Open 744 - Lovers and Losers [endgame]

LolWagons · Post Post #500 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:55 pm

In post 497, yessiree wrote:By my mental count. Dongempire is lynched.

Dongempire - Lolwagons, 0verk1ll, Michael Scott, clemency, bambi jay

Dongempire was a VT

No shit

Okay, I’m sorry but you voted OK and pushed early, your reaction test (the “name your partner”) thing also made me think you’re town. You still abandoned the read and voted Dong and I assumed you’d be voting between OK and I now.

What am I supposed to think when you’re on about optimal play and then switch to fielding something suboptimal? Something that goes from me having a 100% chance of winning if I can prove myself Town to a 33% chance?

Michael Scott · Post Post #501 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:56 pm

In post 318, Michael Scott wrote:Bottomline being: Independent of which VT claim here is scum, my current solve being {Clem, 0verki11} and the scum!VT NOT hammering me is more indicative of Clem being scum; in any other case, scum would've taken the easier path and just lynched me after my "last thoughts", much less ask me to unvote.

{Clem, 0verki11, muh} is the solve. Dong is a less probable partner to Clem than 0verki11.

QFT.

Pedit: What you're saying is true from your perspective. It's sub-optimal for you. From my PoV optimal play, when you're not conftown, can be different, no?

Michael Scott · Post Post #502 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:57 pm

Eh, I'm fine voting OK. I just need to be conf'd on you being town.

Michael Scott · Post Post #503 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:59 pm

In post 498, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 495, LolWagons wrote:Fuck no, we are not lynching outside OK and I tomorrow. I’ll type out a damn Grapes of Wrath length post explaining why if I have to.
Can you make a case for why you can't be partners with Clem?

Also QFT -- I'm asking you to prove yourself town. I want to be certain, because I don't want to hand scum!Clem a win.

Hmm although you were the only reasonable person so I'd be fine losing to you, eh

Michael Scott · Post Post #504 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:01 pm

Also FYPOV whether I'm town or not is irrelevant, since the vote is *effectively* locked into you and 0verki11. I personally would like to lynch Clem, because the strength of my read FAR exceeds mechanical reasons, and FMPOV it's not sub-optimal because I have Red confirmed, especially after the Dong flip.

Let's talk about you and 0ver, then.

Michael Scott · Post Post #505 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:03 pm

Also, to Volxen and Mcqueeen: Don't vote till we also have 0verki11 talk. We have ALL the ruddy time to take, no quicklynches. One of them is scum for sure, and we should hunt.

Clemency · Post Post #506 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:03 pm

VOTE: michael scott
by attempting to vote me you have debased your entire defense
lynch this while i sleep so i can come back to a sweet red flip and everyone calling me a genius

Michael Scott · Post Post #507 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:08 pm

I didn't vote you. I expressed my desire to have you lynched inspite of it not being optimal for town, because I'm confirmed to myself and you have been extreme deepwolfing, and my scum radar is going crazy. I never said I'm against voting in the VTs -- I just need a lot more time to reaffirm my reads there, and want to hear my other head and McQueen/Red.

Clemency · Post Post #508 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:10 pm

nah, you dont get to make excuses

Clemency · Post Post #509 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:10 pm

by you, voting a lover is against theory, therefore scummy

Clemency · Post Post #510 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:10 pm

and yet you want me voted

Clemency · Post Post #511 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:11 pm

why is that?

Clemency · Post Post #512 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:11 pm

could it be the same reason i wanted you voted all of day 1 despite what theory says?

Clemency · Post Post #513 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:11 pm

you dont have an excuse

Clemency · Post Post #514 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:12 pm

lynch this
i'm out

Michael Scott · Post Post #515 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:13 pm

It's not an excuse. If I could have it my way, I'd still have you lynched.
FMPOV, it's a 50-50 between Lol and 0ver, and 50-50 between you and Bambi.

It's not in town's best interest mechanically though since my alignment isn't confirmed, so meh, I'll solve in the VTs.

Pedit: My knowledge of my alignment changes the optimal lynch to me. To town, on a whole who's not confirmed on my alignment, yes -- you're clearly a sub-optimal lynch, so I'm not pushing for you there.

Michael Scott · Post Post #516 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:14 pm

@LulzWagons, where are you? You still here?

Clemency · Post Post #517 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:16 pm

(man i could feel that backtracking all the way over here)

Michael Scott · Post Post #518 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:17 pm

I'm nowhere backtracking, man, I person do want you lynched.

Clemency · Post Post #519 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:18 pm

can i have that in english

Michael Scott · Post Post #520 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:19 pm

I personally* do want you lynched.

Bambi Jay · Post Post #521 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:24 pm

In post 520, Michael Scott wrote:I personally* do want you lynched.

We wanted you dead but look where were at.

Michael Scott · Post Post #522 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:25 pm

@Lol: Place your vote on 0ver immediately. In case of a split 4v4 plurality, earlier votes count I think? I'm keeping my vote as a placeholder there till you do.
VOTE: Overki11

Michael Scott · Post Post #523 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:27 pm

In post 521, Bambi Jay wrote:We wanted you dead but look where were at.

Sad for you, that Red's a good player?

Clemency · Post Post #524 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:27 pm

the moment lolwagons puts his vote on overkill we've confirmed the scumteam