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Post Post #32 (isolation #0) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:41 am

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I’ve been thinking about this for a while now, while playing and reading other games. On the subject of the whole RVS thing, why do we do RVS and is it really the best? I was wondering if we could find any alternatives to RVS because the whole thing is kinda well, random, and Day 1’s feel a bit too random in my taste.

So here’s my thought process behind the point of RVS. It’s not really supposed to be random, your supposed to vote people you know to sort of reaction test them or do an early wagon, something along those ideas to basically sort the awkward people from the smooth and suave. But playing a bunch of newbie games, where half the player list is unrecognizable and awkward no matter what, because they are newbies leads me to the belief that day 1 really is just a newbie/not_mafia genocide of sorts, not a good place to kill scum, you know what I mean? And voting people you are familiar with, it’s not really fair right? People should always shake up their meta a bit to find what’s optimal, at least I do it a lot because I’m still trying to find that successful style, and I doubt anyone has perfected their game. Voting your friends and not getting the right reaction is punishing them for trying to do better, or voting your friends and getting the right reaction can lead to bad townreads (because the point of scum is to look town!)

So then I was thinking, does RVS provide anything more? There exists the claim about interactions in RVS to find associatives and stuff, but I feel like we’ve evolved as site enough to understand that RVS is too jokey to be taken seriously, it's all wifom, people who claim they found the scum team in RVS are most likely full of themselves.

Considering all of these reasons for why RVS kinda sucks, I read the wiki and some articles on RVS, and they mostly pointed to the same ideas: RVS sucks but it’s alternatives are worse. Don’t do RQS blah blah blah.

But what makes RQS garbage? Looking at the wiki article, the disadvantages are that the questions suck, but is it really that hard to create some good questions rather than begin the game with lighthearted and low pressure playstyle? If we ask the right questions, maybe RQS won’t lead us to scum, but it’s a great way to philosophically start the game, get to know how each person plays and processes the game so we don’t genocide the unfamiliar. Maybe for people unfamiliar with the player list, it’ll help a lot, and it’ll establish some basic guidelines of how people process games so in the future of the game, town can come back to the beginning and look for inconsistencies and the scum override-al of normal town behavior relative to the person.

Anyways this post was a roundabout attempt of starting a better, “enlightened” RQS rather than going with the same old RVS. Let’s start a discussion on why RQS sucks, why we do RVS. But let’s get down to the meat of the reasons why, like the fundamental ideas of your beliefs. You’ve seen my thought process of RVS and RQS, so what’s your thought process?

Pedit: I know people don't like reading large blocs of text and skip to the end, but please just read this one.
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Post Post #35 (isolation #1) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:02 am

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In post 33, Varsoon wrote:I don't think RVS or RQS suck, I just think that people use RVS as an excuse to not have to be held accountable for their early play.
VOTE: OkaPoka

But why are you dropping a thick text block theorycrafting instead of addressing the fact we've got a wagon at L-3?
Do you think scum or town or both alignments do that? Is it a person thing or an alignment thing? Why do you think people act this way?

I don't feel like I need to address the wagon? It exists, great. But nothing has been said so far that makes me feel like I can make a judgement call on someone's alignment. L-3 isn't L-1.
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Post Post #38 (isolation #2) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:09 am

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If everyone is willing to answer my questions and a serious version of RQS, then we can establish some fundamental ideas of how people play to help us not lynch then unfamiliar and detect what is opportunism for them vs just trying to create pressure.

Maybe it should go to MD, but not everyone will answer the question(s), and the point is that we get the entire playerlist discussing something game-related and start the game off serious rather than joke-y
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Post Post #46 (isolation #3) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:40 am

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In post 41, Varsoon wrote:
In post 35, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 33, Varsoon wrote:I don't think RVS or RQS suck, I just think that people use RVS as an excuse to not have to be held accountable for their early play.
VOTE: OkaPoka

But why are you dropping a thick text block theorycrafting instead of addressing the fact we've got a wagon at L-3?
Do you think scum or town or both alignments do that? Is it a person thing or an alignment thing? Why do you think people act this way?

I don't feel like I need to address the wagon? It exists, great. But nothing has been said so far that makes me feel like I can make a judgement call on someone's alignment. L-3 isn't L-1.
I think both alignments do it and it's a site-meta thing.

I think that it's a nice bit for a thread on the General Mafia Discussion forums and really doesn't have much place here, given we're already out of RVS.
Please engage with the game at hand.

VOTE: YyottaCat
Alright now it's L-2.
What do you think of the wagon and the players voting it, OkaPoka?
i think you l2ing yvotta to test me is cool, but ultimately meaningless

what is interesting is that suka moved off, though it wasn't explicitly stated i think there is the implication of her being worried of a yvotta fast hammer. but i want to hear actual words from her.
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Post Post #60 (isolation #4) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:55 pm

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Suka are you true newbie?
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Post Post #62 (isolation #5) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:13 pm

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even if you think my wall post is a disaster and my ideas suck could u all still respond to it tho

thanks
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Post Post #64 (isolation #6) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:16 pm

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I want to first go with the why do you like RVS over RQS and what fundamental beliefs led you to that. Then we can go deeper.
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Post Post #66 (isolation #7) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:28 pm

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Understanding the fundamental way people think about the game is one way to get to know how they play though?

For example, here's something I believe.

I know for a fact that I'm not the best at scumhunting, especially early on when a lot we have to do is tonereading and stuff like that. So it contributes to my belief that day 1 should be used to lynch people that are troll-y and harm the scumhunting environment.

