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Post Post #18  (isolation #0)  » Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:18 pm

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Post Post #24  (isolation #1)  » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:31 pm

Why I get a reminder when I was in already =(
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Post Post #41  (isolation #2)  » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:24 pm

In post 39, pickemgenius wrote:lompoc


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Post Post #43  (isolation #3)  » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:17 am

Sounds good. Lompoc isn't near LA, for the record. Like, it's quite a drive if you're flying in to LAX.
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Post Post #54  (isolation #4)  » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:47 pm

In post 49, mith wrote:I would be very surprised if we don't get to 30, at least. We have had consistent membership for several years. (That said, don't know where all the stragglers are.)

(Also, we're at 22 now with Rhinox. So we'd be at 12/10 without doubling up.)



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Post Post #66  (isolation #5)  » Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:48 am

If my league is bigger than 12 i'm /out.
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Post Post #69  (isolation #6)  » Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:12 am

In post 68, D3f3nd3r wrote:Panzer is there any number of teams too low for you


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Post Post #76  (isolation #7)  » Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:37 pm

+12, not 12+
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Post Post #107  (isolation #8)  » Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:03 pm

i'll double duty in league 3, but yeah highly prefer 12/10/? to 12/12/?.
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Post Post #118  (isolation #9)  » Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:05 am

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Post Post #120  (isolation #10)  » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:12 pm

The funniest thing about it is I'm pretty sure he wouldn't even be in L1 if I wasn't wrongfully demoted for missing 3 weeks of a season, (2 of those weeks I won anyway, ftr).

But yeah, mostly just don't read Nero post. They are all nonsense.
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Post Post #122  (isolation #11)  » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:18 am

10 >>>>> 12 > 8

Better of doing daily with less 8 or more than 12(probably better off doing daily regardless of number). But I would play less than 8 but not for money. I'd never play more than 12.
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Post Post #124  (isolation #12)  » Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:00 am

4 years ago i was demoted from L1 for winning, you have 3 years in L1. Do you even read your own post? You did the time line for me an proved my point. Zzzzzzx
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Post Post #144  (isolation #13)  » Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:15 pm

In post 130, mith wrote:2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex puts too much emphasis on running backs IMO, at a time when the league is doing the opposite.


So uh...why isn't this a ppr league again? Pretty sure that'd solve the emphasis problem.
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Post Post #148  (isolation #14)  » Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:20 am

In post 147, PokerFace wrote:PPR would alleviate emphasis that points place on RB, but because the the current NFL does not have that many teams that live and breath on the strength of the RB, finding good rbs for the rb spot will be hard. PPR wouldn't alleviate the positional requirements.

We would have to have 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 W/R/T with PPR to alleviate it from both aspects.


PPR by itself both eliminates the emphasis AND the burden by A) giving more points to receivers and B) increasing the pool of viable running backs that can be played i.e Duke Johnson, Jerrick McKinnon, Christian Mccaffery, Chris Thompson are all basically unplayable in standard.
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Post Post #157  (isolation #15)  » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:30 pm

In post 149, mith wrote:My point about emphasis was that 2.5 RB, 2.5 WR (which is what the standard Flex roster basically turns into) is so far removed from actual football schemes. I don't have any problem with RBs scoring more points than WRs (and that's really only true at the very top) - without Flex, it doesn't matter at all (since points are relative to replacement only within that position).

PPR eliminates the emphasis in a Flex league by (in theory) making the Flex decision shift strongly toward WR3 over RB3... Which is what 2 RB, 3 WR does anyway. (In practice, I'm not sure even that is true - ESPN's current rankings would have you draft 24 RBs and 26 WRs as starters in a 10 man league - their standard for those rankings - for non-PPR... and 25 RBs and 25 WRs in PPR).

And yes, PPR does make certain RBs more playable... at the expensive of making other RBs less playable. PPR also leads to some bizarre scoring, IMO (a 0 yard catch should not be worth as much as a 10 yard run).

I would not be opposed to playing PPR sometime, but I don't think it objectively makes the fantasy football experience any more interesting. It's a matter of preference - and Scumleague has always been non-PPR.


If you want "actual football schemes" why don't we have IDPs then? And only 1 rb? Because fantasy football has nothing to do with real football strategy and IDPs are no fucking fun even though it's more like real football. PPR is both fun and solves your problem, also evens up the scoring (both at the top and the middle).

