mini 2048: more songs (game ougre)

[Trivium]

No. No, no no! VOTE: Wagonomics

I already have the scum team here, that's why lolwagons is dead. Wagonomic's blatant attempt not to vote their scumbuddy near the end of yesterday sealed the deal. Look through day 1 with that lense. I mean actually read it all the way through. Profli/wagonomics/golden or my arms

[Egix96]

Ugh why did LW have to die?
I haven't looked at this game in a while (been busy w/ other stuff) but I'm just gonna
VOTE: Wagonomcs
for now.
No, the fact that he chose me specifically for his 'CFD' is irrelevant.

[Lapsa]

sash knows he read it right

Come again?

that's also a reference to #389

I do think about that post and you were asking my thoughts

slight scumlean on him

[Nikk]

sash knows he read it right

Come again?

that's also a reference to #389

I do think about that post and you were asking my thoughts

slight scumlean on him

/nod

But like bronze medal scumlead.

[Lapsa]

/poop

he's-on-my-golden-watchlist like scumread.

[profii]

Ugh why did LW have to die?
I haven't looked at this game in a while (been busy w/ other stuff) but I'm just gonna
VOTE: Wagonomcs
for now.
No, the fact that he chose me specifically for his 'CFD' is irrelevant.

Well if wagonomics flips scum you are lock town

[Robert2424]

[tubular bells]
japanese breakfast - here come the tubular bells

d1 final vote count

TheGoldenParadox (7):

Trivium, LolWagons, Egix96, xwing, Nikk, profii, Robert2424

Robert2424 (2):

Doughboy, Flubbernugget

Lapsa (1):

Sashaddin

profii (1):

TheGoldenParadox

Egix96 (1):

Wagonomics

not voting (1):

Lapsa

with 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch.

VOTE: TGP



Done

Night

Gonna cop Robert

any thing to say young Robert?

Well, I'm not young, being 27 years old (At least younger then probally most people here) and in the Air Force. If your trying to get me to react to your "I'm going cop you Robert", well, I'm waiting, oh wait, there is no cop. I didn't say anything incase scum didn't read those details and tried to kill you for it. If your wanting me to RC, I'll wait to vote count or closer.

When it became clear Wagonomics wasn't going to commit to the Golden lynch, gave me the confidence that Golden might be scum then. He did flip scum and we are in a decent spot. I'll admit, I was wrong on my initial read on Golden, and others were right all along. Now we have allot to work with compared to yesterday. Wagonomics unwillingness to hammer Golden like he said seems like a bad attempt to lull people into thinking the wagon was going to happen and during the holidays nobody getting back on to finish off the wagon. However, I love to play mafia, so I was planning on checking in frequently.

Lapsa and Wagonomics were unwilling to jump on the golden wagon. Golden was unwilling to jump on the Lapsa wagon. I mean, there no logical sense in Golden doing that. As much as Lapsa going to just say I'm shading him, its facts. I wouldn't be surprised if Lapsa and Wagonomics are the scum team. Though Profili was on Trivium list, he just seems agressive, but I guess he could be end up part of the scum team as well.

Vote Wagonomics

Our most logical route is following peoples unwillingness, starting with his play yesterday.

[Flubbernugget]

Because it is stupendously antitown to not.
While it does prevent any scum roles from targeting me and lets them know that they can kill me for free, it tells the town roles not to waste their action on me. Thus, they can use their role on someone who it will work on.

This goes for anyone else ascetic as well.

[Sashaddin]

I thought about either Trivium-Robert or Lapsa-Wagonomics. I'm less and less sure about those first, so

VOTE: Wagonomics

[Sashaddin]

^^L-1

[Lapsa]

Ugh why did LW have to die?
I haven't looked at this game in a while (been busy w/ other stuff) but I'm just gonna
VOTE: Wagonomcs
for now.
No, the fact that he chose me specifically for his 'CFD' is irrelevant.

Well if wagonomics flips scum you are lock town

how does that work?

[Wagonomics]

I am ascetic.

So I've been thinking about this over night. First, I believe mastina, I think it is very likely she would lie about being ascetic as either alignment.

However, I do think it could be a scum claim.

I'd like you to look at the last three setups schadd has modded in New York/normal queue. In any, does he have a situation where there would be the level of explicit negative utility between a 2-shot loyal neighborizor (likely town's strongest investigative) and a town role?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=76388

Here we have weak fruit vendor and a 1-shot roleblocker (which could theoretically block that fruit vendor in case of mass claim)

The closest we would get to loyal neighborizor + ascetic would be here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77101

jailkeeper + fruit vendor

Schadd did do (town neap + ascetic) but he made both informed that the other was town, thus guaranteeing there would be no negative utility.