Whatever, if you don't want to play my game, I guess you don't have to. But it can't hurt to humor me right? Like what if this is the optimal way to play day 1? Unless you've played a game in which this went down poorly, then in which case I'm interested in reading that game.
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Post Post #69 (isolation #8) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:35 pm

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I am engaging with the game?

whatever

ill tone it down
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Post Post #70 (isolation #9) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:38 pm

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its just frustrating because I get criticized for messy/spontaneous play but as soon as I try and get a bit neater with it people don't like it

but if its raw, unfiltered okapoka u want i guess u can have.
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Post Post #71 (isolation #10) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:40 pm

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VOTE: Suka

Answer my question. Are you a newb or not?
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Post Post #76 (isolation #11) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:03 pm

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Response to KMD:

Honestly all I feel like is that rb and creature are going to be a pain the ass to read.

Maybe others too, but those too especially have a certain tone in which I won't be able to tell when they are joking and when they are completely serious.

also suka needs to answer my question


going to need more info before i make any calls yet. like yvotta might actually be scum here but I don't know what voting her is going to do to convince me one way or another
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Post Post #77 (isolation #12) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:03 pm

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two*
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Post Post #83 (isolation #13) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:48 pm

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im just sad because i want to test out rqs over rvs but ive been denied basically. sometimes hearing no sucks

anyways

how has anything rb done led u to the idea he is town

also suka we arent going to get along are we

can u give some whys and stuff.
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Post Post #85 (isolation #14) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:54 pm

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are u giving me the mafia equivalent of the bird right now
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Post Post #89 (isolation #15) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:30 pm

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rb want to help me send suka to the shadow realm
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Post Post #94 (isolation #16) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:09 pm

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sorry what does sturdy mean here ?
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Post Post #96 (isolation #17) » Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:16 pm

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>_<

u know what i mean
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Post Post #127 (isolation #18) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:42 am

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If you don't explain your reads how do you expect anyone to follow you.
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Post Post #139 (isolation #19) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:36 pm

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suka are you still just going to ignore me?
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Post Post #150 (isolation #20) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:49 pm

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creature could i sell you on a suka vote?

he's ignoring me/selectively ignoring certain questions
and he's being muddy with his reads/votes
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Post Post #152 (isolation #21) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:05 pm

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who here needs some wining and dining for them to vote suka
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Post Post #157 (isolation #22) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:59 pm

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It's clear who you are scumreading/voting

it's not clear why you are doing the things the way you are

if you want an example, your case on nero is he is bussing DDL, but DDL isn't flipped yet so at best they have equal scum equity and then you are preflipping and then ???
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Post Post #162 (isolation #23) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:04 pm

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i think the fact that im having this discussion with you means that i don't understand your thought process and it seems all very confbias-y

i guess conf-biasing happens to town a lot but you are doing it in a kinda extreme manner

so could u explain the whys then?
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Post Post #164 (isolation #24) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:06 pm

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rb come back so suka has incentive to actually talk to me ;-;
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Post Post #167 (isolation #25) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:14 pm

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ill engage

why are nero cain's actions scum motivated and not town motivated?
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Post Post #169 (isolation #26) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:19 pm

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I don't see Nero Cain's post as an overreaction?
In post 117, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 114, Suka wrote:VOTE: Nero

DrDo's bussing. Last partner is Vars or Oka.
What makes you think I'm getting bussed instead of you know just getting pushed by scum?
this one right?
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Post Post #171 (isolation #27) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:26 pm

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Don't you think its possible that he is just a paranoid town player? I know I've had that internal dialogue before, I usually don't type it out but still.
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Post Post #176 (isolation #28) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:02 pm

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In post 172, DrDolittle wrote:or he could be scumbutt trying to make much out of nothing at all.
i guess its possible but the point is your tell is more NAI and not too convincing
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Post Post #180 (isolation #29) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:23 pm

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where did YyottaCat go
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Post Post #183 (isolation #30) » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:41 pm

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IS IT TIME FOR THE LYLO LIABILITY TALK
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Post Post #219 (isolation #31) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:44 am

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Creature u r triggering me

What do you want me to respond to
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Post Post #258 (isolation #32) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:15 pm

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varsoon reminds me of formerfish

creature

what do you mean by reads coming before reasoning?
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Post Post #261 (isolation #33) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:21 pm

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memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=21997

You remind me of this player
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Post Post #263 (isolation #34) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:29 pm

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I guess we'll see.

Do you typically scumread people who fence-sit?
Do you hate people who can't give a straight yes or no?
Do you like 1v1ing people?
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Post Post #266 (isolation #35) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:37 pm

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I guess gut reads sure

But reads you act on should have some basis in reasoning, no? Otherwise I feel like then you'd be looking for reasons to townread/scumread someone and then we enter the magical land of confbiasing. Because I'd say 90% of actions (I made that number up) are actions that both scum and town would do, it's the 10% that really matters.
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Post Post #270 (isolation #36) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:44 pm

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y do we have to say words about any1 if unprompted ?
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Post Post #292 (isolation #37) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:36 am

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Yyotta how are you feeling about this game?
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Post Post #317 (isolation #38) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:49 am

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In post 311, Suka wrote:Nero's questions don't feel like the questions of someone trying to sort Creature's alignment, and his follow-up misread (Nero should be leaning town on Creature, not scum) feels off.
Could you elaborate? I don't see your point.


Also what gender pronoun do you prefer, Suka?
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Post Post #319 (isolation #39) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:06 pm

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fwiw i dont think being mean is AI some people, it varies but a lot of people including myself can get rude depending on rl and in game circumstances
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Post Post #338 (isolation #40) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:59 pm

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Yyotta could you walk me through your thought process?
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Post Post #368 (isolation #41) » Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:04 am

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Bef have you read the game yet
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Post Post #396 (isolation #42) » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:41 pm

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I just think Suka has a scum mindset of being not transparent and overly conf-biasing.
I don't think there needs to be more reason than that.

but cool post nonetheless
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Post Post #398 (isolation #43) » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:46 pm

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What's wrong with TMIy tho?
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Post Post #449 (isolation #44) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:11 pm

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What's wrong with putting people on L1?
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Post Post #456 (isolation #45) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:21 pm

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Yyotta is going to get prodded soon so that should be resolved + she posted elsewhere on site yesterday.

