Just saying

If I see a PT where FL calls out DrewVa's response to this situation, I'll second it. Otherwise I have to assume it was the mistake it appeared to be. *shrug*

God, how much of a poor sport can you be? You’re just so freaking dense and bitter, that you need to make this about me.

Wrt OUR play, we ran circles around you this game and if you ever remove your head from your ass, maybe, you’ll actually see that.

[DrewVa]

Btw, I have no definite plans (No flavor, No setup & No time frame), but I'm curious as to how many of you would be signing in if I hypothetically announced a 3rd Overkill sequel now??

But flavour is the best part of your games.

I know this is a troll because you can’t have a game without a setup.

[DrewVa]

We had the game won up to that one bad vig shot.

We had an inno on you, so I would have lynched FL in that case. I wish we had checked Amzela at some point.

I would have probably lynched FL over DGB, since she was obvtown after Bujaber hammer - especially after FL started getting twitchy.

[DrewVa]

(Does anyone else wondering how DrewVa managed to conclude that I,a fter admitting that I played terribly this game, am the one who can't self-reflect in this conversation? Or willing to bring up the (again, completely accurate) things I've questioned them on which they've deflected by attacking me? FL? Can you ask them these things please? Or anybody I guess?)

Give it up already. You ain’t winning this. Just hold on to your remaining self-respect. What is still left of it.

You know why I did what I did, because I’ve already fucking explained so clearly that a dead horse would have gotten it by now.

[DrewVa]

Nominating

Flavor Leaf

for

Best Performance Third Party (Hannibal Lecter)

for his play in

Overkill 2: A Blood-Thirsty Stallone Themed Game

Just saying

If I see a PT where FL calls out DrewVa's response to this situation, I'll second it. Otherwise I have to assume it was the mistake it appeared to be. *shrug*

God, how much of a poor sport can you be? You’re just so freaking dense and bitter, that you need to make this about me.

Wrt OUR play, we ran circles around you this game and if you ever remove your head from your ass, maybe, you’ll actually see that.

DrewVa, again: Look at the way FL started the day phase. Does voting Amzela actually make sense coming from town, given the way they had approached the day start? Making that vote is a mistake all the time, unless you know that the person you're talking to is just going to go for it without thinking, which they claim they did. Unless I see that they ACTUALLY did call that in advance, as they're claiming they did, then it was a mistake.

You're being results oriented in your analysis. What's important isn't how it worked this time, but the process that led to that decision, and whether or not that decision was the right one.

Your behaviour to us, was abusive, unfair, unwarrented and mean. I’m not having this - or any other conversation with you for that matter, until you freaking apologize to me/us.

And furthermore, until you take into account my reasoning for why I did what I did, your analysis is pointless anyhow.

[DrewVa]

Explaining why you did what you did is JUSTIFYING the mistake. That's very different from saying "Yes, I screwed up, I should have considered x y z and played this differently."

Instead you're saying "tbh, I don't blame myself for doing it, anyone else would have done the same."

Huge difference.

You're right though, I did conclude that there was little to be gained from interacting with you on this subject, so I should probably stop, but I justkeep holding onto the hope that you'll suddenly see the light.

The ONLY thing, I’m willing to acknowledge is how annoyingly persistent you are in beating this stupid dead horse. Happy now?

[DrewVa]

(Does anyone else wondering how DrewVa managed to conclude that I,a fter admitting that I played terribly this game, am the one who can't self-reflect in this conversation? Or willing to bring up the (again, completely accurate) things I've questioned them on which they've deflected by attacking me? FL? Can you ask them these things please? Or anybody I guess?)

Give it up already. You ain’t winning this. Just hold on to your remaining self-respect. What is still left of it.

You know why I did what I did, because I’ve already fucking explained so clearly that a dead horse would have gotten it by now.

You know, I am more than willing to take the blame for the bad game, if you two would stop fighting.

Wait, but also, are games not normally this fast? And @Nancy, were we supposed to talk more?

Also yay time to enter a newbie game... or never play again because lack of time and consistency.