And yeah, some running backs become valuable, but only slightly and most of them were pretty undesirable to begin with. Marshawn Lynch was the 19th highest scoring RB in Standard last year. Lativius Murray was the 20th. Both of them only had 5 games where they wouldn't of ruined your fantasy week and one of Murray's was week 17. PPR smoothes that out. You're worst starter is no longer unplayable half the season or more.

If your aren't opposed to playing ppr, a fairly large contingent would rather play some form of ppr then "standard"(which is no longer standard ftr), then why not play ppr?

Also other Ringer media that completely irrelevant to the discussion, Bill Simmons posted a twitter poll of what's better, PPR or standard, and 60-something percent said ppr. So let's not bring The Ringer into this.
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Post Post #176  (isolation #16)  » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:36 am

In post 173, D3f3nd3r wrote:
In post 165, mith wrote:
In post 161, PokerFace wrote:By the way, how we picking draft order. What luke gonna do for this mith?


I'll be doing something with Luke on Saturday (probably after his nap, since I'll have to get ready for Auction before his nap). Dunno what yet. I'll have to get a little more creative, since we have different league sizes.


Just have him "order" 12 things and have two of them be arbitrary for the ten-man leagues.


this is my least favorite thing cause i remember hating your kid for like...11 minutes last year and i felt very bad about it
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Post Post #192  (isolation #17)  » Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:37 pm

Fitting.

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Post Post #194  (isolation #18)  » Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:54 pm

Did you expect me to pass that joke up or....?
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Post Post #197  (isolation #19)  » Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:11 pm

In post 195, Nero Cain wrote:My fault for expecting maturity.


But you can't take a joke tho?
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Post Post #208  (isolation #20)  » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:11 pm

@mith, you missed me as dory for league 3.
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Post Post #217  (isolation #21)  » Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:41 pm

In post 212, mith wrote:Let's say if you are in L3 as a dupe you can't pick for that league.


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Post Post #227  (isolation #22)  » Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:10 pm

At least my league 3 pick isn't god awful. Definitely no more kid picks next year please. I somehow always end up with the 7th/8th pick when we do these dumb games like this and fucking marble madness.
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Post Post #230  (isolation #23)  » Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:46 pm

It's not fun though. And it's never been fun. It's this try hard way to make it quirky. I don't watch the videos, I think it's garbage. But whatever, it just sounds like sour grapes about a bad pick but I'd much rather hit random draft order than do some bullshit random game that no one actually cares about that seems to spit out virtually the same order every year.
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Post Post #231  (isolation #24)  » Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:50 pm

Like idk, I guess I should of been less passive aggressive about it before hand and just straight up say "I fucking hate this, don't do it this way"
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Post Post #247  (isolation #25)  » Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:48 am

I guess I'm not in league 3 then.
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Post Post #249  (isolation #26)  » Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:30 pm

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Post Post #262  (isolation #27)  » Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:26 pm

I did way more prep then necessary considering I'm only doing this league before I devote myself to a superior format for the year.
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Post Post #265  (isolation #28)  » Thu Aug 23, 2018 4:11 pm

In post 263, D3f3nd3r wrote:Your four-team league you mean?


Daily. The one-true-format.
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Post Post #267  (isolation #29)  » Thu Aug 23, 2018 4:27 pm

if you think that you're not doing it right. I haven't spent a dollar in DFS in 3 years.
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Post Post #272  (isolation #30)  » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:41 pm

In post 268, D3f3nd3r wrote:What do you do then? Or did you just win really big three years ago and haven’t needed to spend since?


Win as much as you lose. Just like any other forms of gambling. A smart 20 bucks can stretch a long way. I put in 20, took it out when I hit 50, now I hover anywhere between 10-30 bucks all on draft kings dime. I play NBA, MMA, and NFL.

Nero Cain wrote:Why is daily a better format?


For the same reason the auction people say "Auction > Snake"
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Post Post #276  (isolation #31)  » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:56 am

Wait...does that mean we are ppr? Or is it going to be adjusted to non-ppr?
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Post Post #278  (isolation #32)  » Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:17 am

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Post Post #281  (isolation #33)  » Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:33 am

In post 279, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 272, Panzerjager wrote:For the same reason the auction people say "Auction > Snake"

I don't think I ever said this and if I did then I'm about to slightly backtrack. I don't think either is "better" its just different strats. I mean, with a snake draft you just take the best available and drafting usually sticks to a pre-determined order you can maybe plan ahead better than an auction. You could maybe argue that auction involves a little more skill b/c you aren't guaranteed the top tier players like you are in snake and you have to make do with less. It's pretty similar to daily I guess since you have the X budget to do your roster with.