My main worry rn is that certain people aren't actually reading the game.
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Post Post #458 (isolation #46) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:24 pm

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The thing is I don't think Yyotta is actually reading the game so votes won't matter to her

Sure maybe out of policy we lynch Yyotta but I think suka has a chance of being scum here so
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Post Post #461 (isolation #47) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:31 pm

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In post 459, Suka wrote:
In post 458, OkaPoka wrote:I think suka has a chance of being scum
From your perspective, who doesn't have a chance of being scum?
you know what i mean

suka has a *decent/sizable/enough to matter* chance of being scum
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Post Post #462 (isolation #48) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:31 pm

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Also you just aren't going to answer questions about your history with mafia?
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Post Post #467 (isolation #49) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:34 pm

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In post 463, Suka wrote:
In post 460, Vorkuta wrote:His ISO only gives me:
Yyota RVS and bit of pressure
sorry afk
sorry what'd I miss
wow guys, hating on me for asking for help
varsoon stop bully
DDL AtE = don't get the scum hread
Suka wagon
These behaviors are more likely to come from scum than town, especially when comparing Bright's play as town/scum. He's quite active & independent thinking as town, none of which seems to be the case here.
From my one game with him where he was town, he was not active and independent thinking.
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Post Post #470 (isolation #50) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:38 pm

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@vorkuta, I think that's reaching a bit.
@suka I'm scumreading you because you aren't being transparent and you are too conf-bias-y to the point where I don't think it comes from town.

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Post Post #475 (isolation #51) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:46 pm

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You not answering some of my questions and not providing more justification is non transparency.

Your reads and calling of scumteams/pairs that early and then following up on it is too confbiasy to come from town.

Sure playstyle turns it into a YMMV kinda thing, but I don't think it applies here.
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Post Post #477 (isolation #52) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:50 pm

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I have done the overestimation kinda stuff before, it hurt more than it helped. I have done underestimation too which has hurt more than it helped. It's about finding a balance which I'm trying to do.

Kinda why I want suka to tell us about her exp and reveal meta stuff, but w/o that I'm going to make a judgment call.
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Post Post #481 (isolation #53) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:00 pm

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this is d1 so cases aren't going to be exactly spectacular.

ill concede that maybe suka is town here, but i still think it's where my vote should be. it's better than any other wagon at least.
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Post Post #483 (isolation #54) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:03 pm

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Who are your top three scumreads right now?
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Post Post #486 (isolation #55) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:06 pm

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The only person I'm okay with lynching right now with no more information is you.

So what you are saying is that you went from having the entire scumteam called out to ???
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Post Post #488 (isolation #56) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:08 pm

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In post 487, Suka wrote:
In post 486, OkaPoka wrote:The only person I'm okay with lynching right now with no more information is you.
You still think I'm scum despite this conversation?
yep

Anyways are your top three scumreads BEF/Nero/DDL by any chance?
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Post Post #490 (isolation #57) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:12 pm

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Because you saying it's a town tell does not make it a town tell.

Anyways I'd like an answer on the top three scumreads thing because I think it's relevant.
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Post Post #497 (isolation #58) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:26 pm

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Transparency is a playstyle thing, agreed.

But town lack of transparency usually comes with a reason. I don't see a reason for you to not be transparent, esp after you've been called out on it. Scum lack of transparency allows them to get away with future ??? plays, it's easier.

confbiasing - I'll explain this more once you give me your top 3.
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Post Post #502 (isolation #59) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:27 pm

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having top 3 is very important for my read on you so

gimme gimme
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Post Post #505 (isolation #60) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:30 pm

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And maybe me voting you is bordering on policy territory

But I think it's better if we can hold everyone accountable. You seem experienced enough, so you should understand this. Do you disagree? @suka
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Post Post #507 (isolation #61) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:33 pm

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...

top 3
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Post Post #516 (isolation #62) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:50 pm

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my point refutes your claim tho

also why cant you give like an in the moment who are my top 3 scumreads.
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Post Post #519 (isolation #63) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:00 pm

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ok ill drop it
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Post Post #531 (isolation #64) » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:11 pm

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VOTE: Yyotta
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Post Post #560 (isolation #65) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:07 am

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creature whats the point of spewing reads w/o reasoning
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Post Post #566 (isolation #66) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:25 pm

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How would you suggest we resolve Yyotta, Nero?
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Post Post #571 (isolation #67) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:13 pm

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In post 537, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 536, mbaki wrote: That said, I believe she is just a troll alt account of somebody.

As are you.
Where did this come from?
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Post Post #601 (isolation #68) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:04 am

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i guess investigative roles can resolve yyotta, but it's still kind of a waste

also im fielding interest for a creature lynch rn

anyone down?
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Post Post #603 (isolation #69) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:16 am

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Why is creature town?
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Post Post #605 (isolation #70) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:30 am

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because he is just finding townreads and spewing them w/o much reasoning which is kinda just useless info, kinda like "look im helping guys!" <--

and lack of scumhunting makes him more spectator-y than player

i dont see why scum creature cant make those posts

as for bright, meh, i dont see any really good reasons to scumread him or policy him
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Post Post #607 (isolation #71) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:33 am

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well i guess there are reasons to scumread BEF, but there exist better choices for today
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Post Post #609 (isolation #72) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:48 am

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[citation needed]
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Post Post #611 (isolation #73) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:59 am

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i think meta only works if you've played in the game real time with the person so you get the full context and emotions and whatnot

then you can do analysis and stuff

so did you play with him?
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Post Post #614 (isolation #74) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:08 am

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creature why hasnt ur vote changed
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Post Post #615 (isolation #75) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:11 am

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also creature u havent answered my question about whats the point of spewing reads without reasoning
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Post Post #627 (isolation #76) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:35 pm

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thanks but is there anyone that you don't townread, creature?
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Post Post #633 (isolation #77) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:49 pm

