A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

[jjh927]

You could really do with understanding what's going on tbh

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Flavour is still an important part of parsing claims so yes I'm going to ask for it

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Nico's claim had so many issues with it that you never cared about so sit down

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VOTE: NSG

There is no role that could be that harmful to claim here

you're being stupid and uncreative

consider a role that becomes effectively useless if actually claimed. it's not hard to think of.

Godfather!

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VOTE: Aristophanes

This makes life easier tbh

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Actually why did RC reply only to you and not to the thread if we asked in thread

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Randomidget plays league of legends right

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I think the flavourclaim is real which means the roleblocker isn't Ari

I also think that regardless of how it happened, the roleblocker came from LA's dream

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However it's still a guilty regardless so get im

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Oh btw I think it's now extremely weird that porkens refused to be rolecopped in day 2 considering the claim, rather than just being kinda weird from the interaction

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I'd say that aspect of Sheep's claim is a given

Lynching LA is the best shot at hitting the roleblocker but I am concerned it is in fact a factional ability that got unlocked by her dreaming god in night 1, regardless of her alignment

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So yeah, my theory right now is that Ari is indeed a hider but he actually carried out a factional nihilistic roleblock on meme men

Is this a coherent perspective as far as you are concerned, Jingle?

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UNVOTE:

I'm coming back to this tomorrow

[jjh927]

Vecna, we have 2 instances- 1 relying on Jingle and 1 on yourself, of you failing to jailkeep

[jjh927]

It did show me that you're Beavis. Doesn't say too much on top of that, though.

If it helps

[jjh927]

Yeah so I don't see why scum!Vecna doesn't fall back on "Well I was actually 3-shot all along, but thought it would be good for the wifom if I then pretended not to be for another night"

[jjh927]

I'm getting pretty tired of Nero tbh

VOTE: Aristophanes

Also of the day and this is the correct decision mechanically when there's functionally a guilty on the guy

[jjh927]

All the scum are capable of killing and there is no meaningful distinction.

Technically I'd class Wheme as the killing scum I guess

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14) Players not use factional and individual actions simultaneously unless their role PM explicitly says otherwise.

Oh wait nvm

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Yeah now I understand why Ari would have not used the hider I believe him to have

It's all come together

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Also if we lynch scum then we probably stop the roleblocks regardless, because we either A. Win, B. Leave only 1 scum alive who will do the kill, or C. Leave 2 scum alive but if they kill and RB it confscums Shoshin

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Normal hiders are only protected against kills

It's a bad point

[jjh927]

Just because you're old doesn't mean you shouldn't keep up with new developments

[jjh927]

You know how Vecna's perspective literally includes him failing to jailkeep porkens by his own admission

[jjh927]

Arguing that it's a mechanical 1V1 between him and Jingle is senseless from his perspective

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Hell

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Whoops I'm bad at ctrl f and quoting

The thing confirmed 100% he visited me last night, as my song is different each night.

Last night, anyone visiting me wouldve heard the song Grim Reaper - See you in Hell (I imagined scum would kill me next).

I need Porkens to actually explain how his role works.

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If it's not clear

Can you ask RC whether or not you visit people who visit you

i do

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THEREFORE-

Porkens visited Vecna while supposedly roleblocked by him.
If Sheep is trueclaiming then we also know that Vecna succeeded in visiting Porkens, but his action failed.
Therefore, Vecna's perspective should really account for that failure


The mechanical 1V1 is Jingle V Ari and I will see it resolved by lynching Ari.

[jjh927]

I mean it's also never just mechanics because detecting the lies is pretty crucial to this

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Hammer votes aren't magically info just because they're hammer votes

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Hey I think that's the fourth meme this game to feature a member of the scumteam

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I think it's maybe the 4th best meme in the thread, since I can only think of 5

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Firebringer just summed this up

This was by far the worst scum strategy I have seen

[jjh927]

Are you seriously telling me that this was the intended outcome of Mastina claiming? It's more forgivable as a mistake from not realising how that ability would be used

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Well that's never gonna work

The strongest points against her were that she was dragging her feet and creating apathy and that she was essentially refusing certain gladiate options

[jjh927]

Well yeah the right way to play that is to play that role like a goon unless you're ABSOLUTELY sure you can win a gladiate

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It's just too protown to claim that to expect to win after doing it as scum imo

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Did scum ever try to kill me

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If you're conftowning the players you intended to nightkill anyway...then you're depriving the town of lynches, WHILE killing the players you wanted dead anyway. It's literally the town doing your work for you.

This is just so unequivocally wrong

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I'm kinda disappointed I didn't see through the obvious mod provided fakeclaim at the end but oh well

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Did scum ever try to kill me

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But that's 48 hours

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YES

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I think rn in terms of games I've played with Yume I'm at

catching scum yume 3/3 times
not dying when yume tries to scumkill me 2/2 times
causing scum yume to target herself with a killing action 2 times

which is just funny

[jjh927]

So
Wanna /in to more Yume games?

Not particularly but she's super easy to read as far as I'm concerned

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its almost like he was just copying all his scum habits from the last game we were scum together just to troll me. And then he trolls me again with the poison shit. And then he trolls me again by just replacing out after I start pushing him on how tf he visited me while jailkept.

