Open 744 - Lovers and Losers [endgame]

[Donempire]

Mike unvote yourself please

I understand your enthusiasm but i couldnt give 2 shits about this game, so stop raging and get yourself together

P:edit =idk i didnt really read the game so i just wanna get on with it

[Michael Scott]

Wait.

UNVOTE:

[Michael Scott]

I understand your enthusiasm but i couldnt give 2 shits about this game, so stop raging and get yourself together

I'm not raging, Dong, I've argued it's the theory-optimal move at the moment.
Do you disagree with my reasoning there?

[Egix96]

I've seen enough.

VOTE: Michael Scott

If you're not scum, of course I'll vote Clem next.

[Donempire]

I suppose its plausible.

Whatever the case, clem hasnt put any kind of theory forward so sure i'll bite

[Michael Scott]

Of course you will, wait though, I need some time to lock into one of you/Clemency being scum.

[Donempire]

Hammerer gets instalynched if he doesnt wait for michaels last words at least

[LolWagons]

Michael you think it’s a coincidence your wagon started after I started pushing dong?

I don’t.

[Bambi Jay]

Damnit Egi why must you be my partner. Let this shit play out.

@Mod: pretty please let me have a new partner? Preferably either Dong or Overkill so I know which one to lynch next

#howcouldthishappentome.

[Egix96]

Too bad, you're stuck with me

[Michael Scott]

Michael you think it’s a coincidence your wagon started after I started pushing dong?

I don’t.

Yeah, I think it is; the way I see it, my preferred lynch was 0verki11, and Bambi's already really anti-logic and what not. Scum!Clemency capitalized on this instantly, hoping to ML me. Notice how he voted Dong as well, though

[Michael Scott]

Michael you think it’s a coincidence your wagon started after I started pushing dong?

I don’t.

Now, to both Bambi and Elsa, the optimal votes for them are to crossvote, so there's no chance of a VT kill.
This instantly means you don't care about sorting Dong/0verki11, they both become irrelevant once I'm dead.
The lack of posts from 0verki11 make it hard to association-lock Bambi|Clem. On a whole, VTs are therefore now irrelevant.

Agree? Time's better spent on purely analysing Egix/Bambi and Clem/0verki11.

[Michael Scott]

I've seen enough.

VOTE: Michael Scott

If you're not scum, of course I'll vote Clem next.

This is concerning and made me suddenly step back on Clem being lockscum~

Egix, what's your case on me?

[Michael Scott]

Hammerer gets instalynched if he doesnt wait for michaels last words at least

Both other lover pairs fully voted for me and 0verki11 isn't here.
If there's a hammer, it has to be me, or one of you and Lolwagons.
Lolwagons townreads me, so I don't think he'll hammer.
I don't think you'd quickhammer either, let's you, me and Lolwagons sort out who's more probable from Bambi|Clem first.

[LolWagons]

Michael you think it’s a coincidence your wagon started after I started pushing dong?

I don’t.

Now, to both Bambi and Elsa, the optimal votes for them are to crossvote, so there's no chance of a VT kill.
This instantly means you don't care about sorting Dong/0verki11, they both become irrelevant once I'm dead.
The lack of posts from 0verki11 make it hard to association-lock Bambi|Clem. On a whole, VTs are therefore now irrelevant.

Agree? Time's better spent on purely analysing Egix/Bambi and Clem/0verki11.

Nope. Optimal play is still to lynch the VT. If we sort wrong I want that extra Townie in lylo.

[Michael Scott]

Nope. Optimal play is still to lynch the VT. If we sort wrong I want that extra Townie in lylo.

Optimal play is to lynch the VT, however we have one town lover pair already voting for me -- so optimal play for us changes based on this.
If we get a mislynch today, I'd be quicklynched tomorrow by that derp town lover pair.

Lynching VTs is optimal but also subject to all town agreeing to it, which isn't the case here.

[LolWagons]

I don’t compromise on lynches. Egix knows that well.

We lynch out of VT claims.

[LolWagons]

Then it’s my job to convince them to play optimally through convincing rhetoric and save compromise for only near deadline, not throw in the towel now.

[Bambi Jay]

We've gone past the point of lynching a VT at this point, Lol. 2 lover sets are deadset on Michael and by extension McQueen's head. I have no intention of letting Michael squeeze out of this with you being his 3rd scum partner still being possible, so unless you get the VT to vote themselves, I dont think a VT lynch is possible.

[Michael Scott]

I don’t compromise on lynches. Egix knows that well.

We lynch out of VT claims.

Bud, you're tied to me and McQueen here.
Say we lynch Dong today, and he flips green.
Come tomorrow, Clemency is going to allege that you and I and McQueen are scum, and bandwagon onto you/me.
Bambi|Egix also join in because reasons, and I become the mislynch, thus letting scum win.

[LolWagons]

No, “we” haven’t. You have. You act like it’s set in stone when you have control to change it.

[LolWagons]

I don’t compromise on lynches. Egix knows that well.

We lynch out of VT claims.

Bud, you're tied to me and McQueen here.
Say we lynch Dong today, and he flips green.
Come tomorrow, Clemency is going to allege that you and I and McQueen are scum, and bandwagon onto you/me.
Bambi|Egix also join in because reasons, and I become the mislynch, thus letting scum win.

Dong isn’t going to flip town lol

[Michael Scott]

Then it’s my job to convince them to play optimally through convincing rhetoric and save compromise for only near deadline, not throw in the towel now.

There's no convincing, Bambi's play is full on derp and she isn't going to change that. As long as two townlover pairs are convinced that you're scum with me, there's no way we're not ML'd in D2, Lolwagons.

Next game I'll PL Bambi Jay if she goes "Logic therefore scum" to perfectly good town strats in an open game.

[Bambi Jay]

Well look at where pure logic and a lazy lover got you.

[Donempire]

Lynch me then and try 50/50, spouting bullshit from there isnt usefull