I’m not sure I understand your question? FL was really good and I wish I hadn’t underestimated you. Anyway, Cerb is blessed to have someone like you for his girlfriend. I hope he knows how damn lucky he is. If he ever stops worshiping the ground you walk on, you have my express permission to kick his fool ungrateful ass, into next week.

[DrewVa]

Nominating

Flavor Leaf

for

Best Performance Third Party (Hannibal Lecter)

for his play in

Overkill 2: A Blood-Thirsty Stallone Themed Game

Just saying

If I see a PT where FL calls out DrewVa's response to this situation, I'll second it. Otherwise I have to assume it was the mistake it appeared to be. *shrug*

God, how much of a poor sport can you be? You’re just so freaking dense and bitter, that you need to make this about me.

Wrt OUR play, we ran circles around you this game and if you ever remove your head from your ass, maybe, you’ll actually see that.

DrewVa, again: Look at the way FL started the day phase. Does voting Amzela actually make sense coming from town, given the way they had approached the day start? Making that vote is a mistake all the time, unless you know that the person you're talking to is just going to go for it without thinking, which they claim they did. Unless I see that they ACTUALLY did call that in advance, as they're claiming they did, then it was a mistake.

You're being results oriented in your analysis. What's important isn't how it worked this time, but the process that led to that decision, and whether or not that decision was the right one.

Your behaviour to us, was abusive, unfair, unwarrented and mean. I’m not having this - or any other conversation with you for that matter, until you freaking apologize to me/us.

And furthermore, until you take into account my reasoning for why I did what I did, your analysis is pointless anyhow.

I am(again) never going to apologize to you because there is nothing to apologize for. If this shall be the last time we talk, that is unfortunate and I wish you the best going forward.

I’m sorry, was that dead air, I just felt chafing me?

[DrewVa]

Ya'll, I'm downloading 66 gigs of data right now to supplement the research and content I need to produce this game
I'm about to dump 72+ unpaid hours into building a setup for you folks
If I'm willing to do all this, please hash out stuff and come to a happy agreement moving forward

I’m sorry Varsoon, I don’t allow anyone to disrespect me like this and not apologize for it. However, I am a bigger person than - I forgot whom - and won’t allow it to prevent me from playing to the best of my ability in whatever awesome game you design.

I just have 0 respect for Cerb as a person. I’m not happy about that but then I have no choice but to respect his bad decision. Oh well, at least I still think well of the other half of that hydra. \_0_/

[DrewVa]

Ya'll, I'm downloading 66 gigs of data right now to supplement the research and content I need to produce this game
I'm about to dump 72+ unpaid hours into building a setup for you folks
If I'm willing to do all this, please hash out stuff and come to a happy agreement moving forward

*shrug* I'm willing to play with anyone in one of your games Varsoon, even RC!

:p

Actually, I'm willing to play with anyone in any game, because I don't actually take things personally(though Drixx does when things get personal).

Also, there's a very good chance that people who dislike me won't be in the game because I tend to be one of the first people to signup to your games. <3

DON’T.FLATTER.YOURSELF.

As if someone like you could ever stop me from signing up for one of Varsoon’s awesome games.

Get over yourself. I’m sorry but you’re really not that important in the scheme of things.

[DrewVa]

Wait I’m super confused. I thought you didn’t like Drixx back in the massive argument you had around the... 170s?

Nah, I’m not one to hold grudges and Drixx made things right, so I have no issue with him. I’m not asking Cerb to apologize for having a difference of opinion but for the despicable way he treated me, in the eary part of the conversation. I have plenty of respect for anyone who does their best to make things right, like Drixx did, so I have no problem with him anymore. I’m cool with him and was serious about talking to him on Discord and becoming friends. That wasn’t gametalk, I was 100% sincere about that.

[DrewVa]

@Amzela: You're new, not bad. There's a lot of room for improvement, but the game was definitely fast paced. 200 pages in 1 month is a lot.

+1

Agreed. For a newb, you played really well.

[DrewVa]

Hahah 70s sorry. I don’t remember. Just remember a lot of anger.