So while mastina is likely a real ascetic it seems like it would make more sense for her to be a scum ascetic (to have a way to deny the hard guilty from loyal neighborizor) than a town negative utility when the town investigative was already heavily gated. After all, schadd advertises his setups based on "no cops"; I don't think he likes scum having no response to a hard guilty.

Now given the speed of Sashaddin's L-1 on me I'm still pretty happy of my scumread there but I think this might be better.

VOTE: mastina

[Wagonomics]

That's a weird way to ask people to join a counter wagon on a scum slot dude

It is a weird way. So you need to think through the likelihood of whether I am scum that was trying to save a buddy slot, or town that did not actually know with certainty that the slot was flipping scum.

Now I understand that people think I was pushing a counter-wagon to scum. Because clearly that is objectively what was happening. The question is whether you think I would do that as scum, which is to say, do you think I am an idiot?

You should think about my relative position before the L-1. I was basically being universally ignored. If I came in, L-1'd, and then hammered scum, I would earn a fair amount of towncred and be in a position today where I could coast.

So I guess my question is, why, as scum, would I L-1 my buddy only to lose any and all towncred by backing off the wagon once I had already committed to it? If the whole point of the ITH was to gain towncred, why would I sacrifice that to... save a goon who was probably going down anyway?

vs.

I was town and changed my mind based on his reaction to ITH.

Obviously I can't totally defend my play at end of day yesterday because I was so clearly wrong in my changing read. But I don't see how you would think it clearly lines up to a scum strategy.

[Wagonomics]

When it became clear Wagonomics wasn't going to commit to the Golden lynch, gave me the confidence that Golden might be scum then.

If you were confident, why did you hammer before my ITH window passed? Theoretically there was still 10 more minutes before I could have changed my mind yet again. While I was second-guessing myself, it's odd to assume I was not going to hammer Golden when I said "I will hammer Golden in 3 hours" and you decided to hammer after 2 and a half hours. If your goal was to get a read on me, why not see if I would keep to my word?

[Wagonomics]

I thought about either Trivium-Robert or Lapsa-Wagonomics. I'm less and less sure about those first, so

VOTE: Wagonomics

I do encourage you to look at Sashaddin's town games and show me an example of him jumping from one leading wagon to another on d2.

[Wagonomics]

No, the fact that he chose me specifically for his 'CFD' is irrelevant.

I kinda find this unlikely to be true and I think you should think more critically about whether scum actually plays the end of day 1 like that.

[Wagonomics]

When it became clear Wagonomics wasn't going to commit to the Golden lynch, gave me the confidence that Golden might be scum then

This actually really bothers me because the whole point of an ITH is when the conversation dried up and we had a number of interesting reactions after my ITH. I actually felt like interesting conversation was happening and I wanted to see whether TGP would commit to an Egix wagon. Like, you're acting like we had gotten all the useful associative tells out of him that we were going to get, when that was not obviously the case.

[Wagonomics]

Profli/wagonomics/golden or my arms

Just out of curiosity, how many coins are your arms worth?

[profii]

So we have to decide between:


Mastina - “don’t cop me I’m ascetic lols”

Or

Wagonomics - “I would have obviously have cashed in on that sweet town cred if I was scum by bussing TGP”

[Lapsa]

@triv stay strong! don't give in to temptation!

[Lapsa]

As much as Lapsa going to just say I'm shading him, its facts.

my point is - there's no town intent mentioning obvious baits

[Wagonomics]

Wagonomics - “I would have obviously have cashed in on that sweet town cred if I was scum by bussing TGP”

I want you to ask yourself, seriously ask yourself, if someone named wagonomics would not cash in on town cred if he was scum

[profii]

Let’s not mix the gimmick and the game, seeing as you have given up in the gimmick now pressure is coming your way eh


In fact - intent to hammer, claim?

[Wagonomics]

So we have to decide between:


Mastina - “don’t cop me I’m ascetic lols”

Or

Wagonomics - “I would have obviously have cashed in on that sweet town cred if I was scum by bussing TGP”

Robert's push also pisses me off a bit and I'm second-guessing my townread there, and Sashaddin is playing pretty differently than his town meta tbh.

Also, for someone who does a reaction test every single day, I find it a bit offensive that you don't even entertain the notion that my "CFD" was a reaction test. I mean it wasn't, but I don't see why you wouldn't think it was given that it is only a CFD *if I still intend to hammer* since otherwise the day just keeps going on

[Wagonomics]

In fact - intent to hammer, claim?

I've dropped the gimmick and now you want to ITH before you talk to me?

Profii don't be a douche