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In post 629, Creature wrote:
In post 627, OkaPoka wrote:thanks but is there anyone that you don't townread, creature?
Varsoon
DrDolittle

for starters
if im right about how you got here then why not throw yyotta in there too
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Post Post #635 (isolation #78) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:55 pm

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what makes u more comfortable with a yyotta lynch than varsoon/ddl?
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Post Post #636 (isolation #79) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:55 pm

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less*

oops
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Post Post #638 (isolation #80) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:01 pm

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In post 637, Creature wrote:
In post 635, OkaPoka wrote:what makes u less comfortable with a yyotta lynch than varsoon/ddl?
She being just a troll
shouldn't that make u more comfortable

at best we lynch scum
at worst we lose lylo liability

that's how im personally thinking about this unless you have a way to read trolls
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Post Post #640 (isolation #81) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:03 pm

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vs suka which is my next choice for lynch

she at best is scum (may be higher chance than yyotta)
but at worst we lose a person who is potentially a contributive/active town player

@kmd people who are lurking
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Post Post #651 (isolation #82) » Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:57 pm

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In post 648, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 598, Kmd4390 wrote:Are you confident in a town win? Do you trust yyotta?
no. yes.
In post 601, OkaPoka wrote:i guess investigative roles can resolve yyotta, but it's still kind of a waste
more so than a lynch?
In post 606, Leodanny wrote:Hey I’m caught up now.
go on.
i see what you mean

but its not like yyotta is super town, im still leaning scum on her. maybe lean scum harder on suka but

like if i had a vig shot and and a cop check, shoot yyotta and cop suka, no?
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Post Post #690 (isolation #83) » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:00 pm

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checking in.

top three wagons are Yyotta, DDL, and Vorkuta?
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Post Post #691 (isolation #84) » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:07 pm

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yeah ok.

reasons for the wagons if im not mistaken.

yyotta- useless troll who is either scum troll or town liability.
ddl - lurking?
vorkuta - lazy?

that's what i've gathered. free to supplement.
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Post Post #694 (isolation #85) » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:28 pm

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I don't like how these three votes

Suka, DDL, Yyotta

are the "undecided" votes
none of these guys are that well townread/trusted. two of them are in the top two wagons. one of them was just a top wagon that got dissolved for others. more importantly i dont like their slots.
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Post Post #695 (isolation #86) » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:33 pm

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maybe that's too confusing

i just don't like that them three have the wagon deciding ability and not others
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Post Post #706 (isolation #87) » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:55 pm

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Why would you be a liability to town?
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Post Post #710 (isolation #88) » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:26 pm

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In post 708, rb wrote:
In post 706, OkaPoka wrote:Why would you be a liability to town?
stop shitposting
wow not a shitpost imo

:D

ddl answer my question pls
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Post Post #714 (isolation #89) » Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:47 pm

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suka and yyotta, what are your gameplans at this moment?
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Post Post #724 (isolation #90) » Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:31 pm

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doesn't that apply to drdo too then lol
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Post Post #771 (isolation #91) » Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:33 pm

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i dont really want to progress the game until ddl answers my question cuz its very relevant imo wow

anyways this bef vs mbaki thing is a distraction to the real lynch

yyottacat
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Post Post #777 (isolation #92) » Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:18 pm

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im getting worried that yyotta isnt being lynched today

remind me, why do you not want to lynch her?
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Post Post #806 (isolation #93) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:40 am

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The fact that Yyotta wagon dissolved and we are hanging around lynching other slots makes me pretty confident its Yyotta.

why are we not lynching her? she's trolling, she's stalling, she's scum. the only argument against her was she seems to be a super troll, but then good riddance no?

sure ddl looks scummy, but at least he'll cough up associatives as scum or interact with us as town. yyotta won't do anything, and the fact that this isn't more popular when scum can easy push this should add more scumpoints towards yyotta.
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Post Post #808 (isolation #94) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:46 am

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the issue of game stagnation day 1 isn't low activity

its the fact that we are all so split across wagons that no credible pressure can be placed
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Post Post #810 (isolation #95) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:46 am

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i feel like lynching vorkuta would be a pre flip on yyotta

i dont want to preflip
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Post Post #814 (isolation #96) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:51 am

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i thought that was rb's argument, it's too easy for vorkuta to sit on yyotta?
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Post Post #815 (isolation #97) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:52 am

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i was thinking that would imply yyotta town.

i guess that could be bussing?

idk maybe im misunderstanding vorkuta wagon
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Post Post #818 (isolation #98) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:53 am

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ill be back later but ill think about this
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Post Post #832 (isolation #99) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:32 pm

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Though yyotta is policy based, we have enough wagon dynamics to work off of.

I don't know if scum ddl shuts out an alternative to his self though.
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Post Post #833 (isolation #100) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:35 pm

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My issue with vorkuta lynch is that he promises to do some heavy analysis TMR when we have info and anyone who is going to bring perspective off content is an asset
I don't know if flipping him before he reaches potential is a good thing vs someone who is probs scum and useless (yyotta).
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Post Post #835 (isolation #101) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:40 pm

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I thought earlier he explained that he works best off info.

Anyways why are we lynching assets over drains?
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Post Post #836 (isolation #102) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:41 pm

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D1 is a low info day. We should use it to create info and remove those that won't. I find it unlikely that hitting scum will be >.5 today
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Post Post #838 (isolation #103) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:45 pm

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because we can apply vork's case to ddl and bef. I was just focused on vork because i sense a swing in that direction.
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Post Post #839 (isolation #104) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:52 pm

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this is the part where you are amazed by my convincing speech and the tide is turned and we all vote yyotta btw
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Post Post #842 (isolation #105) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:30 pm

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if yyotta lynch is really that impossible ill just hammer
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Post Post #844 (isolation #106) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:32 pm

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whoever reaches l1
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Post Post #847 (isolation #107) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:34 pm

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I do have scumreads but I want to get VCA before I start fleshing them out.