Yeah there was but I’m really pretty easy going like that. Even the willingness on the part of someone to ultimately do the right thing, scores major points with me and also, I also have my own baggage that affected my reactions and it would be unfair of me, to hold Drixx or anyone, responsible for that.

[DrewVa]

@Cerb: I'm pretty much the same way. I was even tempted to implement a 'Wisdom-of-the-Mod' rule about not letting players who I know couch games in toxic rhetoric, but I'm going to stand by not having any blacklists on my games.

@Nancy: Please don't judge someone so harshly for providing harshly worded criticism, even if it's not due. I honestly think you should both apologize to each other, to some degree. I think you misplayed LYLO here, too, and if I was town, I'd be really frustrated about it, too, just like I was with Shoshin in the post-game of TAZ mafia; but it's more about being frustrated with a person's play and not voicing it in a way that person is going to appreciate or actually care to grapple with.

No Varsoon, I don’t have any reason to apologize, because I disagree with your analysis. I already explained my case. It hurts that you don’t see it, though. :/

[DrewVa]

@Cerb: I'm pretty much the same way. I was even tempted to implement a 'Wisdom-of-the-Mod' rule about not letting players who I know couch games in toxic rhetoric, but I'm going to stand by not having any blacklists on my games.

@Nancy: Please don't judge someone so harshly for providing harshly worded criticism, even if it's not due. I honestly think you should both apologize to each other, to some degree. I think you misplayed LYLO here, too, and if I was town, I'd be really frustrated about it, too, just like I was with Shoshin in the post-game of TAZ mafia; but it's more about being frustrated with a person's play and not voicing it in a way that person is going to appreciate or actually care to grapple with.

No Varsoon, I don’t have any reason to apologize, because I disagree with your analysis. I already explained my case. It hurts that you don’t see it, though. :/

This is not a matter of pride but integrity. I am the first person to admit when I’m wrong about anything and hold out an olive branch/apologise but if I apologize when I’m

not

wrong, then it makes all my genuine heart-felt apologies worthless. That’s way, you always know I’m sincere and not bsing you.

[DrewVa]

@Cerb: I'm pretty much the same way. I was even tempted to implement a 'Wisdom-of-the-Mod' rule about not letting players who I know couch games in toxic rhetoric, but I'm going to stand by not having any blacklists on my games.

@Nancy: Please don't judge someone so harshly for providing harshly worded criticism, even if it's not due. I honestly think you should both apologize to each other, to some degree. I think you misplayed LYLO here, too, and if I was town, I'd be really frustrated about it, too, just like I was with Shoshin in the post-game of TAZ mafia; but it's more about being frustrated with a person's play and not voicing it in a way that person is going to appreciate or actually care to grapple with.

No Varsoon, I don’t have any reason to apologize, because I disagree with your analysis. I already explained my case. It hurts that you don’t see it, though. :/

This is not a matter of pride but integrity. I am the first person to admit when I’m wrong about anything and hold out an olive branch/apologise but if I apologize when I’m

not

wrong, then it makes all my genuine heart-felt apologies worthless. That’s way, you always know I’m sincere and not bsing you.

I obviously don’t take issue with his analysis of my play, though I vehemently disagree with it. He crossed the line and he knows it and that is what he owes me an apology for - nothing else.

I understand his frustration but that doesn’t give him or anyone the right to browbeat and disrespect me that way and I shouldn’t have to apologize for being the recipient of that. I played the best I could best on my analysis of the situation at the time. I’m obviously unhappy that my best efforts ultimately failed but that in no way makes me a bad player and the only thing I need to feel bad about, was - well nothing actually but if I ever let FL fool me again, then I absolutely will take all of the lumps rightly coming to me.

[DrewVa]

Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse here but...

@Nancy.

Just ignore Cerb. Seems like he always plays poorly and then rags on others. As if admitting that he played poorly gives him a right to fuss at others. Maybe he should put more effort into his own play?

That said, its a game and ppl make the wrong call. I didn't read enough to understand what happened but you should have taken the time to ISO both of them and maybe have some dialogue with the two of them.