Didn't necessarily mean specifically you.

A lot of fantasy football media guy (Matt Berry and Bill Simmons can be easy examples here) view auction as the better test of skill because "everyone has a chance at everyone". So if you follow that logic to its natural conclusion, Daily is the biggest test of skill in fantasy football because everyone has a shot at everyone, every week.

In practice, it's slightly flawed if you play the big multi-entry tournaments(i.e Draft King's famous "Millionaire Maker") it's actually not much different from a lottery. Top guys typically a buy in for max tickets and enter a bunch of different line ups, typically using some kind of algorithm based on performance/cost that will spit out a pile of different line ups (some will build their own, some will pay for a commercial one). But it's honestly just similar to guys using top tier adp auction sheets/snake sheets, so it's all what you're willing to put up with, but you can avoid most of the real "sharks" if you stick to low money or single entry options. Also, the low price cash games like 50/50s, double ups, and even some 3/5 player stuff.

Tl;dr: if you think auction is superior to snake because everyone can take anyone, than daily is usually strictly better at that.
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Post Post #295  (isolation #34)  » Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:04 pm

Lol
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Post Post #338  (isolation #35)  » Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:47 pm

Because Breida is coming back from shoulder injury. It'll likely be a split with Breida on top once he's full back from the shoulder.
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Post Post #344  (isolation #36)  » Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:59 pm

The worst part about this bell thing is his O-line (and the Steelers' player union rep) is publicly harassing him via the media for holding out for money. Steelers need a new union rep.
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Post Post #355  (isolation #37)  » Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:13 pm

It's not your optimal line up if it doesn't fit in your roster.
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Post Post #357  (isolation #38)  » Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:31 pm

1. Why'd you play Rishard Matthew you dip shit?
2. Why'd you not start Conner over Howard when all the news on that game was how shitty the weather was going to be?
3. WHY DO YOU EVEN HAVE RISHARD MATTHEWS ON YOUR TEAM!?.
4. Line up didn't lose you the game, you did.
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Post Post #359  (isolation #39)  » Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:37 pm

I'd rather have PPR then a flex. Also I'd rather people actually play well and start good players instead of bitch about that they can't win because they don't have a flex(considering it was very easy to tell that Conner should of been in over Howard and you were starting a garbo 3rd wide out.).
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Post Post #364  (isolation #40)  » Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:16 pm

it's not even a draft issue. It's a "I lucked out on Waiver Wire to get a Hold-outs back up and it's not fair I don't get to play him AND Jordan Howard" issue.

And it's like...welp...maybe you shouldn't start RISHARD FUCKING MATTHEWS
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Post Post #375  (isolation #41)  » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:02 am

Pass catching rbs are *already* fantasy relevant(Todd Gurley was one of the best pass catching backs in the league. Alvin kamara. Etc.
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Post Post #385  (isolation #42)  » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:52 pm

In post 380, BROseidon wrote:Like by your logic you should make QB passing yards worth the same as rushing (same with TDs). There's a reason Cam is a top 5 fantasy QB but not even in the top 1/2 of QBs in the league in terms of actual value to his team.


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Post Post #386  (isolation #43)  » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:56 pm

In post 376, Rob14 wrote:You just named two elite RBs who can also run the ball. Sure, if you're a Gurley or a Bell or a Kamara, you can be extremely fantasy relevant as a pass-catching back who can also run the ball. But people like Riddick or Sproles are as good as non-pass-catching RB2s in terms of how they benefit their teams, and they don't get similar numbers in non-PPR.


that was my point. The best guys at it are already the best ball-runners too. And the guys who are pass-catching only, don't really become THAT relevant. For example, Chris Thompson is *already* fantasy relevant without ppr.
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Post Post #387  (isolation #44)  » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:01 pm

In post 378, mith wrote:The other issue, which was already discussed earlier in the thread, is that it's easy to say "look how much more this player I think is awesome is worth if I give him PPR", but the value to a fantasy team is relative to others at the position. Your hypothetical Kamara-who-can't-run is worth about the same in PPR relative to Gurley, for example (basically, Gurley would have been even more of a dominant number 1 last year). Fakamara would of course be drafted higher in PPR than in non-PPR, but at the expense of hypothetical guy-who-can't-catch that put up 826 yards rushing and 5 TDs. PPR does, obviously, enhance the value of certain players, but hurts others, and doesn't do a whole lot to the overall "balance" of the draft (in terms of positions taken and size of tiers) outside maybe shifting WR1s up the overall board.