At this point my scumreads are all tonal/gut really. I need VCA.

gimme some vca to work with
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Post Post #851 (isolation #108) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:38 pm

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i need flips is what i mean

i could hypothetically do it now, but it would be crap
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Post Post #853 (isolation #109) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:41 pm

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yeah but

if i dont have some flips/guarantees to work off of then i won't get the picture
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Post Post #856 (isolation #110) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:46 pm

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...

i dont think u are getting it

i can do all of that

but i think it would be better if i had flips to work off of
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Post Post #859 (isolation #111) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:47 pm

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...
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Post Post #862 (isolation #112) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:50 pm

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i know we have no flips. that's why im ambivalent between the choices of BEF and DDL.

I would prefer a flip on Yyotta, but a flip is better than no flip.

I'm not going to case someone d1 because I'm not confident in any of my scumreads. The best I can offer is a strong policy choice.
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Post Post #865 (isolation #113) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:51 pm

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Let's fucking go.

patience is a virtue
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Post Post #868 (isolation #114) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:54 pm

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autobots assemble
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Post Post #878 (isolation #115) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:16 pm

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would i know this person
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Post Post #881 (isolation #116) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:22 pm

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no way
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Post Post #886 (isolation #117) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:32 pm

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I don't think this is Ausuka.
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Post Post #893 (isolation #118) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:24 pm

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@suka how close are you to saying bef is scum, doubt = zero?
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Post Post #895 (isolation #119) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:26 pm

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fk

i guess i guessed wrong
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Post Post #897 (isolation #120) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:51 pm

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VOTE: ddl

ddl u should claim
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Post Post #898 (isolation #121) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:52 pm

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l1 btw


anyways im heading off
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Post Post #920 (isolation #122) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:10 pm

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i am very busy today but ill try to check in

if yyotta becomes l1 striking range

im striking yyotta

fwiw
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Post Post #936 (isolation #123) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:36 pm

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is that l1?
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Post Post #938 (isolation #124) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:37 pm

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cool

VOTE: yyotta
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Post Post #939 (isolation #125) » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:38 pm

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i have a few minutes for any twilight discussion but otherwise ill probs be gone until next day
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Post Post #982 (isolation #126) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:08 am

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ok normally id do a vca but instead im going to look for crumbs in rb iso
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Post Post #984 (isolation #127) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:10 am

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i think this means anyone rb suspected = town?

i think then this game can be on lock
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Post Post #985 (isolation #128) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:11 am

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i did a ctrl+f town

nero cain, bef
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Post Post #986 (isolation #129) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:13 am

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VOTE: nero cain
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Post Post #988 (isolation #130) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:14 am

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+creature
+varsoon
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Post Post #990 (isolation #131) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:16 am

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maybe
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Post Post #991 (isolation #132) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:17 am

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i also suppose its worth considering if bef decided to switcheroo shoot rb
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Post Post #993 (isolation #133) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:22 am

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Spoiler:
VOTES
[13] Not Voting : Nero Cain,
rb
, Varsoon, Creature, mbaki, Vorkuta, Leodanny, BrightEyedFish, OkaPoka, Suka, DrDolittle,
YyottaCat
, Kmd4390
VOTES
[4]
YyottaCat
: mbaki 3, BrightEyedFish 8, Suka 10, Kmd4390 23
[2] mbaki :
rb
5,
YyottaCat
7
[2]
rb
: Creature 18, Vorkuta 20
[1] Creature : DrDolittle 14

[4] Not Voting : Nero Cain, Varsoon, Leodanny, OkaPoka

VOTES
[4]
YyottaCat
: mbaki 3, BrightEyedFish 8, Kmd4390 23, Varsoon 41
[2] mbaki :
rb
5,
YyottaCat
7
[2]
rb
: Creature 18, Vorkuta 20
[1] Creature : DrDolittle 14
[1] OkaPoka : Suka 43
[1] Suka : Nero Cain 47

[2] Not Voting : Leodanny, OkaPoka

VOTES
[3]
YyottaCat
: mbaki 3, BrightEyedFish 8, Kmd4390 23
[2] mbaki :
rb
5,
YyottaCat
7
[2] OkaPoka : Suka 43, Varsoon 53
[2] Suka : Nero Cain 47, OkaPoka 71
[1]
rb
: Creature 18
[1] Leodanny : Vorkuta 54
[1] Nero Cain : DrDolittle 55

[1] Not Voting : Leodanny

VOTES
[4] Suka : Nero Cain 47, OkaPoka 71,
rb
90, Vorkuta 91
[3]
YyottaCat
: mbaki 3, BrightEyedFish 8, Kmd4390 23
[2] OkaPoka : Suka 43, Varsoon 53
[1] mbaki :
YyottaCat
7
[1]
rb
: Creature 18
[1] Nero Cain : DrDolittle 55

[1] Not Voting : Leodanny

VOTES
[3] Suka : Nero Cain 47, OkaPoka 71, Vorkuta 91
[3]
YyottaCat
: mbaki 3, BrightEyedFish 8, Kmd4390 23
[3] DrDolittle : Leodanny 107, Varsoon 118,
rb
163
[2] Nero Cain : DrDolittle 55, Suka 114
[1] mbaki :
YyottaCat
7
[1]
rb
: Creature 18

[0] Not Voting :

VOTES
[3] Suka : Nero Cain 47, OkaPoka 71, Vorkuta 91
[3]
YyottaCat
: mbaki 3, BrightEyedFish 8, Kmd4390 23
[3] DrDolittle : Leodanny 107, Varsoon 118,
rb
163
[2] Nero Cain : DrDolittle 55, Suka 114
[1] mbaki :
YyottaCat
7
[1]
rb
: Creature 18

[0] Not Voting :