I still love you though and my feelings are more important than Cerbs

In mafia, there's always going to be an element of luck. FL

DID

play well and he's come a long ass way since I first started playing with him. I'm kind of the opinion that town always wins mafia games and scum only win mafia games b/c town played poorly. Anytime that anyone does anything remotely impressive they get nommed for a scummy.

shrugz

<3 <3 <3

Thanks, I really do appreciate this. What I’ve been trying to explain is that I did all that pre-LYLO. DVa and myself didn’t even consider that FL could ever still be scum here. Add to the pressure he kept putting on me, also adversely affected me.

I was 100% expecting to be viewed as conftown at that point and FL seeming to doubt me, threw me and I really believed that Amzela had to be the SK and that she was going to quickhammer, if I didn’t beat her to it. The fact of the matter was I got played good by FL. \_0_/

But in the future, I intend to do my damndest, to make sure history won’t repeat itself.

[DrewVa]

Yeah but

YELLING

@ her accomplishes nothing except you getting your jollies. If you want to sit there and explain what she did wrong so she can grow and be better fine but telling her she's a hot mess only adds venom and a fight.

Well that’s the part he needs to apologize for but I obviously won’t be holding my breath. If the tables were turned, he wouldn’t even have to ask me for an apology. That’s the obvious difference between us.

[DrewVa]

oh.

I was actually scum reading FL eod 1. Of course, I didn't get a chance to say so and then I sent A50 a pm to try to guess the scum team but I had included Thor and DGB b/c I had read some stuff in the dead thread and I felt like him and Jingle had hinted they were scum. So there's no evidence to support my claim so feel free to believe/not believe.

Only scum that fooled me was Gamma and Chick and I guess kinda Wisdom. Like Wisdom was an early scum read but I kinda dropped that.

Yeah, he had us fooled. If we had investigated Amzela instead of Thor, we might have won. We were afraid to investigate FL until the end and figured wrongly that scum had to be between Daveas and Amzela.

I give mad props to DVa because she called him out for being an SK from the getgo.

As for Wisdom, we hardtown read him and short of a guilty, were likely never lynching him.

[DrewVa]

Mafia assigns FL to kill profii. (Fail - FL is already targeting someone else with a kill)

lol!!!

I didn’t want you dead. I think I told Almost that.

You were necessary to keep alive for a bit.

Why did you kill Fortian over us, the SK hunters?

[DrewVa]

Yeah but

YELLING

@ her accomplishes nothing except you getting your jollies. If you want to sit there and explain what she did wrong so she can grow and be better fine but telling her she's a hot mess only adds venom and a fight.

Well that’s the part he needs to apologize for but I obviously won’t be holding my breath.

If the tables were turned, he wouldn’t even have to ask me for an apology. That’s the obvious difference between us.

@Cerb: I'm pretty much the same way. I was even tempted to implement a 'Wisdom-of-the-Mod' rule about not letting players who I know couch games in toxic rhetoric, but I'm going to stand by not having any blacklists on my games.

@Nancy: Please don't judge someone so harshly for providing harshly worded criticism, even if it's not due. I honestly think you should both apologize to each other, to some degree. I think you misplayed LYLO here, too, and if I was town, I'd be really frustrated about it, too, just like I was with Shoshin in the post-game of TAZ mafia; but it's more about being frustrated with a person's play and not voicing it in a way that person is going to appreciate or actually care to grapple with.

No Varsoon, I don’t have any reason to apologize, because I disagree with your analysis. I already explained my case. It hurts that you don’t see it, though. :/

This is not a matter of pride but integrity. I am the first person to admit when I’m wrong about anything and hold out an olive branch/apologise but if I apologize when I’m

not

wrong, then it makes all my genuine heart-felt apologies worthless.

That’s way, you always know I’m sincere and not bsing you.

???

How is this a contradiction - even remotely? If I shat all over you for losing us a game, I 100% would have apologized for that - w/o ever having to be asked.

[DrewVa]

Yeah but

YELLING

@ her accomplishes nothing except you getting your jollies. If you want to sit there and explain what she did wrong so she can grow and be better fine but telling her she's a hot mess only adds venom and a fight.