Less dominant #1 tho..60 pts vs 80. and the middle of the Board wrs(such as WR 3s) start to be worth as much as RB2s. So if you PPR AND Flex then you get the desire effect of having more wide receivers played and not having to sit your 5th best player cause RB 3 is gonna score as many or more pts as your wr3.
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Post Post #389  (isolation #45)  » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:01 pm

Are we really arguing that QBs need to be more valuable when I got almost 5 points for:
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Post Post #391  (isolation #46)  » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:15 pm

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Pristine Pass.

Mahomes also had 2 such TD "passes" this week.
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Post Post #392  (isolation #47)  » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:17 pm

In post 390, mith wrote:But what you're talking about (getting credit for short passes in the air which go for big gains after the catch)


Also this is not what I'm taking about. I'm talking about the Jet Sweep specifically which is going to turn a handful of "rush" attempts into "pass" attempts more and more as the year goes on.
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Post Post #397  (isolation #48)  » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:53 am

And socialism is great. So what's the issue?
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Post Post #448  (isolation #49)  » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:42 pm

Jameis is probably gonna start, despite the success.
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Post Post #451  (isolation #50)  » Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:15 pm

In post 449, Kmd4390 wrote:
In post 448, Panzerjager wrote:Jameis is probably gonna start, despite the success.


We should avatar bet on it


I juse want him to drop fitz.
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Post Post #459  (isolation #51)  » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:31 pm

In post 457, PokerFace wrote:Meh, I think Andy and Fitz will still be good this week. You really can't fault yourself this early until you see how well your alternative to Cousins plays. I think only way you can fault yourself is if you are against Goff or didn't start Goff

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Post Post #462  (isolation #52)  » Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:48 am

Told you

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Post Post #464  (isolation #53)  » Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:07 am

I think it's less that Tepper is good and more that the Bills are doing really bad tank job
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Post Post #485  (isolation #54)  » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:43 am

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Post Post #498  (isolation #55)  » Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:23 am

In post 496, Kmd4390 wrote:My matchups in all four of my leagues will be decided by tonight's game.


I'm in one of your leagues, and I'd call this an exaggeration.
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Post Post #505  (isolation #56)  » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:57 pm

Poor brenda
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Post Post #519  (isolation #57)  » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:21 pm

I've always loved you, Odell.
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Post Post #524  (isolation #58)  » Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:14 am

In post 521, Rob14 wrote:I can't wait for next year when we get a video of Luke and Zoe fighting to the death to see who gets to pick the draft order.


And I'll still get the 8th pick =(.

Also no more baby vids please. Just hit random.
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Post Post #542  (isolation #59)  » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:59 am

Does each division winner get a 1 seed or is it straight 1-6.
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Post Post #544  (isolation #60)  » Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:41 am

Yeah, dom picked up ware like 4 hours before hunt got put on exempt list.
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Post Post #547  (isolation #61)  » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:23 pm

i guess easiest thing is just win, but t-bone losing would make me feel better. It def feels like he's half way there
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Post Post #555  (isolation #62)  » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:00 pm

Looks like everyone in playoff picture got an L today
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Post Post #558  (isolation #63)  » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:51 am

Lmao..is that the guy from yowapedal?
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Post Post #559  (isolation #64)  » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:55 am

Also..I think I'm rooting for ertz to score like..7 points tonight. And for Reed to score 8?
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Post Post #564  (isolation #65)  » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:06 am

t-bone less than a point short =(
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Post Post #566  (isolation #66)  » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:54 pm

No idea. All I know is I need to win only 1 of my next two games. Other than. That who cares.
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Post Post #569  (isolation #67)  » Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:01 pm

I hit 160 in one of my games against Defender. Also hit mid 80s a few times and all 4 of my losses were considered blowouts.
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Post Post #587  (isolation #68)  » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:40 am

Uh. He just told you. You dipshit.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hog ... n_football)
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Post Post #589  (isolation #69)  » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:19 am

Man, you can't read or make relevant insults? You're a winner. Your mom should kick you out of her basement.