VOTES
[4] Suka : Nero Cain 47, OkaPoka 71,
YyottaCat
337, BrightEyedFish 349
[3] DrDolittle : Leodanny 107,
rb
163, Varsoon 370
[1] BrightEyedFish : Suka 343
[1]
YyottaCat
: Kmd4390 23
[1] Nero Cain : DrDolittle 55
[1]
rb
: Creature 18
[1] Nero Cain : mbaki 357

[1] Not Voting : Vorkuta 386

VOTES
[4] Suka : Nero Cain 47, OkaPoka 71,
YyottaCat
337, BrightEyedFish 349
[3] DrDolittle : Leodanny 107,
rb
163, Varsoon 370
[2] Nero Cain : DrDolittle 55, mbaki 357
[1] BrightEyedFish : Suka 343
[1]
YyottaCat
: Kmd4390 23
[1]
rb
: Creature 18

[1] Not Voting : Vorkuta 386

VOTES
[4] Suka : Nero Cain 47, OkaPoka 71,
YyottaCat
337, BrightEyedFish 349
[3] DrDolittle : Leodanny 107,
rb
163, Varsoon 370
[2]
YyottaCat
: Kmd4390 23, Vorkuta 442
[1] Nero Cain : DrDolittle 55
[1] BrightEyedFish : Suka 343
[1]
rb
: Creature 18
[1] Vorkuta : mbaki 493

[0] Not Voting :

VOTES
[4]
YyottaCat
: Kmd4390 23, Vorkuta 442, mbaki 527, OkaPoka 531
[2] Suka : Nero Cain 47, BrightEyedFish 349
[2] DrDolittle : Leodanny 107, Varsoon 370
[1] BrightEyedFish : Suka 343
[1]
rb
: Creature 18
[1] mbaki :
YyottaCat
530
[1] Kmd4390 : DrDolittle 559
[1] Vorkuta :
rb
583

[0] Not Voting :

VOTES
[4]
YyottaCat
: Kmd4390 23, Vorkuta 442, OkaPoka 531, BrightEyedFish 659
[3] DrDolittle : Leodanny 107, Varsoon 370, Creature 656
[3] Vorkuta :
rb
583, mbaki 662, Nero Cain 677
[1] BrightEyedFish : Suka 343
[1] mbaki :
YyottaCat
530
[1] Kmd4390 : DrDolittle 559

[0] Not Voting :

VOTES
[3]
YyottaCat
: Kmd4390 23, Vorkuta 442, OkaPoka 531
[3] DrDolittle : Leodanny 107, Varsoon 370, Creature 656
[3] Vorkuta :
rb
583, mbaki 662, Nero Cain 677
[2] mbaki :
YyottaCat
530, BrightEyedFish 728
[1] BrightEyedFish : Suka 343
[1] Kmd4390 : DrDolittle 559

[0] Not Voting :

VOTES
[3] DrDolittle : Leodanny 107, Varsoon 370, Creature 656
[3] mbaki :
YyottaCat
530, BrightEyedFish 728, Vorkuta 442
[2]
YyottaCat
: Kmd4390 23, OkaPoka 531
[2] Vorkuta :
rb
583, Nero Cain 677
[2] BrightEyedFish : Suka 343, mbaki 662
[1] Kmd4390 : DrDolittle 559

[0] Not Voting :

VOTES
[4] DrDolittle : Leodanny 107, Varsoon 370, Creature 656, BrightEyedFish 782
[3] BrightEyedFish : Suka 343, mbaki 662, DrDolittle 798
[2] mbaki :
YyottaCat
530, Vorkuta 442
[2]
YyottaCat
: Kmd4390 23, OkaPoka 531
[2] Vorkuta :
rb
583, Nero Cain 677

[0] Not Voting :

VOTES
[4] BrightEyedFish : Suka 343, mbaki 662, DrDolittle 798, Creature 841
[3] DrDolittle : Leodanny 107, Varsoon 370, BrightEyedFish 782
[2] mbaki :
YyottaCat
530, Vorkuta 442
[2]
YyottaCat
: Kmd4390 23, OkaPoka 531
[2] Vorkuta :
rb
583, Nero Cain 677

[0] Not Voting :

VOTES
[4]
YyottaCat
: Kmd4390 23, OkaPoka 531, mbaki 863, Creature 866
[3] DrDolittle : Leodanny 107, Varsoon 370, BrightEyedFish 782
[2] BrightEyedFish : Suka 343, DrDolittle 798
[2] mbaki :
YyottaCat
530, Vorkuta 442
[2] Vorkuta :
rb
583, Nero Cain 677

[0] Not Voting :

VOTES
[7]
YyottaCat
: Kmd4390 23, mbaki 863, Nero Cain 919, Vorkuta 923, Creature 924, Suka 935, OkaPoka 938
[4] DrDolittle : Leodanny 107, Varsoon 370, BrightEyedFish 782,
YyottaCat
884
[1] BrightEyedFish : DrDolittle 798
[1] Vorkuta :
rb
583

[0] Not Voting :
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Post Post #994 (isolation #134) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:23 am

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did a quick vca thing

if somebody wants to clean it up or something that would be nice
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Post Post #995 (isolation #135) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:23 am

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or not vca

just coloring
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Post Post #997 (isolation #136) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:25 am

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I've done SvS before and it works

the point is to basically drain town from wanting to play because the game devolves and its all chaos
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Post Post #998 (isolation #137) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:27 am

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i guess the question is why would nero make that kill if he was scum
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Post Post #1000 (isolation #138) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:30 am

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i think crumbs have to be the key here still then

they are probably more well hidden, but traitors have to crumb right? (if they are playing optimally of course and i dont think rb is actually a troll player)
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Post Post #1002 (isolation #139) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:31 am

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i guess we could live in a scenario where its like vorkuta + someone and that's how rb was crumbing it? idk ill re iso
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Post Post #1004 (isolation #140) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:32 am

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above scenario would explain nk
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Post Post #1007 (isolation #141) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:33 am