Unfortunately, at no point did she express any belief that she actually made a mistake. I told her, repeatedly, that I'd gladly have a conversation with her about the things I saw as mistakes that were made in terms of this games LYLO, but rather than engaging me on that topic she made the conversation about the hypocrisy she perceived in me criticizing her play when my own was lackluster. Had she, at any point, just expressed a desire to have a conversation about this difference in opinions/what it was I thought she had done wrong, we could have had that conversation. I agree that I could have approached all of this in a more conciliatory fashion that did not invite conflict, but I chose not to because that wouldn't have accurately reflected how I felt about the situation.

No offense, seriously but do you really need a building to fall on your head to understand Nero’s point? Do you seriously think I’m going to listen to a goddamned thing after that? Can you really be this unbelievably dense?

[DrewVa]

I also don't feel that I have any reason to apologize because I did not do anything wrong; my decision to not apologize to you is because doing so would require that I sacrifice my integrity to appease you. *shrug*

It's not any different.

And yep, check out the dead thread, that was one of the things you guys had wrong going into LYLO with your first post.

Yeah we get it. DVa nailed you dead to rights. Your mistake. is thinking that’s ever something to be proud of. *smdh*

[DrewVa]

VOTE: Gladiate DrewVa and Cerb

I’d settle for just muzzling him at this point. Amzela must be a saint, is all I have to add to that.

[DrewVa]

Dva, you're bad, and you should feel bad.

like, you're being toxic right out of the gate.

Yeah, like your point is so obvious. He just doesn’t want to admit any wrongdoing here. As for my play, I really do believe what I’ve been saying. This isn’t false pride talking at all. I genuinely believe I did the best I could under the circumstances - short of having a more experienced player to guide me at the time. So, I honestly don’t understand what Cerb and anyone else is wanting me to “admit” to. If I really feel I played badly, 1 100% would admit it but I didn’t. I was just simply WRONG and I won’t apologize for not being God.

[DrewVa]

VOTE: Gladiate DrewVa and Cerb

Are you loyal?

Rofl

[DrewVa]

VOTE: Gladiate DrewVa and Cerb

Are you loyal?

I'll let you know next week

Fuck gladiate, can’t I just desperado him instead? I don’t even care if I have to die, to make it happen.

[DrewVa]

Also, ftr: Had I not known how hard Amzela was working last night, and how much it stressed her trying to figure the game out so she'd make the right decision if she was alive this morning, I likely wouldn't have been so harsh towards you DrewVa, but knowing how much it was affecting her the actions you guys took felt very disrespectful of her and anyone else who may have tried just as hard and been just as invested in this game.

That's really why I used so much vitriol in my initial engagement, rather than the nicer alternatives. *shrug*

Alright, I genuinely feel bad for that but I already explained why I did what I did. I wasn’t intending to be disrespectful, and I sincerely apologize to Amzela, if she interpreted it that way. That was 100, never my intention. I already explained my reasoning and you’re being unfair to me, to disregard the position FL put me in. I thought he was unstable town and going to gamethrow and she had to be scum. Like I have said, over and over and over again, ad nauseum. I thought she was going to quickhammer me, if I didn’t beat her to it. Believe me, this is as far from the typical way I usually play LYLO, as you can get. \_0_/

[DrewVa]

VOTE: Gladiate DrewVa and Cerb

I’d settle for just muzzling him at this point. Amzela must be a saint, is all I have to add to that.

AmmiZLToday at 5:14 PM

Mmm... I don’t like how Nancy attacked you but also she’s sensitive and you dug so can’t blame her.
Your online persona is different than how you are in person
Cerberus v6.66Today at 5:16 PM
mhm
My online persona is identical to how I am
just not in mafia
idk, mafia is weird
:-/

From our discord a bit ago.

And yes, I did get her permission to post that.

In post game discussions I'm a lot less accepting of people not accepting criticism than I am in life in general, and I'm a lot less..nice, I suppose. Feel free to look around the site at me posting in other contexts if you actually want to get a view of how I am.

Why aren’t you listening to what your girlfriend is telling you? You’d be a better and much wiser man if you did. Amzela is very smart and you need to listen to what she says. She is inspirationally wise. If she ever lands a gig as a motivational speaker, I want tickets.