(Why doesn't it surprise me that the racist is concerned about "race-baiting"?)
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Post Post #591  (isolation #70)  » Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:24 am

"I'm gonna be the bigger man and get the last word, ohohoho".

You wouldn't have to ask the question if you read his post. I wouldn't "try" to insult you(you're clearly insulted) if you weren't consistently wrong and racist about pretty much everything. You clearly don't understand what "race-baiting" is. But it's fine, I know you're a basement dweller. It's fine. Say whatever you need to say to make yourself feel better, or ya know...just learn to read and stop being so wrong and racist. I'm here for you, bud.
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Post Post #599  (isolation #71)  » Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:41 pm

In post 595, PokerFace wrote:
T-Bone wrote:1 point and I would have had a bye instead of this disaster...
1 more win like the one i should have got over Panzer


Lol, ur delusional
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Post Post #601  (isolation #72)  » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:00 pm

Hey guess what? I also started the wrong players. If we both "started the right players" I beat you by 20. You lose because you deserve to lose, bro.
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Post Post #606  (isolation #73)  » Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:39 am

I'd like to thank all the scrubs in league 2 for letting me get promoted
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Post Post #610  (isolation #74)  » Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:00 pm

Yes, thanks for my draft position where I traded or dropped all but 2 players of my draft.

Yes, thank yahoo for giving me the perfectly crafted schedule of dudes who can't pick the right players than cried about it.

Especially thank the guy who got Todd Gurley and was too dumb to scrap together more than 4 wins.
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Post Post #611  (isolation #75)  » Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:02 pm

Yes, thanks for my draft position where I traded or dropped all but 2 players of my draft.

Yes, thank yahoo for giving me the perfectly crafted schedule of dudes who can't pick the right players than cried about it.

Especially thank the guy who got Todd Gurley and was too dumb to scrap together more than 4 wins.
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Post Post #613  (isolation #76)  » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:50 am

And we were separated by 15 points over the course of 13 games because you couldn't capitalize on your advantage. Even if I had defenders schedule, I still would of made playoffs, and he failed to despite having Gurley and the bears. Goon city.

7 vs 8 is pretty huge cause it separated who got a top tier running back and who did not.

I also made a mistake that I shouldn't of, cause I wasnt doing it in mocks, but I went odb over Hopkins like a goof. Luckily I got value out of hilton/Mixon as well as trading julio.

KMD got hosed in the draft too, but he, like me, basically got his whole team on waivers/trades. He got hopkins, he got lucky on mahomes(even though he wasted a slot on watson (early too). Draft order is huge, but luckily for me, kmd, and dominator, the rest of you didn't do anything in waivers. Also on kmd being ahead of me, he's up there cause I'm a fucking idiot. I was ahead in waivers and took Sutton over Cooper. But it happens. Sometimes i a play bad. But the difference is most of you are goons that didn't stop anyone from picking up waivers.

6 running backs and the goon who always picks brown, so I'd say 1-6 are the best, in w/e order (just had pray you didn't get bell) then 7 (cause you probably got lucky and got a runner) then 8, 9 , 10 are all comparable. I think I like 10 more than 8. 8-9 similarly bad, and we both had to rebuild our entire team basically.
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Post Post #615  (isolation #77)  » Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:26 am

Did i say I would of had a winning record? I would of had two more wins than you. The guy who has todd gurley.
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Post Post #617  (isolation #78)  » Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:00 pm

6 is way to many in a playoff. Also, you finished in 5th, so I'm sure you made some mistakes.
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Post Post #619  (isolation #79)  » Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:33 pm

Both were uncertain to be that good. And hunt is going to end up not a top 10 back.
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Post Post #621  (isolation #80)  » Mon Dec 24, 2018 4:55 am

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League 1: the true hero has returned.
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Post Post #625  (isolation #81)  » Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:55 am

In post 623, Kmd4390 wrote:Congrats Panzer. Great season.

Gg.
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Post Post #628  (isolation #82)  » Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:31 am

i won all the leagues
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