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VOTE: vorkuta

unless we can get a vig confirmation
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Post Post #1009 (isolation #142) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:36 am

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actually that would make no sense

traitor needs to confirm himself to the mafia and pushing vorkuta would not do that

VOTE: nero cain

im guessing then the nk was on the townread-y parts. Would mafia know there is a traitor? I haven't played many normals so I'll see if i can find some example games.
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Post Post #1012 (isolation #143) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:39 am

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what does "should" mean here?

is that a guarantee?
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Post Post #1013 (isolation #144) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:40 am

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A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:

is Mafia-aligned
knows the identities of all of the Mafia team
identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they
should
know a Traitor exists
cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot
is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead
gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an "innocent" result to Gunsmiths, and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops
If you want a Traitor that cannot be killed by its team, make it a Bulletproof Traitor. (A Traitor that investigates as though they were town is not Normal, because the Godfather role is not Normal.) Roles like this should return full names (e.g. Bulletproof Traitor) to a Role Cop investigating them.

As a Traitor is Mafia-aligned, it counts towards the Mafia's win condition. For example, in the situation of 1 Goon, 1 Traitor and 2 Townies, the game ends in a Mafia win.
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Post Post #1014 (isolation #145) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:42 am

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In post 1011, mbaki wrote:Yes, mafia would know there was a traitor if only by the fact they would have two members and multiball is disallowed in mini normals.

Why would they kill RB for townreading a scum Nero Cain? That doesn't make sense.
i dont think he would be killed for townreading nero cain

i simply think that him tr'ing Nero wouldn't have been considered.

maybe im wrong but rn its the most reasonable explanation

i think he crumbed to nero the most so
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Post Post #1016 (isolation #146) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:43 am

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ill just assume that should is a must for now
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Post Post #1017 (isolation #147) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:44 am

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In post 1015, BrightEyedFish wrote:VOTE: Mbaki
Guilty.
cop claim?
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Post Post #1019 (isolation #148) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:45 am

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In post 17, rb wrote:wow im always serious imo

mbaki confirmed scum
or is it this post
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Post Post #1021 (isolation #149) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:47 am

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nero + mbaki?

hmm
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Post Post #1022 (isolation #150) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:48 am

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@bef how sure are u its mbaki
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Post Post #1026 (isolation #151) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:50 am

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In post 1023, Suka wrote:Nero's town.
give me a %
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Post Post #1040 (isolation #152) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:04 am

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lets just finish this game off because half the playerlist is inactive but mechanically this game is basically won
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Post Post #1041 (isolation #153) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:05 am

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VOTE: mbaki

i actualyl think mbaki might've been the most crumbed too + it was done in an ambiguous way where it didn't seem like a crumb until hindsight
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Post Post #1042 (isolation #154) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:06 am

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+the crumbs managed to dodge my ctrl+f "town" way of finding crumbs
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Post Post #1044 (isolation #155) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:06 am

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still think nero is the second partner based off of crumbs

and this would line up with mbaki scum a lot actually
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Post Post #1050 (isolation #156) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:11 am

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he's trying to say i know you are scum but he covers it with the fact its rvs and he is using the "wow" and "imo"
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Post Post #1052 (isolation #157) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:11 am

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that way it doesn't look weird when he doesnt push u ever again
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Post Post #1055 (isolation #158) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:14 am

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exactly my point?

its rvs so thats where he can crumb without it looking strange
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Post Post #1056 (isolation #159) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:16 am

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i cant find this bet
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Post Post #1057 (isolation #160) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:17 am

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but let's assume you are right

it doesn't make my scenario untrue
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Post Post #1058 (isolation #161) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:20 am

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@mbaki if ur town who is scum
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Post Post #1059 (isolation #162) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:30 am

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game is free win if we all are active btw
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Post Post #1072 (isolation #163) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:43 pm

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okay maybe, just maybe he didn't crumb anything at all

but i doubt that

he's traitor. he has to crumb himself otherwise he isn't playing fully to his wincon. setups are designed with this idea/mechanic in mind, and are balanced around it.

rb isn't a newb. its impossible he doesn't know this.

like sure it's possible that he didn't crumb, but that is almost 0% chance. if he didn't crumb to you, he had to had crumb to someone else, it just wasn't picked up on. it's the most reasonable explanation and we should be playing reasonably.

I really don't see how I'm conf biasing scumreading you. I looked at his iso, and the most evident crumb is directed towards you. conf-biasing is when im scumreading you and then i twist stuff to match that. but im not.
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Post Post #1074 (isolation #164) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:58 pm

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What?
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Post Post #1076 (isolation #165) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:01 pm

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You said I did nothing yesterday.

Where tf did that come from?
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Post Post #1079 (isolation #166) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:10 pm

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Other scumreads I have are:

Nero Cain (crumbs)
Vorkuta (would be the threatened partner, though going overboard with the push makes me skeptical)
Suka(still holding that scumread over from day1 but im not lynching here because i dont see any rb associations really)

leodanny needs to make more posts and reads before i can judge him.

I think that its pretty likely that its actually mbaki + deepwolf because somethings aren't lining up perfectly, but for now this is what im seeing
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Post Post #1080 (isolation #167) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:10 pm

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In post 1077, mbaki wrote:You didn't do shit, and I dont know why getting reads out of you is like pulling hairs.
hahaha

lynch this now
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Post Post #1084 (isolation #168) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:13 pm

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Rb push on you was overboard to come from traitor and maf in my taste.
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Post Post #1091 (isolation #169) » Mon Dec 24, 2018 7:57 am

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In post 1089, Creature wrote:
In post 1086, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 1081, mbaki wrote:VOTE: mbaki

Done posting here. Good luck town.
If you are town you wouldn't be voting yourself. And if you don't wish to play you can replace out.
Okay, I'm taking this post as a guilty retract.
Really don't need a guilty to lynch mbaki slot now.
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Post Post #1093 (isolation #170) » Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:02 am

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he's scum
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Post Post #1095 (isolation #171) » Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:08 am

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At first the rb crumb is what we had to work off of.