That interaction stalled the day start for several days

Yeah I'm not sure you resolved it as nar would dictate tbh but I haven't seen the role PMs

[jjh927]

Damn, that was a good fakeclaim then

[jjh927]

Simple, consistent, got the right number of As, made sense as something Random might have picked but you wouldn't

[jjh927]

I might get you if you do it again because I know more of your mannerisms now though

The dumbtell threw me off

[jjh927]

Why are you looking at me regarding insanity being posted? I was pretty goddamn sane, if a bit tinfoily when extrapolating from my assumptions

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Mastina was the only scum I didn't want lynched and I'd have come around on her eventually

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Dude I voted Varsoon, tunneled NicoRobin into the ground, and voted Ari while recognising Jingle V Vecna as a TVT

Also I think I was like the only guy to actually scumread wheme because I remember wanting to vote there a couple of times and nobody cared


Not lynching Mastina was still optimal play even though she was scum, though as evidenced from what just happened we were already set to win the pretty-much perfect game there

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I'd bet my magical powers that protect me from NicoRobin in uPicks that Wheme strongmanned Fire last night

Also I still have my magical powers that protect me from NicoRobin in uPicks

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Not sure what Creat / Shos were doing at eod 6 not voting aris.

I was afraid Ari would flip town and we'd have to wait until after 25th for the next day to start.

I was more afraid there'd be a 6th scum

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I'd bet my magical powers that protect me from NicoRobin in uPicks that Wheme strongmanned Fire last night

Also I still have my magical powers that protect me from NicoRobin in uPicks

What if our alignments were reversed?
What if we roll scum together?
What if we're both town?

I dunno but history shows that you are incapable of nightkilling me

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If you want me to be serious for a second-

I know I can place you with extremely high accuracy because of some tells that have to do with your personality and how you tend to carry yourself. Your motivations can be made very obvious.


You being unable to nightkill me, however, is something of a statistical artefact that can only be explained through magical powers

[jjh927]

Also note that my other picks were Katakuri from One Piece and Todd from Bojack Horseman

I generally just pick shit I feel like picking in uPicks. I'm not fishing for any particular roles

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If you want me to be serious for a second-

I know I can place you with extremely high accuracy because of some tells that have to do with your personality and how you tend to carry yourself. Your motivations can be made very obvious.


You being unable to nightkill me, however, is something of a statistical artefact that can only be explained through magical powers

But you also misread mastina based on role, so who is to say you won't misread me as scum when I am town or vice versa?

Well yeah

Thing about me misreading Mastina on role is that it was a safe mistake.


It's like, I was so sure she was town because she did something that would inevitably lose her the game as scum
That I was wrong didn't matter because she did a thing as scum that would inevitably lose her the game

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If you want me to be serious for a second-

I know I can place you with extremely high accuracy because of some tells that have to do with your personality and how you tend to carry yourself. Your motivations can be made very obvious.


You being unable to nightkill me, however, is something of a statistical artefact that can only be explained through magical powers

But you also misread mastina based on role, so who is to say you won't misread me as scum when I am town or vice versa?

Well yeah

Thing about me misreading Mastina on role is that it was a safe mistake.


It's like, I was so sure she was town because she did something that would inevitably lose her the game as scum
That I was wrong didn't matter because she did a thing as scum that would inevitably lose her the game

That doesn't matter. You literally said you could ascertain if she were fakeclaiming or not.

You made a mistake, so own up to it, and don't pretend it never happened. Cos otherwise, you won't be able to say there was a magic that protected you from me ever again, because I'll never play with you again, so it won't work.

She wasn't fakeclaiming though?

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That's necessitated by her being scum

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It's like if someone claimed to be a vanilla townie and they're actually a goon

That's not a fakeclaim, that's just being scum

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Btw I didn't point this out in game for obvious reasons but this was pretty bad imo

I had a long flavour writeup for this but have chosen to replace it with the following disclaimer:
If you think I was incompetent enough to write a town role that would have ruined the game in the way that this one has I'm not sure why you would /in to one of my games.

Like this smells of modspew

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Btw I didn't point this out in game for obvious reasons but this was pretty bad imo

I had a long flavour writeup for this but have chosen to replace it with the following disclaimer:
If you think I was incompetent enough to write a town role that would have ruined the game in the way that this one has I'm not sure why you would /in to one of my games.

Like this smells of modspew

Yeah "I had flavor but I won't post it out of spite; you should have figured out this was a scum role because I'm good at design" isn't a fantastic position to hold.

It's also one to save until postgame at least because that shit only comes out when there were people who were town making the case that Mastina is town by role (read: me and Jingle)

[jjh927]

Wait so what happened with Jingle getting targeted by NicoRobin's ability at some point

[jjh927]

I never received any PM about it

[jjh927]

Wait so what happened with Jingle getting targeted by NicoRobin's ability at some point

I mean... We're pretty much the same person, right?

Close enough? But let's see-

I got targeted
You got the PM about giving your role and gave consent
Scum got told I targeted nobody

???