[DrewVa]

@Nero - you successfully affected me TWICE with your bus driver. You changed one of Alonzo’s results that I got that if I mentioned would have got me killed, haha

Nero=GOAT

[DrewVa]

Cerb seems like he really wants to make peace

Today I was out, nice day for a walk, visiting my fam. Went to the grocery store and saw there were some delicious salted macadamia nuts on sale. I picked some up; seemed like a nice treat for a cool night.

This is the holiday season, and you know, it's a time where we're meant to reflect on the spirit of giving.

What I'm trying to say here Cerb is that you're welcome to lick my salty nuts

I want to nominate this as the best post of the entire thread

Yeah, DVa’s the best. <3

and That was also pretty funny.

[DrewVa]

The lesson to take away from all this is that you should always lynch the Boon, even if the mod says he's the same alignment as you

And isn't that a lesson we can all take to heart?

+1

[DrewVa]

VOTE: Gladiate DrewVa and Cerb

I’d settle for just muzzling him at this point. Amzela must be a saint, is all I have to add to that.

AmmiZLToday at 5:14 PM

Mmm... I don’t like how Nancy attacked you but also she’s sensitive and you dug so can’t blame her.
Your online persona is different than how you are in person
Cerberus v6.66Today at 5:16 PM
mhm
My online persona is identical to how I am
just not in mafia
idk, mafia is weird
:-/

From our discord a bit ago.

And yes, I did get her permission to post that.

In post game discussions I'm a lot less accepting of people not accepting criticism than I am in life in general, and I'm a lot less..nice, I suppose. Feel free to look around the site at me posting in other contexts if you actually want to get a view of how I am.

Why aren’t you listening to what your girlfriend is telling you? You’d be a better and much wiser man if you did. Amzela is very smart and you need to listen to what she says. She is inspirationally wise. If she ever lands a gig as a motivational speaker, I want tickets.

Lol DrewVa I spent the majority of last night spiraling into mental instability and crying on Cerb at 1 in the morning because of the game. I’m the last person you want as a motivational speaker.

For the record, it’s not the loss or win, it’s the ability to play that gets to me. I’m surrounded by very smart people and I am the pathos person of the group, not the logos. It gets to me is all.

But Cerb stop being a butt and acknowledge that Nancy and DVa did very well, especially after the extraordinarily long discussion of name blaming between you two that took forever to iso through. Nancy is no diubtedly going to try and get better, just like you will as I know you.

Also FL, you deserve that nomination. If you’re able to make a player get yelled at for shouting at her computer about how she doesn’t understand what the fuck you’re doing but you’re somehow town, you’re doing something right.

Cerb has better treat you right and keep you happy. Well, your posts make me feel better. Sorry, I got tricked by FL. I wasn’t trying to disrespect you. I have nothing but respect for you. You seem like a really amazing person.

[DrewVa]

I'm totally in to play Overkill 3 where I roll the Global Roleblocker role.

And Overkill 4 where scum just doesn't submit Night kills on N1 because "What's the point? Toog'll stop em all anyway."

How does Toogeloo keep getting all of these weird roles?

[DrewVa]

I'm totally in to play Overkill 3 where I roll the Global Roleblocker role.

Global vig role > global roleblocker role.

[DrewVa]

I just wanted to add that Cerb’s criticism of my play is unwarranted because A50, told me that the player(s) whoo received Alonzo’s results were pre-determined and he never responded to my question about whether they were town or not, so I assumed they were.

I mainly tr FL BECAUSE it was blatantly obvious that he was telling the truth about Alonzo’s results. Had it not been for that, no way in hell, would FL have ever fooled me here.

[DrewVa]

Lmk when overkill 3 starts, consider this my pre-in

i'll also take this
i feel like i'd have more fun if i was here to begin with

Replacing into a scumslot is never fun - especially a DOOMED scumslot.

I learned that the hard way, when I replaced Shortaru in Halloween Dance.

So I now try to do a brief ISO and most recent VCA check, if I’m considering subbing in.