But his response only solidifies his scumminess.

Town doesn't lash out like he did. It's a blatant overreaction that doesn't come from genuine emotions. Especially from someone who calls for WoTc'ing Yyotta.
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Post Post #1100 (isolation #172) » Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:28 am

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In post 1098, Nero Cain wrote:I mean, I haven't been here since day start and I kinda gotta be here to post huh?

My initial thoughts are "does town Oka really believe that I'd shoot a guy that's town reading me?" His "case" that RB was crumbing (What crumbs) seems dumb and this whole thing seems more like an agenda than town that's actually hunting for buddies.

I'll have to look it up to see who it was but someone asked RB point blank if his "wow" was crumbing. I wonder if that was mafia looking for thier traitor.


I'm also just kinda ok with a mbaki lynch. I don't feel like their play has been great and he's just running back to MU and leaving an empty slot wich is just kinda immature.
if you can find this then this person is probs the other maf
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Post Post #1115 (isolation #173) » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:04 pm

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Still prefer mbaki lynch to vorkuta, though revelations are interesting. We can lynch vorkuta tomorrow.

As to why because you guys are going to ask.

mbaki's self vote pushes it over the edge for me. The difference between mbaki selfvoting and your typical rage!town self-voter is that mbaki isn't the type of player who self-votes, based on what he said about yyotta. Either he was lying about his opinion on yyotta or he was manufacturing rage. pick whatever reason you want, mbaki is the scummier player.
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Post Post #1118 (isolation #174) » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:17 pm

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vorkuta just vote mbaki already
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Post Post #1130 (isolation #175) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:10 pm

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my case on mbaki is the best case that exists in the game and the fact that we are moving towards vorkuta is bad
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Post Post #1131 (isolation #176) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:11 pm

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kmd vote mbaki please
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Post Post #1133 (isolation #177) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:14 pm

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nice use of adverbs
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Post Post #1135 (isolation #178) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:15 pm

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because mbaki is a lot scummier?
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Post Post #1137 (isolation #179) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:17 pm

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self-voting
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Post Post #1140 (isolation #180) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:20 pm

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why compromise when the answer is so obvious?
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Post Post #1142 (isolation #181) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:21 pm

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im anti vork because im so pro mbaki lynch. i won't accept anything except mbaki today. that self vote is unacceptable "psychologically" from him.

people who self vote include a wide range of players, mbaki isn't in that pool.
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Post Post #1144 (isolation #182) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:22 pm

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idk
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Post Post #1145 (isolation #183) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:23 pm

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ill read it but i doubt ill be convinced
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Post Post #1146 (isolation #184) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:25 pm

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ddl

u should vote mbaki

he's replicating how you defended my push on you last game
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Post Post #1154 (isolation #185) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:01 pm

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Okay. I'm going to ask some follow ups.
In post 1073, mbaki wrote:Doing nothing like you did yesterday is not acceptable.
Clarify this?
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Post Post #1156 (isolation #186) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:15 pm

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Yeah so my question is how do you quantify/check how much someone has done? Personally I felt like I did more than enough yesterday, so you calling me out feels kinda weird, you know what I mean?
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Post Post #1158 (isolation #187) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:18 pm

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In fact I'm requesting a list of people you thought played up to your standards of "constructive-ness" and "doing" yesterday.
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Post Post #1160 (isolation #188) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:32 pm

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suka?

S-U-K-A

SUKA?

what has she done that is constructive?
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Post Post #1161 (isolation #189) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:32 pm

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and since you felt that so little people people were doing stuff yesterday

why call me out specifically?
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Post Post #1164 (isolation #190) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:51 pm

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Explain to me how not reasoning out anything can be constructive.

Suka's the person who claims cases are scummy.
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Post Post #1170 (isolation #191) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:18 pm

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In post 1165, mbaki wrote: And so on. I am not arguing Suka's content is necessarily good and I've made the fact I think they are possible scum clear, but they pushed things and took stances, the basics of mafia.
Wait so suka isn't playing up to your standards of doing stuff or is? Because almost everyone has taken stances and pushed things. I don't think I'm understanding what you mean.
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In post 1166, Kmd4390 wrote:
No. I'm still deciding. Why the hurry?
idk. id feel more comfortable if mbaki had more votes. Is everyone else blind or am I?
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I guess this means I stand alone on mbaki.
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Post Post #1172 (isolation #192) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:20 pm

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I still think vorkuta is more likely to flip scum than not fwiw but mbaki should be first (he's more likely to do so)

We should also not do the "it's one or the other." This could be a double bus gambit. They both can be scum.

If we really walk down the vorkuta path, mbaki should not be off the table for tomorrow.
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Post Post #1176 (isolation #193) » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:31 pm

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its important for me <--
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Post Post #1227 (isolation #194) » Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:50 pm

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i have been summoned

lets lynch mbaki
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Post Post #1231 (isolation #195) » Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:54 pm

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lets be honest

vorkuta is probs scum here, he asked if its a scumtell so I don't think he's looking for town pr crumbing and looking for town pr crumbs is kinda scummy on day 1?

but then again

mbaki is like super scum
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Post Post #1233 (isolation #196) » Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:58 pm

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+ the self vote

+ i really don't like his "elitist" (i dunno if there is a better word) attitude towards everyone when he doesn't deserve it. also im still confused over what he thinks about suka vs rest of playerlist.
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Post Post #1235 (isolation #197) » Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:59 pm

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i dont think his play matches his words/tone/attitude
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Post Post #1238 (isolation #198) » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:03 pm

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i dont think self voting comes from a mbaki type of player

he explained his reason for doing so

but i dont think it should ever happen from a mbaki type of player
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Post Post #1239 (isolation #199) » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:04 pm

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at least a town mbaki
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